Talk:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Including media files set on Wikidata item in Wikipedia articles across languages by default

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How it could be implemented & Suggested Edits

Mentioned this here at Growth/Personalized first day/Structured tasks/Add an image because I think it would be a better approach than Suggested Edits for Add an image while these two approaches could be complementary.

The most straightforward way for the proposal could be implemented would be to display the image(s) and video(s) set on the corresponding Wikidata item on the articles if not included otherwise. It could be shown below the lead and users could then remove or move these files. If a language qualifier is set then only the file with the language matching the WP language would be added. This would also make it more dynamic and enable more media to be shown in the proposed Machine Translated Wikipedia where it would use the file of whatever language is in the qualifier. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Unarchive?

@JWheeler-WMF: Could this be unarchived?.

1. Several Wikipedias already include media included in these fields by default (however it could be more and those that have these could use them more, e.g. by adding them to pages by default) and I linked one example but there are many more
2. Given that we have policies in place to not automatically write content to wikipedia pages Given point #1 and also in general I doubt this is the case – are you maybe only referring to English Wikipedia? Link?
3. The media files could be added only after e.g. one month; the by default part is kind of imprecise but you may have thought this is about directly adding any media there to the pages while one could implement things like a bot that imports the media after the file has been in the WD item for a month and has passed an additional month in some preview only logged in users could see during which they could simply remove it if not useful (and it would also show on the Watchlist).

All in all while there may be issues with the proposal I think these could be addressed and that it shouldn't be archived even if you currently consider it unlikely for this to be implemented. Maybe it could be categorized as unlikely or difficult to implement. I think it would place too much of a burden on volunteers to have all the media added with nearly no automation, especially considering there's over 300 language versions and these often only have the media that the article happens to have started out with. Again, this seems to already get implemented but just at a much smaller and less ideal/optimized way than what's proposed here. And I don't know of a structured task that suggests media set in the Wikidata item, or at least I couldn't find here. Even if the proposal exactly as proposed or as vague as proposed can't be implemented, I think it would be good to have it findable so this can be found and discussed. It's more like an outline of the problem and a rough sketch of how it could be addressed. Prototyperspective (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there already exist templates that include various media files by default - but these are added by the community, and to me at least the wish sounds like you're proposing that the WMF should automatically write media content to wikipedia pages, and then community members can delete it if they want. As a general rule the Wikimedia Foundation does not write or edit, so we cannot do that. But perhaps I'm misconstruing the wish?

Image suggestions aren't enabled on all wikis just yet, but we're working on it. You can see them on, for example, portuguese wikipedia here. You can see more technical background here and here. CParle (WMF) (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

the wish sounds like you're proposing that the WMF should automatically write media content to wikipedia pages, and then community members can delete it if they want Well then that's a misunderstanding, that's not what the wish is proposing. Thanks for explaining what I asked about at #2.

I think this could be developed also by volunteers and be decided on by the communities. Changing MediaWiki to display media in Wikidata is not 'writing or editing' and it could also be developed by nonWMF volunteers and any way it could be done could have community/ies consensus. I don't think it's really implementable with just templates though and there is a large overlap with Community Wishlist/Wishes/Suggest media set in Wikidata items for their Wikipedia articles so well fine if you keep it archived but then I think the other proposal shouldn't be set to "Delivered" when it's not delivered at all (but only apparently planned or under development). With an approach of just suggesting media but not doing anything if nobody acts on these suggestions I see two issues:

• there's many language version Wikipedias, some of them are really small with few active contributors
• even for the largest ones there's probably not enough volunteers doing these tasks for things to be added at scale (in addition it would be a large timesink)

Partly due to that I think just suggesting is not enough, a bot which could also be coded by volunteers should I think add them to the article after some duration as described in option #4 there. Consider how much time people spent to add media to Wikidata items and just imagine that time times 100 (lang count) times 3 (takes longer to add it to WP) for adding each of the media into the WPs via suggestions. One reason I had just showing suggestions in the options of "Technical ways to implement this" was because there was this separate proposal about ways they are shown by default but, especially since that is now archived, some media adding if nobody acts on the suggestion (like declining a talk page post) is kind of part of the proposal.

In short, could you please change the status of the other wish to 'Open' (or maybe 'Planned/Under development' despite that it seems like only a part of it is being developed)? The info about it partly being developed could be added to its top. Prototyperspective (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

If we're not talking about explicitly writing media files into wikitext, but rather just about showing related media on a page, then the ViewIt tool does exactly this. Right now it's a user script rather than a gadget, but it could conceivably be "promoted" to being a gadget ... however like a bot this is something that the community rather than the WMF would handle (see here)

@SuperHamster as someone who works on ViewIt perhaps you'd care to comment? CParle (WMF) (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh and sorry if you already know this, but if it was gadget rather than a user script then it could be enabled by default on a wiki CParle (WMF) (talk) 15:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that is relevant here. However, I think it could probably at most only be used for this here as there are two differences:

1. this isn't about only showing media to people who have some gadget enabled but to all readers
2. more importantly this is not about showing any media for pages but the well-selected one or few media file(s) set on the Wikidata item. So for example a panel of media files wouldn't be the right approach as it's usually just one and sometimes 2 or up to 5 files.

Nevertheless, maybe people who are interested in or are developing the ViewIt tool may also be interested in what I was proposing and possibly the tool could be extended or forked to instead show the one or few media files set on the Wikidata item. If that version or part works well it could then maybe become a default gadget which I think means also users who are not logged in would see these on the page. I'll probably ask at the ViewIt tool. Prototyperspective (talk) 18:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)