Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Southern Min written with Hanji

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Southern Min written with Hanji
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This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

Per phabricator:T165882, this is being handled as a namespace within Min-Nan Wikipedia. So a separate project is not necessary. StevenJ81 (talk) 08:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code nan-Hant (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Southern Min/ Hokkien Language name in English
Language name 閩南語 / 閩南语 Bân-lâm-gú Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q36495 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Southern Min
  • native label (P1705) = 閩南語, Bân-lâm-gú, 闽南语‎ (Minnanyu)
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language, modern language / Coastal Min languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = zh-min-nan, nan
  • writing system (P282) = Pe̍h-ōe-jī, Chinese characters, Taiwanese Hokkien recommended Han characters
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 48,339,200


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name 維基百科 "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace Wikipedia usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace Wikipedia talk "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
  • Speakers c. 50,000,000
  • Places spoken: Mainland China, Taiwan, Chinese communities of S.E. Asia (inc. Malaysia, Singapore).

Background[edit]

Southern Min is a Chinese language, originating in Fujian province. As with all Chinese languages it was primarily spoken until the 20th century, when the dominance of Classical Chinese as the written language was broken. Since this time, Southern Min, as have other Chinese languages, has developed as a written language.


Currently Southern Min suffers from digraphia, developing writing systems in Hanji and in romanisation (i.e. POJ, TLPA, Tai-lo). The vast majority of Southern Min speakers are educated to write using Han characters and most are not acquainted with the romanisation schemes, however, the lack of a standard character set has complicated writing in characters. This problem is being overcome by the development of a standard character set by the Taiwanese Ministry of Education.


As Southern Min is most often written with Han characters and the problems of lacking standard characters are being overcome, it seems appropriate to establish a Wikipedia in this language.

Arguments in favour[edit]

  1. Support. Such an important Chinese dialect should have a chinese character version. Abc root 01:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
  2. Support. - I believe marginalised written varieties should be given a chance here in Wikipedia.---`23prootie 09:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
  3. Support. Chinese character is the most traditional writing system of Ban-lam-gi or Tai-gi.S205643 (talk) 01:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

Other discussion[edit]

No valid ISO 639 language code ("nan" is used for zh-min-nan:), and a language written in more than one alphabets should use a conversion script. SPQRobin (inc!) 21:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I prefer to see it but it may face some problems while transcribing/transliterating place names or personal names from non-Chinese languages. Luuva 15:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Southern Min (閩南語) is actually identical with nan / zh-min-nan. I concur with SPQRobin. In this situation conversion script is preferred. --Aphaia 16:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Several months ago, the Request for Korean Wikipedia written in Hanja was rejected since it was not a new language. If you wish to write Southern Min in Hanji then please do so in Southern Min Wikipedia. --Jose77 05:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Why can the version of Simple English be established recently? Maybe it means whether a new language version isn't a big deal. Usefulness may be the main point, so we should try it.S205643 (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

@S205643: You can see what Pathoschild said under Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Simple_English_2. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:35, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I suppose something like Min Dong Wikipedia is possible, i.e. having both script in same Wikipedia?C933103 (talk) 19:20, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
If/as the writing system isn't part of the ISO 639-3 code, a corresponding code needs to be appended to it. At least for Wikidata, it is highly annoying to have two different writing systems at one wiki. --Jura1 (talk) 14:17, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Status of the Taiwanese extension of characters[edit]

Can someone inform us about the work done to extend the Hanji characterset by the Taiwanese ? Is this effort going into Unicode ?? Thanks, GerardM 11:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.