Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Sources/Cycle 2/Spanish-speaking community - Telegram group

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name of group Spanish-speaking community
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# of participants in this discussion (a rough count) 30


Theme key
  1. Healthy, inclusive communities
  2. The augmented age
  3. A truly global movement
  4. The most trusted source of knowledge
  5. Engaging in the knowledge ecosystem
Questions key
  1. What impact would we have on the world if we follow this theme?
  2. How important is this theme relative to the other 4 themes? Why?
  3. Focus requires tradeoffs. If we increase our effort in this area in the next 15 years, is there anything we’re doing today that we would need to stop doing?
  4. What else is important to add to this theme to make it stronger?
  5. Who else will be working in this area and how might we partner with them?

Line Theme Question Summary Statement Keyword
1 C 3 User retention metrics can not be only for English projects, because it is a biased view. This causes many people to find difficult to identify with the Wikimedia achievements because these appear to be exclusively those of English speakers. Accessibility in emerging communities
2 A 4 We have to improve language diversity, because it is difficult for non English-speaking communities to share data or engage new people if most of the information is only in English. Diversity & inclusion
3 C 3 Today, those who speak better English in the movement have more representativeness and greater privileges than the others. This has to be changed. language, movement, diversity
4 C 3 It is pretty unfair that the information on meta has to be first published in English to be translated to other languages later. languages, meta
5 A 3 It is true that there must be a common language that allows fluent communications, but it should not be a language imposed to the community. Internal communication
6 C 1 It is perfectly possible to have simultaneous translation in several languages on the Wikimedia global conferences. Availability across languages
7 C 3 English remains as a de facto language because it is comfortable for many First World participants who are in a privileged position. Emerging communities
8 C 4 We should establish an "English Friendly Policy" which recommends speakers at the movement conferences to speak slowly, not using local words, gags and jokes and explaining the complex concepts. Availability across languages
9 C 3 There must also be a greater effort from the WMF staff to speak plain and simple English, so all those who speak medium English can understand without feeling intimidated. While it is understandable that the language of communication is the English, this attitude does not help those who do not have English proficient skills. Availability across languages
10 C 3 Even when affiliates make the effort to request grants in English, the WMF staff sometimes has criticized the writing, especially for being "too metaphorical". Availability across languages
11 C 3 Although English Wikipedia is the most developed one, it is a mistake to assume that all of its contents are superior to other languages. Outreach & awareness
12 C 4 If we want to improve the language exchange, we need to improve the translation tool, which is currently infamous. Availability across languages
13 C 1 We must have, as a movement, a minority languages preservation role, and we should appoint language ambassadors to achieve representativeness at the organizational level. Emerging communities
14 A 3 There is a lack of agile community response and of specialized mechanisms and protocols to harassment/abuse complaints and internal alerts related to gender issues. There should be a specialized committee to address these issues. Community health
15 A 4 A protocol should be created for harassment victims can know what to do. I don't think a committee could be so effective. Community health
16 A 2 This issue is very important because the way we treat newcomers will increasingly define the life or death of the site. Community health
17 A 1 We need to make newcomers more aware of the platform, so the experienced users can help them rather than having high expectations of policy implementation. We should also recommend a series of friendly mini-tutorials for the moment an account is created. New users
18 A 3 Tutorials for new users should be improved, because they are not as user-friendly as they should be. New users
19 A 3 Some warning templates that are aggressive to many users should be modified (mainly editing test or vandalism templates, since these actions are sometimes made due to ignorance rather than vandalism). Internal communication
20 B 1 The movement should try to embrace a bit more technologies and platforms other than MediaWiki. Interesting things could be made if we open ourselves to new ideas, for example, gamification Innovation, Expanding to other medias
21 B 1 Tools and software need to be improved to facilitate the guiding process from the moment of account registration. IRC is very useful for solving problems quickly and we could take advantage of it. Innovation
22 B 3 IRC is not friendly at all, so features more similar to social networks should be implemented, which are familiar to different target audiences. Adapting to technological context
23 A 3 The templates texts are received as cryptic messages that slow participation. Some people have commented that they entered on a continous loop because they didn't understand what was asked and finally they abandoned because the experience was too unpleasant. Internal communication
24 B 4 I propose to directly use social media like Facebook and Twitter. If we are realistic, people use them more than anything, and they know how to use them. If we implement communication channels managed by volunteers there, people would have it much easier. Adapting to technological context
25 B 1 By 2030 the smartphone as a device will be on the path to extinction. The devices will be something like Google Glass, and the goal is that Wikipedia will be the favorite information provider. Adapting to technological context
26 B 1 For the augmented age I think we should get to places and objects with new technologies like augmented and virtual reality, and loading content on demand (or using physical tags). Adapting to technological context
27 B 1 I don't know where technology goes, but we must make sure that our content always will be machine-readable by using free formats. Accessibility of content
28 B 1 We have to make sure that current contents remain valid and adapt them to the new medias without losing the old ones. Expanding to other medias
29 B 1 Wikimedia has remained in time, perhaps a little disagreeable to aesthetic parameters, thanks to the open construction of its internal processes. Accessibility of content
30 B 3 It is necessary to watch over the net neutrality, because it is related to access, knowledge and affordability barriers for Wikipedia consumption. Accessibility of content
31 B 1 We must aim to maximize Wikidata to ensure that the information we publish is as accessible as possible (to AI and humans). Accessibility of content
32 B 5 Wikimedia should remain as a complement to search engines rather than trying to replace them -- The trend is working on standards that work in the most common solutions, rather than exhausting efforts and resources to add something already existing to the ecosystem. Innovation
33 B 3 The social media use is vital to attract new people. If there is low retention it is precisely because we expect newcomers to adapt to an unfriendly platform, rather than adapting the interface to the new times. Expanding to other medias
34 B 3 Saying that the interface is outdated is not exaggerated. Monobook started in 2004 and Vector in 2010 -- We are talking about 13 years with almost the same GUI and 7 years with the same GUI. Innovation
35 A 3 The main challenges for newcomers are: (1) how to start a new article and (2) how to deal with the community and its infinite standards and impatience. New users
36 A 3 While we can all edit Wikipedia, it remains as the project of a few people. It is wrong to think so, but I honestly think it isn't an extremely inclusive project. Diversity & inclusion
37 D 1 I'm concerned with the attribution issues, or rather the lack of it. I have seen whole articles in the media and even academic theses and published books that are textual copies of Wikipedia. Open source
38 B 3 The user sandbox use is not sufficiently documented, because it is relatively recent, and the tutors system could also give a turn around. Accessibility of content
39 B 1 Eradicating vandalism in an free editing environment - even by IPs - is impossible. The vandalism is also used to test. Quality content
40 B 4 ORES, an API that uses artificial intelligence to catalog editions on Wikimedia is invaluable for combating vandalism. Quality content, Innovation
41 B 4 The vandalism and technology issue is complicated. Bots don't detect the same thing as a human and often reverses good editions. That is something that technology and AI should aim at -- improving the level of vandalism recognition. Quality content
42 B 1 The use of technology to help newcomers has already been done with the Visual Editor. We have to move in the same direction. Innovation
43 B 1 ORES is the future regarding the vandalism detection and also other metrics related to the articles quality. I believe that the technology proposal has to go in the sense of appropriating these tools, develop them and reduce manual work. Quality content, Innovation
44 B 4 It is important to preserve anonymity, it is easier to avoid some prejudices and the tracking the online activities that happens in many places. Anonymity
45 B 4 Wikipedia is one of the internet projects that demonstrate how anonymity is an enabler of freedom and knowledge. It must be preserved and defended in the coming years. Anonymity
46 B 4 Wikipedia should, in the next 15 years, defend the anonymity election of his/her collaborators and editors. It should also further ensure the privacy issues in difficult contexts or in issues that an independent community body could consider that jeopardize the integrity of some contributor. Anonymity
47 B 4 Anonymity also limits liability. The WMF is one of the most transparent and accountable internet organizations and details of the processes behind a probable release of information from judicial authorities that need it. Anonymity
48 B 4 We put at risk our encyclopedia's advantages which is the contribution of divergent visions and versions that would be difficult to contrast/visibilize in a physical space, if we end up repeating only the official truths for fear of local censorship -- That is why anonymity is so useful. Anonymity
49 C 1 Focus our efforts to communities that we haven't yet reached don't mean imposing our criteria/history, but fundamentally listening to them. That all the voices are represented in articles. Emerging communities
50 C 2 This theme is central to Latin America and our community. I believe that many of us don't agree with the movement being inclusive for a variety of reasons. Outreach & awareness
51 C 1 The movement is quite inclusive, with certain exceptions. It seems to me that it reaches quite interesting extremes trying to get people to participate regardless of their particular characteristics. Outreach & awareness
52 C 3 There is a very strong implicit exclusion for different reasons, mainly for linguistical and technical skills (we assume that we all understand the intricacies of wiki navigation). Other are more obvious issues, such as discrimination against women or minorities. This movement is anglo/eurocentric, white, masculine, and people with high levels of digital literacy. Outreach & awareness
53 C 4 It is necessary the WMF to make a differentiation in which different types of actions and efforts are made in certain parts of the world rather than others -- not in a "colonialist" (global north/south) way, but something it comes from the roots. Emerging communities
54 C 1 I think the movement is global, and if not is not because of the movement itself. WMF or volunteers can't avoid the social and economical inequalities existing in the world -- I just hope that this gaps will be reduced by 2030. Emerging communities
55 C 3 I don't share the idea that exclusions are due to reasons unrelated to the movement. In my experience discrimination is permanent and is not the fault of a group of "rotten apples". The most paradigmatic case is the gender gap. Wikipedia is sexist and in many occasions -not always- misogynistic. Sustainability & growth
56 C 1 I think that from forms to conferences help the WMF tries to make visible that we are different but we can work together -- without it being perfect. Outreach & awareness
57 C 2 The movement is inclusive in its foundational basis, and it is strategically important to defend such characteristics in a changing environment as internet, which tends to the closed models and excessive monetization. Defending the "anyone-can-edit" openness and anonymity should be a non-negotiable principle. Sustainability & growth
58 C 5 To achieve this theme, dialogues with both other social movements and international organizations must be expanded to distribute funds for projects that take effective action to change the situation. Achievement
59 C 3 Just as English can be an enabler of a great movement and an effective vehicle of communication, it can also be a big reason of participation's exclusion/inhibition, in both face-to-face and online events. Availability across languages
60 C 4 We should replicate the on-screen transcription in real time used on international conferences, also transcriptions, etherpads or simultaneous translation into four or five languages. Availability across languages
61 C 3 I also consider as a priority to create a program of equity promotion in the Wikimedia movement. I have done a list of how many women and men have leadership roles in organizations. As you can see, much remains to be done. Sustainability & growth
62 D 1 This theme is important because it is the basis of the reason of being of Wikipedia. For this, editors must be well trained. Therefore the key would be in the creation of didactic materials that teach the encyclopedic writing keys and the selection of reliable reference sources as main axes. Reliability & credibility
63 D 1 It is impressive how the content improves gradually without guidance, and I think it would be much better if everyone received some tutorial, with the possibility to ask more questions and learn more. This is directly related to "the augmented age". Quality content
64 D 4 I think a deep discussion about what is a reliable source and which sources should Wikipedia accept is needed. There are always discrepancies about reliability and verifiability over sources and no agreement. Reliability & credibility
65 D 5 I think a good idea is to do something like the Educational Program, but oriented to higher-education institutions (research institutes, councils). In Mexico we have worked with these institutes, where they learn that a) the writing model is different, and b) it is difficult to learn it, then they become aware and change their perception. Reliability & credibility
66 D 4 The topic of use of the sources is important, considering that Wikipedia is a tertiary source. This means that you should not write about things published only by a primary source, but should wait for a secondary source to address it. Reliability & credibility
67 E 2 It is the most important theme. Importance
68 E 1 I think that Wikipedia is a widely used resource in the classroom, and its use will increase over time. However, this will be linked to the previous theme of "The most respected source of knowledge". Education
69 E 1 Education can be a driver of change, schools are a niche to combat inequality and gaps. I think Wikipedia can be a vehicle for developing skills, especially soft ones, and developing critical thinking for the future of children. Education
70 E 1 The focus of future education is that the student should be able to correctly identify the sources, and Wikipedia can cooperate with that rather than being a repository of information. Education
71 E 1 This topic is not tied to Wikimedia's role in education exclusively. The "knowledge ecosystem" involves a variety of actors: not only academic entities but sectors of civil society, governments, and leading institutions in art, culture, science, and technology. Institutions
72 A-B 2 The most important issues that the Wikimedia movement must face are those of healthy, inclusive communities and the augmented age. I realize that we need a safer and more friendly space so that people can cooperate with the Foundation's projects, as well as providing new storage and deployment technologies for the new media we are generating as humanity. Importance
73 A 2 I choose a truly global movement and healthy, inclusive communities in the first place. Because without them the rest would be meaningless; those are the starting point for accessing the others. Importance
74 A 2 I agree that theme A is the most important. This point seems to me to be the main one in order to continue. Importance

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