Talk:Community Wishlist/W87

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Theoretisch super,

wenn Alternativschreibungen angeboten würden, die Suche assoziieren und suggerieren könnte. Nur nehme ich an, dass die Vorschlagsmaschine dazu mehrfach potenzierte Rechenpower benötigen würde. Keine Ahnung, ob das umsetzbar wäre, vielleicht eher später mit besserer AI. Wäre aber vor allem bei alternativen Namensschreibungen schon ein Fortschritt, wobei diese über wikidata eigtl genutzt werden müssten, aber vielleicht durch z.B. Category: die Suche schon derartig eingeschränkt ist, dass sie nicht mehr zum Tragen kommen (?) und man daher vermutlich allgemein suchen muss, um dann erst zu Kategorien zu kommen. Oder in einem zweiten Fenster über den Kategorienbaum. MenkinAlRire (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Qaswa can you clarify WHERE you are searching for a category ? Because there are many places and tools where you can enter a category name, and each of them can have differing support for being able to detect things like 'typos' in a category name. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@TheDJ there is a misunderstanding. The problem is not to find typos in category names, instead if you search a suitable category you might spell a name incorrect or in an another language or in an alternative spelling, and the search seems not to help and provide suitable suggestions. The same with 'what comes first', e.g. "Category:Albrecht Dürer engravings" doesn't lead to c:Engravings by Albrecht Dürer, medium/object/... precedes creator. I can't say if its a rule or not, but if you search for an artist's work it can be frustrating using the search engine. I know, that there are workarounds, such as searching for "creator:..." first, then see what sub-cats there are, or search w/o "category:". But the search isn't strong in giving smart suggestions, yet. With the advancement of AI it will probably get better, but in the meantime you often have to search yourself. MenkinAlRire (talk) 18:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

So… on Commons, you are using the general search at the top. You are entering “Albrecht Dürer engravings”, select “Category and pages” and the searchresults do not include a link to the category “Engravings by Albrecht Dürer”. Is that what you mean ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I first had came up with the example of 'Queen Elisabeth's hats', but astonishingly there is no category for them. So I took an example that I know of, and tried it out. It is exactly like you have understood it. The c:Engravings by Albrecht Dürer exists, but does not appear in the suggestions, only others which can lead to it indirectly via several steps.

My experience is, that 'medium/object/... precedes creator' is sort of the rule, so maybe if the search suggestions could include resp. translate the inversions so to say, would be of some help and cover at least some part of the problem.

Names are usually specific, although different spellings are not uncommon, but certainly not for cities or states. But medium/object/... can be called by many names, e.g. Portals as Doors, Engravings as Prints or Intaglios, Hats as Headpieces etc, the variety is certainly less specific, so that for (especially less experienced) users it can be a frustrating hurdle to not get obvious answers, e.g. for 'Dürer's engravings', of which you are absolutely sure that they exist and have be found Commons. Similarly there naming conventions and conventions in naming a category, e.g. York Cathedral or, object first, Cathedral in/of York - actually it is York Minster (via redirect in en:WP), buried in a cat-tree, where it says: "York Minster is a cathedral"; Portals of churches in Italy or Church portals (or doors) in Italy, or even Doors of Italian churches (or 'in'?). It can be really puzzling to get the right category name with the rather strict search engine, dependent prominently on the first word. MenkinAlRire (talk) 12:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)