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Xoser@diq.wikipedia[edit]

Hello, dear Wikipedia administration. I’m a founder of the Zazaki Wikipedia page and was/am one of the admins. I have been sick for two years now. Thus, I wasn't able to take care of the page. Fortunately, I have recovered and can look after the page again. Therefore, as the founder of this page I would like to get my admin rights back. Meanwhile, the discussion process was too short, there was no policy that made in Zazaki Wikipedia in this way. I’ll be more careful in the future. Best Regards. Xoser (talk) 23:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Important note: This local discussion only has four votes. Three people (Xarpêtıj, Megatronom, Gulenherzan) are sockpuppets of Erdemaslancan. They have been pointed out now and banned. The other (Otrox62) is a new user (for 3 months). Therefore, the voting is not fair. Xoser (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

(Non-steward comment) I am not sure this request should have been fulfilled. The accounts listed had very few edits and nearly all of them were to that desysop request. --Rschen7754 00:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Did you understand the subject perfectly? I complain about the accounts listed. They are sockpuppets. I would like to get my admin rights back. Xoser (talk) 00:33, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I am saying that I do not think your rights should have been removed. However, as I am no longer a steward, I unfortunately cannot do anything about it. --Rschen7754 01:28, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry. I got it wrong. Thank you. What else can I do? Xoser (talk) 01:37, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
@Xoser: Sysop flag restored but you have to become active again because you meet the AAR inactivity criteria. --Melos (talk) 08:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
@Melos: Thank you very much. I will be more active. Xoser (talk) 10:26, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Xoser is racist against Armenian people. He says this page is an Armenian propaganda and he deleted the Armenian word from the article, he says 'are you Armenian' to sysop Asmen and he again deletes the Armenian word from article, he says all you are Armenian. A sysop must be respectful and tolerant to all people, all nations. Xoser is not enoughly respectful. Vuzorg (talk) 15:17, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


It is unfortunately true that Xoser yesterday made Armenophobic comments against me just with the reason I added with historical correctness that the area called today Northern Kurdistan is historically a part of Western Armenia. His comments without any attest were "this is an Armenian propaganda" (like Turkish nationalist use this kind of arguments against Kurdish patriots) and "Have you become Armenian now?!!". He tries to insult and discredit me but he should aware of the political incorrectness of his arguments as a sysop and that to his colleague! His friends claimed with Xoser the preservation of political balance in Zazaki Wikipedia. But a person with Armenophobic ressentiments and as a Kurdish patriot cannot handle objective and his place as sysop is out of place. User:Asmen 09:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

  • In the article, titled "Kurdıstanê Tırkiya" (Turkish Kurdistan), the user Asmen did not give any resources for his claims that this region is part of “Western Armenia”. This shows that he is not objective. Moreover, we did a content discussion over there, it’s not a proper place to discuss it here. It seems that he cunningly aims to turn the discussion into a political-ideological one. Wikipedia should be scientific. Period. But there is not a single resource in the afore mentioned article. Asmen claims that most of Kurdistan’s part belongs to Armenia without delivering any proof. In this case we have a discussion about the reliability of his claim. He should show a resource. There is no need to bring discussions over here. Also, he attempted to show the famous writer Yasar Kemal as Armenian, but another user asked the relability of that info to Agos, the well-known Armenian newspaper published in Turkey, and the newspaper answered that Yasar Kemal is not Armenian but Kurdish. From these experiences it seems that Asmen is a Kurdphobic. I ask that every article should have reliable resources and be scientific. Thanks. Xoser (talk) 22:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Attention: It was reported in local discussion: "Memedaga is a sock of User:Asmen. It's proved by steward User:Matiia. You can read here" Xoser (talk) 23:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

User Xoser@diq.wikipedia[edit]

Hello, we have been waiting for sysop removal of access for Xoser of Zazaki Wikipedia since almost two week. Xoser used three sock puppets for local dicussion (Neribij, Kirmanciye and Azadi) although we stated that Zazaki Wikipedia is so small and a third sysop is needless and so there is a consensus about remove Xoser's sysop access. When will we receive answer? [1]

  1. This user is not continuously active 2017, 2014 and 2010.
  2. This user does nothing about stewardship of Zazaki Wikipedia.
  3. There are three active users on Zazaki Wikipedia. Two of them are already sysops and Zazaki Wikipedia is a small wikipedia, consisted by only three users, it doesn't need another sysop, three sysops are unnecessary.
  4. Asmen and Mirzali are two admins of Zazaki Wikipedia. They also demand removal of Xoser's sysop acces. Zazaki wikipedia is very small, so it doesn't need another admin. It's redundant to have another sysop on this small wiki.
  5. Azadi Kirmanciye, Neribij and Xoser all their contribution pasts are same, 2014 and 2017. Azadi Kirmanciye and Neribij came here to vote for Xoser. They are sock puppets of Xoser.

The problem is that a third sysop is needless for Zazaki Wikipedia. There are only 3 permanent active users on Zazaki Wikipedia. Two of the Mirzali and Asmen are sysops and I'm other third active user. Vuzorg (talk) 16:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I fully agree with Vuzorg. After three years of absence, Xoser arrives with a contradictory objection, and strangely enough, with him, all the Kurds and Kurdists appear again. Their polemic objections make our work in the project unnecessarily difficult. We need no troublemaker and certainly not an idle third admin. -- Mirzali (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

On local discussion Xoser used sock puppets named as Kirmanciye, Azadi, Neribij and Asmen34 (he refers to sysop Asmen here).

Look at to our contribution's past. Our contributions are permanent:

  1. My contribution past
  2. Mirzali's contributions past (sysop) and
  3. Asmen's contribution past (sysop)

And look at to Xoser and his sock puppet's Kirmanciye, Azadi, Neribij, Asmen34 contributions:

  1. Xoser's contribution past 2017-2014
  2. Xoser's sock puppet Neribij's contribution past 2017-2014
  3. Xoser's sock puppet Kirmanciye's contribution past 2017-2014
  4. Xoser's sock puppet Asmen34's contribution past 2017

This is local discussion on Zazaki Wikipeida. As you see Xoser used his 4 sock puppets for vote against removal of his sysop acces.

There are only 3 regular active users on Zazaki Wikipedia, I, Mirzali (sysop) and Asmen (sysop). And we agreed on removal of Xoser's sysop access, because he uses sock puppets and he manipulates local discussion by this way and he is not an active user and he does nothing about sysopship of Zazaki Wikipedia Vuzorg (talk) 08:06, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Like Vuzorg proves. Pls look at their contributions. So please don't make us wait for the answer and action. Best regards. --asmên 14:29, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I do not see any evidence that those three accounts are socket puppets of Xoser. Ruslik (talk) 18:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Evidences for you:
  • All they was active between 2014-2017,
  • All their writing system are same,
  • All their votes are same ,
  • All they are aganist to removal of Xoser's sysop access.

Enough? Vuzorg (talk) 08:35, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

And what? Ruslik (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm not a sock puppet of anyone (But I'm not sure about Vuzorg). I'm active in Zazaki Wikipedia and Turkish wikipedia too. Vuzorg (and Mirzali) want using wikipedia as his personal blog. He was prevented many people in wikipedia zazaki without cause. Therefore he taken from the sysop, three-four years ago. I and many people have been away from wikipedia, sometimes, because of Vuzorg/Mirzali's (and Mirzali's team) interventions and inhibitions. Xoser is a balance for everyone can write on wikipedia and he is a fair sysop in my opinion.
In addition, I have to make some corrections. Also, I have contribution in 2015 see. I was also here before the vote. before the vote; see. But especially in 2016, Vuzorg (with the support of Mirzali) repeatedly took back my and other user's contributions (for example, see). They changed the orthography and the alphabets in the articles, many articles were distorted. This situation has many people keep away from the wikipedia. It's like a waste of time. You're writing, he's breaking it. That's why few people write it. Xoser is a balancing factor. When he goes, wikipedia Zazaki turns into a personal blog. Let's not let that happen. Let's develop together Wikipedia Zazaki. Neribij (talk) 17:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
How come that you can claim these things Neribij? What's your reference? What can verify your these claims? You made only 4 changes on 2015, in all 12 months, 365 days of the year. Is this credible? or reasonable? Is this can verify your attacks on us? I think no.

On the other hand, all dear stewards,

We agreed and we (I, Asmen and Mirzali) changed the orthography and the alphabet because there were only 3 active users (I, Asmen and Mirzali) on Zazaki Wikipedia. If you were active on Zazaki Wikipedia, you would say your opinion too dear Neribij, Xoser, Gomada and etc.. Nobody prevented you from this. After all, you're coming and you're complaining us to stewards. Is this really realistic? I don't think so. We changed some alphabetical mistakes by using academic and scientific ways.

I think that (I'm sure of that) Xoser called people you Neribij, Kirmanciye, Azadi, Asmen34 and from another wikipedia Gomada to get support. Even these account's activities and contributions are not permanent, year by year. Is this fair consider their votes valid? On the other hand, Gomada is sysop of another, apart wikipedia, he is sysop of Kurdish Wikipedia. I do not understand why he interferes Zazaki Wikipedia's own problem? Maybe because of that he shares same political (anti-Armenian, anti-Turkish, anti-Zaza and pro-Kurdist) and religious (Islamist) views with Xoser? Is this moral that Gomada meddle Zazaki Wikipedia's own problem from another wikipedia? If I meddle English wikipedia's or another wikipedia's own problem, would it be fair?

I think that these accounts don't want to removal of Xoser's sysop acces because of that we (I, Asmen and Mirzali) are secular, we use scientific ways, we are objective and open-minded (you can see from the articles we create) so we do not support their Islamist and racist destructions on Zazaki Wikipedia. And these accounts have same racist (anti-Armenian, anti-Turkish, anti-Zaza, pro-Kurdist) and Islamist views and Xoser permits them to spread these sickly ideologies. I'm sorry but we do not want a sysop such as this. This is Wikipedia, this is science, this is a scientific library, this is not a political or Islamist platform. Vuzorg (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Given the infighting on diqwiki I wonder if they should have administrators at all. --Rschen7754 18:12, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

That all he says is slander and deceit. It's not worth answering. For exmaple: I’m a founder of the Zazaki Wikipedia page. How can I be anti-Zaza? :) He does not know what he says. All he says is personal attack. He does not know me. It seems that he cunningly aims to turn the discussion into a political-ideological one. Unacceptable.
Attention: It was reported in local discussion: "Memedaga is a sock of User:Asmen. It's proved by steward User:Matiia. You can read here" No comment. Xoser (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
I wonder that what's dear Xoser's comment on his there racist actions:
  1. He says this page is an Armenian propaganda and he deleted all the Armenian word from the article
  2. He says 'are you Armenian' to sysop Asmen and he again deletes the Armenian word from article
  3. He says all you are Armenian to us
  4. He attacks and insults Asmen, as you see he says Asmen you totally missed the point here again. You are so out of touch. Anyways, I read an article about your connections with Armenian nationalists. That was a very illuminating. I also heard that you are a very successful womanizer. But anyways, you are so irrelevant now. Vuzorg (talk) 12:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

These three examples are only a small fraction of Xoser's inappropriate, racist actions. There are a lot of racist and Islamist actions of Xoser and his team (Kirmanciye, Neribij, Azadi etc..) A sysop must be respectful and tolerant to all people, all nations. Xoser is not enoughly respectful.

On the other hand I wonder what's dear Xoser's comment on Gomada's this racist action (who is sysop of Kurdish wikipedia, and support him):

You can see that Gomada changed all 'Zaza' words as Kurdish. Why he made these changes? Maybe because of that he is racist just like Xoser? As I said Gomada is sysop of Kurdish Wikipedia and he does not have right to interfere Zazaki Wikipedia's own problem.

Can Xoser give a reasonable answer to his and his friend Gomada's these inappropriate actions? Or can Xoser again say that I am cunningly aiming to turn the discussion into a political-ideological one? As I say, a sysop must be respectful and tolerant to all people, all nations. Xoser is not enoughly respectful, Xoser is not a continuous user (was not active between 2014-2017), Xoser called his friends to vote and manipulate the local discussion on Zazaki Wikipedia. Best regards. Vuzorg (talk) 20:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

So it is, like Vuzorg says... Asmen 3:20 7 May 2017 (UTC)
  • In the article, titled "Kurdıstanê Tırkiya" (Turkish Kurdistan), the user Asmen did not give any resources for his claims that this region is part of “Western Armenia”. This shows that he is not objective. Moreover, we did a content discussion over there, it’s not a proper place to discuss it here. It seems that he cunningly aims to turn the discussion into a political-ideological one. Wikipedia should be scientific. Period. But there is not a single resource in the afore mentioned article. Asmen claims that most of Kurdistan’s part belongs to Armenia without delivering any proof. In this case we have a discussion about the reliability of his claim. He should show a resource. There is no need to bring discussions over here. Also, he attempted to show the famous writer Yasar Kemal as Armenian, but another user asked the relability of that info to Agos, the well-known Armenian newspaper published in Turkey, and the newspaper answered that Yasar Kemal is not Armenian but Kurdish. From these experiences it seems that Asmen is a Kurdphobic. I ask that every article should have reliable resources and be scientific.
Dear @Vuzorg and @Asmen, I don't care what you are. I didn't call you Armenian or an Armenian propagandist. The mentioned content was unfounded and contained thesis of Armenian nationalism like "there is no Kurdistan, it is part of western Armenia". That is the meaning behind the phrase "Armenian nationalist", since you were previously known as a Zaza nationalist ("Zazacı"). Your ideas may have changed, I respect that. There is no blame for that. Or how else can Kurdistan be called a part of Western Armenia (and furthermore Yaşar Kemal be made an Armenian)? Instead of discussing this with me, show me the source in the respective articles.
Important note: Don't use sock puppet! Xoser (talk) 23:01, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Dear Xoser, you attacked us by using your racist words, you said us:
  • All you are Armenian,
  • Are you Armenian?,
  • You've deleted all the Armenian words from the article,
  • You said womanizer to Asmen,
  • Your supporter Gomada changed all ~the 'Zaza' words as Kurdish
  • You was not active for 3 years (2013-2017)
  • You did not make even a tiny change or contribution to Zazaki wikipedia for 3 years

Now are we racist or are you? You are not an appropriate user for being sysop.

Resource for you English Wikipedia's article about Western Armenia region, states Also some Kurds refer to the southern parts of region (Western Armenia) as Bakurê Kurdistanê (Northern Kurdistan), Northen Kurdistan = Turkish Kurdistan.

Asmen stated that Northern Kurdistan is also includes Western Armenia on the Kurdıstanê Tırkiya article. What's wrong with this? On the other hand Asmen stated the same statement on Zazaistan article. If we were Armenian propagandist, Kurdophobic or Zaza nationalist like you claims, we would not make these changes. Best regards. Vuzorg (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Please don't lie. I didn't call you Armenian. That doesn't interest me at all. As I explained above, these statements do not belong here, you should discuss/change it on the article. Why don't you try to add resources tothe article instead of fighting with me over this? The other issue is an old and closed conversation between me and the other user. Regards. Xoser (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment diq administrator community sounds dysfunctional. As was suggested previously it might be easier to start with a clean administration base and let the community look to discuss adminship in a year. That there is geo-political squabbling boundaries when we are just talking about the language of the wiki is not a good sign, and one that would seem to disqualify all participants. All the participants really need to have a good hard look at themselves as from the outside it looks like a total embarrassment.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:41, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Xoser creates problems in Zazaki Wikipedia, he was not an active user for years, he does nothing useful, beneficial to Zazaki Wikipedia, he is a dysfunctional sysop so we demanded removal of his sysopship, he can be a normal user, contributor. What's wrong with that? But he does not want to leave sysopship. We demonstrated some of his countless, numerous inappropriate actions above. As a sysop, he is unneeded, needless for Zazaki Wikipedia. Vuzorg (talk) 10:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

SRG might have a troll[edit]

This ip 2602:306:36D5:5690:ADD7:9362:B1DD:5708

and the entire range. The person has been requesting locks for random accounts. Some of them are valid accounts, but a few are too old for a steward to likely act on. Also, doing this to his own range.

Also, some stuff to note. The entire range is blocked on enwiki here.

MechQuester (talk) 17:45, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

False positive report[edit]

Hi! I have been recently appointed OTRS agent for the queue infos-fr. I am supposed to verify identities and often use some OTRS templates on frwiki (like this one or this one).
The problem is I am always triggering filter 105 (see the log). Some users find this suspicious (see this message for instance).
Can you create an exception with filter 105 ? This issue has been discussed on the OTRS wiki and this solution has been proposed. --Arthur Crbz (talk) 19:14, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

The template used on frwiki is Identité vérifiée and the global filter 105 has nothing to do with it. You are triggering a local filter. Matiia (talk) 19:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
And this is not actually a false positive as you are not in OTRS_members global group. Ruslik (talk) 19:49, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
With respect to OTRS template, can't you create another template (or maybe a redirect)? it doesn't make much sense to exclude a single user in a global filter in order to add a template in a single wiki. Matiia (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
@Arthur Crbz: Easiest way to get out of the bind would be to have your community to approach the OTRS team to have you receive the OTRS permission right. There may be some to'ing and fro'ing on the condition for the specifics to get the right, however, as the right is only an indicator, not granting permissions, it seems best to put the emphasis back to OTRS.  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

General question re placement of occasional requests[edit]

At the moment I have putting the occasional requests like global abuse filter additions here. If that is not the preference of stewards, and they would like such miscellaneous requests added to SRG, then we should add a section to cater for these occasional requests.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. Ruslik (talk) 12:30, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
We have SRM. As the header of this noticeboard says (even in bold), "[t]his is not the place for stewards requests". --Vogone (talk) 15:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, though it has become the de facto place for different requests in lieu of other components, especially as SRM has trended to be more about global sysop actions at local wikis & less focused for stewards.  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Created a global filter section at SRG.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
That makes no sense. They should be on SRM, regardless of what else is done on SRM (where I see many non-GS requests, like OAuth and imports). --MF-W 16:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

My adminship at Finnish Wikinews[edit]

Hello,

I received a notification of my sysop rights being removed due to lack of activity. The situation is so that I am the only admin there and the community is very inactive. In this year, there have been no new news items at all. In the local Village Pump, there is a discussion of the closure of the wiki due to the unfortunate lack of activity of the project. I am not sure how we should proceed with the admin privileges in the near future. On the other hand, I am not active there (no one is anymore), but having no local admins while having the "edit" function available can attract all kinds of abuse. --ilmaisin (talk) 19:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

If you want to continue as an admin, you can just announce that on the appropriate community discussion or Requests for Adminship page. That should be sufficient. Apart from that however, you can be sure that the SWMT is also monitoring the wiki and will be able to deal with vandalism that might occur. You can also take into account in your decision that you apparently didn't have to use your admin rights in the past 2 years, even though you were the only admin. --MF-W 16:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Content dispute on test.wikipedia.org[edit]

Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Cross-wiki vandalism[edit]

We may need Steward assistance over at en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Zjec. The user has been using several IPs (all starting with 113.210...., save two IPv6's which start with 2001:E68:5400:2FB4...) to vandalize across at least three wikis. Gestrid (talk) 06:25, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I know this is not technically the right place, but I felt it wouldn't be beneficial to have two separate discussions (one here on meta and another on the SPI on enwiki) going on about the same topic. Gestrid (talk) 06:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Good thing is his IPs and its ranges are exposed wide open before SPI case is even started. This block log showed that User:Zjec did indeed used the IP range at one time. 203.106.141.142 06:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
  • I've contacted User:Bsadowski1 on IRC to request 3 weeks global block on Zjec's IP. 203.106.141.142 07:51, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
    • Note to stewards: please be skeptical of any requests by the above IP editor, who geolocates to the same ISP used by Zjec. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
      • Mr Bsadowski said that the range is too busy to block. 203.106.141.142 07:55, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment English checkusers have direct communication channels and a wiki shared with stewards. Unless it is an emergency, stewards do not act on English Wikipedia, so it would be unusual to need to ping them here as there is generally no requirement for enWP business.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Problem is, User:Billinghurst, this doesn't just effect enwiki. As I said, they're vandalizing on several wikis. I just pointed to the SPI because that is where all the information needed is. Gestrid (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
This user has been caught vandalizing on enwiki, frwiki, Simple Wikipedia, and Meta Wiki so far. Because this is cross-wiki vandalism, I believe it is appropriate that a steward is pinged in this situation. XboxGamer22408 (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Seems the user found how to find which projects I'm registered on and is leaving messages on all of my talk pages. He needs to go now before I have to clean up vandalism on all of those projects. Gestrid (talk) 16:29, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
He also left messages on my talk pages for the frwiki, Simple English Wikipedia, and Meta-Wiki, despite me never contributing to the frwiki, or the Simple English Wikipedia. At least his IP is rangeblocked now... XboxGamer22408 (talk) 17:57, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't think we should close off this discussion just yet. The rangeblock was a short one (six hours) and I suspect they'll be back as soon as their rangeblock is done. Gestrid (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)