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My administrative rights on pl.wikiquote.org

I received a message from @Rschen7754: that "I meet the criteria for inactivity". He informed me that in order to preserve the rights, I should inform the community pl.wikiqote.org about this message.
Then, on this noticeboard, I am going to publish a discussion link in which the community pl.wikiqote.org will express the will to keep the rights.
Link to the received message: https://pl.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dyskusja_u%C5%BCytkowu:MariuszR#Twoje_uprawnienia_administratora_na_plwikiquote
I made all the points from the message I received:
- a link to the discussion in which I informed the community: https://pl.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikicytaty:Bar#WA%C5%BBNE%3A_Kontrolaaktywność%C5%B_administrator%C3%B3w
There was a one voice in the discussion "If you became active on the steward's request and upheld the desire to have rights, then you should be excluded from the stewards' attitude regarding inactivity."
No other votes were raised- -MariuszR (talk) 18:50, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I am an administrator in Polish wikiquote. I confirm what above. Zero (talk) 20:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
The relevant policy is AAR. Ruslik (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello MariuszR. Thanks for your message. The notification you received is from Admin activity review. Given that you've returned to activity you'll be exempted this round, so you'll keep your permissions. I've added a note to our check page so they don't get removed in error notheless. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

eyes needed

Moved to Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat#eyes needed
MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

A WMF-banned user is spamming me on simplewiki, Commons and the English version of Wikinews

I don’t know what I had done to him. He keeps on spamming me on my talk pages there. Nigos (talk) 06:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

so the Commons Admins' Noticeboard discussion is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=357678830#User_82.139.13.162_keeps_on_spamming_me
Someone from IP address 217.97.101.224 wanted to reset my password. It wasn’t me. What do I do??? Nigos (talk) 08:09, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
That IP address is already globally blocked (a few hours ago). Stryn (talk) 08:16, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Ok. Nigos (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

WMF-banned user Rockystatues

Um, based on the spam that banned user put here, I think you should warn the Polish, English and Serbian Wikipedias and the English Wikiquote admins about what that banned user may do. Nigos (talk) 03:25, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

All of the people on that google group are the same person. He's been vandalizing those projects for a while, almost 15 years now iirc. There's no real need to do anything as those projects will simply revert and block the account. This has been happening for a long time, and the most we can do is demy recognition and simply revert, block, and ignore. Vermont (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Cross-wiki vandalism by User:Ivan A. Krestinin via Wikidata

User:Ivan A. Krestinin just mass-removed data in Wikidata. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/KrBot&offset=20190722170600&limit=2270&target=KrBot

As documented on d:Property:P2580 the concerned values are used in several Wikipedias.

In deWP more than 700 pages lost their external links to pages on https://bbld.de as can be seen at de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:Wikidata P2580 Wartung - 2019-07-21 there was just one item in that category.

Also SPARQL-Queries that use P2580 will not work anymore as they did before.

What can be done? This is *not* just a Wikidata-issue, for Wikidata-editors the change might be OK, but for the Wikipedias it is not. 78.55.150.68 23:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

If you think that the bot is malfunctioning then report the problem to the bot owner. Ruslik (talk) 11:58, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

GB closure

Requests for comment/Global ban for Meister und Margarita is more than a month old. I guess it's time to evaluate and close. Personally I don't see consensus to global ban by a simple Support/Oppose count. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Ruslik (talk) 20:59, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: Hiàn (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Globally locked user requesting an unblock for sock account on enwiki

Sam8521 has requested an unblock at their user talk page on enwiki. It's been a long time since they were blocked (~10 years) and I'd ordinarily grant the request just on the basis that they've moved on from high school, but this account is a sock of Samlaptop85213, which is globally locked. They claim to have emailed the stewards a couple of times and got no response. What's the best way forward here? Could a steward please have a look at it? GoldenRing (talk) 12:35, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The lock was for old cross-wiki vandalism. I have no objections to the user editing again under one username; if they continue to vandalize then we can issue blocks or locks as appropriate. – Ajraddatz (talk) 22:35, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I sent numerous e-mails to the Stewards this month requesting for my main account to be unlocked. An administrator has even given me access to my talk page on my main account back in 2011. There are several articles on the English Wikipedia that need updating and I feel like having my editing privaliges back on my original account will show that I can be trusted editing on a well known site. I also need to change the account name to Samtastic95 as a few years ago I changed my online nickname from Samlaptop to Samtastic. The account Samtastic is already taken.--Sam8521 (talk) 06:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Help user caught in IP block

Hello! Where would I ask for help with a user caught in an IP block on meta.wiki? The user is DuncanHill. I'm an en.wiki sysop and know this user to be reliable and trustworthy. They claim to be caught in IP block here [1] and cannot even edit their own talk page to ask for help. Jehochman (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I will look into this. WM:RFH next time. — regards, Revi 19:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Marco was faster than me. — regards, Revi 19:08, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks all for the help. One further question - is there any way in future to request help without having to impose on others? DuncanHill (talk) 19:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @DuncanHill: You could post to Talk:SRG.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:15, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @Jeff G.: Do you mean I could ask there now? As obviously I couldn't have done so while blocked. DuncanHill (talk) 21:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @DuncanHill: Special:Contact/stewards would be the best bet. Jon Kolbert (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @Jon Kolbert: That needs to be added to the notice people get when trying to edit. DuncanHill (talk) 21:32, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @DuncanHill: I'm a bit confused as to why you weren't able to edit, the block settings on the block you indicated on Jehochman's talk were anon-only, 16:28, 18 May 2019: Green Giant (meta.wikimedia.org) globally blocked 188.29.164.0/23 (expires on 18 August 2019 at 16:28, anonymous only) (edits · IP check · whois) (Long-term abuse: per request (changed to anon only on request)) (remove | modify). Unless you were affected by another block? Jon Kolbert (talk) 21:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @Jon Kolbert: "This IP address is currently blocked. The latest block log entry is provided below for reference:
    21:05, 16 May 2019 Green Giant talk contribs blocked 188.29.164.0/23 talk with an expiration time of 3 months (account creation disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Long-term abuse: per request)" is what it says. DuncanHill (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @DuncanHill: You could have posted there as an IP while blocked.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 22:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @Jeff G.: Are you sure? 'It was the IP address that was blocked'. So you are saying that a blocked IP can edit there, and a non-blocked account can't? DuncanHill (talk) 22:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
    @DuncanHill: I've been told before that global blocks don't affect Meta, so any IP can edit there, as long as it isn't blocked on meta.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 13:38, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
    @Jeff G.: Well I suggest you get your IP blocked and try it for yourself. As it is, there is no way in hell I'm going to log out when caught in a block like that - I've had a previous experience where if I hadn't been logged in on another device I wouldn't have been able to edit anywhere or email anyone to ask for help. DuncanHill (talk) 14:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

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Global blocks do not affect Meta, but most stewards cause a local block mirroring the global block here because, more and more frequently, globally blocked IPs do come here to "fire their last round" at Meta after being globally blocked. That's why DuncanHill was not able to edit (ref) given that the IP range was locally hardblocked (the original global block was a hardblock as well, but when the global block was amended to be 'anon. only' that does not change the local Meta block; you need to do so manually). Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

  • DuncanHill from a technical perspective, neither the en.wiki block or the global block should have impacted you, as it was anon only. It would have prevented password resets, however. That being said, local IPBE covers global blocks, so if you're having an issue on en.wiki, you can either email a local en.wiki CheckUser directly or email the en.wiki checkuser team following the information at w:en:WP:CheckUser. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:12, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Also, I misread this, based on the block notice you posted. It was locally hardblocked on meta. Anyway, useful information if you catch yourself in a global hardblock. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
      • @TonyBallioni: I'm more confused than I was before you posted. I wasn't having a problem on en-wiki, the problem was with Meta and the impossibility of getting help here. I had to go to en-wiki because I couldn't get help here. Why would I email en-wiki checkusers for a problem on Meta? And why does the notice people get when caught in this situation not give them useful instructions? DuncanHill (talk) 12:36, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
        • @DuncanHill: you posted the wrong block message above, so I thought you were talking about ths global block. Local IPBE can exempt people from global blocks. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
          • @TonyBallioni: Sorry well how am I to know which is the "right" block notice if the one on the IP page is wrong? Prhaps they could be labelled "This is the wrong block notice, do not quote it". The message I got when I tried to edit was "Your account or IP address has been blocked. 188.29.164.0/23, you have been blocked by ‪Green Giant‬ until 21:05, 16 August 2019, because: Long-term abuse: per request." So I copied the block notice from that IP. Why was that wrong? DuncanHill (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
            • I think you misunderstand these blocks. There are two: one on meta, and one globally. You copied the notice of the one globally while requesting review of the one on meta, hence the wrong block message. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 14:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
              • @Vermont: How the hell is anyone in my position meant to know that? How the hell is anyone else caught like me meant to get help? Dowes nobody here give a damn that innocent people are being caught in blocks that they have no way of appealing? And then when they do manage to edit they get a load of contradictory, confusing, and confused responses. DuncanHill (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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Look just forget it. It's clear that Meta is not for the likes of me. I am sorry I ever bothered to do anything here. Sorry for wasting your time, I'm certainly sorry I ever wasted my time on Meta. You don't want people to be able to appeal when caught unjustly in blocks. Just try making that a bit clearer in future will you? DuncanHill (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

(Edit conflict.) The block notices specify between global and local blocks. The one you pasted here earlier specifies that it is global. In the event you were completely unable to contact anyone you could always email stewards@wikimedia.org to contact stewards about it. I've read over this discussion and didn't find anything that's contradictory, although there was some confusion with TonyBallioni over the block message. Thank you, Vermont (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
I have no idea whatsoever why you are frustrated by this. Insinuations that we don't want to help constructive users caught in rangeblocks is insulting and blatantly false. You successfully sought help and gained the input of multiple stewards and active users here. The hostility is unnecessary. Vermont (talk) 14:24, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
@Vermont: Why is the information to email Stewards only given out after someone has manged to get unblocked? Why not tell them when it might actually be useful? I got no help from Meta until after I was unblocked, I had to go to en-wiki for help. DuncanHill (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
@Vermont: I was told here that there was no reason I couldn't edit my talk page. That was confusing and frustrating, when clearly I couldn't edit it. DuncanHill (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Where were you told that you should be able to edit your talk page? I don't see anything about it here. Also, from my perspective, it seems the block on meta should not have affected you as it was anon-only, although if it did somehow affect you it would block talk page access. In regard to the email, it's literally stewards@wikimedia.org. It isn't hidden; it's pasted on dozens of pages on metawiki and elsewhere. There is also Special:Contact/Stewards. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
None of which is told to someone caught in one of these blocks. And thanks for confirming that you don't understand what was happening. The block did affect me even if "from your perspective" it shouldn't have. I'm not in the habot of guessing email addresses, and I didn't know that it was Stewards who I should have contacted, as again that was not told to me. Expecting people to know things that they have no way of knowing is the unwelcoming attitude that I am complaining about. DuncanHill (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
I apologize, I had misread the block log. It appears the IP was hardblocked locally on meta, thus preventing you from editing on meta. I just tested that MediaWiki:Blockedtext does in fact show up by blocking my test account (and it did), which gives comtact information for the blocking admin and a list of other administrators. However, I'm not sure if the global block notice includes the stewards email; if not, it probably should. Thank you, Vermont (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
@Vermont: Thank you. Now do you understand why I have foud this thread so frustrating - when people like you get things wrong and proceed to give me advice based on misapprehensions? DuncanHill (talk) 18:08, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Unrelated but re User:TonyBallioni, enwp IPBE could cover global block? You seems to said twice above. AFAIK local IPBE doesn't cover global block, or are you meaning locally white listing? If we can have local sysop granting IPBE to exempt from global blocks rather than needing a GIPBE it will save a lot of time if someone is caught in a hard global block but only need to edit one project. --Cohaf (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Local IPBE allows individuals who only edit one project edit that project even when a global block is in place. w:en:WP:GIPBE is a bit heavy on the en.wiki policy language, but it explains the relationship well. If someone wants to edit more than one project, they’ll need GIPBE, but a significant number of people only care about one project and don’t need it. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:51, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
      • @TonyBallioni:. Noted with much thanks. Sidenote: So for this user case, a local enwp IPBE is all it needs?--Cohaf (talk) 15:05, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
        • In this user case it was Meta I couldn't edit, so presumably an en-wiki IPBE wouldn't work. Of course, I'm only a clueless newbeie with only 100,000 edits. DuncanHill (talk) 15:06, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
          • An enwiki IPBE would permit you to edit enwiki, although it's probably better to do it globally. Vermont (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
            • And as I might have mentioned once or twice, enwiki wasn't the problem. DuncanHill (talk) 15:11, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
              • (Edit conflict.) I'm sorry, I don't see how that applies. I'm saying an enwiki IPBE would permit you to edit theough a global block. Vermont (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
            • I meant to clarify: it'd be better to do it globally if you intended to edit other projects. Vermont (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
              • Thanks Vermont for confirmation. This is something new. I shall keep this discussion for reference somewhere should I need it. --Cohaf (talk) 15:13, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
          • (Edit conflict.) Yes, as it was a meta local block, it’s a different issue. I was confused by the block notice you posted and was trying to be helpful since I’m normally the person who gets pinged when there are en IPBE concerns. I’m sorry for any confusion.

            Cohaf, per above, it doesn’t matter in this case, but to use zh.wiki as an example, if someone only wants to edit zh.wiki, a local sysop can grant them zh.wiki IPBE and they would be able to edit even if a global hard block was in place. Vermont is wrong, however, that global IPBE is preferred in these cases. If someone only cares about one project, local IPBE is often easier for the users to understand and often stewards will kick to local sysops anyway. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

            • Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated. --Cohaf (talk) 15:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
            • Yep, clarified above. Vermont (talk) 15:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)