Requests for new languages/Wikisource Cantonese

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikisource Cantonese
submitted verification final decision
Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code yue (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Cantonese Language name in English
Language name 粵語 Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q7033959 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Yue Chinese
  • native label (P1705) = 粵語, 粤语, 粵語‎ (Yuht Yúh)
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language, tonal language, modern language / Chinese, Sinitic languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = zh-yue, yue
  • writing system (P282) = Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, written Cantonese, Cantonese Braille
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 62,221,560


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name 維基文庫 "Wikisource" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikisource talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Continent/City "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)


Proposal[edit]

Cantonese, or Yue Chinese, is a Sinitic language spoken by about 84 million people. There is a Cantonese Wikipedia with a very active community. I believe that the community is willing to develop a Wikisource project by translating classic works in Literary Chinese or Modern Standard Chinese. --Jonashtand (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Comment Comment I'm not sure what value there is in opening requests for Wikisources before the oldwikisource page is clearly demanding of a new domain. Go, transcribe and translate there.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    • User:Prosfilaes: Do you mean all proposals for new Wikisource sites are put on hold? And why? Deryck C. 12:44, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
      • I mean that all proposals are on hold until they have a successful test project, and Wikisources don't need permission to create a test project. So instead of creating a proposal here now, create a proposal after the need for a new Wikisource can be clearly shown.--Prosfilaes (talk) 16:44, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment Something confused, FWIW, in Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Literary_Chinese, @Deryck Chan: said that "I'm not sure what you mean by "test project" - I don't seem to see an Incubator project for Cantonese Wikisource? ... That's the Cantonese landing page for the Multilingual Wikisource, not a proposal for a standalone "Cantonese Wikisource" site. I don't think anything needs to be "closed" in regards to the coverage of Cantonese texts by Wiktionary, though I can see arguments about which site we should host Cantonese texts in ...", I need to know that if this is a seroius Wikisource request or not. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    • I think that issue is specific to Kotava Wikipedia. Deryck C. 14:44, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Chinese Wikisource currently accepts Cantonese literature. But this proposal is slightly different: User:Jonashtand is proposing a new project for Cantonese so that editors can translate classical works into Cantonese. As such, I think the proposal is eligible but I'm personally neutral about it (because I won't have time to contribute to the project). Also I think the current leading database for open-copyright Cantonese literature and translations of classical literature into Cantonese is 粵典文庫. They use an open data licence though one could argue their licence isn't compatible with CC-BY-SA (I am not a lawyer) so I can see why someone might want to duplicate the effort on a WMF site. Deryck C. 12:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
    @Deryck Chan: Here's what Jusjih on zhwiki said: 主张粤语维基分别于中文维基,也表示粤语译音分别于中文译音? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:01, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
    • Indeed, that's the main use case of Cantonese Wikisource I can think of: translating source texts into Cantonese. Hence I agree this is a valid proposal, it's just that I won't have time to work on it. Deryck C. 13:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
  • As for me, I Support such a Wikisource. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)