Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Spanish

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikivoyage Spanish
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

The language is clearly eligible. — For the creation of the project, dumps will be made avaiable so that this project can be approved soon with the content of Spanish Wikitravel & the work from Incubator (see also incubator:I:Wikivoyage import / RNL#Wikivoyage. --MF-W 00:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC) -- Creation now requested in bugzilla:42933. --MF-W 23:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code es (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Spanish Language name in English
Language name español Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name Wikiviajes "Wikivoyage" in your language
Project namespace Wikiviajes usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace Wikiviajes discusión "Wikivoyage talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:WikiVoyage-logo.svg 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone UTC "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal[edit]

Spanish editors are part of a very large community, even with differente time zones. This community has every Wikimedia project in their language and contributes on them on a daily basis (even on multilingual projects like Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata). I'm sure they'll also contribute to this new project with enthusiasm. --RalgisWM-CR 15:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • I don't oppose, but except Spanish Wikipedia the rest of the Spanish projects are not that actively mantained nor editted. I'd preferr not to have another abandoned project just to have it. Perhaps we should start a Incubator test project first. Regards. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Per this message from the Deputy Director, no Wikivoyage is going to be opened without an active test project on the Incubator. We need to start a test project there. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
    • I agree with MarcoAurelio. Sister projects of Wikipedia in Spanish are too inactive. I'm sorry, but I think a Wikivoyage in Spanish will not be a good idea. --invadinado (Tell me) 16:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
    • (Sorry for my comment in French) Je ne suis pas d'accord avec MarcoAurelio. Tous nous savons que la communauté espagnole est une des plus grandes de la planète. Je le vois incohérent que par exemple, Wikimédia en suédois ait le projet, lequel/laquelle a moins éditions et importance que l'espagnole. Et ce que MarcoAurelio dit que les autres projets que ne sont pas Wikipédia en espagnol sont abandonnés n'est pas vrai. Par exemple, en Wikinews en espagnol beaucoup de monde publie informations, même si ne se publissent pas rapidement. Je crois que le/la Wikivoyage c'est necessaire en espagnol. Tokvo (talk) 18:54, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
      • (Sorry for my bad French, too much time w/o writting) Merci. Je voudrais aussi "avoir" un Wikivoyage en Espagnol, mais on a peur qu'il devient inactive comme les autres projects en espagnol: Wikilivres, Wikiquote ou Wikisource, qui ne sont pas activement mantenues. Je suis, par example, en train de résuciter es.wikibooks, sans beaucoup de chance dans ce moment. Le SV-Wikivoyage est là parce-que il existait on le wikivoyage "original", non parce-que la WMF decidait l'ouverture. Cordialement, -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 23:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
      • You (I mean, MarcoAurelio and Invadinado) are assuming that the Wikimedia community has a fixed size and that adding a new project will distract the current Wikipedia editors. I don't believe that. On the contrary, maybe the new project will attract new contributors, and eventually drive some of them to Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, etc. I'm guessing, yes, just like you are doing. Patricio.lorente (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
        • No, se equivoca. Yo no asumo que haya numerus clausus. A lo que me refiero es que (a) los proyectos hermanos en español están bastante abandonados, es un hecho; y (b) debe de existir un proyecto de prueba inicial, activo y con contenido antes de pedirle a la Fundación que abra el proyecto. Les aseguro de que si se abre Wikiviajes (nombre a determinar) estaré encantado de contribuir y estoy seguro que muchos otros también. Ahora bien, sigamos el proceso, veamos si en la Incubadora hay éxito y luego abramos el proyecto. Tener por tener no tiene sentido. Gracias. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 23:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
        • El proyecto en la incubadora, como se ha mencionado, está en marcha. Sin embargo, dado que hay una importante comunidad de editores en español evidentemente interesados, parece ser una pérdida de tiempo ya que categorías, enlaces, plantillas, etc. no funcionan de la misma manera que en si el proyecto estuviera en marcha en http://es.wikivoyage.org; parecería que habrá que reescribir muchas cosas una vez aprobado. Por supuesto, no pretendo que la comunidad hispanoparlante se salte las reglas, pero dado que en los idiomas en que estaba activo Wikivoyage iniciarán sin todo este proceso, parecería razonable solicitar un trámite más abreviado en el caso del español cuya comunidad mantiene una de las Wikipedias más grande y más visitadas. Patricio.lorente (talk) 00:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
          • Don Patricio, estoy seguro de que el LangCom tiene presente eso, pues el idioma español cumple de sobra con los requisitos de la Language proposal policy/es. Si el proyecto en la Incubadora sale bien, auguro que quizás en un par de meses podamos ignaugurar un nuevo proyecto en español. Un saludo. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Incubator started November 11th. The project should have significant content and continuous (daily?) activity over a long period of time (e.g. months or so). I don't find it important to have an own URL if we have a shared one (Incubator). -Aleator (talk) 19:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • No tiene relación el tamaño de una comunidad idiomática con sus aportaciones a los proyectos de Wikimedia. Los que hablan en italiano (con 72 millones de hablantes) o en neerlandés (con 38 millones de hablantes) tienen en Wikipedia mayor número de entradas que los que hablamos en español (con 500 millones de hablantes). Supongo que habrá razones económicas (el mayor o menor acceso a internet y su tecnología) culturales, e incluso de la propia sistemática de trabajo de Wikipedia, que autoriza a crear miles de entradas de baja calidad simplemente por traducción automática. Sinceramente, creo que Wikivoyage no cumpliría los objetivos y misión de Wikimedia sino se abre a más idiomas, y en especial al español, ya que limitaría tanto su capacidad de aportación como la accesibilidad a amplias comunidades. Un cordial saludo: --Raimundo Pastor (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Me parece bien que exista una Wikivoyage en Español, de esa forma varios editores que desean transformar los artículos sobre sus localidades tengan un lugar en donde eso no se considere vandalismo . Le damos oportunidad y verán como prosperará con bastante éxito. Un saludo. White Master (es) 01:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I support the idea of eswikivoyage, the spanish is the third language spoken in the world --Esteban (talk) 02:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support the creation of this new project in Spanish--Rosymonterrey (talk) 07:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • A favor, de seguro habrá muchos usuarios interesados en participar. Nadie esta obligado a editar en todos los proyectos WM en español. MercurioMT (talk) 20:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • A favor. Dorieo (talk) 21:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. We mustn't measure activity of non-english Wikimedia projects with the rule of en.wikipedia. And it's needed to say that the case of other spanish Wikimedia projects different to Wikipedia are not stopped, simply they have low-level development wich is quite different. Salvador alc (talk) 22:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment MarcoAurelio, according to the statement by the WMF Deputy Director, what's the purpose of this request? To create a Spanish Wikivoyage in the Incubator? I mean, if the Incubator site is already working, I understand this requests is not needed anymore and only encouraging from Spanish-speaking projects and, maybe, promotion from local chapters in Spanish-speaking countries would be needed. If successful, Spanish Wikivoyage will go live. Otherwise, it won't. Am I missing anything? --Ecemaml (talk) 23:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC) PS: on the other hand, have you got updated information about the migration of pictures to commons?
    • Hola Ecemaml. El propósito de esta página —que yo no he iniciado, fue Ralgis— es la de solicitar de la Fundación un dominio propio para tener un Wikivoyage en Español. Requisito preceptivo por la Language proposal policy. No, no es necesario ninguna página como esta para crear un proyecto nuevo en la Incubadora, sólo para abrir una wiki nueva (tal y como Erik y la respectiva política establecen). Si el proyecto en la Incubadora es exitoso, se podría abrir un Wikivoyage en Español. Espero haber resuelto sus dudas. Por lo que respecta a esta página, reitero, yo no tengo nada que ver. Un saludo. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Gracias, pensé que habías abierto tú la página. Me parece razonable. Un saludo --Ecemaml (talk) 21:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC) PD: de lo de las imágenes de wikitravel, ¿sabes algo?
  • I would say that es.wikivoyage is going to have more activity than the other little projects becuase of its goal, I strongly support it. --Pownerus (talk) 00:22, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm still surprised that there has to be a process to create a project on the second largest language in the world. Probably, Spanish projects are not the most successful but they are not dead; in fact, all the Spanish versions are in the top 5 of most visited editions on each project and in the top 10 of more contributions except Wiktionary [1]. Will be Wikivoyage in Spanish successful? I don't know, but it won't be dead. Spanish Wikitravel had almost 2,000 articles, similar in magnitude with the French, Italian, Portuguese and Polish version and bigger than the Swedish version (which has already a WV version). I don't know how long will you wait to move from the Incubator... but certainly it won't take off as long as it is in the Incubator, which is probably the most annoying place to edit. --Osmar Valdebenito, B1mbo (talk) 00:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Please see above in the box: I'm currently figuring out with people from Wikivoyage how we can best transfer the pages from Spanish Wikitravel. Probably we will be able to do it until the end of the week, so es.wikivoyage.org can start then. --MF-W 10:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support, of course. About the Incubator: it sucks. A lot. It isn't right to say that you will "check if the project gets editors in the Incubator before giving it its own wiki", as some of us will just not edit in the Incubator, as it sucks. A lot. --Racso ¿¿¿??? 05:00, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
    • But you have read that this project will not need a test phase in Incubator? Please also feel free to address criticism about Incubator on incubator:I:CP. --MF-W 00:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Settings[edit]

We are getting nearer to the creation of the project (the XML files are coming closer to me, so to say :P ). Therefore, please check if the settings above in the box are all correct or discuss them if necessary. --MF-W 00:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Everything seems to be fine, thanks MF! Patricio.lorente (talk) 00:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you! - We need to address what the Project name will be. "Wikiviajes", "Wikidestinos"? Regards. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
“Wikiviajes” would be a name closer to “Wikivoyage”. However, some feel that the name should remain untranslated. I prefer it to be in Spanish. --RalgisWM-CR 16:16, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
El nombre ya está decidido. Y no habrá un dominio distinto para cada idioma, como no ocurre con ninguno de los otros proyectos. El nombre Wikiviajes podrá usarse de manera coloquial, tal como usamos Wikinoticias o Wiccionario. Patricio.lorente (talk) 16:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Precisamente me refería a eso, no al dominio. He hablado con algunos wikimedistas y he visto que se dividen en cuanto a nombrarlo en español (como Wikinoticias) o en inglés (como Wikisource). --RalgisWM-CR 17:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah, ok. En ese sentido, a mí también Wikiviajes me parece el más apropiado. Patricio.lorente (talk) 17:37, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
También creo que "Wikiviajes" es mejor. --Racso ¿¿¿??? 16:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikiviajes me parece bien también --Osmar Valdebenito, B1mbo (talk) 18:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I think would be better the "timezone" on this wiki is UTC. Because Spain not only edits on this wiki, unless, several countries in different continents. In all our sister projects and main wiki have this setting. Regards --Ignacio Flag of Uruguay.svg (talk) 21:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Support. Spanish editors are important but just a fraction of all who edit on Spanish language. --RalgisWM-CR 23:01, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Any news about this? --Racso ¿¿¿??? 15:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Forget it; just saw this. --Racso ¿¿¿??? 15:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
  • What is going to happen if there is a page about the same topic in both the old dump and the new Incubator project? For example, there is both incubator:Wy/es/Europa and [2]. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
    • The community should decide what to do on a case by case basis. Both pages will be imported (for example, one to the main namespace, and the other one to a temporary name); then the community can decide to delete one of the pages, or to merge them, as they see fit. --MF-W 22:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

The wiki seems operational right now, thanks!. Can the text in the logo ("Wiki [V]oyage") be translated to spanish ("Wiki [V]iajes") so it matches the wiki name? It would be an analog case to, for example, Wikinoticias. Thanks! --Racso ¿¿¿??? 21:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)