Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Yawi

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Yawi (Pattani Malay) Wikipedia[edit]

main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Yawi
submitted verification final decision
Applications-system.svg This language has been verified as eligible.
The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page.

Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval, will verify the test project content with a reliable neutral source, such as a professor or expert and notify the Board of Trustees for a possible veto.

If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.

  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code mfa (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Pattani Malay Language name in English
Language name ภาษายาวี / بهاس جاوي Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q1199751 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Pattani Malay
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language / Malayic languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) = Latin script, Arabic alphabet
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 1,000,000
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name ويكيفيديا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Continent/City "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal[edit]

  • Speakers: ~ 3,100,000
  • Location(s) spoken: South Thai, Malaysia, Brunei.

Replace this text with your opening argument in favour of the new project. You can also refer to external documentation or websites. Sign your request by ending your statement with: --Thulee mann (talk) 07:56, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Arguments in favour[edit]

  1. Support It is up to the original language is Malay. This writing was first introduced when islam arrived in Malacca state in 1400 more. Yawi and Rumi also different writing.Aplikasi 05:27, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
  2. Support --Pitpisit (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

General discussion[edit]

Why don't we combine this Yawi project into Wikipedia Malay by creating a conversion script? I think it is much more easier, doesn't it? Even Yawi and Rumi are different from script, but I think that the spoken language is still the same, which is Malay language.--5662595lai (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, there's toolforge:jawi available. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:44, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Pattani Malay is different! --47.150.72.56 18:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: By the way, Yawi or Jawi language =/= Jawi script. Yawi/Jawi is the name given to Kelantan-Pattani Malay spoken in northwestern Malaysia and southern Thailand, while Jawi script is a writing system used by various Austronesian languages in South East Asia. I agree that it is much better for Malay Wikipedia to accommodate Jawi by a tool to convert its script, but the same thing can't be said for Kelantan-Pattani Malay. Kelantan-Pattani Malay is the most divergent of all Malay dialects, and it is hardly intelligible with the speakers of Standard Malay -- as a comparison, Banjar (which already has its own Wikipedia) is much more comprehensible for Standard Malay speaker compared to Yawi/Jawi. Masjawad99 (talk) 22:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Masjawad99: I doubt if there's really no way for Malay Wikipedia to have a Latin-Arabic converter, rather than randomly pick up a code for just another script of a language. How is this fair even for yourself? How can't this follow how Kurmanci Kurdish Wikipedia works? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:04, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Umm, was my comment unclear? I meant that Kelantan-Pattani/Yawi and Jawi are two different things. The first is a language/dialect (which can be written in any script), while the second is a writing system. I commented because it seems like you and other people here are misled by believing they are the same thing (even Wikipedia Tulisan Jawi is merged here). I did say above that a script converter would be possible; in fact I think that that is a good idea! I just want to clarify that this Yawi Wikipedia request is something else entirely. Masjawad99 (talk) 08:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Wait, nevermind. I am confused. It seems like the people who created the articles in this project have actually thought this is the Jawi (the script) version of Malay Wikipedia. Masjawad99 (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2019 (UTC)