Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Polabian

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wiktionary Polabian
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

As stated below, WMF projects are not places to recreate languages. You need to move this project off of Incubator to Incubator Plus on Wikia or to some other location consistent with the licensing terms of WMF projects. For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 21:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code pox (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Polabian Language name in English
Language name Wenske, Slüvensťĕ, Vensťĕ Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q36741 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Polabian
  • native label (P1705) = Wenske, Slüvensťĕ, Vensťĕ
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = dead language / Lechitic languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) = Latin script
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 0


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name "Wiktionary" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wiktionary talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Polabian- a new Language for Wiktionary[edit]

I hereby apply for the creation of a full-fledged Polabian Wiktionary. Polabian is an extinct language that was spoken in eastern Germany until the 18th century. The Incubator-Test Wiktionary

Why? A modern language Wiktionary, like de.wiktionary or en.wiktionary, would more usefully hold definitions of Polabian words in a modern language.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia says "About 2800 Polabian words" are known. That's far from enough to write a dictionary in.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Truthfully, Phillipm0703, Prosfilaes is correct. Remember that a "Polabian Wiktionary" is a Wiktionary whose base language is Polabian, allowing words in any language to be defined. You are far better off putting effort into adding Polabian words into widely used Wiktionaries, notably en.wiktionary (biggest), as well as de.wiktionary and pl.wiktionary, Wiktionaries in the languages that people in that region are most likely to speak fluently. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Of course, but you could just borrow borrowed words from Polish, Kashubian, etc., or put together new words. Or you invent new words. My goal is not to create a historical Wiktionary for scientists, but to invent a "New Polabian" and revive the language in its "basic form", such as "New-Prussian", Hebrew, Cornish. Phillipm0703 (talk) 14:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
That's all very nice, Phillip, but WMF does not typically see its projects as being a place to reinvent languages.
In any event, since I am still clearing out a backlog of requests for new projects, it will be a while before I get to this one. And even if it is marked as "eligible"—and I'm not sure it will—it can't become an independent Wiktionary until there is actually some content to do something with, as well as a community that is building the content. See LPP for details. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Per above, I oppose any Wikimedia projects in Polabian. The vocabulary of any language, living or dead, can be added to existing Wikitionaries like wikt:de: or wikt:en:. Now, as a long time contributor to w:li: and several of its sisters, I sympathise with lesser languages getting their own Wikipedias. Unlike the Board, I even think there can be Wikipedias in dead languages. But to deserve a Wikipedia, the language must live on to some extent, either as the ancestral language of an ethnic group that still exists (e.g. Livonian), or as a classical language (like Ancient Greek), or maybe both (like Coptic). Unless I am very mistaken, there are no ethnic Polabians today - the descendants of its speakers identify as Germans. Admittedly, I would be trilled to see a Wikipedia (to be sure, Phillipm02 has in fact started a test Wikipedia as well, though he hasn't requested its creation yet) in yet another language, but this thrill can't be the only reason for its creation. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 11:14, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Oppose Per Steinbach, if there are still useful Polabian words, contribute to other Wiktionaries are good enough. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:56, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.