Talk:Mobilisation de fonds

Sorry, I don't speak French (somebody please translate). I just sent this email to Intlwiki-l that explains this page. Please edit this page to improve it so that it can replace the English version of the "Donations" link on the fr.wikipedia sidebar (meta does not support full HTML so the page looks bad now, but will look nice when it is dispalyed on the Wikimedia Foundation website). --maveric149

thanks Mav. I feel not motivated to advertise this a lot since french people can not make donations anyway. Perhaps a swiss or a belgian could do it.

Of course, quite a bit of the text needs to be changed as well, as no donations will ever be tax deductible except in the USA. This is not very motivating to donaters either.

These two are major issues to me.

Anthere

1. Have you or anybody else contacted PayPal to see why you are having problems donating?

Not me. Have troubles to do everything :-) Several people tried, and were turned down, while belgian people had no problem.

1. Is there something EU-wide that we could do in order to get tax-exempt status in EU countries? Or does that only work on a country by country basis?

--Maveric149 09:19, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

When this was mentionned, the discussion immediately turned toward the setting of a french wikimedia foundation branch. Then toward a french-speaking at least. I would be favorable to a european one (euro zone). It would be best to have a local foundation for promotional purpose, and we need to find a way to make it tax deductable for donators as well. I do not know yet if there is an option toward national tax deduction for all countries in the euro zone. It might be the best approach. More logical perhaps than doing it per country. A belgian (I think it is Loriaux, not sure though) suggested a direction, with an association status in Belgium, which is often used by NGOs for its facilities toward international management. I will try to see what is possible. User:Anthere

For PayPal payment in France or in Belgium, every new paypal user have problem (older not) because Paypal have changed their regsitration method: you need two credit card and you have to wait your bill to receive your 'expanded something number'. I still wait ... -- Looxix

But a credit card cost about 50 euros per year ! We are not gonna ask a second credit card in another bank just to be able to use the pay pal system ! Plus, apparently it is not a french card they want. That is totally stupid

I can easily borrow a card, but I must still wait about one month to receive the bill with the expanded number

However, someone gave me a tip. Apparently, it seems the system needs a number written at the back of the card, where you sign. I looked on mine, I have a double number. The end of it is a three digit number group. Someone suggested these three digit could be what is required somewhere. Could that be that expanded something number ? anthere

I don't think so. The 3 digit number is the check code and should always be present. They already asked it for the first card. From my understanding the expanded number is something else, generated by PayPal and communicated with the bill (monthly for me, in US I think it can be seen online in mostly real time (3 days)).

Also it is specified, that the procedure to completely verify an user is country specific, thus the situation in France is maybe different than in Belgium; but from what I have understand from Vincent he had exactly the same problem as I.

OK, so PayPal has problems. Does anybody have a suggestion for another popular and secure service we can use in addition to PayPal? One that has translated interfaces in many different languages would be best. BTW, why does talk always seem to go toward secession on the French Wikipedia everytime there is a problem? Is anti-Americanism really that rampent there? This hurts me greatly since we are doing the best we can as fast as we can. --Maveric149

just before the choose of paypal, one guy on the ML talk about another service that seemed more international. Is that remember you something? I will try to explore the ML archive.

NB I was not yet informed that there was a french secession, have you some info about this? I may be interested :-))

BTW, why does talk always seem to go toward secession on the French Wikipedia everytime there is a problem? Is anti-Americanism really that rampent there? This hurts me greatly since we are doing the best we can as fast as we can.

I heard not of secession. I heard of motivated users who wants things to work. That is different. I would not say there is rampent (or even non rampent) anti-americanism. In truth, I honestly have found much more anti-french on the en.wiki for the past year, than anti-american on the fr :-)

Take also into consideration that the french wiki is probably the third more active wikipedia, and that it is quite normal we are more noisy that smaller wikis. We are also now a number of french-speaking willing to participate in wider topics, not to stick to our local wikipedia.

Last, it may be a cultural issue, that french or belgian people are not as policed than german ones for example. Nothing personal Mav.

Btw, thinking of creating (in perhaps one year or so) a french association, or a belgian one should not be seen as secession. All big organisations do have national associations, all of them able to be federated in a big association, possibly with social center in USA. Examples such as Lions Club are done this way. anthere