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Requests for update

Sinhala Wikinews

I request an update of Language_committee/Status/wn/si. Following items has been completed since last time:

  • all MediaWiki messages
  • main extensions used by Wikimedia Foundation wikis

In addition, we have gathered sufficient number of native editors of the language and developed an active test project. Take them too into notice when updating Language_committee/Status/wn/si. --Budhajeewa 05:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Lezgia Wikipedia

I request an update of Language committee/Status/wp/lez The preceding unsigned comment was added by 109.252.134.40 (talk • contribs) 05:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

What has changed that needs to be updated? Antony D. Green 19:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Already upgraded. And when will be approved by the lezghin раздел. All criteria OK.Namik555 14:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Please check your user talk page. SPQRobin (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I request an update of Language committee/Status/wp/lez Namik555 20:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Nothing can be updated. The activity by you is very good, but we need to see several people active on the test wiki. Otherwise, when you would leave the wiki, nobody would still edit the project. SPQRobin (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I beg to approve the lezgin wikipedia ; as many of the lezgins do not know about the project, and if there was a full version. The number of participants will increase because a lot of the lezgins use of the Russian wikipedia and they will be linked. Namik555 14:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I request an update of Language committee/Status/wp/lez Namik555 19:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Hungarian Wikiversity

A big hungarian team at University of Pannonia (Veszprém, Hungary) would like to start the hungarian wikiversity with lot of new features, like a mindmap based topic pages and livechat option on discussion page and with lot of media files. It will be merging a project of our university (making a hungarian version of Khan Academy and other educational films) and an failed project (called Unipedia) which was also based on mindmapping. We are sure it will be a very good project. Now we have lot of editors, who wants to work. We asking for the hu.wikiversity.org and wikiversity.hu domains to start the project quickly. Thank you for your help! - Mate Forgacs (coordinator) Matteo55 22:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Replied at Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Hungarian. Thanks for the reminder. --Amir E. Aharoni 07:55, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

inactive projects

I know that earlier, in 2007/2008, proposals used to be closed if there was no activity at all on the proposal, and nobody contributing to Incubator or similar. But now, I see that this is no longer done, instead all requests are kept open. I think this is bad, as it makes the main page Requests for new languages very unwieldy and hard to navigate. Is there a reason why inactive proposals are no longer closed? -- Prince Kassad 20:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Veps Wikipedia

Hi! I'd like to ask, is it possible to change in the Veps Request "discussion" to "verification"?--Andrijko Z. 14:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the reminder, and sorry for taking so much time to do it. --Amir E. Aharoni 07:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Latgalian Wikipedia

Dear Administration, I ask you to look at Latgalian Wikipedia request (status) and give your opinion what we should do to get final decision status. Thanks! --Dark Eagle 10:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. --Amir E. Aharoni 07:41, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Chinese

All translation of MediaWiki & extensions messages is done. Can it be submit to the next step or somethings goes wrong? --Waihorace 00:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

It is very good that all required messages have been translated. You should now focus on an active test project on BetaWikiversity (but also maintain translations when there are new/changed messages). Regards, SPQRobin (talk) 16:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Albanian Wikinews

I request an update of Language_committee/Status/wn/sq. All required messages have been translated.--Olsihysa 16:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Updated. SPQRobin (talk) 17:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Please revise policy to allow simple language wikipedias in non-English languages

I'm copying this back from the archives because I wish that it still be considered as a pending request to the Committee, and so that I can link to it from Proposals for more female editors. James Salsman 22:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

It seems absurd and unfair that English is the only language with a simple wikipedia edition. Please explore the proposal of establishing simple editions for all wikipedias with as many articles as the English wikipedia had when the simple English wikipedia was started. What are the advantages and drawbacks? 71.198.176.22 22:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I was under the impression that the "standard" Chinese wikis used simplified Chinese characters, versus more complicated variants. Would this count as a similar case? Kylu 23:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
No, the character set doesn't correspond to limiting the reading grade level. It is possible to write complicated statements about genetics, advanced mathematics, or advanced chemistry, for example, in either the simplified or traditional Chinese character sets, or in the orthogonally different dialects of Chinese like Mandarin and Cantonese. 71.198.176.22 23:35, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Per simple:Simple English Wikipedia, the Simple English Wikipedia started in 2004 when the English Wikipedia had 150,000 articles. It looks like between one and two dozen wikipedias have that many articles today. Concerning the practical matter of domain names, perhaps we could alias simple.wikipedia.org to the new name en-simple.wikipedia and use de-einfache.wikipedia as an alias for einfache.wikipedia (Simple German Wikipedia) so that people looking at the domain names would be able to see their language codes. There would be a problem with Spanish, which could be es-simple.wikipedia but would conflict in the namespace with simple.wikipedia. In such cases a synonym might be useful. If I knew Spanish I might be able to assess which of fácil.wikipedia or facil.wikipedia would be better. In such cases an extra domain such as es-facil.wikipedia might be useful to avoid confusion. 71.198.176.22 00:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to address the idea of simple wikis as a whole (I'm against the existence of any of them), but I'll comment on the proposed domain names. We shouldn't use domain names like that, because that's just confusion/conflicts waiting to happen... if anything, we should do en.simple.wikipedia or simple.en.wikipedia. Cbrown1023 talk 19:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
The latter of those two possibilities looks good because it would allow for parsimony with e.g. enfache.de.wikipedia and simple.es.wikipedia, whereas the former would not. I like the latter of your domain name ideas better than any of mine.
Why are you opposed to any simple wikipedias? If we want everyone to be able to share in the sum of all knowledge, it seems that people at a less advanced reading level ought to be included too, doesn't it? 71.198.176.22 22:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a great idea -- in that we need simple-language versions of all articles in all major languages. The idea of making this happen through a separate wikiproject, rather than as a variation (imagine: a new namespace) within the dominant wikiproject in that language, hasn't been very successful with simple-english. So perhaps we should try something new. Whether we should also make the main page in simplified form available through its own shorthand url -- a bit of url-redirection slight of hand -- is a separate issue. But I agree with your general point on the value of such projects for an important audience, especially in areas where literacy at all ages is a key issue. SJ · talk | translate 12:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Here, here, for new namespaces! Almost always a rather more practical solution than whole new wikis.--Pharos 14:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Is there a prototype for doing this somewhere? What are the steps which would need to be done to add these namespaces? Should the Simple English Wikipedia be folded into an enwiki namespace? (And why hasn't the simple English Wikipedia been successful? It always seems satisfactory when I search it.) 71.198.176.22 19:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

SJ, I spoke with Danese about the possibility of using namespace or subarticle-related configurations so that people on a wikipedia who wished to follow both the primary article and its simple counterpart on their watchlists could do so. Do you have any further thoughts on how that might be accomplished? James Salsman 22:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Update?

Can someone please provide an update on this? I believe I read that the French Wikipedia (or German? Spanish?) had found a way to do this unobtrusively with namespaces, which would not require provisioning new wikis, databases, or servers, but I am not sure of the details. See also [1], [2], and their threads, [3], [4], and http://xkcd.com/547/ James Salsman 22:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Greek Wikinews

I request an update of Language_committee/Status/wn/el as regarding the criterion of the activity of the Wn/el test wiki, which is active almost for 4 months and is going to continue like that. We are also trying to attract new users and editors with some encouraging results so far. Significant progress has being made also with the translation of main extensions messages used by Wikimedia Foundation that we hope soon to be completed. Please update our status. Glavkos 22:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

The translation of main extensions used by Wikimedia Foundation wikis in Greek language has been completed Glavkos 17:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Bulgarian

All translation of MediaWiki & extensions messages is done. Can it be submit to the next step? --Stanqo 11:18, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Not all has been translated. But more importantly, the activity of the test wiki is rather low. There should be several active contributors (see latest activity). SPQRobin (talk) 19:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Accountability

I noticed this edit, apparently made by someone present at the ongoing Wikimedia Conference 2011. Does it mean that the Language committee no longer reports to the Wikimedia Board of Trustees? Whom is it accountable to currently? Regards, HaeB 14:52, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

As a member of the Language committee, I can say that we do report to the Board. Each approval is reported to the Board before it is finally approved (They can veto our decision but as far as I know they haven't done that yet). The edit was made by an anonymous user and has been reverted. SPQRobin (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Missing request pages for 11 Cameroon wikipedias

We had a workshop today with some 30 participants (N) who worked on wikipedias for 11 Cameroon languages. All of them created a request page (wikipedia_ISO) and I've seen these pages saved. Now no one of these pages is still visible at the meta. What's happen? Are they strored at the wrong place? Please try to restablish the pages! Thanks

Here comes the list of the languages:


UJung 20:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

They did not disappear, the pages names were different (for example, Requests for new languages/wikipedia name instead of Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Name). I have added links to the request pages next to your links. Two of them have not been created. SPQRobin (talk) 14:38, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Simple German

Hey, uh, I need to tell you that on Simple English Wikipedia (Really, we have a mind of our own, too!) we think that there should be a Simple German. It's a very hard language, and even though I am learning it (I am excellent in English, it's my primary language, and German is my secondary language, I need a TRANSLATOR to understand what the heck they're saying) I need a Simple German. Click this link to see the thread. And please, put a Simple German down, it's a very hard language. Ian.bjorn 23:04, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

First, the language committee does not start a new language edition on its own. Interested users should start a test project and when the LangCom thinks it is ready, we can approve it. Secondly, the current policy does not allow for wikis in "Simple" language versions. The Simple English wikis were created before this policy was introduced. SPQRobin (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Mycenaean language

Please can you put in this list the Mycenaean Greek (Μυκηναϊκή) (gmy) gmy.wikipedia.org?--Teomatra 12:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I have put it in the list Requests for new languages. SPQRobin (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikisource Wawa

Can someone add in Requests for new languages/Wikisource Wawa please? April Regina 21:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Added to requests for new languages. SPQRobin (talk) 23:23, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Croatian Wikinews

All MediaWiki messages & main extensions used by Wikimedia Foundation wikis are now translated. Can someone update this page?--Anton 008 09:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Updated. Regards, SPQRobin (talk) 20:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Korean

It looks enough to make ko.wikiversity.org, isn't it? --Zepelin 09:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

The required messages are all translated, but the activity of the Korean Wikiversity test project is low. SPQRobin (talk) 20:54, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I think so, but the official project would help to grow Korean wikiversity. Would you let me know the activity enough to make ko.wikiversity.org? --Zepelin 01:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I know, but sometimes users leave the project when it is created, so we need to be sure the activity is sufficient. You can see the latest activity here. When there are at least three active, not-grayed-out editors for the following months, then you can ask us to approve it (or if I notice it, I can propose to approve it). SPQRobin (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Problem with CentralNotice and wikis with bogus language codes

Right now CentralNotice allows administrators to target banner campaigns to any of the content languages supported by MediaWiki. Unfortunately, how these content languages map to actual wikis is not obvious, and can be unexpected. Some examples:

  • Campaigns targetted to 'be-x-old' will not show up on be-x-old.wikipedia.org
  • Campaigns targetted to 'simple' will not show up on simple.wikipedia.org, but will show up on simple.wiktionary.org
  • Campaigns targetted to 'en' will show up on en.wikipedia.org and simple.wikipedia.org, but not simple.wiktionary.org

I talked with GerardM and Brion about this, and we all agreed that the easiest solution would be to forbid the use of "dummy languages" (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDummyLanguageCodes) as wiki content languages. Dummy languages are defined as languages that don't have a corresponding set of translated system messages and never will, usually because they map completely to another language, for example, simple -> en. If we do this, we can safely filter the languages in $wgDummyLanguageCodes from the language selection interface in CentralNotice, thus minimizing confusion. Kaldari 23:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

It looks like this would involve updating the following projects in InitialiseSettings.php:
  • simple.wiktionary.org -> en
  • simple.wikiquote.org -> en
  • bat-smg.wikipedia.org -> sgs
  • fiu-vro.wikipedia.org -> vro
  • iu.wikipedia.org -> ike-cans
  • iu.wiktionary.org -> ike-cans
Kaldari 01:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't think changing existing wikis is within the remit of the Language committee. Cbrown1023 talk 19:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Maybe not, but it seems appropriate to inform langcom when proposing this sort of change. And recommendations on the topic from langcom would be welcome (just as from kaldari :). SJ talk | translate   06:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Montenegrin Wikipedia request 4

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Montenegrin 4

Please add it to the list.

Added and rejected for the same reason as the last 3 requests for a Montenegrin Wikipedia. Antony D. Green 05:37, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
That's a lie, if ANY of the previous 3 requests have been rejected because of the stupid undemocratic ISO (oh puhlease), then why oh why did some last for years? Why was the 3. request put on hold??? And then like the previous two, rejected due to Chetnik agenda?
The language committee may have indeed been less efficient in the past, but the speed with which this request is rejected makes it clear that we are now very efficient :). As to ISO, it may be undemocratic, but we have to adhere to a standard, otherwise we would have to make political decisions, which is something that we do not want. SPQRobin (talk) 15:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijanian Wikinews

Can someone update this page? --N KOziTalk 07:22, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. The activity is also good, but I didn't mark it because activity should be maintained. SPQRobin (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

No feedback about Marathi Wikisource proposal ?

Hi,

could members from Language Proposal Team comment on this proposal please : Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Marathi ?

--Sankalpdravid 17:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

It was not listed on Requests for new languages, I added it there. I also created the status page Language committee/Status/ws/mr. SPQRobin (talk) 18:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. We'll follow the proposal up on that page.
--Sankalpdravid 13:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Request for a new language - Tunisian Arabic

> would you accept the Tunisian Arabic Wikipedia or not? > Language committee/Status/wp/aeb > Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Tunisian

Hello. The process is not that you submit a request, the language committee decides on it, and it is approved or rejected. The process is that you should start a test wiki on Incubator (which already counts as a Wikipedia), translate the MediaWiki interface, and when there is enough activity, we will decide if it can be moved to a full independent Wikipedia (aeb.wikipedia.org). Besides, the language committee is currently changing its policy in making requests eligible, so it can take some time before you can get an eligible status. SPQRobin (talk) 15:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed project move

Hello. Over the last week, I've been reading bits and pieces about results of the recent meeting of the language committee in Berlin. I was a bit surprised that the committee seems to be moving ahead in moving the Alemannic Wikipedia from als. to gsw., since the local community has not been informed so far. Is there any place here where this is being discussed? I would like to engage in a discussion about this proposed move, since I have been in contact with the Ethnologue editors to correct their entry on Alemannic and eventually the ISO-codes. While I absolutely agree that the als code is wrong and the project should be moved eventually, the proposed gsw code is almost as inaccurate. That is why I want to propose and urge you to put any such move on hold until the entries and codes have been corrected by the Ethnologue (unfortunately the change request process at Ethnologue seems to move very slowly). The end result could still be gsw , but it might also be an entirely new code to encompass gsw/swg/gct/wae i.e all the dialects currently being used on the Alemannic Wikipedia. But until the Ethnologue makes a decision, I would propose putting any move on hold to avoid potentially having to move the project multiple times. Cheers, --Terfili 20:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi. See also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23215 for the technical request to move the projects. However, this (along with other move requests) has been asked for a few years, and the renaming will unlikely happen in the near future because it is quite difficult technically (and it's low-priority). As for the ISO codes, please give some more information.. did you submit a request at SIL to change the code(s)? SPQRobin (talk) 21:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that is what I have done. That was at the end of 2009 and then I had several e-mail exchanges with SIL until last June about it. Since it never appeared on the change request index, I've recently written them yet another e-mail asking about the status of this request. According to the reply, there has been a personnel change at the SIL-registrar, and the new editor says that they first need to read through all the correspondence regarding Alemannic, which apparently is quite extensive. --Terfili 06:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok. I think we should just wait until SIL/Ethnologue makes a decision, or we can review the situation when the Wikimedia tech staff are going to take care of renaming wikis. SPQRobin (talk) 18:36, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea. That decision would probably be adopted when the 17th edition of the Ethnologue is published. --Terfili 09:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Tucano and Baniwa Wikipedia creation requests

Dear Admins, can someone please add the Baniwa and Tucano Wikipedia requests to the list and please review them to at least get them to a 'verification' status? Thank you. Pastorica 07:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I am very happy to finally see some new activity in South American languages. I added them to the list and created incubator:Wp/bwi and incubator:Wp/tuo, where you should begin a test wiki, which is the starting point. If those test projects have enough activity, it will be transferred to "tuo.wikipedia.org" / "bwi.wikipedia.org". Could you please provide the autonyms for the two languages (i.e. the name of the language in the language itself)? Btw, I also created a stub article at the English Wikipedia, for w:Baniwa language (it was missing). As for the verification, it is not possible yet because there has to be a test wiki at Incubator first. Regards, SPQRobin (talk) 09:46, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Robin. Just to clarify, does this mean that only once the test wikis are developed to a certain extent can we have an 'elegible' status? I assume the most important things in the test wiki (which is the same as the incubator, I guess) are: localization of metawiki; some articles deemed of high importance done (how many?); and activity and 3 active editors for some time (how much time?). Is this correct, am I missing something? Thank you very much for your help, best regards. Pastorica 18:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
You are correct. One clarification maybe: "localisation of MetaWiki" is actually "localisation of MediaWiki": MediaWiki is the name of the software.
In general, translation and activity (of native speakers preferably) are the two main things. You can follow the status pages for wp/bwi and wp/tuo to see what needs to be done. Don't worry too much, you can always ask again in a few weeks and then we'll see what needs to be done. Btw, I asked for the autonyms, could you please give them for the two languages? Thanks, SPQRobin (talk) 21:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Again, thank you very much for the clarifications, Robin. I mean MediaWiki and not MetaWiki, but thanks for the correction. I asked people who are directly involved in the spelling normalization what the autonyms should be, but didn't get a reply yet. As soon as that is done, I will try to get them to focus their efforts in the development of the tasks you kindly pointed out to me. Thanks again. Pastorica 23:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
One additional point which I've been meaning to ask but always end up forgetting: most of the people who will be contributing may have very limited knowledge of English, but almost all should have either native or near-native or at least L2 knowledge of Portuguese. Hence, translating (for instance MediaWiki, but also the initial incubator pages) from Portuguese would make the most sense and should greatly increase the development rate. How do you propose I follow through with this? To clarify, I am in contact with a number of people who are very interested in developing these WPs but have insufficient knowledge of how WP works to be autonomous contributors from the start (to add up to the eventual incomprehension of English in the first place) , requiring some help in these first steps. Do you have any advice for a strategy for me to follow over these first few weeks? I expect the same situation to be true to most starting WPs in a minority language (not Vlaams, as in your case, but other cases such as those of Iberian minority languages that have either Spanish or Portuguese as stronger alphabetization languages), so it is possible that there is some similar experience we could profit from. Thank you for any input. Pastorica 23:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I will ask to activate the MediaWiki translation at translatewiki: as soon as I got the autonyms. Portuguese will be set as "helper" language, which means they will see Portuguese to help them translate (later on, it will be set as "fallback" language which means Portuguese is the source language).
Also, at Incubator, after you have logged in there, you can click on "preferences" above and change your language to Portuguese. Then you should see the interface translated. When there is something in English that you would like to have in Portuguese, I can say where you can translate it. As for the strategy, what kind of advice do you mean? I can help you when needed but there isn't really something important besides an active Incubator test wiki and MediaWiki translations. There have been new Wikipedias started in minority languages, but most activity is in languages of Europe and Russia. SPQRobin (talk) 11:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much once again, Robin. The autonyms are 'baniwa' and 'tukano' (with a <k>). The fact that Pt can be set as a helper language will help out a great deal; thank you very much! Pastorica 01:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Bhojpuri Wikipedia

I wanted to bring that in notice that the current code of Bhojpuri Wikipedia is bh.wikipedia whereas bh is the code of Bihari, a group of languages and the correct code for Bhojpuri is bho. I wanted to fix that by placing a bug on Bugzilla but I was recommended to tell the Language Committee first. Vibhijain 15:27, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

May you suggest how it should be solved, except in relation to the codes? Are Bihari languages mutually intelligible? Are people from those communities willing to work on the same project? Any other comment? --Millosh 11:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
The major problem is that Bihari languages also contains Fiji Hindi, and there is a Fiji Hindi Wikipedia. Vibhijain 12:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Btw, I and Gerard (see his blog post) and others are already aware of this issue. In MediaWiki localisation it has been fixed already: "bh" has been renamed to "bho" and "bh" falls back to "bho". When the software will be updated here, you will be able to select "bho" as your interface language. The Wikipedia, however, could perhaps be renamed to bho.wikipedia, but there are already a lot of wikis waiting for that. SPQRobin (talk) 12:40, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Sanskrit Wikiquote

Please mark Sanskrit Wikiquote as eligible as Sanskrit is a historical language and it has nearly any native. But there is a good editing community so please mark it as eligible. Vibhijain 11:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

(Has been done meanwhile.) SPQRobin (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Update Language committee/Status/wn/vi

I think this page should be updated, the last updated on 12 April 2011, and this time June --minhhuy*= 09:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Nothing has changed meanwhile. The localisation is completely done, the activity is good but not good enough yet (most activity comes from one or two users). SPQRobin (talk) 13:28, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Convalidation request

Hello. I formally request to convalidate this closure request since when it got opened I intentionally followed the rules of the now finally approved Closing projects policy which was not policy when I opened the request but it is now. -- Dferg ☎ talk 10:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I have re-opened your proposal. SPQRobin (talk) 23:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Best regards, -- Dferg ☎ talk 21:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

One more observer?

I would like to be an observer of LangCom. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 15:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

May you send an introductory email to, let's say, myself (millosh@gmail.com) and I'll forward it to other LangCom members. --Millosh 03:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
He has contacted me on Incubator. I forwarded the email to the Langcom list. SPQRobin (talk) 14:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Lezgi

When is approved, the participants had a lot of. Namik555 14:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Wiki language ISO 639-1 → 639-3 proposal

I'd like to bring this proposal to the attention of Language committee. -- とある白い猫 chi? 17:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

AzWiki

Hello

As you know both Arabic and Latin scripts are used in AzWiki -North Azerbaijani Turks use Latin alphabet and South Azerbaijani Turks use Arabic alphabet- .After several years collaboration, different problems created between users of the AzWiki. In the current days, This Wiki's Bureaucrat -Sortilegus- has deleted the non latin texts from the Wiki's crust .While AzWiki's crust was written since 2006 in both Arabic & Latin scripts ( here ) .Now all of the crust texts in Arabic script are deleted without discussion ( For example here & here & also here & here ). This is a insult to Arabic script users and This work isn't in this bureaucrat's options. The activities in Arabic script is not desirable in AzWiki and most of AzWiki's current Admins don't know Arabic script and also I must mention that we had tried to solve problems between two scripts by discussing them before ; but it doesn't had any useful result ( here & here & also here ).

what we want :

1)We want equal rights for both Latin & Arabic script users and their activities .

2)Main page must be in both Arabic & Latin scripts .

3)AzWiki's system informations must be written in both Arabic & Latin scripts .

4)Both Arabic & Latin scripted Discussions must have equal importance .

Thanks. --Ebrahimi-amir 18:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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  • Support. I am in agreement with top users reasons. In AzWiki the Arabic alphabet have not a good status. Please help us. Thanks. --Elmaxtar 06:43, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Support--Arslanteginghazi 08:13, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi, there. First of all I want to say that I'm one of the 8 active administrators of az-wiki and I have sufficient information about all the problems mentioned above. The roots of this problem are in Iran education system, where azerbaijanians which form about 50% of population of this country doesn't have any schools in their native language. So all official rules and regulations in Azerbaijani language adopted in Azerbaijan Republic for last 90 years. That's why az-latin is more literary and correct. And the main problem is in this point. For the last few months we are working on new language converter to switch latin letters to Arabic scripts visually. And you can find the details of this discussion on bugzilla. But this guys disagree with our point of view and think that az-latin and az-arabic wikis would be divided, or we must work with 2 different scripts in the same wiki. But as I said above literary Azerbaijani language is latin one. In addition I want to mention that Azerbaijani language most likely will lost, but not earn any benefits from the process this users want to start. Thank you for attention. Wertuose 13:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I am disagree with visually arabic scripts. This is a ultra nationalistic speech. And not all users agree with Wertuose. I want to equal rights for both Latin & Arabic script users too. --N KOziTalk 13:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Not agree with you(userWertuose).We can write the Arabic script with no problem.Although we have not study the language.Injustice is apparent in the azwiki(The managers) .Users of the Arabic alphabet in the wiki seriously taken not .E THP 15:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree with E THPElph 19:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I think it should be a separate part of the Arabic alphabet. In this case, the major languages ​​of the Turks of Iran, will be developed. Aydın Məmmədov 03:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Arabic alphabet pages was deleted in wikiquote [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22].--Ebrahimi-amir 06:31, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Why does not anyone consider.

I think this would make the logo more readable. I suck at svg modification so someone else could perhaps retouch it to be better. -- とある白い猫 chi? 22:57, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Regarding enabling Odia Wiktionary and Odia Wikiquote

As both these projects are of importance and Odia Wiki Community is in its nascent stage the translation of all MediaWiki messages and All main extensions used by Wikimedia Foundation wikis will take little time. At present I am actively translating the messages and still people are to join the translating community, please grant us the approval the project. Through various projects we can mobilize more people and build an active community for participation. In the mean while the translation would be finished. --ସୁଭ ପା (Subhashish Panigrahi) 09:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Kurdish 2 Wikipedia

I'd like to bring the proposal in the attention of LangCom.

Proposal in essence is the rename of ku.wikipedia to kmr.wikipedia and maybe re-label the interwiki text to Kurdî (Kurmancî) to specify the dialect of the wiki The proposal is currently suffering from lots of words being written and few things being said. This work by UCLA Language Materials Project covers the problem the wiki suffers from fairly well with discussion on how individual dialects hold among each other. The scope of the wiki as explained by the editors is kind of confusing as you can observe if you were to read through the text. I really do not understand why so much drama is present in the request when the proposed change is so small.

-- とある白い猫 chi? 15:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I think it's not the proper way to go to the Langcom directly and tell them "people who comment there are wrong" when a proposal of you doesn't find full support. --MF-W 16:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
I just am tired of listening to opinions with no linguistic or technical or factual basis. I simply am not sure if langcom is aware of the proposal. I posted here after weeks of fruitless discussion. -- とある白い猫 chi? 21:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Mf-Warburg, I find your comment to be unecessarily confrontational. とある白い猫 didn't say that the pople who comment there are wrong, what he said is that there are "lots of words being written and few things being said", which is true. The page would probably take an hour to read all the way through, but it is actually just a very long-winded argument between myself, とある白い猫, and a user named "Kak Language", with a couple of other people expressing opinions here and there. The length of the page (in particular, Kak language has been posting very long comments) may give some the idea that there is some kind of huge commotion and an overwhelming opposition to the proposal, although this doesn't seem to be the case, I've only seen 3 people come out against it vs. 2 or 3 in favor. And of course much of the language used is misleading; this is a proposal to change the code and move the Wiki without deleting content, and perhaps transforming http://ku.wikipedia.org/ into a portal with links to all Kurdish Wikipedias, but user "Kak Language" is characterizing it as "Wiping the Kurdish language off the face of Wikipedia" and other types of alarmist statements. --Node ue 04:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Limburgish Wikinews

I would like to make the langcom aware that li.wn is currently reviving and the localization will probably be finished this week. So, please also keep track of li.wn :) --OosWesThoesBes 09:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Tunisian

I'd like to have an update of the analysis of my request (wp/aeb). Would you accept it soon ? --Csisc 17:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

The localisation still has to be done. Should it be in Arabic script, Latin script or both? You will also have to find other contributors who want to participate in the Tunisian Wikipedia. SPQRobin (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Wiktionary Gan

This message was posted on my talk page for langcom:

Hi, Pathoschild. I am a contributor of Gan wiki projects. We have been trying to set up Gan Wiktionary since one year ago, and I want to say it is somewhat discouraging that this project is still not yet approved while contributors have devoted more than 400 articles, more disappointingly that Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Gan does not even attract much attention of the community. With the success of Gan Wikipedia, I think the wiktionary deserves to be created as soon as possible both to help the editing of the wikipedia and to bring about more future contributions. Here, I'd like to ask a favor of you to have this process accelerated, moreover, I think it would be a great, unnecessary strain to shift the project from the incubator to the real wiktionary if more contributions are made. Thank you --Symane 11:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Pathoschild 11:49:14, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the localisation needs to be done: core (Traditional and/or Simplified) and main extensions (Traditional and/or Simplified). SPQRobin (talk) 22:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
We understand well the importance of the localization, however, this work truly seems impossible to be done in a short moment. Wouldn't it be too demanding that thousands of translations should be done before the creation of a wiktionary while almost half of wiktionaries just have hundreds of entries? Moreover, I am quite curious how some wiktionaries were set up whose localization are in fact still far from the completion, taking Minnan Wiktionary for example. In any case, we will still keep undertaking the localization, but please help us to accelerate the creation of Gan wiktionary because of the reasons above if there isn't any real technical difficulty. Sincerely.--Symane 00:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, Minnan was created well before the localization was a requirement and that counts for most Wiktionaries with just a few hundred entrees. But even if the localization has been done, the creation of a Gan Wiktionary is not very likely in the near future. If you take a look at the statistics you can see that there were no edits at all for the past few months. --OosWesThoesBes 06:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
That's exactly where my anxiety is: we are losing more and more contributors, as it's really demoralizing that the project was long time kept in "verifiication". Why would not the community be a little less routinist since there is a quite productive Gan Wikipedia up there with more than 6000 articles? --Symane 08:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
There is no "verification" or anything else required here. A subdomain is approved when its Incubator wiki is active and the localisation is complete. This "threshold" is there because we want to be more or less sure the wiki would remain active. The Gan Wiktionary on Incubator is open for anyone to contribute. SPQRobin (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I haven't any intention to change the "thresholds" of Wiki community, but I hope you could understand the fact that the incubator of Gan wiktionary used to be active and it has localized the most used messages, the reason this project is losing more and more contributors is largely due to the long-time disapproval. We do be capable to make contributions on incubator, however, it seems not only unnecessarily troublesome for present editing and for the shifting of the project from the incubator to the future wiktionary, but also discouraging after considerable contributions being made. I, here, just expect the community to understand this real phenomenon which particularly happens to small languages, and to be more flexible in the committee work in order to support and coordinate new projects to optimize their success.--Symane 23:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Activity means 3-5 users editing sufficiently for a few months. You never reach 3 users, nor did you reach a few months. Therefore the test has never been active enough. --OosWesThoesBes 06:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Wp/fit

The Tornedalen Finnish Wikipedia (sil: fit) seems to have a rather active contributor, but it doesn't have a proposal yet and it also can't be localised yet. --OosWesThoesBes 13:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Language added to translatewiki.net, it can now be localised. The proposal is at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Meänkieli 2. SPQRobin (talk) 14:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Ow.. Then I'm a bit blind :P Anyway, thanks :) --OosWesThoesBes 17:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Lower Silesian Wikipedia

Hi! I translate all required MediaWiki interface translations, please check it on Language committee/Status/wp/sli. It's last requirement for approval. Regards, Przemub 11:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Good. If there is more activity on Incubator, the Silesian German Wikipedia can get its subdomain. SPQRobin (talk) 11:18, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Is it enough 700 pages, 800 edits and 4 active users in November? Przemub 16:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
It's not really about number of pages or edits. There have to be several people working on it. You are the main contributor, so if you would stop contributing, the wiki would be dead. The 4 active users you mention, is not correct: besides you, there's me doing maintenance, a bot, anonymous users and a user who just changed a few categories. SPQRobin (talk) 21:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Wn/vi

Please update Language committee/Status/wn/vi, thank you --minhhuy*= (talk) 12:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

It is up-to-date. The Vietnamese Wikinews needs more activity; then it can get its subdomain. SPQRobin (talk) 11:12, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

wv/pl

Please update Language committee/Status/wv/pl. Przemub 18:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

It is up-to-date. The Polish Wikiversity needs more activity; then it can get its subdomain. SPQRobin (talk) 11:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikisource Sorbian

As time goes by, I hereby want to bring up my last year’s question again. What are we supposed to do to finnish the request and to bring that project into life? --32X 13:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikisource

I've started to compile a List of texts every Wikisource should have‎‎, so that new Wikisource projects have a goal they can work towards. Would love some assistance from LangCom members. The list doesnt need to be "great works" - it can be "works that have been translated into many languages" (or "works that are simple to translate" if the project permits wiki-translations) John Vandenberg 22:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Badaga Wikipedia

Badaga Wikipedia has remained dormant for two years and all its contributors have vanished [23]. Any updates on what is currently planned for it? Thanks. Surajt88 10:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

The language committee approves active projects. When there is an active community working on the Badaga Wikipedia, it can be approved. SPQRobin (talk) 21:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Does this mean that this project is going to remain like this until and unless we have a group working on it? Surajt88 08:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. --OosWesThoesBes 09:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Unsortable tables

The tables with the proposals in the Requests for new languages are no longer sortable. When I click on the headings, nothing happens. Strangely though, the example of a sortable table a Help:Table#Sorting still works. Can someone look into this? --79.210.105.176 11:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The problem is in the MediaWiki coding. As you can see, the example on help is class="wikitable sortable", while Requests for languages has class="wikitable sortable attable". If temporarily removed "attable", but it still does not sort the dates correctly. --OosWesThoesBes 10:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Lezgi aktiv (Лезги югъунар)

Already for several months of the lezghin wiki is active, more than five participants, which make more than 10 edits, I ask for this to change the status and the last barrier, the activity of the Lezgistxa 23:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

We intend to approve the Lezgian Wikipedia, but first we need someone to verify the content. SPQRobin (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
How do you find the possession of the lezgin there, because in the lezgin wiki only 3-4 of the participant owning lezgin, although you can find on the lezgin sites of the person who checked to content, some of the articles are written in dialects we change them now.Lezgistxa 04:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Kalmyk and Buryat, and Kartvelian and Turkic languages of Russia weakened

Please update the status of Wikipedia editions in Mongolic, Turkic, Kartvelian languages of Russia, Thank you. Two Mongolic languages of Russia editions of Wikipedia, have been weakened. Wikimedia Russia needs help to contribute Wikipedias in Mongolic, Kartvelian and Turkic languages of Russia. Wikimedia Russia needs ethnic minorities in Russia to contribute Wikipedia faster. Contributors from Kalmyk and Buryat Wikipedias have been vanished. --112.202.3.153 07:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Livonian Wikipedia status

Could someone please see whether the status page on the Livonian Wikipedia Incubator is up to date? The most-used MediaWiki messages seem to be translated by now. And as to the activity of the test project, this might be seen as viable (or might not, I am not very certain how exactly it is measured). Ohpuu 11:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Translations are done. I think the test should remain active for a bit longer, but that's up to the LangCom to decide. --OosWesThoesBes 13:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Kalmyk and Buryat Wikipedia

Kalmyk and Buryat Wikipedia have remained dormant for few and all its contributors have vanished. Any updates on what is currently planned for it? Thanks. --Chtak Yuno 07:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't think they need to be updated if they still don't have enough activity. --OosWesThoesBes 13:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, these wiki's already exist. But they do have content pages, so there is nothing that needs to be done. --OosWesThoesBes 13:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)