Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Persian

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikivoyage Persian
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

Approved, see bug 71382. --MF-W 14:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code fa (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Persian Language name in English
Language name فارسی Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name ویکی‌سفر "Wikivoyage" in your language
Project namespace ویکی‌سفر usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace بحث_ویکی‌سفر "Wikivoyage talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-fa.svg 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone UTC "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces عبارت‌نامه: (Phrasebook:) بحث_عبارت‌نامه: (Pharsebook_talk:) For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal summary
  • Language details: Persian (فارسی, fa)
  • Editing community: Reza1615 (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
    List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your
    name if you are a native speaker of this language.
  • Relevant pages: fa.wikivoyage.org - test project at beta
  • External links:
Please read the handbook for requesters for help using this template correctly.

Situation[edit]

What to do[edit]

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • Reza1615 (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
  • AliReza (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Calak (talk) 23:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Javad (talk) 11:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I strongly support this project. Just setup it as an independent wiki [in test] to see what interesting work we can do on it. Iran doesn't have a lot foreign tourist (due Iran limitations and foreign policies) but travelling inside the country is very common, so a complete reference in Persian is really needed and is really easy for us to fill the wiki it with enough information. You must aware on RTL wiki is really hard to maintain on incubator so don't really count on great progresses on incubator. --ebraminiotalk 14:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • :)Mahdi talk 17:57, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I strongly support this project because of the rate of travels in Persian countries (Iran, and Afghanistan) is so high that people constantly need this kind of guidance. we already started talking to some people for text-donating in Persian WikivoyageAmir (talk) 11:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - I wholeheartedly support it. --Ταπυροι (گپ) 07:59, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Go through it. I'm on the way.Freshman404 (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support completely. --Z 12:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. -- Shervin Afshar (talk) 19:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, let's get more travelers from and to the persian speaking region. --Ciphers (talk) 19:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

Please, tell me your reason, thx.--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

General discussion[edit]

  • Just a question: When it will run?(I'm not so patient :)Freshman404 (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
here is our activity please active this project Yamaha5 (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Regarding the typography of the logo, the current font used has kerning issues (e.g. descender of و touching the dots of ی). Also, the curve on the descender of ر doesn't seem like an organic typographic characteristic for a website in Persian. Is there a preference for this font? Can we go for example with higher quality fonts like Traffic, Nassim, or Zar? --Shervin Afshar (talk) 19:13, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
    It is Traffic (XM Traffic Bold, released under OFL, X Series fonts, made using Inkscape) which is used on the sign roads on Iran (the typeface that if you travel in Iran you will see a lot) and as a sans-serif font it is best matching to current English Wikivoyage logo typeface with similar weight while being relevant at the same time (we had this logo for matching with old Wikivoyage logo). --ebraminiotalk 07:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Settings[edit]

Hi all editors of Persian Wikivoyage,
prior to approval please check the settings in the table at the top of the page. E.g. I'm certain that the Project: namespace should not be called Wy/fa/ویکی‌سفر ;) Also the Phrasebook namespace needs a localised name for its Talk pages as well. --MF-W 11:41, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I changed the ns to be the same as project name. -Shervin Afshar (talk) 19:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hi MF-W, here is some configurations I think would be useful:
  • Language code: fa
  • Site url: fa.wikivoyage.org
  • Project name (in native language): ویکی‌سفر
  • Project namespace (usually the same as the project name): ویکی‌سفر
  • Project talk namespace: بحث_ویکی‌سفر
  • Project logo: File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-fa.svg
  • Phrasebook namespace: عبارت‌نامه
  • Phrasebook talk namespace: بحث_عبارت‌نامه
  • Default project timezone: UTC (Iran is +3:30 and Afghanistan +4:30, so UTC would be better)
--ebraminiotalk 19:20, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure about hard-coding "_" in namespaces strings which have space? Usually, for the scope strings (pages, sections, etc.) there is an auto-replacement from space to "_". -- Shervin Afshar (talk) 22:55, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
User:Shervinafshar: AFAIK It doesn't matter system automatically replaces them for the database (" " to "_") or user front-end ("_" to " ") Amir (talk) 14:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Right. But generally, the only places that " " is converted to "_" are in the database and in the URLs. So, although it might not make a difference, but it's better to avoid that in the configuration settings. --Shervin Afshar (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
It is really nothing serious but FYI _ is used over space on MediaWiki configurations. --ebraminiotalk 07:21, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
I propose "زبانشناسی" for "pharasebook" namespace. Specifically it refers to "linguistics" but contextually it can be used to imply "getting familiar with a language".--Doostdar (talk) 14:54, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't agree, "زبان‌شناسی" hardly can imply "شناخت زبان" in reader mind at least IMO and a phrasebook can also be about just a dialect and not a language. "عبارت‌نامه" had already usage for this manner: [1] --ebraminiotalk 16:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I second what ebraminio mentioned and strongly disagree with using "زبانشناسی" for pharasebook. --Shervin Afshar (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

The project was approved. I filed the bug for the creation of the wiki with the settings as they were now in the table. --MF-W 14:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)