Talk:Language committee/2025

Joining to the committee

Hi, I am interested in joining to the committee. Nemoralis (talk) 19:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I've sent you an email. --MF-W 18:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Central Kanuri Wikipedia

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T385181

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Central Kanuri. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --Sotiale (talk) 14:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale I checked the request page there is no any indicated wiki settings that's need to be completed. MohammedBama123 (talk) 12:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

@MohammedBama123: I tried to create a ticket for the developers about this today, but I still found some empty space in the settings; Project namespace(Project:) and Project talk namespace(Project talk:). Is it correct that the timezone for West Africa is Africa/Lagos(GMT+1)? And will you request the logo separately after you create the wiki? --Sotiale (talk) 11:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale I have updated the wiki settings, as for the time zone is Africa/Lagos(GMT+1) and for the Logo we will use Wikipedia logo for the project. MohammedBama123 (talk) 13:03, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@MohammedBama123: Could you please check if the namespace is correct? For example, the current settings: in the English Wikipedia, there is Wikipedia:Five pillars; in your project, 'Central Kanuri Wikipedia:Five pillars'. In the enwiki, Wikipedia talk:Five pillars; in your project, 'Mana kǝla Wikipedia yǝn:Five pillars'. (Project name is Wikipédia; Mana kǝla Wikipédia yǝn?) --Sotiale (talk) 13:18, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale I have updated the project name is correct. MohammedBama123 (talk) 13:35, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@MohammedBama123: Could you please also check the project namespace? It is rare to put language names in namespaces. This needs to be done very carefully as once set it is very difficult to change later. --Sotiale (talk) 13:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale It's Done MohammedBama123 (talk) 14:12, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@MohammedBama123: Sorry to keep asking questions, but could you please... fix the timezone you mentioned above? And empty the logo file. I can't do this for you(this must be done by members of the community), and if it's unclear, it will delay the creation by receiving additional questions from developers. To prevent that, please double check the other boxes so I don't have to ask you any additional questions. --Sotiale (talk) 14:28, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale I have updated the time zone and empty the file logo. MohammedBama123 (talk) 14:41, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

it will delay the creation by receiving additional questions from developers - for the record this is generally no longer true - new wikis get created with placeholder config and then the requested settings are applied in a later step, so only that step can be delayed. If no further changes to the settings are made what will happen is that no logo will get set (which I think means it will default to the English Wikipedia's logo), and the namespaces will be applied as they are. You can set it later through the Wikimedia site requests process. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I forgot it was now after the expedited process for creating wikis was introduced. Thanks. --Sotiale (talk) 04:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 13:14, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Livonian Wikipedia

Dear language committee, Livonian has been in the incubator for almost 14 years now. Since that time the amount of speakers of the language and the amount of people involved with the language has significantly grown. There are even new native speakers as of now. There is thus an active online community who would like Livonian to be an official language on Wikipedia and I think Livonian Wikipedia is now ready for it.

I would hereby like to request for the Livonian Wikipedia to be created if possible. Kamrat ett (talk) 18:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Wp/liv hasn't had a consistent contributor for almost 2 years according to the active user statistics. If there are many speakers, please encourage them to join the project and become contributing users. Since you made 25 edits in January and there were no other active users, and you didn't contribute anything in December, it doesn't satisfy the sustainability of the community, so it can't be approved at the moment. However, I think if you continue to contribute enough with other users, this will be resolved and approved. Thank you for your contributions! --Sotiale (talk) 07:46, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: (talk) 10:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Santali Wiktionary

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T386619 resolved

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Santali. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --Sotiale (talk) 09:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

@ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ: Hi. I recommend that you review all of the settings on this page over the next 7 days. Project name, Project namespace, Project talk namespace, etc.. Project logo is recommended, but if you don't, it will become the default logo. If you need to change this later, you have to do it yourself, and langcom won't be involved. --Sotiale (talk) 09:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thank you ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ (talk) 10:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Approved. See phab:T386619. --Sotiale (talk) 11:15, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Great news, Thank you. ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ (talk) 13:20, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

wikt:sat: launched so

This section was archived on a request by: Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Santali Wiktionary approval request

Greetings! Dear language committee, Wikimedians of Santali Language User Group and it's Wiki club dedicatedly and actively working for Santali Wiktionary. It is being continuously 5 month our community member are contributing for growth of this project. Every month there is a double digit user are active and we create very good quality of content. We can say currently Santali Wiktionary is the among most active incubator project.

• test page
• Wiki Activity

So I request the language committee for approval of this project.ᱥᱟᱹᱜᱩᱱ ᱗ (talk) 15:50, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just started discussions for approval. Good luck. --Sotiale (talk) 12:20, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank You for the appropriate action.

Community members will be happy to know this.☺️ ᱥᱟᱹᱜᱩᱱ ᱗ (talk) 16:50, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Sotiale. ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ (talk) 16:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

@ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ: Hi. According to these statistics, there is a need for translation of MediaWiki messages(Most important messages: 93.68 %) in your language. Could your community help translate this? --Sotiale (talk) 07:43, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Ok ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ (talk) 08:19, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Done ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

See above. --Sotiale (talk) 10:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: (talk) 14:53, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Proposal for Restructuring Wikinews Incubation

Dear Langcom,

I find the current approach of incubating Wikinews projects in the Incubator problematic, as these projects are primarily written and read by the contributors themselves. The extensive Incubator URLs are not shareable, and the short links are unreliable and lack trustworthiness for wider audiences. Additionally, while a Langcom member questioned why Wn/shn focuses on templates, I believe these templates offer long-term utility compared to news articles written in the Incubator, which often become stale before the project even has a chance to graduate.

One reason larger-language Wikinews projects struggle is due to competition with numerous free and monetized news outlets and portals. Smaller and medium-sized language communities, however, lack such resources and could benefit from this proposal if a Wikimedia-hosted multilingual platform available to share their news.

I propose moving Wikinews incubation to a multilingual platform at wikinews.org, similar to Multilingual Wikisource. This would provide a reasonable and shareable URL structure, addressing many of the current challenges while empowering smaller communities to publish news effectively. -- ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 07:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Request for Bengali Wikinews

The Bengali Wikinews project is now ready to come out of incubator. Over the past five months, it has maintained consistent activity with regular contributions and the support of a dedicated, sustainable community. If there are any concerns, please let us know. Otherwise, we kindly request the final approval from the language committee. Thank you!--Sajid Reza Karim 19:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm very surprised at the primary contributors there, but I think that if other users' activity dropped in December and then increased again in January, if the same level of contributions continues in February, the approval process could start smoothly. Thank you for your contribution. --Sotiale (talk) 14:40, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Madurese Wikisource

Dear Language Committee, the Madurese Wikisource project has been active for 7 months. We would like to request to review the project for final approval. Thanks -- Johnstad ^{Wanna Talk?} 09:35, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Phabricator task about adding monolingual language code apc-latn

Hi, I had created this task about adding monolingual language code apc-latn, but I see no activity on it. Who could I notify for that? Thanks in advance. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:51, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Seems like it's being done now. --MF-W 19:45, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Tagalog Wikisource

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikisource Tagalog. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --Satdeep Gill (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

I wish you will approve Wikisource Tagalog soon. Jumark27 (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

@Satdeep Gill Dear Language Committee, we wish to get updates on the approval of Tagalog Wikisource. --Filipinayzd (talk) 08:45, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T388639

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 10:45, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Tagalog Wikisource

Dear Language Committee, the Tagalog Wikisource project has been active for 8 months. We would like to request to review the project for its final approval. The local edition was proposed in 2010 and there has been a revitalization efforts to build it become the newest Wikimedia project in the language spoken by 29 million native speakers (2010), 54 million second language speakers (2020) or over 83 million Filipinos. Thanks. --Filipinayzd (talk) 13:20, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 10:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Interslavic Wikipedia

Hello, dear Language Committee. The Interslavic Wikipedia has been active for the last 5 months, and the community would like the project to be approved. If I'm wrong and it's too early, please write why. Thank you! Medžuslovjanin (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Support. TutČas (talk) 11:35, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Support. SkullyWasHere (talk) 15:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Nupe Wikipedia Approval Request

Nupe Wikipedia have been up and doing to ensure open knowledge is achieved in the Nupe language. Attached herewith are links showcasing the need for your attention and concerns below to get the language approved:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Nupe

https://codelookup.toolforge.org/nup

https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/nup/

With this we hope to see our language make a chance to own it's site for wider and easier usage by our existing and new editors. 787IYO (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll review this as soon as I have time. Thanks for posting. --Sotiale (talk) 07:47, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Glad for the Nupe language. The community editors should be more dedicated more and more Nupemiyo (talk) 19:05, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just started discussions for approval. Good luck. --Sotiale (talk) 12:20, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

We are happy for the language community efforts towards ensuring languages are preserved. We awaits to see our site gets approved Haweey7575 (talk) 09:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the appropriate commitments. Our community members will be happy to hear that their efforts is noticed by langcom

787IYO (talk) 11:04, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

I would like to note here that this project is currently going through the verification process for approval. --Sotiale (talk) 10:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

We are glad to hear this important information. Thanks for the time and supports.14:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC) Haweey7575 (talk) 14:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:09, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Lenape Wikipedia

I have made a serious proposal to the Lenni Lenape groups at Facebook to join forces and request a Wikipedia project in the [en:Lenape] language; please see my [proposal on the web] and let me know if I have misunderstood some part of the process. Since I'm not a speaker of the Lenape language myself, I'm dependant on Lenape spekers to embrace this idea and make it their project, thus I will not issue a formal request for the project to be created unless they themselves agree it would be a good idea and come here to voice their support, hence the detailed webpage, A similar question relates to the name of the project, have I understood it correctly that Lenape speakers are free to suggest an appropriate name and orthography for "Wikipedia" in their language, such as "Sixi Nitaato" which I derived from a 17th-century vocabulary of the language compiled by Swedish clergyman [en:John Campanius] as part of his translation of Luther's Little Catechism into the Lenape language, given the words "nitaato" or "nitáto" (orthography appears to vary) meaning approximately "knowledge" or "skill" ("knowing how to do something well") and "sixi" meaning "quick", "fast"; hence "fast knowledge". I will of course defer to Lenape speakers to say whether this is indeed a proper way of forming a name or compound word in Lenape. I may have made an error suggesting that the name of "Wikidata" can likewise be translated, please let me know if this is not so and I will remove it from the proposal.

With respect to my contribution, what would my role be in this, given that I don't speak the language, well, I'm a keen Wikidata editor, eager to see more languages supported in its lexicographic project. I happen to have a personal relation to the Lenape ever since I took a [en:mitochondrial DNA] test back in 2013, and was genuinely surprised to see a few close American matches in my K1a2c haplogroup who both listed their matrilineal ancestors as Native American, knowing that cross-Bering Native American haplogroups typically begin with letters A-D or X, K had to be post-Columbian, but as both matches traced their ancestries at least back to the 1700's, they could not be explained by the late 19-century wave of migration from Scandinavia, so another explanation must be found, and when I saw that one of them had traced her ancestors back to Virginia in the early 1700's, the [en:New Sweden] colony in present-day [en:Delaware] immediately came to my mind. Therefore I believe I probably have distant cousins among the Lenape, sharing my Forest Finn ancestry from Savo, Finland, with them. This is what sparked my interest in their culture and language, to the point that I will contribute whatever little I can to the creation of a Lenape Wikipedia.--SM5POR (talk) 18:13, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi, you can check out Wp/del, which includes member languages. The Unami Wikipedia is available at the incubator Wp/unm, and you can start the Munsee Wikipedia at Wp/umu. For proposals regarding new Wikimedia language projects, the correct place is Proposals for new projects. -- ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 08:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

@ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣThank you, the links you provided are quite useful to me and I must now go back and revise my public proposal. The reason I posted here is precisely that it doesn't constitute a formal request for a new project, but rather an inquiry as to whether I had understood the procedure correctly. For that matter could you please confirm that I'm on the right track with respect to translation of the name "Wikipedia" itself, please also comment on my suspicion that this does not apply to "Wikidata".--SM5POR (talk) 10:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Check your links; it should be Wp/unm and Wp/umu.--Prosfilaes (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

 Comment. Unami (unm) is a dead language, so Wikipedia in this language will not be created according to the policy, the request will be rejected. Wikipedia in Munsi (umu) can be requested. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 10:28, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't think that's clear. Extinct languages have been rejected, but languages like Unami, which are recently dead and where there's active language revitalization projects (e.g. The Lenape Language Preservation Project), there is a good chance it will be accepted for creation.--Prosfilaes (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

So, how about renaming unm test project to umu, to avoid policy limits on extinct languages? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

There are different languages, what a renaming? And if someone can convince the committee that the Unami language is alive, then good, but I wouldn't advise it. --Danvintius Bookix (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Hello @SM5POR! Thanks for reaching out.

While it is commendable that you want to introduce speakers to the possibility of creating Wikipedia / adding data in Wikidata in their own language, I think you need to be very clear on your page about who you are and what your input in this would be. On your page you say "We invite the […] community" and "together, we can build" and "we would love to hear your feedback". It is not clear who this "we" is, however. I think it would be best if you made clear this is your personal invitation/proposal/idea that such a project would be beneficial.

Also, creating a new Wikipedia is a long-term effort that can take a lot of time, not least because of the fact that for the approval of a new Wikipedia, the (basics of the) MediaWiki interface need to be translated and at least several users need to sustain activity on the Wikimedia Incubator project for at least several months. As far as I am aware, making it possible to enter data into Wikidata in a new language is far easier than starting a Wikipedia. Maybe that is something that you could take into account in your "advertisement page".

Other users have already mentioned the fact that ISO 639-3 considers the "Delaware languages, also known as the Lenape languages" to consist of two different language, Munsee and Unami, with a very low number of native speakers. For a Wikipedia project, it would be good to clarify who the speakers of the language who can contribute are, and which language they will use precisely. It is also possible that the best course of action would be to have both languages in one wiki. But again, this is something that should be discussed with speakers of the language(s).

About the translation of "Wikipedia" and "Wikidata", this is not something I would mention in the beginning. It is an unnecessary distraction. If a separate Wikipedia for the language is going to be approved, the community will be asked how they want to translate "Wikipedia", but that is not something that needs to be done at the beginning; the answer will probably develop over time with the contributions of native speakers. I don't know whether it is common practice to translate Wikidata's name, but that is something for Wikidata users to know.

-- MF-W 11:33, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

@MF-WarburgI appreciate your concerns, which I share with you, fact is I have deferred many of those issues by letting ChatGPT formulate the proposal, I would appreciate your comments on my revised text which may not yet have reached my web server... Part of my problem is that I have not yet established an ongoing discussion with the Lenape community. It may be that they are cautious about my true intentions, given that I'm Swedish and therefore a representative of the former colonists of their land, add to that my claim to share ancestors with them.--SM5POR (talk) 14:13, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to me that the text on your page has changed yet. However, given the fact that you haven't had any contact with "the Lenape community" yet, I suggest you don't do this at all. I mean, what are you trying to achieve? Yes, you can approach them and say "it might be possible to have a Wikipedia in your language, did you know that?" but you'd also have to say "but I can't really help you and it will be very hard". --MF-W 09:58, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Simplified English Wikipedia

I would like to propose a Wikipedia hosting simplified versions of English Wikipedia articles, to coexist with the Simple English Wikipedia, which hosts summaries of English Wikipedia articles. I believe that by closely mirroring English Wikipedia, the most comprehensive Wikipedia currently in existence, a Simplified English Wikipedia could provide both far superior coverage (look at some of the text only prose size differences between en and simple wiki) and better language learning utility by allowing readers who find simple English trivial but en.wiki too difficult to read two article versions in parallel, referring to the simplified English version for "translations" of sentences they find too difficult. Furthermore, I believe it would be easier to create and maintain articles for an SdEWP, as copying text and changes with only some standardized grammatical modifications can be done much more quickly and easily than creating and adapting summaries out of thin air. Is this something that would survive as an actual proposal? Kaotao (talk) 17:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Why wouldn't the Simple English Wikipedia be enough for this purpose? They don't "host summaries of English Wikipedia articles" - they have their own articles which are already written in simple English. EPIC (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

My idea for a Simplified English Wikipedia involved mirroring regular English Wikipedia articles as closely as possible; meaning every single sentence on a Simplified English Wikipedia would have a counterpart sentence/sentence fragment on English Wikipedia, in roughly the same place. This would facilitate coverage and quality equal to that of ENWP for a fraction of the maintenance difficulty of SEWP. I had assumed that SEWP articles were summaries, because even major articles there are often citationless. SEWP does have its own articles, which are almost always far less comprehensive than their ENWP counterparts, completely inconsistent with simple English standards (we try to accommodate for intermediate readers in a wiki that's 90% for beginners, and we end up accommodating for neither; with the expectation of parallel reading, an SdEWP could be made in uniformly simple English at a beginner level), and often overtly dumbed down or patronizing. SEWP is over a decade old now, so made-for-SEWP articles are effectively a baked in standard, which I doubt the resident editors would take too kindly to overhauling. Hence the need for a new wiki. Kaotao (talk) 17:40, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

"Is this something that would survive as an actual proposal?" I don't think so, if only for the fact that we wouldn't want to have multiple Simple-ish English Wikipedias. The idea might be better implemented as some kind of external tool that takes Wikipedia content and "simplifies" it according to "some standardized grammatical modifications". --MF-W 09:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Hiligaynon Wikisource

Dear Language Committee, the Hiligaynon Wikisource project has been active for 8 months. We would like to request to review the project for its final approval. The activity started in July 2024 and if approved, this would be the first Wikimedia project in the 4th most spoken native language in the Philippines. Thanks. --Filipinayzd (talk) 14:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Beta Wikiversity: Challenges we face incubating on a dead platform

Dear Langcom, since last year, I have been trying to add our main page to the main template to connect with the Main Page. Unfortunately, it is still not displaying. My first request was made last year, and three months later, User:Liuxinyu970226 had to ping all administrators and bureaucrats. The request was addressed, but it still didn’t display. After checking, I realized a few more lines were needed, but no one responded afterward. I also request that admins, sysops, and others be selected and nominated from the currently incubating communities (even for shorter terms such as 3 months, 6 months, or 12 months) who can support each other. This platform should not be used solely for hat collection purposes. --(talk) 11:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Langcom is not responsible for administrating the wikis where projects are incubated, but if local administrators don't respond (and indeed only two have been active this year, you can ask global sysops or stewards for help, or run as an administrator yourself. --MF-W 10:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion and guidance. Just for the record, I have taken the following steps in hopes that this will eventually help the platform function better. I have earlier re-listed the request, started a discussion Custodians and general maintenance, later, applied for Custodianship, and reported an issue on Meta. -- (talk) 22:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Finally done by myself. --(talk) 13:53, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: (talk) 13:53, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Campidanese Sardinian elligibility

Dear LangCom, I'd like to propose a reevaluation of Campidanese Sardinian, specifically Wp/sro, elligibility status, basing myself on the third requisite for elligibility, under the Language proposal policy: «The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not coexist on a more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes regional dialects and different written forms of the same language.». In this case, I argue that, since a Sardinian Wikipedia exists, and Sardinian is considered (at least taking into account SIL's ISO 639-3) a macrolanguage, a more general wiki already exists and is capable of accomodating Campidanese (check this for instance). — Garcez (talk) 14:16, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Pinging some people that might be interested: @Liuxinyu970226, @L2212, @Ooswesthoesbes — Garcez (talk) 14:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not a member of the Langcom, so I have no influence over this. Instead, I'll ping User:MF-Warburg, a more active member who can put it forth on the mailing list. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 14:23, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping, I also support the reevaluation for the reasons that were also explained on previous discussions on the matter (here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6). In short yes, Campidanese, Nugorese and Logudorese are just different orthographies of the same language, often used alongside others like LSC for one or more of the many dialects of Sardinian. The Sardinian Wikipedia already has rules and templates to use all of these orthographies, and the people that use the Campidanese one write there. The Campidanese incubator is populated by a single editor that does not even speak the language, and is creating hundreds of copy-pasted articles (with empty sections, few informations and many, many orthographic errors) to transform Sardinian into a "constellation of wikis". Before the arrival of that user, the incubator had exactly 0 articles for years. There is no need to have separate wikis for different orthographies, and that would instead just damage the sc.wiki project. L2212 (talk) 19:58, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Agree with L2212, the eligibility of Campidanese, a dialect of Sardinian should be consider to revoked, as well as Votic. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:37, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Maithili Wiktionary

I would like to bring to your attention that the Maithili Wiktionary meets the criteria for approval as per the Wikimedia Language Committee’s guidelines. The project has sustained activity, meets localization requirements, and serves a significant linguistic community.

Since the project is still awaiting approval, I kindly request the committee to consider its approval at the earliest. Your support in this regard will be highly appreciated by the Maithili-speaking community.

Looking forward to your response. DevGeekStar (talk) 09:27, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you have no other contributors except for your contribution this month, and it was completely inactive until March 2022, when you became active. It is not possible to approve it at this time, but it can be approved if you can continue the project with enough of your colleagues. --Sotiale (talk) 15:20, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 22:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Requesting for the approval of Wali Wikipedia test project

Hello, We humbly request languages Committee to approve Wali Wikipedia test project. This test wiki has been active for past 6 months. We have translated all MediaWiki important messages on translatewiki. Hoping to hear from you. Meanwhile have a look at our statistics automated statistics recent changes Thank you so much. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 06:12, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Support

We all wish to see this wiki approved. Thank you Zakaria Tunsung for this request. Umar Asiya (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

It has been about 3 months since the current state of sufficient activity has been maintained, so I think you need to show more whether the activity is continuous. I believe that if the current activity is continued, it can be approved. Thank you for your efforts. --Sotiale (talk) 15:17, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Well noted. Thank you so much. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 21:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 22:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for Apporval of Minangkabau Wikibooks

Hello Language Committee, the Minangkabau Wikibooks project has been active for 6 months and the community would like the project to be approved. The request for the approval has been made here. Thanks Zhilal Darma (talk) 08:41, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

I am feeling very positive, but I need some time to review some factors, and I am busy right now. I plan to try to review it this weekend if possible. --Sotiale (talk) 08:46, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

I understand, thanks for response. Zhilal Darma (talk) 10:11, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Discussions for approval have just begun. Good luck. --Sotiale (talk) 12:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello Zhilal Darma, if I go on your Main Page, I don't see any links to the existing books. In this state the wiki is not really useful to readers, I think. Could you add a listing of existing books? --MF-W 12:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @MF-Warburg @Sotiale, thanks for response. I have added the existing book list on the Minangkabau Wikibooks Main Page. Zhilal Darma (talk) 06:42, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Please translate all of the 'Most important messages' section on this page. This is very important as it is a prerequisite for approval. --Sotiale (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Sotiale, all of the 'Most important messages' sections on this page have been 100% translated. Thanks Zhilal Darma (talk) 14:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Great, thanks! -- MF-W 19:15, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 22:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Nupe Wikipedia

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T390384 resolved

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Nupe. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --Sotiale (talk) 14:56, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

@787IYO: I would like to ask you to check whether all the settings on the above proposal page are appropriate. Project namespace and Project talk namespace are empty now. --Sotiale (talk) 04:37, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Also "west Africa" is not a valid timezone. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 05:14, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Also I have set our timezone which is GMT +1.787IYO (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

That's still not the right format (it should be a country/location pair listed in w:List_of_tz_database_time_zones. I'm just going to assume you want w:List of tz database time zones#LAGOS. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:20, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I have checked and have made the necessary inputs to the settings. 787IYO (talk) 20:36, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Still doesn't look quite right. "Project talk namespace" should normally be some constant prefix or suffix applied to the project namespace, but here "Fere Egan" has nothing to do with "Wikipedia". Them differing is technically possible, but it is weird. (Also you haven't set a logo, but that's fine - it will just default to the logo for the English Wikipedia). * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:24, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Good day, I have done as requested, please check and see if there is any more information needed. Regards 787IYO (talk) 10:19, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

@787IYO: 'Project talk namespace' should be 'Wikipedia talk'.. Please correct it right now. --Sotiale (talk) 12:08, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

I have done as requested. 787IYO (talk) 22:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Betawi Wiktionary

Hello Language Committe, the Betawi Wiktionary project has been active for 5 months and the community would like the project to be approved. The request for the approval has been made here. Thank you from us Pitchrigi, Bangrapip, and me. NikolasKHF (talk) 11:02, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

It is positive. I plan to monitor the activity over the next month and then begin the process for approval. Thank you for your hard work. --Sotiale (talk) 15:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

I understand, thank you very much for the response. NikolasKHF (talk) 22:55, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Madurese wikisource

I keep asking this multiple times. Do you mind to tell me what's the problem so we can adress to work on the hatching. it's been more three monts Agus Damanik (talk) 03:09, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 Agus Damanik (talk) 10:58, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Why ping me? Anyway it looks like @Sotiale: proposed approval of mad.wikisource as per [1], you may instead ask that member on the approval process. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:30, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Just think that you are quite active responding. Sorry if i annoy you. Thank you for the mailing list. I don't know if it exist. Once again, sorry to ping you Agus Damanik (talk) 05:46, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale is there any thing that we need to improve, cause i see that tagalog wikisource is approved recently. Thank you Agus Damanik (talk) 05:49, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

I started a discussion about approval because I thought your project met the requirements for approval at the time I initiated that thread. However, none of my colleagues responded. The only advice I can give you is to increase the number of pages from the current number and to keep active. I will send a reminder email to start the discussion again. --Sotiale (talk) 08:42, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

got it Agus Damanik (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Dear @Sotiale, I'm one of the member of the community user group. I will forward it the community Boesenbergia (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Madurese Wikisource

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T391747

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikisource Madurese. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --Sotiale (talk) 12:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Agus Damanik: Please make sure all settings are correct. Thanks. --Sotiale (talk) 12:18, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

See phab:T391747. --Sotiale (talk) 14:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the update Boesenbergia (talk) 13:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Magahi Wikipedia

Hello Language Committe, the Magahi Wikipedia test project has been active for over a year and we would like it to be approved. The request for the approval has been made here. Please review the project and suggest if anything more needs to be done. Thanks - ऐक्टिवेटेड् (talk) 00:43, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm planning on starting a review on this; this Sunday. --Sotiale (talk) 13:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Hiligaynon and 5 other Philippine languages

Hello Language Committee, the following proposed Wikisource projects in the Philippine languages: Hiligaynon, Ilokano, Kapampangan, Pangasinan, Sinugboanon, Waray have been active for at least 5 months (hil, ilo, pam, pan, ceb, war) due to the Wikisource Loves Manuscripts PH program launched in June 2024, and the community would like the project to be reviewed for approval.

There is no Wikimedia project yet in Hiligaynon language. --Filipinayzd (talk) 05:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for Malay Wikiquote

Hello Language Committee, the Malay Wikiquote project has been active for 5 months. We kindly request your review of this project and hope that the Committee can approve it. Thank you. - Rulwarih (talk) 01:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Ancient Greek is a “living”, “L2-speakers-only” language according to SIL

Respected Sirs and Madams,

Hi!

Last year, we discussed the admissibility of an Ancient Greek Wikipedia. Amir E. Aharoni sent an e-mail to SIL (the organization which manages both ISO 639 and Ethnologue, as you know), asking to clarify why they classify Ancient Greek both as an “historical language” and as a “living language” (I have not "unarchived" our 2024 conversation because it was very long; let me know if I should do otherwise; for those who might want to read it again, it was titled “Classical languages”).

Since I did not receive any news, I have also tried to write to SIL, asking some questions, and they confirmed that “‘historical’ language does not imply ‘extinct’”. They also provided me with this Ancient Greek language card: grc language status is “code 9” (“second language only”), while “extinct” would be represented by code 10.

Here is their definition of code 9:

"Second Language Only status. While there are many languages that are used as second languages by large populations of speakers, the phrase “Second language only” is used to identify a specific category made up of those languages which are used as second languages but have no L1 speakers and generally weak or secondary ethnic or identity associations. These may include languages of special use, such as languages of initiation, languages of interethnic communication, liturgical languages, as well as cants and jargons. Most often these languages are given a status of EGIDS 3 (Wider Communication) but are identified in this way as well because of the absence of L1 speakers."

On the one hand, it is true that no one speaks just Classical Greek and no “modern” language; on the other hand, SIL is a bit too hasty when it describes the contemporary use of Ancient Greek as just "religious". In fact, Classical Greek is also used by classicists as a vehicular language: Today, it is possible to find classes taught in Classical Greek (even online, e.g. this reading and commentary in Classical Greek of the Apology of Socrates); it is even possible to learn other languages through Classical Greek, such as Ancient Persian: this is particularly interesting, because it is difficult to find classes of Ancient Persian even in “modern” languages.

For these reasons – along with those I have already expressed in 2024 – I’d like to ask you to revise your restrictive policy towards Classical Greek, and to admit the theoretical possibility of an Ancient Greek Wikipedia (maintaining firm that it must meet also the other admissibility criteria, before final approval). Thank you very much for your attention! Anaxicrates (talk) 18:07, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I'd like to report to you that on Monday, April 14, UNESCO's Executive Board unanimously adopted a decision proposing the proclamation of February 9th as "World Greek Language Day". This is indeed a recognition of the special value of the Greek language, since this privilege has been accorded to no more than 8 other international languages. In particular, Classical Greek played a crucial role in this decision, as you may read in the Explanatory Note on the UNESCO website. There, among other things it is stated that:

Greek combines four particularly significant characteristics:
1) An unbroken continuity of 40 centuries of oral tradition and 35 centuries of written tradition [...].
2) A highly elaborated structure as a language (vocabulary, grammar and syntax), due to its use by unparalleled historical figures of literature, poetry, theatre, philosophy, politics and science, such as Homer, Plato, Aristotle, Aeschylus, Thucydides, Hippocrates, Archimedes [...].
3) A widespread presence in many languages, as, over time, Greek has been one of the most important languages in terms of its influence on all other European languages and, through them, in the world of languages [...].
4) The Greek language was and remains to this day an inexhaustible source of international scientific terminology [...]. This is an internationally recognized feature of Greek, which is clearly documented, based on empirical and historical data.
As the linguistic cradle of basic concepts of culture, science and philosophy, Greek holds, by historical and objective criteria, a distinct place among the languages of the world [...].
Historically, the Greek language occupies a key position in intellectual thought, in the linguistic expression and formulation of fundamental concepts and key words of European and wider, almost universal intellectual thought which are conveyed, understood or traced in words/concepts of the Greek language.

Thanks for your attention! Yours, Anaxicrates (talk) 17:37, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

What I can tell you is that your screenshot uploaded to Commons is now deleted due to lack of evidences why SIL permitted you to upload here under a proper free license. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:37, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that was inevitable, because I didn't ask them to compile the necessary form to keep it online any longer. Anyway, SIL showed us the "Standard view" language card in the hope "this helps you decide how to proceed."

Regarding the fact that they consider Ancient Greek both as a "historical" and a "living" language, they replied to my inquiry stating: "You are correct that historical language does not imply extinct".

They also told me that "In the Starter view, the language vitality portion is less specific, though the heading does note that Ancient Greek [grc] is used only as a second language". Anaxicrates (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

📝 Application to Add Indus-Kohistani Language to Wikipedia

To:

Language Committee,
Wikimedia Foundation

Subject: Request for the Addition of Indus-Kohistani Language to Wikipedia Respected Members of the Language Committee, I am writing to formally request the creation of a new Wikipedia edition in the Indus-Kohistani language, under the ISO 639-3 code mvy. Indus-Kohistani is an endangered Dardic language spoken natively in the upper Indus Valley of Northern Pakistan, primarily across the Kohistan region and adjoining areas of Gilgit-Baltistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. With over 200,000 native speakers, the language holds a rich oral heritage, comprising traditional poetry, folktales, epic songs, and indigenous knowledge systems. Despite its cultural and historical significance, Indus-Kohistani has limited digital representation and almost no presence in modern online encyclopedias or academic repositories. Creating a Wikipedia in Indus-Kohistani would serve as a major step in revitalizing and digitally preserving this unique linguistic heritage. We have already initiated work on a test project on the Wikimedia Incubator, where native speakers and language enthusiasts have begun developing content in Indus-Kohistani. Additionally, we are actively working through TranslateWiki.net to translate the necessary interface messages into the language, and we have three committed contributors who are ready to maintain and grow the project. The language has: A valid ISO 639-3 code: mvy A growing user base interested in knowledge contribution Orthographic consistency in Perso-Arabic script Cultural and educational value that aligns with Wikimedia’s mission In light of these points, I respectfully request that the Language Committee approve the creation of a dedicated Indus-Kohistani Wikipedia to help preserve, promote, and empower this endangered language and its speakers. Thank you for considering this proposal. I am available to provide further information, answer any questions, or assist in the development process in any way needed.

With highest regards,

Saif Ullah Jailani General Secretary, Forum for Indus-Kohistani Research & Culture Development Location: Gilgit, Pakistan Xl8saif (talk) 07:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

You're in the wrong place. See Requests for new languages for the correct process to follow, rather than posting what looks like an AI-generated form letter. And incubator:Wp/mvy doesn't exist to begin with, so We have already initiated work on a test project on the Wikimedia Incubator seems wrong. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 19:26, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Minangkabau Wikibooks

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T395452

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Minangkabau. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. (Ping: User:Zhilal Darma) --MF-W 22:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg I have forwarded it to the community. Thanks Zhilal Darma (talk) 15:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Note: Phabricator task not yet created, but the creation of new wikis is blocked at the moment anyway. --MF-W 22:14, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Création d'un wikipédia en langue pazande

Bonjour,

Je vous écris pour demander la création d’un wiki en langue pazande (zandé). C’est une langue parlée par beaucoup de gens en Centrafrique, au Congo et au Soudan du Sud. Mais jusqu’à maintenant, y’a pas vraiment de contenu en pazande sur internet.

Un wiki dans cette langue serait utile pour :

• Garder la langue vivante,
• Apprendre à ceux qui la parlent ou veulent l’apprendre,
• Et montrer que le pazande a aussi sa place en ligne.

Si ce projet voit le jour, je suis partant(e) pour aider.

Merci d’avance pour votre attention.

Azi ni,

Mbï a zïmbi mo sï mbï sô na gbêtê wiki na pazande. Pazande azzî gï mô ti mbênî na Ködörözêse tî Afrika, Kongö na Südan. Kasi na internet, ayekée lïngdï sô na pazande.

Wiki na pazande ape gï tî :

• Tî fîngö pazande sô ayeke pû,
• Tî kûa na mo sô yeke sîngö pazande,
• Tî gï pazande pû sô na internet.

Sô lo yeke gba ndë, mbï yeke gï sï na kûa.

Mbaraka mingi. Bulhornes (talk) 19:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Voici le code status = open

| language = Zande language

| meta = no

| mainpage = Wp/zne/Main Page

}} Bulhornes (talk) 19:18, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

User:Bulhornes: You can start this project at incubator:Wp/zne. --MF-W 22:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Merci, je vais le faire! Bulhornes (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Bengali Wikinews

Hello, I am an active editor of Bengali Wikinews. The Bengali Wikinews is a highly active test project, and I am requesting its approval. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 05:43, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Very positive, but I would like to see activity next month(April). If activity is similar to the current one next month, I would like to start a discussion for approval. --Sotiale (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale Can you give us any update? We are so excited! Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 05:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I have a problem with this that I can't reveal right now. I heard that it will be released soon. This is not your problem, so don't worry too much. --Sotiale (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @Sotiale, Is there anything the community or editors can do to help resolve the issues? Thanks. Asked42 (talk) 14:34, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh! Thanks @Asked42. I was thinking about this type of answer. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

@Asked42: Unfortunately, there is nothing I am authorized to disclose at this time. I'll let you know when it's officially released. Or maybe this has already been made public, but I haven't caught on yet. I want to emphasize again that this is not your community's problem. --Sotiale (talk) 14:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale Thank you for the clarification, but we still do not fully understand the issue. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 15:01, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Just to prevent it from getting archived. BTW, is there any update or Has the creation of new wikis resumed? @Sotiale:. -- Asked42 (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

I also don't think I've heard anything further, I'll find out and get back to you. --Sotiale (talk) 09:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

You may find some related information at this link: Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force. It would be best to contact them for more details. --Sotiale (talk) 09:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

I'll reach out to the task force members. I hadn't realized the situation with the project might be this serious. Thank you for your help. Asked42 (talk) 11:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to become a member

Imaynallan, Hello to everyone,

I would like to express my interest in becoming a member of the Language Committee. I am a native speaker of the Puno Quechua language, and a near native speaker of various Quechua languages. Additionally, I speak Spanish, Italian, and basic German. Since years, I have been supporting the inclusion of the Quechua language (qu) on various Wikimedia projects, and I have a deep interest on supporting Under-Resourced Languages. Last but not least, I have noticed that the South American region may need some representation in the language committee, and I would like to support this region and these topics.

It would be an honour if I can support more language communities to be part of the Wikimedia ecosystem.

Elwinlhq (talk) 08:52, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Please email me a statement attesting to your community activities and linguistic expertise. I will forward it to the langcom internal mailing list. --Sotiale (talk) 09:57, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to Verify Bengali Wikiversity

Hello Language Committee,
We are an active group working on Bengali Wikiversity. Beta Wikiversity now has regular/primary content with 3+ active editors and a Telegram group coordinating the work. The interface is 98% translated. Please reconsider and verify the project. Thank you for understand. ~ KHATTAB (DM) 17:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm wondering if it requires approval or eligible marking. For approval, I probably need to mention some issues that need to be addressed, probably due to differences between betawikiversity and incubatorwiki. --Sotiale (talk) 09:49, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale That's the case then. It is very difficult even contributing there. Many time I see templates already created with the latin letters but contents with non-latin characters, that I don't understand. And my contributes not count until I don't add a category. ~ KHATTAB (DM) 11:26, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

I don't think activity should be measured solely by Catanalysis in the same way as it's done for the Incubator. For example, if we make edits outside the 'BN' category but specifically for Bengali Wikiversity, those edits may not be counted. As @খাত্তাব হাসান mentioned, creating templates and modules is particularly challenging on Beta. There should ideally be a better solution, but for now, I suggest maintaining a manual list of active editors, which can be verified if needed. Also, using the Wv/bn/ prefix can help distinguish our templates and modules from those of other language versions. @Sotiale. -- Asked42 (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

I never mentioned that there was a problem with the activity. betawikiversity and incubatorwiki clearly have different characteristics, and are currently very vague, but when the project first started, it did not have the same system as incubatorwiki for various reasons. This means that it cannot enjoy the convenience of incubatorwiki. There are several reasons, but in conclusion, you need to add bn category to all bn pages so that importing is not missed, or you need to create a separate page for importing, so adding bn category method is the most appropriate way. --Sotiale (talk) 02:37, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Final Approval Request for Hausa Wikiquote

Hello,

The Hausa Wikiquote has being active for up to 3years now (since JUly 2022), with more than 2000 articles. We request for the final approval of the Project. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wq/ha/Babban_shafi Uncle Bash007 (talk) 13:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

February and May are a bit discontinuous in terms of activity, as you are the only valid contributor. I think it could be approved if you could make contributors a bit more consistent. Thank you for your efforts! --Sotiale (talk) 10:03, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale, I think the reason for the small discontinuity is because we use to get highest number of contributions during a campaign (SheSaid), and after the campaign it stops. We are about to start another campaign in September. Another reason is I think, people prefer editing from a main Project, not Incubator. We will continue encouraging people to contribute though. I will get back to you when the contributors increase. Uncle Bash007 (talk) 09:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale, there has being improvement in the number of edits on Hausa Wikiquote, kindly review and approve it.Uncle Bash007 (talk) 11:25, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikivoyage Tamil

I would want to close this request since it has been nearly stale for almost 4 years now. If further discussion should happen, it shall happen in a new discussion. Faster than Thunder (talk) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

There is no need to close it. It is verified as eligible. --MF-W 11:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Do we need to do anything about the discussion being stale for almost 4 years individually? Faster than Thunder (talk) 16:32, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

No. There's little need for discussion on such a request. Tamil is one of top 25 most spoken languages in world, no matter how you cut it, and there's none of the issues that cloud Arabic languages. If there's enough editors and editing, the WMF will create the project.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:35, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Apparently, the wiki is almost ready:

• 2/3 stable recent contributors:
  • Faster than Thunder (Unprivileged)
  • Arularasan. G (Administrator on Tamil Wikipedia)
  • Only unstable contributors other than these two. P.S. me and Arularasan G are very likely to end up as administrators on Tamil Wikivoyage once it does actually get created.
• 341 pages
• 1.3k edits

To sum it all, we only need a third contributor to the wiki before it actually leaves the incubator. Faster than Thunder (talk) 22:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to Verify Hiligaynon Wikisource

Dear Language Committee,

The Hiligaynon Wikisource project has been active for 11 months. We would like to request to review the project for its approval. The activity started in July 2024 and if approved, this would be the first Wikimedia project in Hiligaynon language, the 4th most spoken native language in the Philippines. Thanks. --Filipinayzd (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Dear Language Committe,

I've been actively proofreading and editing Hiligaynon Wikisource for 7 out of the 11 months it has been active. As a native of Bicol, I first focused on proofreading and editing Bicol/Bikol, then moved on to Tagalog. Later, I started exploring other languages like Hiligaynon and Cebuano. I noticed some similarities, some words sound similar and have related meanings, making it easier for me. —ShmilyDigital (talk) 06:14, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I haven't looked into other reviews on this, but the sustainability of the community itself is positive enough. However, since there are still 15 days left in this month, I would like to ask you to continue contributing so that it doesn't look like a sudden hiatus. I think this is the first Wikimedia project related to this language, correct? --Sotiale (talk) 13:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

That is correct, this is a new language to have its own Wikimedia project. --Filipinayzd (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Request for rejection: Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Jewish Babylonian Aramaic 2

Following its relative discussions, it currently has consensus that the proposer Eliahu21 can't really understand the language they proposed, and only provide their own propagandas, and as an extinct language, where several proposals to change policy in order to re-allow such languages are either invalid or rejected elsewhere, I don't see any sunshines that this RFL can however be eligible. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:18, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Standard Moroccan Tamazight Wiktionary

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T399684

Hello all!

The language committee intends to approve the Standard Moroccan Tamazight Wiktionary, a.k.a. zghwiktionary or Wt/zgh (request). If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page.

Thanks! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 13:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Jon,

I hope you are doing well.

Thank you for proposing Standard Moroccan Tamazight Wiktionary to be approved.

I see no objections after 16 days but zghwikt still in the incubator. Please let us know if there is anything else we have to do.

Have a wonderful weekend.-- Essaidib2 (talk) 16:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Essaidib2: Hi! Sorry, I was on vacation, so it took me a little longer than usual to follow up. I have filed the bug to create the wiki now, but note that there is a technical issue with creating any wikis at the moment, so you might have to wait for a while, unfortunately. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 06:49, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Jon, welcome back. Thanks for your reply and for your efforts. Take your time. Essaidib2 (talk) 08:19, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 14:51, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Why

Why can't I make a Wiki project in an Ongan language 79.140.150.149 15:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

What is the language's ISO 639 code? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Interesting, did a search resulted 5 opinions: Bolongan (blj), Finongan (fag), Hovongan (hov), Binongan Itneg (itb) and Rarotongan (rar), only the last one has Incubator test which corresponded to a request created and closed decades ago. Anyway, 79.140.150.149, hopefully you can register an account since it's no longer allowed to make a request in anonymous status. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 20:56, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

It's just a technicality, but it was never allowed. The Language proposal policy has required an account since its creation in 2006. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:30, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 14:51, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Serbian Wikivoyage – status and merger

Dear members of the Language Committee,

In late 2019, Serbian Wikivoyage was marked as eligible in this Meta request. However, as of now, all pages, except for the main page, have been written in Serbo-Croatian (Gaj's) Latin script. Since we also have Serbo-Croatian Wikivoyage marked as eligible, I would suggest that LangCom reconsider the Serbian Wikivoyage's Meta request and consider a possible merger with the Serbo-Croatian Wikivoyage. That way we would have a unified wiki for this project.

Thank you in advance, Aca (talk) 23:20, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Just wonder, can both "eligible" RFL page be also merged? Or should Serbian one be marked as rejected with reasons like in favor of Serbo-Croatian? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:07, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

The second option seems more practical to me. It is up to the LangCom though. – Aca (talk) 14:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

For record: the Wikinews Croatian request is also "eligible", though there's no Serbo-Croatian request, should this request be renamed to Wikinews Serbo-Croatian too, plus incubator:Wn/hr should be renamed (or if n:bs: contents been imported early-birdly, merge and redirect)? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Not in favor of renaming because the discussion had gained momentum there, and the context is quite different. However, I would support that LangCom reconsider this request as well. If the new decisions are in favor of a unified project, the language code for Wikinews can be renamed, creating a common/unified Serbo-Croatian wiki on Incubator. – Aca (talk) 14:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

 Comment @Aca: Hello, my fellow South Slavic editor Aca, before proceeding with any such merge, I'd kindly advise you to consult with the Serbian Wikimedia community first and to seek their feedback as well. Tyvm in advance, the fake Arab dude. --نوفاك اتشمان (talk) 15:59, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! Sure thing, the community will be consulted after the feedback from LangCom. – Aca (talk) 16:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

👍 --نوفاك اتشمان (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Eligble Request For Noakhalian Wikipedia

Here It is! Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 10:12, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

@Amire80 Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 02:11, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I emailed the Language committee about it. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikiquote Betawi - status

Hello Language Committee, our people are developing Wikiquote Betawi. Now, we obtained 4 months streak. We kindly request the best for our projects in Betawi language. Thank you. -- Pitchrigi (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for Malay Wikiquote

Hi Language Committee, is there any issue that we need to resolve before the approval for this site? It is because the previous request was archived before any update. Thank you in advance. - Rulwarih (talk) 12:06, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi. For some reason I remember reserving judgment on this. I think this will be resolved next month, so I would like to ask you to continue contributing more intensively than before during the remaining month of June. Thank you! If I don't start a discussion for approval before July 15, please ping me so I can do it. --Sotiale (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Rulwarih (talk) 07:04, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sotiale, just to ping you since it's already July. Thank you. Rulwarih (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion started. --Sotiale (talk) 13:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for Betawi Wiktionary

Hello Language Committee, The Betawi Wiktionary project has been active for 5 months. We kindly request your review of this project and hope that the committee can approve it soon. Thank you. - Pitchrigi (talk) 14:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Language Committee, is there any issue that we need to resolve before the approval for this site? It is because the previous request was archived before any update. Thank you in advance. NikolasKHF (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

All you have to do is make the ' Most important messages' part of this link 100%. I will start discussing it for approval soon. --Sotiale (talk) 09:53, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

The discussion has just begun. --Sotiale (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for the update! NikolasKHF (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for great information. We hope that Betawi Wiktionary can be released as soon as possible. Pitchrigi (talk) 06:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello Language Committee, what do we have for approval Betawi Wiktionary next or is there any information for approval Betawi Wiktionary? Because our project has been active for 6 months, Thank you Pitchrigi (talk) 13:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

After the discussion has already started, the process is carried out within langcom, and the approval is decided after all the verification procedures are completed. After that, the request is registered in phabricator and the work is passed on to the developers. After approval, the production will generally proceed within 2 weeks. --Sotiale (talk) 13:21, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

This process is still ongoing and you will be contacted separately before it is handed over to the developers. Please wait a moment as it is being processed now, thank you! --Sotiale (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the update! We are so exciting regarding the news! NikolasKHF (talk) 14:01, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the great news Liem Koo Ga (talk) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Sotiale or other Language Committee. I just want to ping, because it's already July. Is there any update for Wiktionary Betawi approval, because we have 7 months streak. Thank you for kindly attention. We hope the best information about our project. Pitchrigi (talk) 12:32, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

I think the discussion has paused for a moment. Let me start it again. I've been busy lately, so I might not be able to keep up with everything. If you don't hear from me for more than 10 days, please ping me. --Sotiale (talk) 13:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Sotiale, Because it's already eleven days, I want to remind you about approval request of Betawi Wiktionary. Thank you -- Pitchrigi (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

You know I started the discussion at the end of May. Since then, there have been 2 in favor, including me, but further discussion has been delayed. I am as frustrated as you are, and I will send the list an email to proceed with the discussion at the end. --Sotiale (talk) 14:23, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your support and help, @Sotiale. We are so excited about any update that you bring. NikolasKHF (talk) 14:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for Nigerian Pidgin Wikiquote (Wq/pcm)

Hello Langcom,

We are requesting approval for the creation of pcm.wikiquote.org. We have been working on these for some months. Please look into it for approval . Thank you. Pingponging (talk) 09:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I haven't looked into it in depth, but if your activities continue at the current level until the end of August, sustainability won't be a problem. I hope you can increase the number of pages compared to now. --Sotiale (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for the Antiguan and Barbudan Wikipedia

Dear Language Committee,

The Antiguan and Barbudan Wikipedia (aig.wikipedia.org) has been active for nearly four months now with a consistent active editor base and frequent content improvements (as well as continuing interface translation), meeting all requirements in the manual. All boxes on the request page including the SVG logo are filled in. We are fully ready for the project to be approved and we are prepared to immediately implement any final fixes that may be necessary as requested by the committee. We understand that we need a linguist to review the project before approval as this is the first project in this language, and after a careful search, we have found organizations such as the Society for Caribbean Linguistics and if not possible, the local University of the West Indies at Five Islands (and UWI in general) that could be willing to review.

Thank you very much. CROIX (talk) 03:30, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

I appreciate your efforts. It has been 3 months since you and other active editors have been active, and this activity is positive, but I need to see if it continues a little longer. If this activity continues for a few more months, I am sure there will be positive results. --Sotiale (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Alright, we will keep that noted and we will continue to edit. CROIX (talk) 15:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

An Idea: Add Siksiká / ᓱᖽᐧᖿ as a Wikipedia Language

Óki! (Hello!) i’m here for a idea to add Siksiká / ᓱᖽᐧᖿ to a Wikipedia Language. But i need help, i need people who are fluent or native Blackfoot speakers, I’m Blackfoot but i’m not fluent in Blackfoot, but if someone see my comment, message me. Okay thank you. ᖻᒪᓱ ᒋᔈᒪ (talk) 00:08, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi! This is a nice initiative!

I do have to say, however, that it is unlikely that your message will be seen by Blackfoot people here. I recommend reaching out directly to Blackfoot cultural organizations. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 01:48, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Requesting for the approval of the Wali Wikipedia

The Wali Wikipedia has been active more than 4 months now. We would like the Languages Committee to start the approval process. This is our humble request. Thank you. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 20:10, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

The steady activity is positive, but the number of active editors seems to be somewhat unstable. I think I will have to wait and see until next month, and I believe that if you make efforts to keep the number of editors stable, there will be positive results. --Sotiale (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Very well Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 22:27, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia

Dear LangCom, may I ask you to consider approving the Interslavic Wikipedia, currently still in the Incubator? It was established in May 2024. During the first few months, there was little activity, because we still worked in our external wiki, but since August 2024 there hasn't been a single day without activity. In October, the project was marked as eligible. To sum it up:

• Since August 2024, there have always been at least six, but usually at least some ten to fifteen contributors with more than ten edits each month. That's eleven months!
• Currently, we have well over 1000 articles (exclusing redirects, of course), about sixty of which have more than 10000 KB, and most of the remaining articles are medium-sized.
• I can confirm that (almost) everything is written in decent Interslavic.
• In addition, all core messages have been translated in Latin orthography (see https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn) and most of them also in Cyrillic (see https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl).
• For what it is worth, our communities currently consist of 25–30 thousand people, much more than any other constructed language except Esperanto. Besides, the Interslavic Wikipedia is intended to be useful not only for active users of Interslavic, but also for others who can read one or more Slavic languages.
• See also: User talk:Jon Harald Søby#Help needed with Wp/isv and User talk:Jon Harald Søby#Interslavic Wikipedia.

In other words, I believe all criteria for approval are more than fulfilled!

Best regards, IJzeren Jan (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC) (NB This is the second request for approval. A previous one, made in January, never received an answer)

A response from the Language Committee would be greatly appreciated. If any additional information is needed, I'll be happy to provide it! By the way, could someone tell me why this link give an error: https://iw.toolforge.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php%3Fcat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki ? IJzeren Jan (talk) 16:08, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Maybe you need to ping some of the language committee members so they can see and respond faster. 85.249.167.59 17:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

No need to, their members are subscribing this talk page so you don't ever need any pings. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

The error appears not only at wp/isv, at wp/cnr too https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/cnr&wiki=incubatorwiki 85.249.171.157 15:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The problem has been solved by PathoSchild in the meantime. The Language Committee can check for itself if all requirements w.r.t. activity are met. Please, LangCom, it's almost three weeks after I made my request, and half a year after a similar request by another contributor was left unanswered. I don't want to be pushy, but it's kind of frustrating when our questions and requests to the Language Committee are systematically being ignored. Best regards, IJzeren Jan (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I think there is no answer, because isv is an constructed language, and for constructed languages, as John wrote, the requirements are stricter than for natural ones. But then why not write what exactly is missing for approve? 85.249.165.91 21:34, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Amire80, Jon Harald Søby 85.249.166.165 19:31, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Write already what needs to be done or for what reason you don’t want to approve Interslavic Wikipedia, so that people don’t suffer endlessly waiting for an answer, don’t ignore it. 85.249.166.165 19:36, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Everything is clear... 176.15.196.110 09:58, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Follow-up on Toki Pona Wikipedia

dear, Language Commmittee. I'm a contributor and translator for toki pona in Wikimedia projects. has the Committee followed up on the discussions for toki pona Wikipedia? the project was marked as eligible over 7 months ago, and our community hasn't received any further feedback. in a private channel, I have asked Amire80 (who marked the project has eligible) about this, and he requested for me to be bold and create a topic here. I hope to soon hear from the Committee. JnpoJuwan (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

pinging @Tamzin and @Tbodt as they may also be interested. JnpoJuwan (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this issue, JnpoJuwan. With the request having been accepted as eligible, the question would now be about migrating wikipesija.org to a Wikimedia wiki, correct? Is there a consensus for doing this among the wikipesija community? --MF-W 13:32, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

I believe there is, but I have started this discussion to be sure. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 14:09, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

What an impressive number of participants already! Will the discussion be formally closed after some time? -- MF-W 10:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I was planning to ask Tepo (Tbodt) to close it if there's no serious disagreement after a few days. (Currently it's 12–0, and the only qualms that have been raised are Lolen's suggestion to maintain the two as separate wikis, which no one else has supported, and Tepo's desire to retain a custom extension he wrote, which is a solvable problem and I don't think is a blocker to moving forward.) The community's probably too small to have an uninvolved closer, but it makes sense for Tepo to close it as sysadmin and the one most involved in the technical configuration. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 10:50, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: Tepo has now closed the discussion. Translating his close:

“ It apppears that the community wants this. The considerable majority of participants only said good things and simply supported. One user wanted to delete all of the pages and start over again because a number of pages have problems with their grammar or spelling. But other users don't want to just delete things, and would rather fix such pages in time. I said that we need a novel software. But this is possible. This software and all of our work can become part of Wikimedia. This concludes the discussion. ”

Elaborating on two of those points (just speaking for myself):

1. My own assessment, from having spent more time on the wiki this past week or so, is that the number of pages with language issues is non-trivial but far from catastrophic, and this seems to be the sense of the community as well. We do already have maintenance templates and categories in place, and in this discussion I suggested a policy of being relatively aggressive in removing or draftifying such pages. I've also proposed a contribution policy which includes words of caution about overestimating one's proficiency in the language. I'm confident that the community can adapt as needed to any potential influx of low-proficiency edits if we become a Wikipedia.
2. The software issue mentioned there is phab:T397999. That may yet go a number of directions, but definitely isn't a blocker since, worst-case scenario, we can emulate the desired behavior with JavaScript. That said, if anyone reading this is on a WMF team interested in adopting a 46-line extension, please do have a look!

-- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 08:13, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Pulled this out of the archive. @MF-Warburg: Is there anything else we can be doing here to hasten approval? As noted above, we have a rough idea of a contribution policy and plans to address any influx of overly-confident novices. The last 50 in RecentChanges go back fewer than 72 hours, and upon moving to Wikimedia servers we'd ping everyone here who's expressed interest in contributing, as well as advertising the move heavily in Toki Pona spaces. We also have three admins, all of whom (I think, admittedly biased as one of them) would be reconfirmed without issue upon transition to Wikimedia servers, so we'd be well-equipped for any growing pains on that side. And we've had some internal discussions about the technical aspects of merging in, including what I think is a very workable plan for handling the fact that many users will have both Wikipesija.org accounts and Wikimedia SULs, which I'm happy to get the ball rolling on discussing on Phab at whatever time is appropriate. Pinging also @Amire80 and @Jon Harald Søby per some past discussions on this topic. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 10:05, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

User:Tamzin: Amir has proposed approving the creation of a new Wikipedia, and I am confident that it will be passed. It would be good to collaborate on the importing process. As it will be from a separate wiki, it would be great to have (most of it?) done by community members themselves. Let's discuss at Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Toki_Pona_2#Wiki_move if everything is ready for the Phabricator task to be created etc. --MF-W 22:00, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

Approval Request for Hausa Wikiquote

Hello,

I have being following up for this… Hausa Wikiquote is now on its 3year under Incubator with thousands of pages[2], I don’t understand hy it will not be approved despite requests and reminders. Uncle Bash007 (talk) 01:36, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

You may be very active and dedicated to the project, but it may be very unstable for the community as a whole. In February and May, you were the only one editing, so the community as a whole has been repeating a pattern of sudden activity and then disappearance. The last two months have been very encouraging, and if the activity in the next month is the same as now, I think I can review it positively. Thank you for your efforts. --Sotiale (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Ok.. thank you Uncle Bash007 (talk) 17:37, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Hiligaynon, Waray, Kapampangan, Sinugboanon Wikisource projects

Hello @Sotiale or other Language Committee. I just want to ping because Hiligaynon, Waray, Kapampangan, Sinugboanon Wikisource projects have been active for over a year now. Thank you for your kind attention. We hope the best information about our project. --Filipinayzd (talk) 16:31, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Betawi Wiktionary

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T402130

Hi. The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Betawi. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --Sotiale (talk) 03:14, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

@NikolasKHF: I would like to ask you to review the previous cases with your community to ensure that all settings are set up without any issues at the link above. Thank you. --Sotiale (talk) 03:15, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sotiale, thank you for the update! We have reviewed the settings we found no issues. Thank you! NikolasKHF (talk) 11:08, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

@NikolasKHF: What is namespace Tèmplokan for? It would be helpful if you could tell me what Wikimedia wiki namespace this is. If it's a new namespace, please let me know what it does. And is the name of this project "Betawi Wikikamus" correct? --Sotiale (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sotiale, Tèmplokan namespace is basically the Appendix namespace in enwikt. We will have glosarium or additional information regarding words in this namespace. Some example of pages in enwikt: wikt:Appendix:Indonesian–Standard_Malay_relations or wikt:Appendix:Glossary_of_military_slang. The same namespace is called Lampiran in idwikt.

As for the name of the project, we prefer using "Wikikamus basa Betawi" if we use Betawi or "Betawi Wiktionary" if it is in English. Thanks! NikolasKHF (talk) 12:49, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

See phab:T402130. --Sotiale (talk) 10:36, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the update, @Sotiale! NikolasKHF (talk) 10:40, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 11:44, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Toki Pona Wikipedia

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T404457

The Language Committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Toki Pona 2. If you have any objections to that based on the Language Proposal Policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the technical questions regarding the wiki creation are being discussed on the request page. --MF-W 08:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Okay I'll try my best to not provoke you again, but shouldn't incubator:Wp/tok (just portal page without any subpages within it) be created to explain this special case, where it's so approved with external contents instead of Incubator? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:28, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

I think this is a reasonable request (though not a blocker). Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:33, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

That's a topic for Incubator, not Meta. --MF-W 13:49, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 11:44, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Malay Wikiquote

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T404698

Hi. The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikiquote Malay. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --Sotiale (talk) 13:48, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

@Rulwarih: Unless there are special circumstances, after discussion in your community, you may confirm or change the following: 1) Please ensure that all settings on this page are correct. 2) Local uploads should all be "no" unless there's an EDP policy in place. If there's a local EDP policy in place, additional verification may delay approval. 3) Is the SVG file listed in 'Additional settings' different from the logo file? If not, delete the content of 'Additional settings.' --Sotiale (talk) 13:55, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

I opened a discussion in the incubator for the community give responses about this. Based on your question above, they agree on: 1) all settings are correct. 2) We decide "no" for local uploads. and 3) the SVG file is different. The SVG file in 'Additional settings' is for wordmark. Thank you. Rulwarih (talk) 14:30, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

@Rulwarih: Thank you. Just a final question to confirm, is this the correct logo? Would it be okay to create a wiki using that as a logo file? --Sotiale (talk) 13:02, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

If the logo is correct, I can create a ticket for you. Please leave a message on my talkpage so I can login and create your ticket(I've been busy lately, so I might not remember this. If you leave a talkpage message, I'll get a notification email). --Sotiale (talk) 13:06, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Approved. See phab:T404698. --Sotiale (talk) 10:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 11:44, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

How long are project closure proposals supposed to run for?

I ask because it's been nine months since Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Greenlandic Wikipedia was opened, and there's another four that were opened in 2024 and before (including one that dates to 2021[!]). Ed ^{[talk] [en]} 03:14, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

There is no fixed time, but the Greenlandic proposal has indeed been open for long enough, with a rather clear consensus. I will try to close it later. The Lak proposal is open for such a long time now because there were multiple phases of activity on the wiki starting and stopping again, but I will also try to close it soon. --MF-W 15:34, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for Minangkabau Wikisource

Hello Language Committee, The Minangkabau Wikisource project has been active for 4 months and the community would like the project to be approved. The request for the approval has been made here. Thank you.Zhilal Darma (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello Language Committee, are there any issues we need to address before this site is approved? What do we need to do to get this Minangkabau Wikisource approved. Thank you. Zhilal Darma (talk) 12:42, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

A discussion for approval has begun. --Sotiale (talk) 14:50, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

MediaWiki support for Levantine Arabic with Latin script

Hello, what would be the procedure to request full support for apc-latn (Levantine Arabic with Latin script) on MediaWiki? I didn't see the language code on TranslateWiki.net. I'd like to start transliterating the interface from apc to apc-latn with help from script conversion tools and native speakers, so it can be made available on the MediaWiki software and we can choose it on Incubator, WikiData, and all other Wikimedia projects. This is especially important for a significant number of native Levantine speakers who can only read and write in the Latin script. Thanks for your guidance. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 04:52, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Note: A nice photograph by journalist Kazim Kizil, where indigenous speakers in Antakya, Turkey, are holding a Levantine Arabic sign in Latin script, just to illustrate my point. If we want to reach those people, I believe we need to think more about the steps needed for accessibility in the Latin script. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 17:43, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Korean Wikivoyage

The active human base at the Korean test wiki here probably isn’t met yet, but is starting to increase in active test wiki users in the last hour. I don’t know how. Can you see if it is approval worthy? HtialilwW (talk) 12:30, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely not. --Sotiale (talk) 14:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Okay. HtialilwW (talk) 05:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Request for approval of Nigerian Pidgin Wikiquote (Wq/pcm)

Hello Langcom,

We are requesting the approval for the creation of the Nigerian Pidgin Wikiquote subdomain. We have been working on this for many months now. Kind regards, Jonywikis (talk) 07:40, 2 September 2025 (UTC) @Sotiale:, @MF-Warburg:Pingponging (talk) 08:37, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

Discussions for approval have begun. Good luck. --Sotiale (talk) 14:09, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

Follow up for Malay Wikiquote

Dear Language Committee, previously the discussion for Malay Wikiquote was started. Can we get latest status for Malay Wikiquote? Thanks. Rulwarih (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

@Rulwarih: Hello, your project has been approved. Please follow the instructions I'll post soon. Thank you for your patience. --Sotiale (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! We're truly excited with this update. Rulwarih (talk) 11:30, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Active speakers versus active users

I've been thinking about the problem of the doomed w:en:WP:WikiProject at the English Wikipedia: new editors frequently have a favorite subject (e.g., a favorite singer, the city they live in). They start "groups of editors", except there are no other editors. The new editor has only enthusiasm; they need skill and experience. We find that a successful group always has multiple experienced Wikipedia editors. Having 10 experienced editors at the start is a good sign.

I've also been thinking about demographics. English is the native language for about 400,000,000 people. The English Wikipedia has maybe 100,000 editors a month – one in 4,000 native speakers. Maybe the English Wiktionary has 2,000 in a month – one in 200,000 native speakers. Maybe the English Wikivoyage has 600 editors in a month – one in 700,000 native speakers.

If it takes 700,000 native speakers to make one Wikivoyage editor, maybe we should not have any Wikivoyages in languages with less than 700,000 native speakers? Or even 7,000,000 native speakers? (In fact, I suggest a rather high bar for Wikivoyage, because information must be updated. The definition of a word does not change often; if you create a Wiktionary and quit, then that definition could be useful to someone in 20 or 30 years. But if you write a description of a restaurant's prices and hours at Wikivoyage and then quit, that information could be harmfully outdated in just 5 years.)

English is probably not the best language for calculating a baseline standard that describes what the statistically probable outcome of a language proposal is. But I think such a calculation could be done, and it might reduce the number of inactive languages.

To give an example, imagine a list of languages:

Sample chart for language size vs feasible projects

Language	Speakers	Wikipedia	Wiktionary	Wikisource	Wikivoyage
A	100,000,000	Recommended if you get 10 active editors for 1+ years	Recommended if you get 10 active editors for 1+ years	Recommended if you get 10 active editors for 1+ years	Inconclusive Suggest not opening unless there are 15 active editors for 2+ years
B	10,000,000	Recommended if you get 10 active editors for 1+ years	Recommended if you get 10 active editors for 1+ years	N Language too small to expect success	N Language too small to expect success
C	1,000,000	Recommended if you get 10 active editors for 1+ years	Inconclusive Suggest not opening unless there are 15 active editors for 2+ years	N Language too small to expect success	N Language too small to expect success

WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:12, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

There is a page about speakers per article numbers that clearly shows there is no correlation between speakers and page numbers. Some active communities such as Celtic languages or Sami languages have higher ratios, although they have lesser populations.

Similarly, there is data for speakers and active users in that page (you can click the column to sort). You can see that there is also no correlation between speakers and active users.

Wikipedias need active communities, not bigger speaker base. Joseph (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Well, if there's no correlation, then my idea won't work. I agree that communities need to be larger and more active. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Wikisources are immortal; anything properly transcribed will be a proper transcription forever. Dictionaries are long-lived; the Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal released A-Aanhaling in 1864 and Zuid-Zythum 1998. I would encourage either as a first project.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:12, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

A document that is properly transcribed will be a proper transcription forever.

But a project is a group of people, rather than a collection of pages. Otherwise, that properly transcribed document might get replaced with vandalism. I've heard that happened once for the MediaWiki translation interface, some years back. Instead of seeing "Article", "Discussion", "Read", "Edit", and "View history" at the top of the page, you'd have seen a string of profanities. A wiki with no regular contributors to watch it should not stay open. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

Solicitud de aprobación para Wikipedia en Náhuat de El Salvador (Wp/ppl)

Estimado Comité de Idiomas, Reciban un cordial saludo. Mi nombre es Héctor Josué Martínez Flores, fundador de Timumachtikan Nawat, un proyecto comunitario independiente dedicado a la enseñanza y revitalización del náhuat de El Salvador.

Desde 2023 coordinamos la Wikipedia en esta lengua (actualmente en incubadora bajo el código ppl), y hemos alcanzado logros significativos:

• Hemos superado los 700 artículos creados, elaborados con el apoyo de ancianos, maestros y estudiantes.

• Concluimos la traducción de los mensajes más importantes en Translatewiki.

• Realizamos editatones, talleres y actividades educativas, integrando Wikipedia en nuestro plan de estudios.

• El proyecto cuenta con una comunidad activa y organizada, que trabaja de manera constante y voluntaria, sin financiamiento externo.

El náhuat está en peligro crítico: menos de 1,135 hablantes existen en la actualidad, la mayoría ancianos. Por ello, el lanzamiento oficial de Wikipedia en náhuat no solo es un paso clave para la revitalización lingüística y cultural, sino también para dar visibilidad global a una lengua que sigue viva.

Reiteramos que el término pipil resulta ofensivo para nuestra comunidad, por lo que la aprobación oficial también ayudaría a reivindicar el nombre correcto de nuestra lengua.

Nuestro sueño es que Wikipedia en Náhuat sea reconocida como un espacio permanente dentro del ecosistema Wikimedia, demostrando que nuestra lengua no pertenece al pasado, sino que sigue viva y floreciente.

Atentamente, Héctor Josué Martínez Flores --TimumachtikanNawat (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2025 (UTC) TimumachtikanNawat (talk)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Noakhalian should better be rejected

Reasons can be found at its #Withdrawing my request section, the requestor decided to withdraw such a request, and there are many users oppose it with fairly enough reasons for why Noakhalian isn't eligible. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:55, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Approval Request for Magahi Wikipedia

Hello, the Magahi Wikipedia (Wp/mag) has been active for well over a year, and we would like to get it approved. The request for the approval has been made here. Thanks! - ऐक्टिवेटेड् (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

I will review the content this weekend and notify you. --Sotiale (talk) 13:12, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

@ऐक्टिवेटेड्: Discussions regarding approval have begun. Final approval is only possible after an expert verification process. Could you recommend an expert in your language by my email? They should be neutral individuals who have not edited your project and who are experts in your language from a university or public institution. Please note that review by non-neutral individuals may delay approval. If you have information about the person, including their name, affiliation, email address, and LinkedIn link or other their information(if they have), please email me with that information. Please do not post their information here. Thank you! --Sotiale (talk) 01:39, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for Kelantan-Patani Malay Wikipedia (Wp/mfa)

Greetings,

The Kelantan-Patani Malay Wikipedia project has been active for 10 months, here's the request. We kindly request your review of this project and hope that the Committee can approve it. Thank you. Mirlim (talk) 15:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

@Mirlim: Hello. Your project has seen consistent contributions for about 8 months. However, this month, activity has suddenly decreased, and if this were recorded, it might not leave a positive impression. There are still 3 days left, so I hope several editors will contribute sufficiently in the meantime. This is not a review for approval, but rather my thoughts after a quick look. --Sotiale (talk) 01:48, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Reminder for the Wali Wikipedia Approval

Hello @Sotiale, We request you once again to check the Wali Wikipedia for approval per your comments on our last request. We are really committed making the Wikipedia active forever as the Wali (Gur) Language in Ghana is our pride and priority. Our humble request once again. Thank you. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 14:28, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

There's more to review, so I'll respond by the 14th of this month. If I don't respond, please ping me. --Sotiale (talk) 14:10, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thank you Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 22:47, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

@Sotiale

Today is now 15th. This quick reminder. Hoping to hear good news. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 04:56, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

First of all, I think it pretty much fits my general criteria. Discussions for approval are scheduled to begin this weekend. Thank you for your patience. --Sotiale (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

If I do not send you a notification by 21 September that I have started a discussion, please leave a message on my talkpage. --Sotiale (talk) 13:11, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Will do that. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 16:38, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Sotiale we once again remind you about the discussion on the Wp/wlx wiki.

I posted on your talk page but yet to get response.

Thank you. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 04:19, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

@Zakaria Tunsung: Discussions regarding approval have begun. Final approval is only possible after an expert verification process. Could you recommend an expert in your language by my email? They should be neutral individuals who have not edited your project and who are experts in your language from a university or public institution. Please note that review by non-neutral individuals may delay approval. If you have information about the person, including their name, affiliation, email address, and LinkedIn link or other their information(if they have), please email me with that information. Please do not post their information here. --Sotiale (talk) 01:24, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Wow nice to hear this. I will do that. Zakaria Tunsung (talk) 05:39, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for the Antiguan and Barbudan Wikipedia (Wp/aig)

Dear Language Committee,

The Antiguan and Barbudan Wikipedia (Wp/aig) has been active for about four and a half months now. We have been updating our interface in translatewiki and we have a solid editor base along with frequent content improvements. Now that we are within reach of completing Wikipedia's necessary articles, we were wondering if there are any improvements we can make to make our project fully ready for approval. We have filled out all fields on our application in MetaWiki and we consider ourselves ready to proceed. CROIX (talk) 19:00, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

I will review the content this weekend and notify you. --Sotiale (talk) 13:12, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

@CROIX: Very positive. If you demonstrate sufficient activity by next month, approval will begin. While this should be done concurrently with the approval process, I'd like to initiate the expert verification process separately, as it's a positive sign of approval. Could you recommend an expert in your language by my email? They should be neutral individuals who have not edited your project and who are experts in your language from a university or public institution. Please note that review by non-neutral individuals may delay approval. If you have information about the person, including their name, affiliation, email address, and LinkedIn link or other their information(if they have), please email me with that information. Please do not post their information here. Thanks! --Sotiale (talk) 01:44, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I will email you shortly. CROIX (talk) 14:25, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Request for New Wikipedia in Dhatki (mki)

We, the contributors of the Dhatki language, would like to request the creation of a full Wikipedia in our language. Language name: Dhatki (also known as Dhatti, Thari) ISO 639-3 code: mki Incubator project: Wp/mki Script(s) used: Arabic (Sindhi script) and Devanagari script (as used by different Dhatki-speaking communities). Current status: Articles are being regularly created and expanded in the Incubator. A group of native speakers is actively contributing and maintaining the project. Translation of the MediaWiki interface into Dhatki has started on translatewiki.net. Reasons for request: Dhatki is spoken by over 3 million people, primarily in Sindh (Pakistan) and Rajasthan (India). The language has a rich oral and cultural tradition but limited digital resources. A dedicated Wikipedia will help preserve, document, and promote the language, especially for younger generations. Contributors are committed to maintaining regular activity and content development. We respectfully request the Language Committee to review this application and approve the creation of Dhatki Wikipedia (mki.wikipedia.org). On behalf of the Dhatki Wikipedia community. Masumsahil (talk) 09:15, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for the message and for your work so far.

Some things in your message, however, are inaccurate, or require an external source.

• Writing: Ethnologue gives only the Arabic alphabet as the script in which the language is written. Are there any sources that indicate that the language is written in Devanagari?
• Incubator: There are three pages in the Incubator, and all of them were created by yourself. This is good, but this is not a group of speakers, but only one person. In addition, the Incubator doesn't have a main page; it must be created at incubator:Wp/mki. See the page incubator:Help:Manual for instructions. If you get stuck and need technical support, please ask for it on the page incubator:Incubator:Community Portal.
• Translation of the MediaWiki interface: Translation of the MediaWiki interface into Dhatki has not, in fact, started on translatewiki.net. The language is not configured on translatewiki, and it was never requested. If you would like to translate into it, please create an account and request it at translatewiki:Support.
• "Dhatki is spoken by over 3 million people": According to Ethnologue, it is spoken by 1.8 million people. It doens't matter very much for approving the Wikipedia, but it is important to use accurate information. (If you think that Ethnologue is wrong and the actual number is over 3 million people, and you have reliable sources for this, you can write in Wikipedia.)

In this state, the Language committee cannot approve this, but it can be reconsidered if you follow the process properly. To make the request correctly, please follow the instructions on the page Language committee/Handbook (requesters). For more tips, see the page Help:How to start a new Wikipedia. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:47, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for the approval of the Dolgan Wikipedia (Wp/dlg)

Дорооболорун! (Hello!) A Dolgan Wikipedia (Wp/dlg) has been active for three months with an active editor base and frequent content improvements and we are continue translating in translatewiki. Our community would like to hear criticism or some kind of assessment of the work done to continue working on the test.

Thanks -- Sauit (talk) 03:52, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Because this language has a relatively small number of native speakers, I don't think it's unusual for current activities to apply different criteria than those for other languages ​​with larger numbers of speakers. But I think I need to discuss this, so I'd like to start a discussion. --Sotiale (talk) 14:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi, is there any good news for Dolgan Wikipedia @Sotiale? Sauit (talk) 10:03, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

And also, can we add a namespace for Wikinews at Wikipedia? Something like: Һонун: (news), Һонун ырытыыта: (news talk)? Sauit (talk) 10:28, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

You can discuss this within the community and decide to do so. --MF-W 12:13, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Please be patient a little longer. I've sent our members another reminder. --Sotiale (talk) 12:45, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Any update? Sauit (talk) 07:22, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

@Sauit: Final approval is only possible after an expert verification process. Could you recommend an expert in your language by my email? (Use this function) They should be neutral individuals who have not edited your project and who are experts in your language from a university or public institution. Please note that review by non-neutral individuals may delay approval. If you have information about the person, including their name, affiliation, email address, and LinkedIn link or other their information(if they have), please email me with that information. Please do not post their information here. --Sotiale (talk) 07:06, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

On the Wt/sas test project

Hi LangCom! Our test project for Sasak Wiktionary have been active for about 3+ months (catanalysis). This is still a new project for this language (sas) and already has been verified as eligible. Is it possible to progress with approval process for this project? We would also like to request for any tips or suggestion on this project as this will be our first project if it is approved. Thank you! —NikolasKHF (talk) 03:29, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Renewed Request for Approval: Wikipedia in Náhuat (Wp/ppl)

Dear Language Committee,

Warm greetings. My name is Héctor Josué Martínez Flores, founder of Timumachtikan Nawat, an independent community project dedicated to the teaching and revitalization of the Náhuat language of El Salvador.

I am writing once again to kindly and firmly request the approval of Wikipedia in Náhuat (Wp/ppl). This is our third formal request, and we sincerely hope it can be considered soon, given the steady and verifiable progress we have made.

Here is a summary of our current achievements:

• We have surpassed 700 articles, all created collaboratively by teachers, students, and elders in our community.

• We have completed the translation of the most important messages on Translatewiki.

• We have held several editathons and workshops, all organized independently — without any institutional or financial support.

• Our community is active and consistent, currently producing at least 15 new articles per month.

The Náhuat language is in **critical danger**, with fewer than **1,135 speakers remaining**, most of them elderly. The official launch of Wikipedia in Náhuat would be a historic step for language revitalization — giving global visibility to a language that still lives, resists, and flourishes thanks to its speakers and learners.

We also wish to emphasize that the term “Pipil” is considered offensive** by our community, so the official approval of “Wikipedia in Náhuat” would help affirm and dignify the correct name of our language.

We have worked for years with dedication, learning everything about Wikimedia independently. Our community has proven to be committed, constant, and deeply motivated. For us, seeing Wikipedia in Náhuat officially launched would be a dream come true — a true victory for cultural survival and linguistic justice.

Thank you very much for your attention and for the invaluable work you do.

Sincerely, Héctor Josué Martínez Flores Founder, *Timumachtikan Nawat* --TimumachtikanNawat (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2025 (UTC)--TimumachtikanNawat (talk) 18:42, 6 October 2025 (UTC) --TimumachtikanNawat (talk) 18:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Nigerian Pidgin Wikiquote

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T408318

Hi. The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikiquote Nigerian Pidgin. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --Sotiale (talk) 04:49, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for the Jju Wikipedia (Wp/kaj)

Greetings, Language Committee, I am here to ask for the approval of the Jju Wikipedia, which has been active in the Incubator since September 2024, with active editors since its start until the present date. The community is enthusiastic on having their project approved and would continue to edit even after this project gets approved. Thanks in anticipation! Kambai Akau (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello. I started the approval process for your project in March of this year, but the expert verification process has been delayed due to non-response from experts. I would appreciate it if your community could once again recommend experts via email, as before. If you remember how to do so, please follow that method. And, I also have some suggestions for improvement from langcom, including one about your use of wikilinks. This is a very simple issue, so I believe it will be easily resolved. I'll provide more information on this later, but I'd like to prioritize recommending experts. If you remember the previous method, please follow it. If you don't, please let me know. --Sotiale (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Greetings @Sotiale. Thanks for the recommendation. Please refresh me on the method you earlier suggested. Kambai Akau (talk) 23:10, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

@Kambai Akau: Oh, I'm sorry. It's not a special method. Could you recommend an expert in your language by my email? (Use this function) They should be neutral individuals who have not edited your project and who are experts in your language from a university or public institution. Please note that review by non-neutral individuals may delay approval. If you have information about the person, including their name, affiliation, email address, and LinkedIn link or other their information(if they have), please email me with that information. Please do not post their information here. --Sotiale (talk) 07:07, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Sotiale. I will make that information available through the necessary channel. Thanks and warm regards, Kambai Akau (talk) 15:01, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Demande d'examen d'approbation pour wikipédia en tshiluba/luba-kasaï

Bonjour à tous les membres du Language Committee,

Je m’adresse à vous au nom de la communauté du projet Incubator Wikipedia Luba‑Kasaï, afin de solliciter l’approbation officielle de notre Wikipédia en Tshiluba pour qu’il devienne un wiki autonome (avec sous‑domaine) sous lua.wikipedia.org.

Nous pensons que tous les critères requis selon la Language proposal policy / politique de propositions de langue sont désormais remplis. Voir la page Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Luba‑Kasaï.

Nous sommes aussi prêts à proposer ou mettre en contact un expert linguistique (professeur, locuteur natif) pour vérifier la qualité du contenu existant si nécessaire.

Nous restons à votre disposition pour toute demande de complément d’information ou clarification.

En vous remerciant par avance de votre temps et de votre soutien à la diversité linguistique sur Wikimedia.

Bien cordialement, Chrisdanielkazadi (talk) 14:24, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello to all members of the Language Committee,

I am writing to you on behalf of the Incubator Wikipedia Luba-Kasaï project community to request the official approval of our Tshiluba Wikipedia so that it may become an autonomous wiki (with its own subdomain) under lua.wikipedia.org.

We believe that all the required criteria according to the Language Proposal Policy have now been met. Please see the page Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Luba‑Kasaï.

We are also ready to propose or put you in contact with a linguistic expert (professor, native speaker) to verify the quality of the existing content if necessary.

We remain at your disposal for any additional information or clarification you may need.

Thank you in advance for your time and for your support of linguistic diversity on Wikimedia.

Kind regards, CapitainAfrika (talk)

On be-tarask test projects

Dear Langcom, as an administrator at Incubator, I come here to make some requests about the be-tarask test-wikis.

In this case, even though there is no request for these projects, I ask you if the test-projects with this code should be allowed inside the Incubator. Some of its test project pages contain a notice saying that "Use of this code has been previously approved by the Language Committee, and a Wikipedia exists under the code.", but I couldn't find such approval in the mailing list archives.

I had previously rejected deletion requests for these projects because of the notice, but now having found no substantial proof for it, I'm unable to determine if they should or should not be kept.

Pinging some relevant persons: @Amire80, @Sotiale — Garcez (talk) 00:01, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

@Iohanen My suggestion is to ask contributors of be.wikibooks & be.wikiquote to consider whether they allow to import contents of incubator:Wb/be-tarask & incubator:Wq/be-tarask, and then to consider whether to merge incubator:Wn/be-tarask to incubator:Wn/be + incubator:Wy/be-tarask to incubator:Wy/be, so that there will no longer have prefix issues. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:11, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

Informing be.wikibooks non-abusefilter administrator @Taravyvan Adijene:?! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:13, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

In be-tarask Wikiquotes incubator, recently there are only 3 pages exist, none of which belong to the main namespace. Please mind that there are Belarusan Wikiquotes exist, so merging should be done to that project only.

As for Wikibooks, there are some more pages, but still not in the main namespace. I believe their contributor @Ясамойла: should be invited to this discussion as well. Taravyvan Adijene (talk) 17:55, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

The exception on Incubator (allowing the be-tarask prefix even though it is not ISO 639-1 or -3) is very old and is there because Wikipedia exists under this code. --MF-W 14:30, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg Yes, but should new projects in be-tarask be allowed to exist? — Garcez (talk) 23:20, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

I suggest write the following name prefix tarask.be.wikiquotes.org tarask.be.wikibooks.org tarsak.be.wikivoyage.org etc. Ясамойла (talk) 13:24, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

@Ясамойла The problem is, that why they can't be merged into be.wikiquote and be.wikibooks, and else? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:42, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Minangkabau Wikisource

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T408317

Hi. The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikisource Minangkabau. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --Sotiale (talk) 07:03, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

@Zhilal Darma: What is namespace 'Rundiang Portal' for? Index: ? --Sotiale (talk) 13:09, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Sotiale, 'Rundiang Portal' is the same as Village pump. Zhilal Darma (talk) 04:16, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 20:47, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Approval request for the Urdu Wikisource

Greetings Language Committee, The Urdu Wikisource project has been active for the past seven months. We kindly request a review of the project for final approval. -- KuldeepBurjBhalaike ^(Talk) 12:57, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

It's very positive, and I think I can begin the approval process after reviewing a few of the things. However, I can't review this right now, so I'll get back to you later. Thank you for your efforts. --Sotiale (talk) 12:32, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

My absence

I'm hesitant to write about my absence here, but I'm afraid it'll lead to questions about why the approval review is delayed, so I'm writing this in advance. I'll be traveling soon, which will limit my internet access. However, I am currently conducting the expert verifications and approval processes via email, which I have already initiated, and this will continue during my business trip. The trip is expected to last approximately 10 days, and I will review and respond to all requests after I return, unless they have already been processed by my other colleagues. --Sotiale (talk) 12:29, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Mon Pali

I have conceived the idea of establishing a Wiki Project for the Mon Pali language due to its current critically endangered status. The primary reason for this is the extreme scarcity of individuals proficient in Mon Pali, which is leading the language toward potential extinction. Mon Pali is a traditional language of the Mon people, essentially a variant form of the Pali language. As it is a lesser-known language, it has not yet been assigned a language code. Currently, proficiency in Mon Pali is limited to only a few scholars within the Mon community. Tragically, many highly proficient Mon Pali scholars have passed away, leaving only a few disciples, including myself, to carry on their knowledge. For the reasons stated above, I am requesting guidance and recommendations from the relevant Wikimedia authorities on how we may proceed to preserve the Mon Pali language.𝓓𝓻.𝓘𝓷𝓽𝓸𝓫𝓮𝓼𝓪|𝒯𝒶𝓁𝓀 23:35, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Languages without language codes are not approved for Wikimedia projects. You can try contacting ISO to obtain a code. Some people from the Wikimedia world succeeded at doing this, for example ltg, hyw, and rsk.

Is this a language that people use to say or write new things or it a literary language with a specific corpus?

Do you want to write new encyclopedic content it, write a dictionary, transcribe already-published texts, or something else? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 01:10, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Mon Pali is an extremely ancient traditional language of Mon literature. This language is primarily used in the context of Buddhism. Mon Pali has been in use for over a thousand years, continuing up to the present day. Currently, Mon monks use the Mon Pali language for various purposes, including taking exams, preaching sermons, offering prayers, and creating amulets. However, the majority of them do not understand the meaning; most only read what is written in the books. Only a small number of people truly understand the meanings of those Mon Pali words. Those who are proficient in and understand Mon Pali are recognized and certified as Mon Scholars by the Mon community. When Mon people challenge each other intellectually, they also compete using their proficiency in this Mon Pali language. Today, after the Mon lost the war, the Mon Pali language is now on the verge of extinction due to the influence of other ethnic groups' languages. The reason for this is that although there are Mon monks who teach Mon Pali, the majority of the teachers themselves do not understand the meaning and are merely reading from books and teaching. Those who genuinely understand the meaning of Mon Pali are extremely rare. Mon Pali is used in both Buddhist scriptures and in sorcery/occult practices. Due to the Burmese government's 1966 order prohibiting the teaching of Mon script and the subsequent arrests and legal actions, the number of people who are proficient in and understand the Mon language and Mon Pali language has become very rare today. As for myself, I am proficient in Mon Pali, Old Mon, and Modern Mon, and I am capable of translation. I am currently struggling alone, using various methods to prevent this language from disappearing. My main objective is to use both the simple (Modern) and the traditional (Pali) languages simultaneously, similar to the Chinese Wiki project, to ensure that both are preserved at the same time. The majority of people use Mon Pali, but they do not understand its meaning. Only a small number of people are proficient in Mon Pali and can translate it. I currently do not have the necessary contacts to request an ISO code for Mon Pali. Extensive documentation regarding Mon Pali can be found in Thailand and Myanmar, thanks. 𝓓𝓻.𝓘𝓷𝓽𝓸𝓫𝓮𝓼𝓪|𝒯𝒶𝓁𝓀 12:18, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

If it's a variant of the Pali language, can it be under the pi language, the same as Pali? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Project closures in limbo

What is the status of Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Greenlandic Wikipedia and Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Cree Wikipedia? They were closed as accepted but it doesn't look like any steps have been taken to carry out the closure. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 02:43, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Solicitud de aprobación para Wikipedia en Náhuat de El Salvador (Wp/ppl)

Estimado Comité de Idiomas, Reciban un cordial saludo.

Mi nombre es Héctor Josué Martínez Flores, fundador de Timumachtikan Nawat, un proyecto comunitario e independiente dedicado a la enseñanza, revitalización y preservación del náhuat de El Salvador. Desde 2023 coordino la Wikipedia en esta lengua, actualmente en la incubadora bajo el código “pipil”.

El náhuat está en peligro crítico: según el Censo 2024, existen menos de 1,135 hablantes, de los cuales unos 150 son hablantes originales, ancianos de edad avanzada. El resto han aprendido gracias a proyectos de revitalización como el nuestro. Es importante aclarar que náhuat ≠ náhuatl, y que el término “pipil” es considerado peyorativo por nuestra comunidad, ya que fue impuesto durante la colonia con un significado despectivo y burlesco por nuestra forma de hablar.

El proyecto Wikipedia en Náhuat fue iniciado en 2010 por el lingüista británico Alan Roy King y quedó inactivo tras su fallecimiento.

Desde que nosotros lo retomamos lo retomamos en el 2023, hemos:

• Creado más de 600 artículos con la ayuda de los ancianos de la comunidad, los maestros y nuestros estudiantes.

• Incorporado un módulo de Wikipedia en nuestro plan de estudios en nuestra escuela.

• Realizado editatones y contribuciones a Translatewiki y Wikimedia Commons.

Todo nuestro trabajo es voluntario, sin apoyo financiero externo. Hemos contado con el acompañamiento de Tyap Wikimedians (África), que nos han orientado en el proceso, ya que ni Wikimedia El Salvador nos ha querido acompañar o asesorar.

Solicitamos la aprobación de Wikipedia en Náhuat, ya que:

1. El proyecto tiene actividad constante y contenido sustancial.

2. Existe una comunidad activa y organizada que mantiene y expande la Wikipedia.

3. El lanzamiento oficial es clave para la revitalización lingüística y la visibilidad de la lengua a nivel global.

4. La permanencia del nombre “pipil” en la incubadora genera tensión cultural, y la aprobación permitiría fortalecer la reivindicación del nombre correcto.

Enlaces de referencia:

• Wikipedia en Náhuat (Incubadora): https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ppl/Achtu_Iswat

• Nota en La Prensa Gráfica: https://www.laprensagrafica.com/cultura/Editaton-acerca-el-sueno-de-Wikipedia-en-Nahuat-20250314-0061.html

• Nota en El Salvador.com: https://www.elsalvador.com/entretenimiento/cultura/cultura-pueblos-indigenas-wikipedia-nahuat/1201363/2025/

• Nota en Revista Culturel: https://revistaculturel.com/articulos/primera-editaton-en-nahuat-de-el-salvador/#:~:text=Fecha%3A%20S%C3%A1bado%201%20de%20marzo,30%20AM%20%E2%80%93%2012%3A00%20MD

• Nota de Conexión: https://conexion.sv/digitalizando-de-nuestra-lengua-en-la-primera-editaton-en-nahuat-de-el-salvador/

Nuestro sueño es demostrar que el náhuat está vivo y floreciendo, y que merece un espacio digno y permanente en el ecosistema Wikimedia.

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by TimumachtikanNawat (talk)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 20:54, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Approval Request for Hausa Wikiquote

I'm still writing for the approval of Hausa Wikiquote. We have thousands of articles (2500 or more) and many editors editing it. Kindly start approval process.[3]

Best regards Uncle Bash007 (talk) 02:48, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

@Uncle Bash007: Hi! The activity for the Hausa Wikiquote indeed looks very good. However, I would like to bring your attention to the second criterion for final approval in the Language proposal policy: "There is a continuing effort to translate the MediaWiki interface into that language so that nobody is excluded from participating if they do not understand the English-language user interface."

The localization for Hausa for MediaWiki core is currently sitting at only 15 %, and there is very little Hausa activity in translatewiki.net. The most used messages are also not fully translated, sitting at 80 % – having all of them translated is a prerequisite for approval of the first Wikimedia project in a language, so completing those would be a bare minimum for approving the Hausa Wikiquote.

So I would advise you and your fellow contributors to spend some time in translatewiki.net to improve the localization, and when that is done or under way, we can think about approving the project. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 22:08, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Jon Harald Søby, thank you for the feedback. We’ll surely look into it and get back to you.

Thank you, Uncle Bash007 (talk) 11:41, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: MF-W 20:55, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Change of policy regarding ancient languages

Hello! I am not sure if this topic can be dealt here, but I am wondering if it possible to change the policy Meta currently has regarding ancient languages. I think it is too strict and goes against what Wikipedia stood for in the past, which allowed the creation of amazing Wikipedias in Latin, Old English, Sanskrit, Gothic, and Church Slavonic. The current policy affects specifically Ancient Greek, whose request was recently denied for the fourth time. I believe that if the languages mentioned above have their own wiki edition, why Ancient Greek can't if it is probably the most studied classical language after Latin. I don't know if it is possible to change that, so I officially propose the change or ammend. --Humberto del Torrejón (talk) 08:54, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

What is amazing about those Wikipedias? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

First of all, fairness. If Latin, Old English, and even Gothic have their own Wikipedia editions, why Ancient Greek can't, despite its undeniable importance?

Second, there are people who speak those languages.

And finally, the main purpose of Wikimedia is to be a reservoir of knowledge, the most accessible to every person in the world, which means that having editions in as many languages as possible is the best way to achieve that mission. Per Meta-Wiki, "Wikipedia is a project dedicated to the building of free encyclopedias in all languages of the world". Banning ancient languages having their own Wikipedia contradicts that statement. I'd be happy to do my best to change the current language policy, or even make some exceptions for non-living languages that are valuable enough (personally I believe all languages are valuable) to have their own Wikipedia editions. Humberto del Torrejón (talk) 01:01, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

The point here is not that Latin Wikipedia can be created, and Ancient Greek can not. Simply Latin Wikipedia was created before the rules for creating projects changed. If there were no Latin Wikipedia now and it was proposed to create, then it would not be created either. 85.249.174.129 02:14, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

Rules can be changed. The request for Ancient Greek to become a Wikipedia was done before the rule was created, and for some reason that I still don't understand, it was rejected. I don't agree with the current role, so I propose a change. Humberto del Torrejón (talk) 04:40, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

@Humberto del Torrejón Do you have evidences where users can speak Ancient Greek? Just putting babel templates on their user pages would however be not enough. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:09, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

@Humberto del Torrejón Keke. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

What Keke?! ~2025-67605-8 (talk) 12:26, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Well, just bumping to prevent early-bird archiving. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 16:19, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Again, what is amazing about those Wikipedias? No, having editions in as many languages as possible is not the best way to achieve the mission of being accessible to every person in the world. Everyone who reads Ancient Greek also reads another language well supported at Wikipedia. Our concern should be on the languages of India and Africa, and I don't see any way to do much without improving the internet situation there.

Latin is a passable Wikipedia, but the others you mention aren't. Part of my objection to the Ancient Greek Wikipedia is that observers who know Greek have been dismissive of its quality; a Wikipedia that's written in a poor quality version of its language may actually hinder learning and understanding. Also, the gap between Latin and Ancient Greek is huge. The en.WP article on Ancient Greek mentions "Alfred Rahlfs included a preface, a short history of the Septuagint text, and other front matter translated into ancient Greek in his 1935 edition of the Septuagint", which is interesting as such front matter for Ancient Greek works was done in Latin at the time. Dissertations would still sometimes be written in Latin through the 1950s, and every so often papers are written in Latin today, like Definitio nova algebroidis verticiani (2006). Gothic and Old English Wikipedias were a bad idea and always have been.

Finally, prove it. There's various free Wiki sites out there, if the Incubator is not to your taste. Part of the reason there is a Toki Pona Wikipedia being created is because when they were rejected, Toki Pona users went out and eventually created wikipesija.org. If you build it under a compatible license, it can be imported back in. But it seems like everyone wants a Wikipedia for their language, but the number of people who (a) know the language and (b) are willing to write in it for Wikipedia is a lot lower. It's hard to argue with success.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:00, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

@Prosfilaes It looks like another (at least I very familiar with) pro-Ancient Greek user provided something against the current policy which I can't easily make doubts: this reply of deletion request regarding Wp/grc. Under their suggestion, the policy should not be "retroactively applied"?! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:04, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Are you saying that if the Ancient Greek Incubator is improved, then it could be approved despite this outdated language policy that would prohibit it? Because if that's the case, then I will start editing as much as I can, and in a year it will look acceptable. There are other ancient Greek speakers who are also interested in improving it. Because this discrimination against Greece cannot continue! Humberto del Torrejón (talk) 20:21, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

@Humberto del Torrejón There were too many suggests in the past several decades to propose amendments to the LPP, with finger-countable rare proposals got successful on minor and trival wording changes (the last successful change, if you're really interested in it, is changing "artifical languages" to "constructed languages" to represent Esperanto, Ido, Toki Pona...), none of those shook up the current position to ban extinct and historical languages, really, it seems that this has retroactively applied per that 5th rejection, and indeed, even I also agree that such a situation is unfair for the whole Wikimedia movement and hence I filed a U4C case, but then? I even failed to re-start such a motion to re-consider this situation. So still, I'd also love to ask you, and/or other supporters of Ancient Greek e.g. @Anaxicrates, that what makes your community amazing? Because at least from my part, I don't feel any "amazing" stuffs on those topics. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

The Classical Greek language itself is amazing. What I find amazing about the Ancient Greek Wikipedia is the possibility to teach about the classical world in the Classical Greek language itself, and also to provide a Classical Greek perspective from the linguistic point of view, by applying the Classical Greek language to a modern encyclopedia. Of course, this aim is far from being fully accomplished yet, but we are progressing towards it little by little.

I would like to point out the fact that we are emending one of the main flaws of the project, i.e. poor quality standards, by revising every single article that there is. Since we introduced the "revised article" template a couple of months ago, we have revised more than one hundred pages, and we are also expanding topics on Ancient Greece.

Regarding your doubts about our ability to master the Classical Greek language, I and other users are willing to provide you scholarly certificates, if that can reassure you. Anaxicrates (talk) 15:11, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

@Anaxicrates What I'm doubting isn't how to "master the Classical Greek language", but rather 1. Are we discussing same language? If all of your discussed concepts are generated for "Classical Greek", then it probably is a new language that SIL didn't register a code for it and hence contributing Wp/grc is already enough making a lie, as iso639-3:grc said "Ancient Greek (to 1453)", or 2. Who are able to speak the Ancient Greek? This is the most reason for e.g. Prosfilaes above to oppose such bumping of policy amendment discussions, as such policy changes have to reflect the benefits of some certain speakers in the real world, instead of random putters of Babel templates which may be misused to just represent political stuffs. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Goodness gracious... I had already explained this, but I can repeat myself. Classical Greek is the standard variety of Ancient Greek that gets normally studied. As if one says e.g. "English", one usually means Standard British/American English, which is the variety that one normally learns, even if there are actually many different dialects that one could study (like e.g. the Scottish dialect, or even the Manchester dialect). So, "Ancient Greek" and "Classical Greek" are usually synonyms, and no, even if SIL only had one code for English, without distinction between the London and the Manchester dialects, that would not mean that one could not write an article in Standard British English, or that he would be lying if he presented that article as written in English, or that Standard British English would be a "new language" that SIL didn't register a code for.

A million people around the world (but mostly concentrated in Greece and Italy) are now studying Classical Greek at school/university, which is very often called simply Ancient Greek (like Standard British English is often simply called English), so I really don't understand your talk about "Babel templates which may be misused to just represent political stuffs". What political stuffs are you actually referring to? I don't understand. Anaxicrates (talk) 15:53, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Additionally, it would have benefits to point out, that the "ancient languages" concept seems confusing, which is the reason why SIL no longer lists any languages under "Ancient". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:07, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

SIL classifies Ancient Greek as a "living, historical language", which essentially corresponds to the concept of "classical language" (in a broad sense), so that's the category we should be referring to. Anaxicrates (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

So @Prosfilaes, as Anaxicrates said here, Ancient Greek is probably indeed a living language, but unfairly categorised as "historical" by SIL, should we support this user on submitting a code change request, to change its Type to Living? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:05, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

According to what SIL wrote to me, Ancient Greek, as well as other classical languages, is considered by them as both "historical" and "living". This is not in contradiction, because "historical language does not imply extinct".

In my opinion, a more sensible proposal would be to implement a new category ("classical") for the languages that they now consider "historical" and "living" at the same time. Anaxicrates (talk) 22:59, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

@Anaxicrates What I'm asking is for Prosfilaes, not you, so I don't know why were you rushing to answer here. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:56, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

I only replied because you discussed about "supporting this user [i.e. me] on submitting a code change request, to change its Type to Living", which is something I did not propose in the first place. I then proposed to ask for a change of Type to "Classical", which fits best with SIL's characterization of Ancient Greek as both an "historical" and "living" language. That being said, let's hope that also @Prosfilaes replies. Anaxicrates (talk) 23:28, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

You could try, you know, writing an encyclopedia, or you could try gaming the rules until you get what you want. As I said, the Toki Pona people, when denied a Wikipedia, went away and built an encyclopedia elsewhere. Had they not got permission to have a Wikipedia, they would still be working on an encyclopedia. That indicates they didn't just want the glory of Toki Pona Wikipedia, they actually wanted an Toki Pona encyclopedia. We've argued over whether Ancient Greek fits the qualifications, and the conclusion has been no. SIL's classification of Ancient Greek is no longer really relevant; it doesn't tell us anything that hasn't already been debated over.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Dear Prosfilaes, thank you very much for your answer!

We don't want the "glory" of an Ancient Greek Wikipedia (why must we face these prejudices?), we want an Ancient Greek encyclopedia, and indeed we are trying to write it, because we think it is useful.

We regret the fact that the LangCom cannot understand that Classical Greek is not an ordinary historical language, and closes the door to the project in principle. Your own arguments stood out in the discussion for their factual basis - focusing on quality control and contributor base rather than ideological preconceptions. We interpreted your position as one of conditional support, dependent on meeting practical benchmarks.

On the other hand, the ideological ban against Ancient Greek is a primary obstacle to the development of the encyclopedia itself, as it prevents the project from even having a perspective. If you say that the SIL classification is not key to lifting this ideological ban, I accept your advice; but then, what is? How can we transition the discussion from an a priori rejection to a practical evaluation? Thank you! Yours, Anaxicrates (talk) 10:04, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

It's not a primary obstacle. If you want an encyclopedia, there's several free Wiki sites, or MediaWiki can be hosted on a personal server or cloud service.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:43, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

While not false, that solution would probably make the encyclopedia less visible, and certainly preclude the possibility of comparing an article in a different language with the Ancient Greek one through interlinks. Anaxicrates (talk) 16:31, 5 November 2025 (UTC)