Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Persian

submitted	verification	final decision

	This proposal has been approved. The language committee has deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project. A committee member provided the following comment: Approved, see bug 71382. --MF-W 14:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:

What	Value	Example / Explanation

Proposal
Language code	fa (SIL, Glottolog)	A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name	Persian	Language name in English
Language name	فارسی	Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item		Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality	no indication	Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links		Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL	fa.wikivoyage.org	langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name	ویکی‌سفر	"Wikivoyage" in your language
Project namespace	ویکی‌سفر	usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace	بحث_ویکی‌سفر	"Wikivoyage talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads	no	Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin"). Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo	File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-fa.svg	This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone	UTC	"Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces	عبارت‌نامه: (Phrasebook:) بحث_عبارت‌نامه: (Pharsebook_talk:)	For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings		Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal summary
Language details: Persian (فارسی, fa) Editing community: Reza1615 (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply] List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language. Relevant pages: fa.wikivoyage.org - test project at beta External links:
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Situation

What to do

Arguments in favour

Reza1615 (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
AliReza (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Calak (talk) 23:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Javad (talk) 11:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly support this project. Just setup it as an independent wiki [in test] to see what interesting work we can do on it. Iran doesn't have a lot foreign tourist (due Iran limitations and foreign policies) but travelling inside the country is very common, so a complete reference in Persian is really needed and is really easy for us to fill the wiki it with enough information. You must aware on RTL wiki is really hard to maintain on incubator so don't really count on great progresses on incubator. --ebraminio^talk 14:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
:)Mahdi ^talk 17:57, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly support this project because of the rate of travels in Persian countries (Iran, and Afghanistan) is so high that people constantly need this kind of guidance. we already started talking to some people for text-donating in Persian WikivoyageAmir (talk) 11:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I wholeheartedly support it. --Ταπυροι (گپ) 07:59, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Go through it. I'm on the way.Freshman404 (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support completely. --Z 12:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. -- Shervin Afshar (talk) 19:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support, let's get more travelers from and to the persian speaking region. --Ciphers (talk) 19:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against

Oppose Oppose Bodhdharma (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please, tell me your reason, thx.--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

General discussion

Just a question: When it will run?(I'm not so patient :)Freshman404 (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

here is our activity please active this project Yamaha5 (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the typography of the logo, the current font used has kerning issues (e.g. descender of و touching the dots of ی). Also, the curve on the descender of ر doesn't seem like an organic typographic characteristic for a website in Persian. Is there a preference for this font? Can we go for example with higher quality fonts like Traffic, Nassim, or Zar? --Shervin Afshar (talk) 19:13, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is Traffic (XM Traffic Bold, released under OFL, X Series fonts, made using Inkscape) which is used on the sign roads on Iran (the typeface that if you travel in Iran you will see a lot) and as a sans-serif font it is best matching to current English Wikivoyage logo typeface with similar weight while being relevant at the same time (we had this logo for matching with old Wikivoyage logo). --ebraminio^talk 07:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Settings

Hi all editors of Persian Wikivoyage,
prior to approval please check the settings in the table at the top of the page. E.g. I'm certain that the Project: namespace should not be called Wy/fa/ویکی‌سفر ;) Also the Phrasebook namespace needs a localised name for its Talk pages as well. --MF-W 11:41, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the ns to be the same as project name. -Shervin Afshar (talk) 19:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(editconflict)

Hi MF-W, here is some configurations I think would be useful:

Language code: fa
Site url: fa.wikivoyage.org
Project name (in native language): ویکی‌سفر
Project namespace (usually the same as the project name): ویکی‌سفر
Project talk namespace: بحث_ویکی‌سفر
Project logo: File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-fa.svg
Phrasebook namespace: عبارت‌نامه
Phrasebook talk namespace: بحث_عبارت‌نامه
Default project timezone: UTC (Iran is +3:30 and Afghanistan +4:30, so UTC would be better)

--ebraminio^talk 19:20, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about hard-coding "_" in namespaces strings which have space? Usually, for the scope strings (pages, sections, etc.) there is an auto-replacement from space to "_". -- Shervin Afshar (talk) 22:55, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Shervinafshar: AFAIK It doesn't matter system automatically replaces them for the database (" " to "_") or user front-end ("_" to " ") Amir (talk) 14:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right. But generally, the only places that " " is converted to "_" are in the database and in the URLs. So, although it might not make a difference, but it's better to avoid that in the configuration settings. --Shervin Afshar (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is really nothing serious but FYI _ is used over space on MediaWiki configurations. --ebraminio^talk 07:21, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I propose "زبانشناسی" for "pharasebook" namespace. Specifically it refers to "linguistics" but contextually it can be used to imply "getting familiar with a language".--Doostdar (talk) 14:54, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree, "زبان‌شناسی" hardly can imply "شناخت زبان" in reader mind at least IMO and a phrasebook can also be about just a dialect and not a language. "عبارت‌نامه" had already usage for this manner: [1] --ebraminio^talk 16:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I second what ebraminio mentioned and strongly disagree with using "زبانشناسی" for pharasebook. --Shervin Afshar (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The project was approved. I filed the bug for the creation of the wiki with the settings as they were now in the table. --MF-W 14:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]