Talk:Library Card platform/Search

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Search feedback[edit]

The centralized search tool is now available for all users! Please let us know how you're finding the tool, whether there are any results you haven't been able to access, and any other bugs or issues you're encountering. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 15:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[]

At launch there are three primary issues we haven't been able to address but are currently working on:

  • Some De Gruyter results aren't accessible via search (T292550)
  • Enable users to remove the Library Bundle limit from search results (T292549)
  • Enable users to duplicate search to ProQuest (T292547)

Is the search tool helpful for your research?[edit]

Will this change how you use the library? Please share any thoughts you have about how this might change your usage of the library.

Did you find what you were searching for?[edit]

Please share any issues you've encountered here, such as proxy errors or items which you think we should have access to but don't.

  • Nomos does not seem to be indexed, either, I'm afraid… I searched for the term vorfragenkompetenz and got a list of 8 articles. One was from BASE: There is an abstract of the thesis I was looking for in Nomos hosted at Heidelberg University, but you won't find the dissertation itself in EDS which, of course, is available in Nomos. Regards, Aschmidt (talk) 19:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • An interesting observation: Rock's Backpages (which I have application access to) is not flagged as being searchable via the search bar, yet a search from the search bar returned several Rock's Backpages records, all of which I could display in full using the "View record at Rocks Backpages" link. —Bruce1eetalk 11:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • I've just noticed that Project MUSE, which I also have application access to and is not flagged as being searchable via the search bar, also popped up in the search results. —Bruce1eetalk 11:47, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
      • Thanks, looking into this. We originally had holdings configured for the full set rather than just Bundle, so we might have missed some. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:47, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
        • @Samwalton9 (WMF): Is there a reason why you want to restrict the holdings to the Library Bundle? Why not the full set? It works nicely, at least for Rock's Backpages and Project MUSE. —Bruce1eetalk 14:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
          • @Bruce1ee: The idea was the following: We have three options - only allow searching Bundle (all results are accessible to all users), only allow searching the entire collection (some results are accessible, some aren't), or have one of these options be the default and the other an option. We went for option 3, with the default being that all results should be accessible - we figured this would make most sense for new users. Unfortunately we need EBSCO to update some configurations on their end to enable the option to browse two different collections with an option to switch between them, and they've been quite slow in doing this so far. For now, then, we figured we'd start with the Bundle-only option and enable the option to remove this limit in the future when we're able to. In an ideal world the search tool would search all collections that you individually are authorized for but that wasn't technically feasible. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 14:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
            • Got it, thanks. —Bruce1eetalk 14:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • Quick update: It looks like this might be a back-end EBSCO problem, we updated our Holdings correctly but I can reproduce some of the unselected databases still showing up in search results. I've filed a ticket. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 10:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Any other feedback[edit]

  • I love that you added this tool! Every University library seems to have a centralized search function like this, so it's nice that Wikimedia does now, too! Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Wow! One of the problems with the depth of WL is just that – the depth. I know that I've sometimes run out of time/energy before coming to the best (or sometimes only) resource for the material I'm trying to find. Nice job! Face-smile.svg —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • I like the Filter options on the left-hand-side, but what I feel is missing is "Filter by Publication Title". ProQuest, GALE, EBSCO and others all have it, and I find it very useful to reduce the number of search results. —Bruce1eetalk 11:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
    • @Bruce1ee: From what I can see we can't turn this on as a filter unfortunately. You can, however, click Advanced Search and enter a Journal Name, but it's free text rather than a list of options. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:41, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • 👏 👏 👏 Good improvement. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Amazing! Really good feature, and with it TWL continues to be one of the most underrated parts of Wikimedia. (On that note, I'm happy to see the planned on-wiki notification for eligible users.) — Bilorv (talk) 18:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Deprecated Sources[edit]

Filtering out deprecated sources would be helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bogger (talk) 17:39, 7 October 2021

@Bogger: Are there particular deprecated sources you've noticed in search results? Thanks, Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Samwalton9 (WMF): Daily Mail (London, England) for one. (via a aggregator such as Gale, or InfoTrac). But I guess deprecated sources are language specific. - Bogger (talk) 15:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yeah unfortunately it would be very difficult for us to maintain a list that specific, in addition to the project-specific issues. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Initial impressions[edit]

  • Was happy that it seems to search for bound phrases as a default. That is, I typed in George Clinton with no quotes and it default found stuff for HIM and not other, more popular, Clintons. This is good.
  • I like how the limits on the lefthand side when you adjust them, redo the search.
  • Very much dislike the embedded PDF viewer which also doesn't work with my version of Firefox so required an extra step to access the PDF of an article.
  • I got in a weird loop when I did a search for Jessamyn and the results looked good. I clicked on a link to "Full Text Finder" not sure what that was and got a Firefox error reproduced to the right. I'm aware this may be kind of normal but it also may be fixable.
Wikipedia Library search screen shot
  • After that step (above) I went into the Full Text Finder which gave me the option to do my search in three of their databases (text for my results is below) but when I clicked on the top two options I got no results and when I clicked on the last item I just got a general search for all of the results containing that publication (i.e. not the article I wanted). It's possible I don't understand what "Full Text Finder" does, but basically my result set was supposed to be searching ONLY for items available in full-text and yet it definitely returned a result that was not available in full text. This is a reproducible result, I can search for other things and the same thing happens, so maybe
   Resources Located for this Citation

    documents Find this article in full text from Gale General OneFile
    documents Find this article in full text from Gale In Context: Biography
    documents Find this article in full text from ProQuest Central

Those are early impressions. This is clearly a really powerful too, thank you. Jessamyn (talk) 19:19, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Jessamyn: Thanks for the feedback! What version of Firefox are you using? Also, I notice your screenshot mentions Meta, I'm not sure why you would have been sent there on your way to the results, do you know what the URL of the page was where you took that screenshot (or could you reproduce it to get a new URL)? Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:49, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Samwalton9: I'm using Firefox 92 for the Mac, with a bunch of plugins installed so it's possible one of them was the culprit. If I do the search again, here are the URLs I go through....
  • start here and type jessamyn in the search box
  • get this URL
  • click the words "Full text finder" that appear beneath the results for the third result (the one in Hollywood Reporter) and get that error at this URL.
I don't know why it's mentioning Meta either! Jessamyn (talk) 18:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Samwalton9 (WMF): I'm getting a similar error to Jessamyn in Firefox 93 on Windows 10. A search for "The Reign of King Chabbash: An Interpretation" returns a record with a "Full Text Finder" link, which gives me a "Firefox Can’t Open This Page" message and a "Open Site in New Window" button, which returns "No session token" / "Permission denied". —Bruce1eetalk 17:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[]

NOT is not working[edit]

In advanced search, I was looking for general articles about personal protective equipment, but a lot of them where specifically about covid-19 PPE, so I add "covid" in "not" field, but I was still seeing articles with "covid" on the title. Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 01:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Limited topics[edit]

I would like to search on more specific topics, as Chemistry, Chemical engineering, Health & Safety (not Health & Medicine), etc. I think it will be useful also for others to have more specific topics to search in. Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 01:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[]

American Psychological Association (APA) not available to me[edit]

I am subscribed to the resources of The American Psychological Association (APA). Logged in via a Wikipedia account. However, the full texts of the works from APA PsycARTICLES and APA PsycBooks are not available to me Mefodiyz (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Mefodiyz: I can confirm that APA doesn't seem to be providing us with access as intended at the moment - I'll look into this. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 09:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Searching NewspaperARCHIVE.com[edit]

Dear colleague(s),
Thank you for granting me access to the Wikipedia Library recently, through which I was hopeful to access and search NewspaperARCHIVE.com. I am logged into my account at the Wikipedia Library, where I see the Newspaper Archive among the 32 shown in "My Library"; so far, so good. When I click on their "Go to site" field, I reach this page, and when I enter a search argument (First name: "Jack" and Last name: "Whiting") hoping to find newspaper articles about this American actor (1901-1921), and click on the next tab ("Discover your family stories"), I am taken to a screen that asks me to "view all results via a free trial", which then requests that I go through a registration process. Since I haven't used the Wikipedia Library before, I had assumed it would grant me access to the 32 websites listed in "My Library" without having to register, in any way, at the target website(s). I may be missing something important, so thank you very much for helping me by clarifying how this service is meant to be used.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee (talk) 17:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Pdebee: Some collections are accessible simply by clicking (the ones which say "Access Collection"). Others require some additional step (they say "Go to site"). For the latter, you should have received some emails around the time your application was approved with details on how to access NewspaperArchive.com - they should involve you logging in to the site with your email address. If you can't find those or are having any other issues please let me know. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:32, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]