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New Diff post pitch[edit]

Hi, I'd like to contribute a piece on Diff sharing the experience from finishing a recent project to record pronunciations of 50K (now over 53K and growing) words in the Odia language, which also includes over 3.5K words in the northern dialect of Odia, and all the recordings are available under CC0 1.0 License (equivalent to Public Domain). This also happens to be the largest voice data in the language in any open license, and by that definition, under Public Domain. The project involved building: a. unique wordlist through a series of interconnected processes (web-scraping, crowdsourcing, encoding conversion of text typed using legacy encoding systems and cleaning up such data partly through manual and partly through semi-automated workflows), b. expanding headwords/lemmas into forms using concatenation forumae, and c. recording forms, and d. now getting into entering the lemmas (along with definitions and forms) into Wikidata lexeme. I think the tips based on the learning and the overall strategy might be of use for the wider community, especially languages with complex scripts and other non-Latin based languages, and low-resource languages. Would love to hear any inputs and the next steps. Thanks in advance! Psubhashish (talk) 05:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Psubhashish. That is a wonderful pitch idea. I agree that the learnings of the project would be useful to others in the movement. As a first step, I suggest starting a draft blog post. You can do this as a wiki page somewhere, a google doc, or in Diff itself. Right now there's a bug effecting Diff so I might suggest a Meta page or sharable doc first until this issue is resolved. You'll need a good headline, a photo or image to go along with the post and let us know how authorship should be assigned. We have some outlines that might be helpful in structuring a post too. Once you have a draft ready, please reach out, either here on the talk page or at diff(_AT_) and we can help from there! Chris Koerner (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@User:CKoerner (WMF), great then. Thanks for sharing these details. They are very helpful as things have changed a lot since I last contributed (that was when Diff was Wikimedia Blog!). I will draft and connect soon. TGIF! --Psubhashish (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New feature?[edit]

Clicking on the Diff link, it automatically sends me to the Italian version, Now, I wouldn't know how many people in the same situation would figure that those I am seeing (mostly, old articles) are mostly translations and that the English version features waaay more content. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great minds think alike. We're working on a set of updates that will do a few things in this regard. One, when viewing a language version of the site that is not English we want to show that there are other posts in English. So for example, you can be looking at the Italian version of the site, see all the posts that have an Italian version and the English posts for those that are not translated. Second is figuring out a way to better highlight to readers that articles can be translated. Right now there are quite a few steps involved. Maybe a notice at the bottom of every article without a translation? Or a notification when the browser language is set to another language other than English when viewing a post in English? We're still thinking on this one. Third, we want to make it easier for folks to make translations. Ideally they would see the invite to translate, click a button to login and then have a copy of the article they were just reading in the editor ready to translate. Fourth, somewhat related, the Foundation – as you may know :) – is trying to be better in sending out major announcements in multiple languages, not just English. Chris Koerner (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 21:11, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Wiki loves... challenges etc. to calendar?[edit]

Hi diff team, I was wondering if it would be possible to also add the different Wiki Loves challenges to the diff calender. It would be great if we could have all the things happening in the movement in one place (especially because the diff calender can be added to my google agenda)! Also, how do I add an event to the calender and what are the requirements? Best wishes, MichellevL (WMNL) (talk) 06:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao MichellevL (WMNL)! Not on Diff team, but I bet Diff (blog)/Calendar has everything you were looking for and more? Best, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 12:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Elitre (WMF) you stole my thunder! :) That page is a great resource. We also have some practical instructions on how to use the calendar on Diff itself. @MichellevL (WMNL), these Wiki Loves challenges are more than welcome to be added to the calendar. What a great idea! If the documentation isn't clear or the software gives you any trouble, please feel free to reach out. Chris Koerner (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @User:Elitre (WMF) and User:CKoerner (WMF), thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I will add the challenges. Best wishes, MichellevL (WMNL) (talk) 06:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Permanent index of posts on Meta?[edit]

I like the small infobox of recent posts. Could we generate a permanent archive of post titles / authors / dates? That would add useful context to some meta searches, and provide a nice view of the Diff flow over time. –SJ talk  14:31, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sj, interesting idea. I mean, it's just the small matter of programming. :) Is the idea here that Wikimedians might be searching using the Meta search box on a topic/subject and not find what would be on Diff? I wonder if we'd ever get to the idea of showing Diff results alongside on-wiki search results like we do across projects. Ah, one can dream. Chris Koerner (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 16:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CKoerner - Yes, exactly that! Motivated by all this recent talk about new Forums and the increasing fragmentation of "where people write" [we write more than ever, but less and less of it is on a single coherent project -- we have 1000 projects, 1000 off-wiki side projects, everyone also uses Google Docs and Etherpad and personal outliners, &c].
I think we're actually running out of time to cohere our different streams of writing and thinking: I already see each month people working on the same projects who don't know one another exist, or talking past one another, or publishing papers that aren't aware of the state of the art on [one of our wikis].
Unified search is great. Unified RecentChanges likewise. A single meta-space that summarizes the brilliant outpourings on Diff is also good and that (and the updates to it visible in the feed) would serve as a nice window into it for those who don't realize it exists. This also helps ensure people know to track down the Diff original if it ever goes offline. (I think of anything other than Meta our core [mostly wiki] projects that are upgraded and archived together as 10x to 100x less archival: it will disappear once the maintainer goes away, be hosted on a dark server on an under-recognized format, be invisible to researchers mining the archives or people using Search APIs, &c. Most of our non-mediawiki side projects eventually go dark in this way, not unlike the web itself, unfortunately). –SJ talk  20:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, @Sj, you nerd sniped me. :) Here's a first go at an archive. I'll commit updating this every quarter as we move forward. I'll talk more with my team to see if we have any resources that can improve on this and maybe automate it.
This was a fun problem to tackle. I had to use a command line utility to export the data from Diff's database and clean it up with some spreadsheet magic. Getting other metadata (like the author) is a bit more tricky (as those are stored as ID values).
"I already see each month people working on the same projects who don't know one another exist, or talking past one another, or publishing papers that aren't aware of the state of the art on [one of our wikis]."
This is one of the reasons I personally work hard on Diff. I like to think of it as a way of bringing together all the great work folks are doing and sharing it with others that might not be aware!
Thanks again for the suggestion and your encouragement. Chris Koerner (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 18:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hurrah! I love it :) Now I can also watchlist that page as a reminder to browse. –SJ talk  19:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This blog seems to be quite hidden.[edit]

I came across Diff from a tweet, but as far as I can tell, there's no links to it from the main Wikimedia site or Meta. Considering this is a blog from the communications department, I feel it should be a bit more visible than that. KaraLG84 (talk) 23:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@KaraLG84: There are tons of them, actually. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 23:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the support @NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh.I'd love to take credit for all those links, but I can't. Diff has the archive of all Wikimedia blog posts going back to 2008. :)
@KaraLG84, I’d love to hear any suggestions for improvement. One thing we have planned in this coming year is to figure out a way to highlight Diff posts (and Diff itself) better. One thing we’re working on is how to pull relevant blog posts from Diff onto the Foundation site. Not all of them, as many are very inward-facing to activity within in the movement, but those posts that might be useful to folks reading about Wikimedia on the Foundation site. We're also talking about how we might better introduce Diff into different regions of the world with events and partnerships with user groups and affiliates. It's probably a bit of work, but I'd love to see the RSS extension expanded so folks could customize a feed of information from Diff to display on-wiki (like you see on the Diff (blog) page. Maybe it could be filtered by category, or author, or even language‽ Again, if you have suggestions or ideas, please let us know. Chris Koerner (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 16:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]