Talk:Steward requests/Permissions/2004-2005

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It'd be a good idea to a get a final answer where the adminship requests should go. All this shifting around is confusing. Until a more-equal (e.g. Tim Starling, Brion) user says otherwise, I'm trying to sweep all this stuff over here.


I am applying for the 'el' section, forgive my naiveness, and thank you for pointing to the right page.

I think the Greek version is quite a mess for the moment. The frontpage contains errors, plus a link for downloading (illegally) a dictionary application. There are a lot of empty or badly copy-pasted articles. I looked in 'special relativity' and found the promotional of a book on Einstein. We need to motivate Greek users to write complete and accurate articles.

I think this is the right place if you are willing to be sysop on the greek wikipedia. Are they any other sysops here ? Did you have a vote for you perhaps ? Or may any sysop over there tell us if that is ok for you to be one ?

Incidently...there are no embassador for that wiki since Optim left, do you know of someone who might be interested ? thanks :-) Anthere

Gkastel: I don't know many other users, and there are quite a few of them (only 730 articles in the greek section, most of them empty). If you need an ambassador, I am Greek and speak English quite well, I 'd be happy to volunteer :)

Great ! I pick you up as the new ambassador. I'll come back to this later.
Now, we need to know you more to have you sysop on the greek wikipedia. It is not that we do not trust you (do not take it personally :-)), but it is necessary to check. If a undesirable greek person come here to ask to be sysop, then go run your place wild, I am sure no greek editor would appreciate :-) And I am sure we would hear complaints :-) :Could you perhaps give us the direct link to your user page on the greek wikipedia ? If you are not the first sysop, you may have a page where greek people agree for one user to be named sysop ? Can you give us the name of one sysop over there, so we can just make a quick check with him that it is okay to have you sysop over there ?
It is important that you do not feel yourself untrusted, it is mostly for the protection of your wikipedia.
cheers. Anthere
I don't know any sysops, but I think w:el:User:Leonariso must be one of them. Gkastel
To Anthere: by the way, Anther comes from the the Greek word 'Anthos' which is the flower (the blossom of the flower), not from an english word as you mention on your user page. Cheers, Gkastel.
I did not phrase it well then. I did not mean to say it comes from english (God forbid !), but rather to point out what equivalent there was from Anthère in french to Anthere in english. I'll fix this to be clearer. Thanks. I contact Leonariso. Anthere 13:48, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)



  1. Far too new. I also don't see why you need admin status here in order to cleanup the greek wikipedia. theresa knott 11:39, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Note that my opposition was based on thwe fact that the user asked for adminship on the english language wikipedia. I am neutral as far as the greek language version goes since I don't know the user. Theresa knott 12:02, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I see nowhere written that this user asked admin on en: ? Could someone help him here ? Anthere Gkastel, is your language page here protected ? Do you wish it unprotected if so ? Can you point at pages you wish to edit here specifically ? ant

  • He asked here apparently. - Fennec 13:51, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

A chance to comment?

A request here doesn't show up in the Recent Changes page at the wiki concerned, so it's entirely possible that nobody active in the wiki concerned would know about a new sysop until after it happened. There seems to be some merit in asking somewhere at the wiki concerned and waiting 7 days just in case there are people there who have a view on the matter. Even if edits are as infrequent as at September 11. Perhaps not in an emergency or where there aren't any active contributions at all. Jamesday 07:37, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Admins on Test

Even Brion doesn't know of a policy on test, so I assume that means there isn't one. Angela 20:13, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

My opinion is that on test, we can just sysop anyone who asks. I mean, if someone goes about and deletes all articles on test, that still sounds like a relatively minor nuisance... Of course, bureaucrats on test is a wholly different issue. - Andre Engels 13:11, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

a relatively minor nuisance... except for special situations like WikiHiero/Syntax where I am composing the page which will eventually end up at WikiHiero/Syntax: I need to do it on TestWiki because the rendering software isn't enabled anywhere else. --Phil 11:27, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I second André Anthere
IIRC, not so long ago (last summer?) every one was sysop on test. Is there any reasons to restrict sysophood on test? -- Looxix
If we give it to anyone who asks, we can also give it to everyone immediately. I agree. Fantasy 06:32, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I suggest not giving it to vandals. That is obvious isn't it? Just in case you actually meant everyone. There have been occasions where users have had to be banned from test. I'm not even sure I'd be happy giving it to people like Anthony or Perl considering the controversy giving them adminship in other Wikipedias has caused. Angela 07:27, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It seems that there are valid reasons to restrict adminship on test. Or even more: What would the reason for a normal user be, to need an admin-account on test?

This means, someone has to take decisions. We stewards should not take decisions on who can or who can not be sysop. We should just "give sysop status, if the one has the right to have sysop status".

To avoid taking decisions, I (Fantasy) propose to have a policy for test:

  • Every admin of any Wikipedia "can" have admin-status on test
  • The developers decide who is admin on test (it is their server ;-)
    • pro:
    • contra:
  • No one except developers need admin-rights on test. (what for anyway?)
    • pro:
    • contra:

Hold on ! That policy is precisely the one which was followed on meta, and we know how it backfire. It think it is not a good idea. Plus, test is low traffic place, so few people to check. Plus, it is mostly the place for developers to work, so we might ask developers their opinion, they matter more than us, and are more aware of what is sensible there. I suggest that we start asking their opinion on wikitech :-) Anthere 17:42, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes, no problem, you are right. Sorry, I was to fast ;-) Fantasy 18:50, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I asked on wikitech what they thought. Let's wait and see :-) ant
I restored your poll Fantasy, why remove it ??? (Anthere)
The "Hold on!" made me feel like "ups, I did something wrong" ;-) Fantasy 20:41, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Ah ? Sorry, did not mean to ;-) Apology...

See Tim's response on the mailing list. I was talking to him on IRC as well and he basically said that stewards should make anyone who asks a sysop, but developers could unsysop anyone they like for any reason. This seems a good idea to me and prevents the need for stewards to make decisions about it. Angela 00:27, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

so that is even simpler than thought :-) ant
...I have a strange feeling: why do we need Admins on test at all? Can someone in contact with the developers please clarify this? Thanks :-) Fantasy 11:33, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
(If there is no reason, I would propose to not have any admins there...?)
I have had one person who asked me 'to see the new skin as it is for sysops'. - Andre Engels 14:55, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
Funny... Anyway, Tim Starling said we could make anyone sysop on test, and he reserved the right to ban him if the guy was doing nasty things :-) Anthere

Executing resignations and dismissals

Hi. People may have to place a request for de-sysoping and de-bureaucrating of users from time to time. We Japanese wikipedians made such a request once in the past (when there was no steward), and now one more is on pending.

Would some of you create a place for those requests? And if do we need any link back, etc.?

I suppose a reasonable way is to place a request here with a link to the local page where a concensus on dismissal was formed or an intent was resignation was expressed. But you may have some different ideas. Please let me know.

Thanks, Tomos 07:18, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

I've added a new =Removal of access= section to Requests for permissions. Does that look ok to you? Angela 08:09, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
Yes, that looks good to me. Thank you, Angela. Tomos 17:25, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Democratic overregulation


I'm a bit concerned that Wikipedia is seemingly becoming to be overregulated with democratic procedures.

It seem to me to be a waste of time to commit poll for giving first bureaucrat status in language-section of Wikipedia to one of its two live Admins. The bureaucrat status doesn't add too much to the status of Admin to justify such a complicated procedure.

I understand root of this complication, and I don't expect any discussion, but I rather just share my concerns. Drbug 18:14, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I do agree that a poll is exaggerated, but on the other hand I would not want this done without discussion either. Something akin to the rule for sysophood on small Wikipedias (announce it on a well visible place, and you get bureaucrathood if there are no objecions) seems more appropriate. - Andre Engels 21:06, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I suppose it would be positive to limit objections checking procedure by two days - if the problem user will try to become a bureaucrat, it will be noticed in these two days... Two days do not sound overregulation for me, unlike the week... Drbug 17:04, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I've changed the header to add a disclaimer that if a vote doesn't take place before adminship is granted and a complaint is then made by the community, the adminship can be easily revoked pending a vote. This allows us to make admins quickly (which with the new wikiquotes, we need to do), whilst having some control over not knowing whether someone is really suitable. Angela 20:53, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Fulfilled request and moved to archive1


Can someone please read my question on Talk:Stewards. I wish I could not just make sysops but de-sysop, and make sysops on other wikis if nesessary. I think I have prooven that I am not one to misuse my powers. Also, I speak russian so I might be of help there (although I'm still looking for a good cyrillic I'm slow on typing). Can someone respond on my EnWiki talk page? (my talk on meta is just a redirect to my enWiki talk page). Thanks — Ilyanep (Talk) 00:33, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you Tim Staring

I've just known Tim Starling desysoped himself on wikis where he is inactive, including ja. But there is no report on his desysop and I can't know when he did so. For documentation, please leave a note on ja:Wikipedia:管理者の辞任 (Resignin g of administrators). Thanks. --Aphaia 02:42, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

(Corrected above to ja:) Srl 08:15, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Hi there I can't find admin requests page I want a permissions on my username in wikiqoute the arabic version & wikipedia the arabic too , I'm member since March 2004 & the only user who work on currently my username عبدالله

Sorry, I cannot do anything of you, as I cant read your user name. All I see as a name is ????? and I somehow doubt it is really your user name. Anthere

Install an arab font if you just see ?????. Guaka 09:22, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I get the error message "User rights for "عبدال@arwikiquote" could not be set". Please give your user ID, which can be found here. Angela 06:37, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi here is my username at Arabic Wikiquote & I request to be sysop there [[1]] my internal ID=1

Also I write a request at [[2]] & [[3]] I asked for sysop since Oct 2004 when I start the Arabic part of Wikiquote & we are now in June 2005 ;) Abdulla

done. Not surprising. Requests are done on main page, not talk page :-) Anthere

Bureaucracy, no clarity, anglocentricity

I'm put off by unclear bureaucracy in general, but even more when it's happening on Wikipedia. Can someone please make this page a bit clearer? And provide reasons why? Also, this is an English only page. What if there's someone applying for adminship who doesn't write English? (But who does write Russian, Spanish, French, Chinese...) Guaka 09:22, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You can of course write your request in the language you prefer. I think requests in English would be most fastly filfilled though, and requests in some languages whose speaker are rare on meta should need more time, but it is another matter. Cheers. --Aphaia | WQ2翻訳中 | talk 08:07, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

eo: without bureaucrat(s)?

  • Halló! Maybe with the change to Version 1.4 the bureaucrat attributes get lost at eo:, see eo:Special:Listusers. Could you please check what happened? eo:Vikipedio diskuto:Administrantoj is the page to candidate for adminship. eo:... shows mine. Now nearly one week passed without any action. Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 07:33, 2005 Feb 20 (UTC)
    • I have made you a sysop. You will have to discuss amongst yourselves whom you want to be a bureaucrat. - Andre Engels 12:14, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Request for removal of user talk from Wikipedia

For (Talk)

Shared ISP network, too many users. Please remove User Talk.


If you mean the English Wikipedia, please add a {{delete}} tag to the page so an admin there can do that. It's not something stewards are needed for. Angela 06:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

removal requests

Node ue removed two requests filfilled later locally. In my opinion they are better to be archived too, because they were once suspended because of technical reasons of stewards, and then resolved in another way. Or it is unnecessary to archive them? --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 05:19, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

I feel they should be archived. It's confusing if requests just disappear from the page for no apparent reason. Angela


I don't understand the objection to archiving. The point of archiving is so stewards can quickly look at this page and see if there are any outstanding requests. If people want to see which actions have been done already, they can check the log and the archive. Is there any reason to respond to already fulfilled requests on this page rather than moving them straight away? I find it quite annoying to check the page and have to spend time archiving when whoever edited the page to add their comment could have just moved the request to the archive whilst they were doing that. Angela 01:13, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Requests for rollback

Tim Starling has now added the "rollback" group to all Wikimedia wikis. It looks like only stewards can assign this right, not bureaucrats, even thought it involves less power than admins have. There's no agreement on en:Wikipedia talk:Requests for rollback on whether this permission level should exist, and I don't know if the other languages are even aware of it, so please be careful when assinging this new permission. Angela 21:26, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Switched off again. People weren't actually meant to find out about that. It's not useful without a specialised user interface. -- Tim Starling 21:44, July 22, 2005 (UTC)


What is user right "import"?--Shizhao 14:59, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

It allows use of Special:Import. Not sure if this feature is actually allowed in the configuration files of the Wikimedia projects. Slow answer. Datrio 09:40, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Where is the request?

I had requested bureaucrat staus for ml: wikipedia. Where is it now???. Is it deleted.?? Pardon my ignorance. Manjithkaini 05:43, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Sys-op interface problem

Hello, I am an administrator with sys-op privileges on Wikipedia in Bosnian Language and all our administrators have lost the link to the interface where they can change status of users into sys-ops. Was there something changed recently in that function and can someone here help us out with this problem. Many thanks --Dado 19:53, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

It should be at bs:Special:Makesysop. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 20:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Bot flags

When will bot flags be available again ? Can local wikis set botflags themselves ? Thank you Faager 13:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Request for sysop

Hi. I have request for sysop in I wonder if I dont get any support nor objections due to other users inactivity, what it gonna be ? still wait for any support ? Thanks Borgx 15:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

If there are no objections, you can be made an admin. Angela 19:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Moving bot requests to their own page

I'm sick of all these bot requests. The requests are almost always wrong and can't be carried out anyway. Is there any objection to moving these to their own page? As well as keeping the more important admin requests page tidier, it might make it easier for bot owners to read the instructions and find they need support on their wiki before making their requests. Angela 19:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

yes; it was a *good* idea... Anthere 05:03, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Requests for sysop rights removal

hello. i have sysop permission at the hebrew wikipedia. Please advice what is the procedure for a request of my sysop rights removal. [4] Thank's. John Doe 11:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

CheckUser rights for the Vietnamese Wikipedia

Would it be possible for a sysop or bureaucrat at the Vietnamese Wikipedia to get CheckUser permissions, because we've been seeing an uncanny influx of new registered users for the past month, and I'm getting quite suspicious that someone is just going in and creating oodles of sockpuppet accounts. We're close to having more registered users than articles, and the community is getting worried. If these are all sockpuppet accounts, we'd like to find out the IP address of the registerer, so we can either scold or block them. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 20:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi, I am one of the sysadmins at ar.wikipedia; did not know where to ask, but there is a need to know if of one the following is actually a mask for another,

at the Arabic wikipedia.

We are aware of the CheckUser, but this need to be done now due to conflict about a picture rights!

thanks, --Tarawneh 04:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

de Wikiversity

hi, i was asking if my request for bureaucrat on de wikiversity takes so long or if there is any problem?

greetz Tomen 13:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


I'd like a login to Raul654 21:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Your request has been moved here. Korg 22:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)