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Yawi (Pattani Malay) Wikipedia

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Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Yawi

​ submitted verification final decision This language has been verified as eligible. The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval and will verify the test project content with a reliable neutral source, such as a professor or expert. If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.

• The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
• The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
• The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	mfa (SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Pattani Malay	Language name in English
Language name	بهاس جاوي	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item	Q1199751 - item has currently the following values: English label: Kelantan-Pattani Malay native label (P1705): instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279): language, modern language, dialect / Malayic Wikimedia language code (P424): writing system (P282): Latin script, Arabic alphabet number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098): 1,000,000	Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	RTL	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links		Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	mfa.wikipedia.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name	ويكيفيديا	"Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace		usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace		"Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	no	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo		This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	Continent/City	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces		For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task. It will include everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings. After creating the task, add a link to the comment.

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Proposal

• Speakers: ~ 3,100,000
• Location(s) spoken: South Thai, Malaysia, Brunei.

Replace this text with your opening argument in favour of the new project. You can also refer to external documentation or websites. Sign your request by ending your statement with: --Thulee mann (talk) 07:56, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

merged from Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Tuisan Jawi
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
'Tulisan Jawi'(Jawi alphabet)is an Arabic alphabet adapted for writing the Malay language. It was used before using Latin alphabet to write Malay language.Jawi is an official script of Brunei today. The word 'alphabet' is added to differentiate with 'Jawi language'. Refer:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawi_alphabet --快樂雪魚 (talk) 17:56, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

Arguments in favour

1. Support It is up to the original language is Malay. This writing was first introduced when islam arrived in Malacca state in 1400 more. Yawi and Rumi also different writing.Aplikasi 05:27, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
2. Support --Pitpisit (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
3. Support I support for Pattani Malay language as an official language with Wikipedia. There is a large number of Pattani Malay language speakers, known as Yawi language for Thai people, across southern Thailand and Northern region in Malaysia. Pattani Malay language and Jawi alphabet reflect prosperity of Patani people in many aspects. As Thai people, I strongly believe that Pattani Malay Wikipedia will reflect Pattani identity and cultural in the deep south region, which fall under violence condition for a long time. --Pluto p (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Arguments against

Strong oppose These language isn't even valid. If it refers to Malay language, then the Malay Wikipedia already exist, no need excessive Wikipedia for the same language. (Dirk Gret (talk) 12:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC))

General discussion

Why don't we combine this Yawi project into Wikipedia Malay by creating a conversion script? I think it is much more easier, doesn't it? Even Yawi and Rumi are different from script, but I think that the spoken language is still the same, which is Malay language.--5662595lai (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, there's toolforge:jawi available. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:44, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Pattani Malay is different! --47.150.72.56 18:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: By the way, Yawi or Jawi language =/= Jawi script. Yawi/Jawi is the name given to Kelantan-Pattani Malay spoken in northwestern Malaysia and southern Thailand, while Jawi script is a writing system used by various Austronesian languages in South East Asia. I agree that it is much better for Malay Wikipedia to accommodate Jawi by a tool to convert its script, but the same thing can't be said for Kelantan-Pattani Malay. Kelantan-Pattani Malay is the most divergent of all Malay dialects, and it is hardly intelligible with the speakers of Standard Malay -- as a comparison, Banjar (which already has its own Wikipedia) is much more comprehensible for Standard Malay speaker compared to Yawi/Jawi. Masjawad99 (talk) 22:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Masjawad99: I doubt if there's really no way for Malay Wikipedia to have a Latin-Arabic converter, rather than randomly pick up a code for just another script of a language. How is this fair even for yourself? How can't this follow how Kurmanci Kurdish Wikipedia works? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:04, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Umm, was my comment unclear? I meant that Kelantan-Pattani/Yawi and Jawi are two different things. The first is a language/dialect (which can be written in any script), while the second is a writing system. I commented because it seems like you and other people here are misled by believing they are the same thing (even Wikipedia Tulisan Jawi is merged here). I did say above that a script converter would be possible; in fact I think that that is a good idea! I just want to clarify that this Yawi Wikipedia request is something else entirely. Masjawad99 (talk) 08:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Wait, nevermind. I am confused. It seems like the people who created the articles in this project have actually thought this is the Jawi (the script) version of Malay Wikipedia. Masjawad99 (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2019 (UTC)