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submitted verification final decision

This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Language code shi (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Tachelhit Language name in English
Language name Taclḥit Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q34152 - item has currently the following values:
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Roman en tachlḥit, Institut Royal de la Culture Amazighe, Create en tfinagh, page of tachelhit on INALCO website, journal électronique amazigh en 04 langues, Linkportal with many Berber sites; Amadalamazigh.com, Ethnologue Report for Tashelhit, Vocabulaire grammatical, phonologie amazigh , Nouvel-gram-amazigh, lexique des medias, Dictionaire en ligne taclhit-tafransist, Tachelhit Lexicon, Petits Cours De Tachelhit (Wiki Amazigh), SUITES DE CONSONNES EN BERBERE CHLEUH: PHONETIQUE ET PHONOLOGIE, The loss of Negative Verb Morphology in tashlhit, Lexique-Francais-Tachelhit, Aṣṭṭa amaẓiɣ Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.

Project name Wikipidya "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace Wikipidya usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace Amsawal n Wikipidya "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-shi.svg This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Africa/Casablanca "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task. It will include everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings. After creating the task, add a link to the comment.


Automated statistics


There are :

   * 862 articles, categories, templates, and talk pages;
   * 90 redirects;
   * 46 editors (including any with at least one edit);
   * 4182 revisions (including 329 minor edits).

Dalinanir 21:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

   * 1096 articles, categories, templates, and talk pages;
   * 109 redirects;
   * 55 editors (including any with at least one edit);
   * 5984 revisions (including 405 minor edits).

-- 23:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

   * 1910 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects);
   * 137 editors;
   * 13101 edits.

Ayour2002 00:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • Support Tachelhit is a living language , with more than 8 million speaker in the south of Morocco with an important minorities in other countries like algeria france Netherlands and spain. and i believe that tachelhit wikipedia will be a real source of knowledges for the Chleuhs people. and it has a valid iso code (shi).--Zanatos11 14:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. There is already Kabyle Wikipedia. As tacelḥit speakers are larger than taqbaylit (kabyle) ones, I think it's reasonable to create this subproject. Of course, I suppose there are tacelḥit contributors :-) Ayadho 07:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Enough speakers, living. I believe this Wikipedia can run! --Markvondeegel 11:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'd advice you to go here, spread the word, I am confident that you'll be able to gather a strong community. Also, don't forget to create a test page in the incubator. Toira 16:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Tachelhit is the mother tongue for more than 8 million of people in Morocco, while Icelandic is only spoken by less than 1 million. So why we don't create a tachelhit Wikipedia, when we have an Icelandic one?? Sympatico 23:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • eventho i would prefer to make a Wikipedia for the standard Tamazight, this would be good too, i can't speak Tamazight right now but i would like to found a Wikipedia in Tamazight when I'll learn it(and i will) so I can read and contribute in the great language of our great ancestors, a language that witnessed 5000 years of great civilization(for that racist islamist below me that is way before arabs even existed).
  • support of course, sounds like a beautiful languageQrc2006 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Willy2000 13:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • support of course j' ai contribue de temps en temps et je supporte bien sûr. Anonyme ..novembre 2010
  • support of course I support this project. Tachelhit language is one of the languages most spoken throughout Morocco. It is a beautiful language. Imazighnes Soussi of the world in need of an encyclopedia. This language has a literary oral and written important. Poetry, nice music, theater and fine arts. This culture gives a tremendous value added to the Amazigh civilization north of Africa. Currently this language is protected and developed by the Royal Institute for Cultural amazigh. Dalinanir 10:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • support of course There are enough articles and speakers.Kaiyr 21:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support and I encouraged of course. Is the language that many people talking. It is also the most talked about everything Amazigh languages around the world. The number of speakers of that language is larger than that given officially. In Morocco they speak strongly tachelhit and there are thousands of Amazigh associations that struggling against discrimination against the language Maryana 09:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support language Tachelhit is the variety of Tamazight most spoken and less Arabized compared to all the varieties of Tamazight spoken in Morocco. Were created wikipedia in dialects spoken by 10 000 people and it seems only right to create a wikipedia to a language spoken by more than 8000 000. --Muhand Umhand (msg) 09:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Support': Natives speakers of Tachelhit have the competency and willingness to contribute to this project in the long-term. Hence the Tachelhit language deserves to be given the opportunity and priviledge to have its own language edition of Wikipedia along with the existing Berber languages such as Kabyle. --Jose77 03:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • support of course Tachelhit, like other Berber languages, a vast body of oral literature in a wide variety and all kinds. Il icfln 09:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support Wikipedia taclhit, is the variety of berber spoken more also has a wealth of literature, oral and written. --Brahim Taglgult 15:49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support Wikipedia in taclhit. --Hemmu Uhmad 15:29, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support this new Wikipedia. --Marrovi 03:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, for a reason Tachelhit speakers are the ones who pushed the tifinagh alphabet to be revived. Tifinagh is the alphabet of all Berber languages, and fits much better than a latin alphabet that the kabyles insist on using. Tachelhit is more of a standard Berber than Kabyle, because more speakers from Central Morocco and The Riff, as well as the Libyans, can understand Tachelhit more than Kabyle, which possesses many Arabic loan roots. 21:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support:Lhossine 15:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Tachelhit language is the mother tongue for more than 8 million of people in Morocco. --Ayour2002 11:51, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against[edit]

  • Oppose: virtually inactive; see here. SF-Language 16:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: you guys are not gonna make it, instead of creating new languages try to improve the arabic one first, there is so much work to do on it, personally I don't speak Tamazight, some members of my family do, and all the ones who speak Tamazight never heard of wikipedia, or even internet, regardless that they have no clue about those brand-new characters, but most of them, have studied Arabic, and understand it more than Tamazight itself, and how on the world they let them create Egyptian wikipedia ? they use almost the same arabic words, the purpose of the Egyptian(arz) wikipedia is to say that we made it, most of the articles are literally copied from Arabic, with a little modification, and 99% of the articles, have only the introduction, so I think that Tamazight will be just another fail like the arz ! Open your minds, and stop politics. and finally what will be the difference between the already approved kab wiki ? and about your test page, I don't see a test page, I see a copy of the italian wikipedia homepage, with pictures missing ... is that the new language ?-- 12:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tamazight has nothing to do with Arabic or French. is totally independent. should not it is opposed by racism to other things .. you should look for other excuses .. Everyone knows you do your best. to deter gents .. I advise you to meddle at your wikipedia. We all contributed to wikipedia without stories.. 17:34, 31 november 2010 (UTC)
  • Amother faschistic arabo-muslim showing his hate and ignorance. BTW, nothing prooves that these north africans didnt speak tamazight (which is much more logical because 99% of the population spoke only tamazight at that time). There is no one more anti-islamic than these faschsitic arabs, who turn ridiculusly Allah to an arab-speaking god and arab-traditions and interest protecting god, while He is soppused to be Universal, Fair and not having any human characteristics, including language and culture. Concerning the french colonization anti-islamic propaganda, first imazighen were proud of their culture much before any foreign atempts to use it again north africans, and they didn't cooperate with France as most of the resitance was not in the "Arab" cities (in reality arabic-speaking and not arab arabs), but rather in the country side and mountains (mostly tamazight speaking). Let's not forget that most of the arab-speaking aristocracy were indeed ferench and spanish colaborators. I don't think that the so called "arabs" in Tamazgha(who anyway have 0% pride in their north africanism, not to be confused with arabophone north africans who don't identify with this artificial and imperialistic/pseudo-elites arab identity) have any right for any opinions concerning us, northwest africans, wether we speak tamazigh, darija, or don't speak at all. Just take care of your REAL arabic (middle eastern) businesses. Or you shouldn't: real arabic civilization deserves some one better, smarter, more human than you, not fasichtic supremacist borgs.
  • It is not nice to show such ignorance. GerardM 16:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: The Atlas Tamazight (tzm), Tachelhit (shi) and Tarifit (rif) can coexist on the standard Amazigh language (zgh) Wikipedia. In addition, the project has a chance of success more than others (+800 articles in incubator Wp/zgh) and it is better to focus on one project rather than dispersion of efforts in various projects. the differences between (tzm, shi, and rif) is phonological rather than syntactic, and they share the same vocabulary and grammar. (zgh) was developed by the Royal Institute of Amazigh Culture in 2003 for its integration in the educational system & everybody now studies (zgh) in primary schools.--A. SADIQUI (Talk) 13:19, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SADIQUI: You're wrong, Shilha community requires script converter between Latin and Tifinagh, can zgh provide such thing? Actually nope. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226:, what are you talking about? If the comunity wants a script converter then why not?--SADIQUI (Talk) 23:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@StevenJ81: What's your thinking of this user's comments? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:07, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SADIQUI: Actually the standard Amazigh language (zgh) is different from Tachelhit (shi), The tachelhit is the amazigh language spoken in the south of Morocco and has its own particularity, the standard Amazigh language(zgh) is of course the standarised form of the (rif),(tmz) and (shi) and this standarised form is hard to understand for a native tachelhit speaker if he did not learn it at school, and as we know the learning of tamazight in morocco is not as expected; only few primary school has tamazight teaching and this made the standard Amazigh language(zgh) a language spoken only by few people that had learned it at university. There is nothing bad to tachelhit wikipedia to be added, We do have Wikipedia in Arabic ( the standarised form ) and Wikipedia in Moroccan arabic and Misri. having a standarised form is not an argument to delete the Tachelhit wikipedia --Ayour2002 12:20 , 02 October 2020 (UTC)

General discussion[edit]

Liuxinyu970226 Dont worry about that, the localisation will be fixed as soon as possible, we are also in touch with Amir, he will help us fix the script convertor problem. Thanks for your note Ayour2002 (talk) 19:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Former votes in favor[edit]

These votes predate the implementation of the language proposal policy, so many of them don't provide arguments or reasoning.

Other relevant proposals[edit]

Localisation update[edit]

Currently the localisation of the Most often used messages for Tachelhit is at 0.40%. This needs to be at 100% to fulfill the requirements for a new project. These statistics are seen at BetaWiki. Thanks, GerardM 08:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Currently 11.04% of the most used messages have been localised. GerardM 07:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Namespace translations[edit]

Proposed Logo for Wikipedia Tachelhit
ns: English Tachelhit
-2 Media Midya
-1 Special Amẓli
0 (main) (adslan)
1 Talk Amsawal
2 User Asmras
3 User talk Amsawal n usmras
4 Wikipedia Wikipidya
5 Wikipedia talk Amsawal n Wikipidya
6 File Afaylu
7 File talk Amsawal n ufaylu
8 MediaWiki Midyawiki
9 MediaWiki talk Amsawal n Midyawiki
10 Template Talɣa
11 Template talk Amsawal n talɣa
12 Help Tiwisi
13 Help talk Amsawal n twisi
14 Category Taggayt
15 Category talk Amsawal n taggayt
828 Module Tamyiwnt
829 Module talk Amsawal n tmyiwnt
2300 Gadget Asmmawd
2301 Gadget talk Amsawal n usmmawd
2302 Gadget definition Asnml n usmmawd
2303 Gadget definition talk Amsawal n usnml n usmmawd
@Ayour2002: There are some new namespaces available for new wikis, how should they be translated to shi? Also, are the de facto translations above still correct? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Standard Moroccan Amazigh (zgh)[edit]

Please, take a look at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Moroccan Amazigh and discuss there about the possibility to create a Unified Moroccan Amazigh Wikipedia. You can also participate in incubator Wp/zgh.--SADIQUI (Talk) 13:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]