Requests for new languages/Wikispecies Greek

submitted	verification	final decision

	This proposal has been rejected. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	el (SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Greek	Language name in English
Language name	Ελληνικά	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item	Q9129 - item has currently the following values: English label: Greek native label (P1705): ελληνική, νέα ελληνικά‎ instance of (P31)/subclass of (P279): language, modern language / Hellenic, Southern European language Wikimedia language code (P424): el writing system (P282): Greek alphabet number of speakers, writers, or signers (P1098): 13,100,000	Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	no indication	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links		Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	el.wikispecies.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name	Βικιείδη	"Wikispecies" in your language
Project namespace	Βικιείδη	usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace	Βικιπαίδεια Συζήτηση:Wikispecies (non- crafted)	"Wikispecies talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	no	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo	File:Wikispices-logo.svg	This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	Europe/Athens-Constantinople (Istanbul) GMT +02:00	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces		For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task. It will include everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings. After creating the task, add a link to the comment.

To Incubator[edit]

Here is the main page of the incubated Greek wikispecies.

If someone can move the page to "Wsp/el/Κύρια σελίδα." If not please don't delete it. Somewhere should be incubated.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 07:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal[edit]

The Greek language is the richest (in words) of the world. She has the most linguistic sounds. We need a Greek version of Wikispecies. Let something pioneering the Greek language. Since there is already English version why not begin to be issued in other languages? So far there is only the English version.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support[edit]

--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 15:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose[edit]

Gts-tg (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
species: is a multi-lingual project, like c: and d:. If you would like to add Greek content, please do through the mw:Translate Extension and by suggesting edits to species:Wikispecies:Localization (we don't presently have Greek, but we could!) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There is no "English version of Wikispecies". The proponent has made no edits to Wikispecies, but would be welcome to do so, as Koavf explains. Here, for example is the addition of a vernacular name in Greek. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:09, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
--Murma174 (talk) 22:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Νeutral[edit]

billinghurst sDrewth 14:08, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion Area[edit]

Since the Translate extension is installed on species, why don't we just use species:Special:LanguageStats?language=el? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:11, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Liuxinyu970226 Simply because there is no separate project in respect of any language? So it will be better. If so go to become the same in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, etc.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 11:16, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ρητά και παροιμίες: You can see why Requests for new languages/Wikispecies Simple English and Requests for new languages/Wikispecies Macedonian are rejected, best regards. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:24, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Liuxinyu970226:Thanks. The same happens with the ancient Greek Wikipedia. This is the fourth time that it has been requested. Take position you support or oppose effort?--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 11:29, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
From what I see both requests made before about eight years. It may now be something different. Four years after the creation of wikispecies made requests. Now place twelve years after the creation.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 11:37, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The ancient Greek (grc) proposal has absolutely nothing to do and nothing in common with this proposal, please lets not confuse the issues. Gts-tg (talk) 16:56, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The richness of a language is not a reason to start a version of another wiki. Wikispecies has no other languages, and one could see that the translation system in place, and the use of infoboxes from Wikidata is a means to better create items. Using a front page link as example from Wikispecies it links to species:Hylobates agilis and that page could easily be presented using translate functionality. Another new wiki does not seem to be the way to proceed, especially on the premise proposed. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:08, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Billinghurst: what is the evil of the case? To say that is Knowledge database eg wikidata or venture of the system so you do not need new venture. I know that does not play a role but It is an electronic encyclopedia about animals. I think there must be in other languages. And why only in English?--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Against I don't see any point for a separate wikispecies in any language, as long as Wikispecies provides support for different languages within itself. Wikispecies is a specialised directory containing the same set of items with the same properties, not a much more general encyclopedia that could merit the creation of a new instance based on a different language. Gts-tg (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gts-tg then merge all Wikipedias and provides a Wikipedia other languages so that it is and wikispecies.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 17:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Koavf instead of translating can not have a project for each language and not a single. We can! They can be issued also in other languages.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 07:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Koavf I know that is multilingual project but has no relation to the commons and wikidata. The commons are shared media storage and wikidata is knowledge database while wikispecies is list all species and encyclopedia for species.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 08:03, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ρητά και παροιμίες: Wikispecies is not an encyclopedia, so its content is supposed to be language-neutral. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:13, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Koavf the wikispecies provide information about all the species on the planet Earth. There are elderly people who do not know English there are untranslated or semi translated pages.He will not understand anything or will not get into trouble to search the Greek , Bulgarian , Turkish matches from the English page . To change the default language (which of course is English ) must be entered . Older people do not know of such. If there were Greek , German , Turkish would be much easier for the elderly. He googling Βκιείδη would seek in Βικιείδη what they wanted and would end. Chuck bam !--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 08:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've copied the incubator page above to species:Main_Page/el as a starter; it obviously needs more work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:23, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Pigsonthewing, I know. I want to be. To be created the English, Greek version etc. That would be best. Why there is the English monopoly. Not the board game monopoly. Monopoly.--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 13:23, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Pigsonthewing PS Thank you! Can become and this--Sayings and proverbs (talk) 13:27, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Non-admin closure[edit]

Global block See here. User also did not fundamentally understand the multi-lingual nature of Wikispecies. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:03, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]