Talk:WikiVolunteers User Group (proposed)

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Feel free to say hello, ask questions, or propose a small project to help us get going (e.g creating a logo). If you support our objectives you are invited to sign up as a member and maybe even propose changes to the text on our main page. Participate, help out, volunteer, and enjoy! Smallbones (talk) 16:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Advocacy for volunteers[edit]

Mailing list[edit]

Volunteer support[edit]

I am just copying over a few ideas expressed by Smallbones on how the proposed group can support volunteers. To quote him, we need to "limit what we try to do to things that are within our resources". Please expand this list or go into more detail.

  • Offer advice to volunteers on all WMF projects on how to work with non-volunteer editors and how to best enforce the Terms of Use on their home projects
  • Offer advice on how to best work with the WMF, chapters, and other affiliates and, with the consensus of the User Group, help represent the editor's concerns to the WMF or affiliate in a constructive manner.
  • Organize a listing of current volunteer opportunities available to editors.
  • Recognize exceptional volunteer editors, especially in the smaller projects.
  • Advise on organizing volunteer projects in various language editions.
  • Advise on funding applications to further volunteer projects.

GastelEtzwane (talk) 22:07, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks to @Bri and Happybluemo: for proposing and making the proposed logo. I like it in that it is quite striking and will distinguish us from other user groups very well. I interpret it as something like a student or volunteer raising their hand to say "yes, I'm in." I do wonder if this interpretation is world-wide. Also I'd suggest CamelCase for the text in the logo.

In any case, a logo is a significant symbol for the group, so this should be discussed and if there are any other proposals for logos we should consider those as well. Until then, the "official logo" of the group is the pd Community logo, as stated in our application. Smallbones (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

M:WikiConvention francophone/2017/Programme/Don Quichotte ou David contre Goliath ? Comment lutter contre les contributions rémunérées[edit]

will be presented by @GastelEtzwane: at the October 19 Francophone WikiConvention. I'd love to see his ideas after the presentation. But perhaps we can encourage him and put down a few ideas of our own on how to level the playing field between companies and individuals who are willing to spend $1,000s to put in a "WikiAd" and volunteers who can only offer their time.

My 5 main ideas on this topic are:

  1. Let people know what our rules are - if we do this the vast majority of people and companies will try, in good faith, to follow them. But if we don't communicate our rules, people will just start assuming "Wikipedia is the encyclopedia where anybody can put in an advert."
  2. Always remember that the large majority of users and readers do not want hidden adverts in our encyclopedias. They may not be active in trying to stop paid editing, but when the topic comes up, they will be there.
  3. We need to show strength and solidarity. Confrontation will always have some negative unintended consequences; but a large group of volunteers standing together will often be enough to dissuade paid editors.
  4. Some rules need to be adjusted or clarified from time to time, but unless we remember point 3 above, just changing the rules may not help.
  5. There are mechanisms that help enforce current rules, e.g. Articles for Deletion on enWiki. These need to be attended to. It's a lot of work, but there is no way around doing the work. Smallbones (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Smallbones :-)
I welcome any suggestions and I hope that we will be able to get a film on the conference, we have to keep on talking about this issue. Your point 3. Strength and Solidarity, is the key to our success. GastelEtzwane (talk) 11:22, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Traduction française des propositions de Smallbones :
  1. Informer les gens de nos règles - si nous le faisons, la grande majorité des personnes et des entreprises vont essayer, de bonne foi, de les suivre. Mais si nous ne communiquons pas nos règles, les gens vont commencer à se dire que "Wikipédia est une encyclopédie où tout le monde peut mettre une pub".
  2. Toujours garder à l'esprit que la grande majorité des utilisateurs et des lecteurs ne veulent pas de publicités cachées dans nos encyclopédies. Ils ne sont peut être pas activement opposés aux contributions rémunérées, mais si le sujet vient au devant de la scène, ils seront là.
  3. Nous devons montrer notre force et faire preuve de solidarité. La confrontation aura toujours quelques conséquences négatives inattendues ; mais un grand groupe de bénévoles solidaires entre eux est souvent suffisant pour dissuader les contributeurs rémunérées.
  4. Quelques règles devront être adaptées ou clarifiées de temps en temps, mais à moins de garder le point 3 à l'esprit, un simple changement des règles ne va pas aider.
  5. Des mécanismes existent pour aider à faire respecter les règles actuelles, par exemple les Pages à Supprimer (WP:PàS) sur frWiki. Cela doit être fait. C'est beaucoup de travail, mais il n'y a pas d'alternative.
GastelEtzwane (talk) 21:51, 18 October 2017 (UTC)