Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Rollback

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Feedback[edit]

  • This is a terrible idea. Stop bloating the preferences for everybody, especially with a feature that nobody wants. This whole thing is just a German Wikipedia problem caused by the German Wikipedia giving rollback permissions to thousands of unwitting users, so make it a configuration setting to enable it only on the German Wikipedia (or other wikis which ask for it). For all the others, don't add this new unrequested feature, with or without a preference. For years we've been trying to simplify and streamline the MediaWiki interface to help its usability, it's astonishing when development resources are spent to reduce usability. --Nemo 11:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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    The current decision appears to be meant as a peaceful compromise between the different opinions. Criticism of the general idea has been voiced before, and was useful and welcome in the feedback round -- but it might be a good idea to drop the stick now that a compromise has been decided on. Disclosure: I have voted against the feature in the feedback round. for the same reasons as you.. ToBeFree (talk) 14:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
    Update: I originally wrote "for the same reasons as you", but I was referring to the technical criticism only. I have now linked my original vote for reference. ToBeFree (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Actually, I quite like this idea; I think the updated proposal neatly addresses my concerns from the previous one, and I would now like to see this happen. Confirmation dialogs as an opt-in seems like a useful thing to me (I've already written a JS user script that does this), and since it'll be opt-in in places outside of dewiki, I can't see any harm that would come of it. The fact that I, and probably many others, have already written or used scripts that do this point to its utility, and also the ease of development, and since it's opt-in, I don't see any downsides. Thanks for addressing the concerns from the first proposal! Writ Keeper (talk) 14:23, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
  • If dewiki people don't use rollback that much and complains a lot, I think the way dewiki is handling rollback is the problem to solve here. (Yup, can be useful for those like sysop... but not the point here.) Removing rollback from dewiki 'editor' and granting to those who needs it is probably the best idea for dewiki users. — regards, Revi 20:25, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Hello, you said "The confirmation will be in JavaScript.". Would it be possible to have a confirmation page in a no-js fallback, and to handle cases where scripts are not yet loaded, exactly like how Thanks system works ? --Framawiki (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Framawiki: I'm sorry for replying so late. Yes, it seems this would be possible. We'll keep it on our radar. Thanks for your feedback! -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Ammarpad: Oh, thanks a lot for this notice! I thought I had avoided this by splitting the ping template into several separate ones. But if you haven't been pinged, I assume no one has. I just did the pings again. Did you receive a notification this time? -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 10:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Johanna Strodt (WMDE): Yes. I got pinged now. The limitation is enforced per signature, so it doesn't matter whether you use single template or grouped users using several templates. –Ammarpad (talk) 10:14, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Could this be made into a global preference? Eg, if stewards, global rollbacks, or etc want to use the preference, but don't want to have to enable it on every wiki. --Terra  (talk) 13:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @TerraCodes: I'll ask if that's possible. Do you have global rollback rights yourself? I personally would have guessed that global rollbackers would prefer not to have the confirmation prompt (but I can of course be wrong). So I'd love to hear your experiences. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 14:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Johanna Strodt (WMDE): Nah, I'm not a global rollback, was just using the group as an example of a group that has rollback on more than a few wiki. --Terra  (talk) 14:19, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • It is available in global preferences. --Wargo (talk) 14:52, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Huh it wasn't there when I wrote the first message, but its there now. --Terra  (talk) 03:22, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Wargo: Thanks! -- 09:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Ajax[edit]

I think rollbacking from Recent Changes and other lists should be in AJAX. --Wargo (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@Wargo: Using AJAX for rollbacks on list pages would be a new wish. You could submit it, for instance, to the next Community Wishlist Survey by Community_Tech. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
No, this applies only on rollbacks with this new confirmation. With confirmation disabled sure users just can (could) open this link in new window, currently they need to switch to that window and confirm message. --Wargo (talk) 09:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
I second this. Nobody wants to leave the recent changes just to do a rollback, it should really happen asynchronously. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I hope this idea is not proceeding on all wikis. It's entirely inappropriate to bloat MediaWiki and reduce usability for most users just to fix a single-wiki configuration problem. Nemo 15:33, 9 April 2019 (UTC)