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Language Code Proficiency Level Categories: en vs. mi[edit]

The language code proficiency level categories at User language written in English would define me as a 'native speaker' of language code mi (henceforth referred to as 'the reo'). However, the reo translation used at [[1]] for level "N" can be translated as 'the Maori language is the language of upbringing of this person'. As the reo was not the primary language of my home as a child, I have opted to prioritise [[2]] definition over the User language English language version. It is recommended that a standardisation test be developed to measure equivalence of categories between languages. --Te Karere 12:17, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Parser function sorts differently[edit]

The {{#babel:}} parser function provided by the Babel extension (in use on this wiki, and presumably intended to eventually replace the template-based Babel scheme) places users into the same categories as this template, but sorts them according to fluency level (so, e.g., "1" = level 1, not native level ["N" is used for native]). This template and {{User language category}} should really be changed to match the way the parser function categorizes users. As things currently stand, the description in the various user-language categories of how users are sorted is (mostly?) just plain wrong. - dcljr 08:37, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the English text and examples, but the translations will need to be updated manually for each category. —Pathoschild 02:49:12, 01 February 2012 (UTC)

Neapolitan language (nap)[edit]

The neapolitan box for the babel it's in italian. We should write it in neapolitan. Where can I modify it? -- Vicipaedianus X 10:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

See the doc of the MediaWiki extension, it explains the installation. Notably the Babel extension depends on some "MediaWiki:*" resource pages, whose content can be translated in TranslateWiki.net. When there"s no available translation in "MediaWiki:resourcename/languagecode" ; for the specified languagecode (which is the user UI language; not the content language), MediaWiki trt to locate some fallbacks using language configuration of fallbacks (that's why it finds Italian as a fallback for Neapolitan), or otherwise use the default content language of the wiki (English on Meta-Wiki); and this is even fails it will try the untranslated value of "MediaWiki:resourcename" (if it also does not exists, it will just display the "resourcename" between parentheses, instead of displaying a red link to "MediaWiki:resourcename", because pages in "MediaWiki:*" or normally not editable except by admins; but these pages are fed by a bot importing transaltions from TranslateWiki.net).
In some of the translations proposed in "MediaWiki:*/llanguagecode" there are some configuration variables to specifiy the format of template names to use to render each box. In most Wikimedia wikis they are defined in "Template:User <languagecode>-<proficiency>" (such as "Template:User en-N").
The text of the Babel header is in one of these "Mediawiki:*" resources translatable in Translatewiki.net. So go to it and add the missing napolitan translations. A bot will import them within the day on MetaWiki and other wikis that have chosen to subscribe to import Babelbox extension (the MediaWiki import bot taking data from TranslateWiki.net performs so,e consistency checks and notifies the administrators of each wiki when there are new sets of resources: these imports may be blocked or reviewed before being imported.
Be careful: when translating resources in TranslateWiki.net, the texts must be fully independant of the target wiki that will import them otherwise they will be blocked, and you'll need to contact a local wiki administrator to edit a MediaWiki:*/* page (but you can already look at its content).
For example the Babel box header is in MediaWiki:Babel, its Italian version is in MediaWiki:Babel/it, the neapolitan version should be in MediaWiki:Babel/nap (which curently has the same content as Italian, it is not using a fallback)... So look in TranslateWiki.net for the resource named "Babel" in the project for MediaWiki extension translations : there's an associated translation group containing these resources for that Babel extension
note that pages in "MediaWiki:*" cannot be transalted locally using the Translate extension; but TranslateWiki.net does use the Translate extension to allow users translating the MediaWiki UI and its extensions, or other opensourced projects. You need to create a local user account on TranslateWiki.net and logon there, separately from Wikimedia and confim your email account (SUL does not work there): Translatewiki.net is more restrictive than standard Wikimedia wikis, for security reasons. verdy_p (talk) 18:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

categories included by mistake[edit]

The use of the babel template in this page causes some (ru+en+az+fr) user language categories to be included in the page (and it shouldn't be). I know there's a way (like the "noinclude" markup) to prevent that, but I'm not that proficient in the "wiki grammer". can anybody fix that?
in this opportunity, is there a way in the language categories to see users with a specific language level? (not from level 2 and above, but only level 2. I tried to change the "from" keyword in the URL and I didn't find the right parameter). Hummingbird (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Mandarin Chinese (cmn)[edit]

Why does {{#babel:cmn}} displays "English" rather than "Mandarin Chinese" (or the equivalent translated text)? A clean mediawiki vagrant instance shows "Mandarin Chinese" correctly. -- KTC (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe "Mandarin Chinese" is not supported by Wikimedia as separate language? See also related (probably) discussion - Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mandarin Chinese. --Kaganer (talk) 12:42, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Whether there is a specific language Wikipedia is unrelated to the display of babel language. The babel text displays correctly on other Wikimedia wikis such as Commons. The only place I have encountered an issue is here on Meta. -- KTC (talk) 00:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
I asked this issue to Nemo on your task and he told me that that should be modified on CLDR. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:36, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Custom layout (babel-plain)[edit]

The "babel-plain" workaround is not working for me. It used to, but something must be broken or disappeared. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

This was removed from css. Documentation is updated. --Kaganer (talk) 12:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Cf. Phabricator task T33309 for enabling "plain" opt-out from header and footer links. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

BiDi issues[edit]

Hi! cc: @EugeneZelenko

I noted some bidirectional issues related to the rendering of LTR type text snippets (as "This user can read and write intermediate English.") in RTL wikis:

test links for m:user:EugeneZelenko:

  1. b:ar:user:EugeneZelenko
  2. n:fa:user:EugeneZelenko
  3. q:he:user:EugeneZelenko
  4. s:yi:user:EugeneZelenko
  5. v:ar:user:EugeneZelenko
  6. w:yi:user:EugeneZelenko
  7. wikivoyage:ur:user:EugeneZelenko at incubator:user:EugeneZelenko
  8. wikt:yi:user:EugeneZelenko

failing test links for m:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין:

  1. b:ar:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
  2. n:fa:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
  3. q:he:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
  4. s:yi:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
  5. v:ar:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
  6. w:yi:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
  7. wikivoyage:ur:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין at incubator:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
  8. wikt:yi:user:בײַ מיר ביסטו שיין
added: 23:22, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

requirements:

  1. the text mentioned above should be aligned left
  2. the final colon was at the wrong place; it was at the beginning of the second LTR line; it should be at the end
  3. the listed links to the WMF projects where adjacent to the rendered Babel templates making a great difference between the rendering at LTR WMF projects and the rendering at RTL WMF projects

https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=13253599&oldid=863968 shows a change which fixed the BiDirectional issues for this particular global user page.

Please see also template_talk:Translatable template#BiDi_issues. Best regards lɛʁi ʁɑjnhɑʁt (leri raynhart)

‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 21:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


Origins of the classification[edit]

It seems like a great system to classify language skills. I'm curious as to where it is from. Is there a broader theoretical background / empirical research it is set against, or is it based on practices and traditions of wikipedians? Is there information beyond the one sentence as to how to classify yourself?

Thanks, the system looks really good, and it's a great feature for Wikipedia to have some standards for proficiency marking.

Pusle8 (talk) 09:19, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Discrepancy between page and template?[edit]

Wierdly, the page describing the classification has 0-5+N while the template only has 0-4+N levels. Which one is meant as correct, and why the difference? Thanks.

I mean the difference between these two: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_language https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_language . Pusle8 (talk) 09:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Issue with ase[edit]

The language code "ase" (American Sign Language) doesn't seem to work correctly in user language boxes. See my userpage for an example: next to "ase-1", it reads "This user has basic knowledge of English" (rather than American Sign Language). If someone could let me know how to fix this, I would very much appreciate it. Thank you! Mr. Granger (talk) 00:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Multilingualism[edit]

Just wondering ... why doesn't {{#babel: ...}} output the header and footer of the box itself in the interface language? (It does that on Wikidata and Commons, as far as it goes.) StevenJ81 (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Caching issues, aka load issues. Wikidata bypass the cache, I guess Commons do that too. It is a configuration variable in the extension. — Jeblad 22:08, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Help page?[edit]

Isn't this an extension-specific help page, and as such should be on Mediawiki.org? — Jeblad 22:09, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Mistaken tag:CHN[edit]

Minor error: CHN currently codes as English. It should read out as Chinukwawa. Thank you for your attention! 曙䬠 - Sant'owax Q'ulsnas (talk) 20:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)