Talk:Wikipedia Library User Group

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Initial discussions[edit]

What should this group be called? Wikipedia Library User Group, or something else?[edit]

  • WeWikiNLib User Group just a thought. Sumita Roy Dutta (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Wikimedia Library User Group --- let's not forget the sister projects! Amqui (talk) 04:10, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
    +1 for Amqui's suggestions. — regards, Revi 12:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
  • A small group of us were discussing this at WMCON17, and we liked both 'Wikipedia + Libraries' and 'Wikibrarians+' We envision this Usergroup not as a group of librarians that work with the Wikipedia Library (although we hope everyone does!), but as a means for librarians and library staff working with Wikipedia to connect with each other. 'Wikipedia + Libraries' gets at this. 'Wikibrarians+' is nice in that it doesn't mark librarians as separate from Wikipedians or vice versa. Megs (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
    Megs, why always Wikipedia ? I have personally used local librairies holdings to contribute to Wikivoyage and they can be useful to so many other Wikimedia projects, why exclude them by using Wikipedia instead of Wikimedia, I do not understand? And if we include archives as some suggest below and not only traditional librairies, then here our biggest partnership is Wikisource and it's very successful. You do not want to exclude librarians from being also Wikipedians, but why not wanting librarians to not be excluded from being also Wikimedians? Amqui (talk) 13:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
@Amqui: I certainly don't want to exclude sister projects. My focus here is on choosing a name that doesn't so directly map to the Wikipedia Library. I view them as separate, but mutually supportive projects. The 'Wikibrarians' and 'Wikibrarians+' suggestions are project agnostic. Megs (talk) 20:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@Megs: Thanks :-) I can see the name "Wikibrarians" hard to translate in many languages though. Unless this group is English-specific, I think this is an aspect we should consider. For example, we already have a working local "Wikipedia Library" on the French Wikipedia with resources in French, and I hope more are to come in many languages. Amqui (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@Amqui: That's a good point! It'd be great to get more suggestions from the group. Megs (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

What do you think of the logo? Should it include the owl? Do you have an alternative proposal?[edit]

  • I propose a mashup of the Wikipedia owl and the "GIVE A HOOT READ A BOOK" poster from the Simpsons. Allanaaaaaaa (talk) 19:22, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Heh, an amusing thought. :) Personally, I like the logo as it stands -- it's attractive and uncluttered, although if I have a concern, it's just a question of how clear it will be at smaller sizes. But assuming folks who are smarter about graphics than I am expect that it will be fine, I certainly like the look of it. Jwrosenzweig (talk) 20:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • What about a logo that Wikifies an image like this? I'd love to see something that focuses on people.Megs (talk) 17:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • I would prefer a logo that doesn't have the owl as I think that speaks well to public libraries but not academic, archive, etc. I would like the logo to look similar to the wiki logos but represent the diversity of the group. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎
  • In the Italian culture, the owl is a decidedly negative figure since the dawn of time; ancient Romans thought it could bring death, today it is used to label people who always can at least foresee misfortune and catastrophes. Additionally, very recently it was the subject of a political controversy, so "owls" could also be a political unofficial faction. I personally like it and I think I'm immune to superstition, yet presenting the project in Italy I still would feel a bit more comfortable without it... :-) --g (talk) 20:19, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Is there anything you'd like to add or change about the main page?[edit]

  • Many thanks to everyone who created the main page! I think it'd be helpful to have a discussion about the mission of the usergroup. Is it for Wikipedians, librarians, and wikibrarians to extend the work of the Wikipedia Library? Or for Wikipedians to connect with libraries and librarians? Or to connect and support the very active community of wikibrarians? Or all of these things? I don't think the current mission excludes any of these approaches, but I'd like to parse this out. Megs (talk) 18:00, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • I personally would be interested in adding details about the advocacy and accessibility elements to this group. Adding citations, etc. progress information access and free knowledge sharing. I think there is a connection to open education here as well. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎

How should the group be organized and organize?[edit]

Who should be part of this group? What role would you like to play?[edit]

This came up in conversation among a few of us at ACRL, so I thought I'd add it here -- can we position this group to include all the letters in the GLAM world, or is it intended just to be for libraries/librarians as narrowly defined? My work with Wikipedia in a library context has almost always involved (fruitful) collaboration with archives and archivists, and I think including them (and galleries and museums) would be advantageous. Does that make sense to others? (If so, it would certainly impact naming.) Jwrosenzweig (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

There has been an incidental historical distance between Galleries and Museum work, and Libraries. Archives have fell inbetween. There are plans for a separate GLAM group, which would focus on the typical work of bulk image donations and WikiData representation of objects. The lines are not strict--of course there are special libraries with their own collections, rare books and manuscripts, and archives within libraries. The reason this is a libraries group specifically is twofold: 1) In GLAM's history libraries have often been given less attention, used as spaces for editathons but not as outreach targets in themselves (of course there are notable exceptions, but it's the trend). Secondly, librarians as a profession are experts in a different way than museumists. Librarians are reference experts and ideally situated to both contribute content, help others research content, and teach others to contribute themselves. Librarian training happens typically in separate degree programs with their own curricula and there is a bond among librarians that is quite tight. We are not 'removing' libraries from GLAM, merely giving a spotlight to the librarians within GLAM. That's my thinking and so far it seems to make sense to others. As you can see we already have over 100! people signed up who want to work on Wikipedia + Libraries specifically. I think that's a good sign that this is a potent niche that deserves its own focus. Cheers, Jake Ocaasi (WMF) (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
+1 to Jake's comments. Megs (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree it can and should be an inclusive group. I have to admit I had to look up the acronym GLAM though! (Galleries, libraries, archives, and museums, for others who don't know.) I wonder if it is best to represent that inclusion in the name or if it can be covered in the description of the group. Brookfre (talk) 19:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I think inclusion is important here and agree with the discussion above. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎

I think this group's core focus would be on libraries. Not that the GLAM enthusiasts would not be welcome to participate here, but as Jake said, libraries have historically operated differently from galleries and museums. TWL has never been closer to libraries than it is now. TWL always has precisely focused on libraries, since the goal of TWL and libraries are closely aligned. To improve the relationship amongst Wikipedians and librarians, TWL has been constantly pursuing new initiatives, some of which we think the Wikimedia + Libraries community should be leading instead. One instance of the many initiatives is the #1lib1ref campaign which encourages librarians all over the world to add one reference to an article. This absolutely does not mean the "GAM" part of "GLAM" doesn't mean anything to TWL; galleries, museums and archives are just as important for making knowledge available to all. Another fact that impedes us from intervening in "GAM" is that there already is a dedicated program "GLAM" that looks after just that, but with a much bigger scope. And GLAM already has initiated the process of creating a GLAM user group. Two groups with the same goals would be a tad redundant I believe. Also, I believe limiting the scope of the group helps us not only in not getting bogged down by too much to do, but also in planning effectively.--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

What should be the group's scope? What activities should it take part in?[edit]

  • Although Open Access Week is an obvious place for this groups activity, I would like to also consider some work around Open Education Week as the work of adding content to Wikipedia really impacts education. Think about the number of students served in a two hour reference shift versus the number of "students" served by improving or writing a Wikipedia article. I really connect my wiki activity to opening education, showcasing hidden collections through citations, and improving research practice. With that in mind, I would like us to consider Open Education Week (March) as a time for engaging in wiki events by this group. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎


Thank you all for providing your input on the questions above. Although the responses weren't overwhelming from a group with 130 signups, the points made here are solid and things that we will still have to discuss. Because participation was a tad on the low side, we're going to go forward with the existing name--Wikipedia Library User Group, and the existing logo. That does not mean the discussions here are discounted. The steering committee (~20 people responsible for directing the group after approval), will start the discussions on the name and logo once formed. The group's objectives, approaches, target etc., will also be shaped by the steering committee, taking into account the points made here. We'll submit our application soon to the affiliations committee and keep you in the loop. Once again, thank you for your valuable opinions. Regards--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

User Group approved[edit]

Hello everyone! I'm glad to announce that our application has been approved and the Wikipedia Library User Group has officially been recognised by the Affiliations Committee. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has been part of this initiative, helping it conceptualise, shape and progress. The founding members will meet soon to discuss the initial setup and tasks of the user group. We have a lot of interesting and important things planned for the group, which we will let you know in the near future. In the mean time, you can share with us any interesting ideas you might have. Once again, thank you for being a part of this group! --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Kudos--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Awesome news! African Hope (talk) 15:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Great , hope to star the work soon . --Mohamed Ouda (talk) 18:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • congratulations for us , this is a good news and i'm disposed to giving help to the UG :) --Mohammed Bachounda (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! Good news. -Hasivetalk • 08:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Congrats Sumita Roy Dutta (talk) 10:06, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Suggestions for new resources[edit]

All Africa[edit]

Are there any librarians in this group that have full-text access to All Africa? Thanks! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: We have All Africa, what do you need from it? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
@Rachel Helps (BYU): I need access to this article for another editor, Alanna the Brave who is writing about Kimberly Anyadike on English Wikipedia. I'm so glad someone has access! I rarely need it, but when I do, it's so frustrating. >:) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
@Megalibrarygirl: We have a book called All Africa but it's not the same as the database you mentioned. We have a really good inter-library loan team though, and I put in a request for the article. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
@Rachel Helps (BYU): Thank you so much! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia and Library related events at Wikimania 2017[edit]

Wikimania 2017 in Montreal is going to be a great event for libraries and Wikipedia! We put together a list of events that are Wikipedia and library related for your convenience and scheduling help. So, here it is!

The main gathering, where everyone will attend, is:

Birds of a Feather Meetup: Wikipedia + Libraries meetup on August 11th, 13:00 to 14:00 in Joyce/Jarry (level A) There will be a buffet lunch set up outside starting at 12:30 - get your lunch and then gather in Joyce/Jarry.

If you're in town early, there is a scan-a-thon at the National archives, and various other training and editing activities on Wednesday.

Name of the Event Time Venue
Friday, August 11th
Wikipédia, les bibliothèques publiques et Montréal (head of the Montreal Public Library, translation provided 11:00 - 11:30 Ballroom West (level 4)
Creating a local digital community. Prototyping a collaborative workshop in libraries / Création d'une communauté numérique locale. Prototypage d'un atelier contributif en bibliothèque translation provided 11:30 - 12:00 Ballroom West (level 4)
Centering Knowledge From The Margins 11:30 - 12:30 Drummond West (level 3)
Birds of a feather meetups: Wikipedia + Libraries meetup 13:00 - 14:00 Joyce/Jarry (level A)
The Internet Archive and Wikimedia - Common Knowledge Goals 14:00 - 15:00 Drummond Center (level 3)
Growing a User Group, a roadmap for survival 16:00 - 17:00 Drummond Center (level 3)
Saturday, August 12th
Interview with Alexandra Elbakyan, founder of SciHub 11:00-12:00 Ballroom West (level 4)
Structured Commons: what changes are coming? 11:30 - 12:00 Drummond Center (level 3)
Wikipedia Visiting Scholars 11:45 - 12:30 Salon 5 (level 2)
Wikicite: Citations needed for the sum of all human knowledge 14:00-14:30 Drummond West (level 3)
Journals Cited by Wikipedia: Evaluating the Impact of Journals on Wikipedia 14:30 - 15:00 Drummond West (level 3)
Is Wikipedia ready for videos? 16:00 - 16:30 Drummond East (level 3)
Dana Wager - FactsCan, political fact checking 16:00 - 17:00 Ballroom West (level 4)
State of Video in the Wikimedia Movement 16:30 - 17:00 Drummond East (level 3)
Sunday, August 13th
Frédéric Giuliano & Hélène Laverdure, Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec: Libraries, Archives and sharing knowledge 09:00-10:30 Ballroom West + Center
Brick by Brick: Libraries and Wikimedia building on each other 11:00 - 11:30 Ballroom Center (level 4)
Libraries and Wikipedia: Global perspectives and opportunities 11:30 - 12:30 Ballroom Center (level 4)

You can find the list of all programmes on the Wikimania programmes page. Hope to see many of you there!

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia + Libraries Meetup[edit]

Hi everyone! A gentle reminder on the Birds of a feather discussion: Wikipedia + Libraries Meetup that will happen in Wikimania 2017 on Friday, August 11.

If you are coming in-person, come join us in the venue at the time given below!

Venue: Joyce/Jarry (level A)

Time: Friday August 11, 13:00 - 13:30 EDT (17:00 - 17:30 UTC)

You'll be getting a chance to meet librarians, Wikipedians, publishers and other community leaders. You'll also learn how to get involved in your community, how to collaborate and how to take upon projects and create an impact.

If you won't be able to join us in-person, we'll also be taking your questions from the Wikipedia + Libraries Etherpad and the Wikipedia + Libraries Facebook group. Please ask your question in the above forums and we'll try our best to bring them into the discussion.

For more information on the event, please refer to the submission page. Thanks--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Wiley Online Library access[edit]

Hi! Another reference request. I can't access this article. It's available on the Wiley Online Library. It's for Jana585. Here's the link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1651-2227.1954.tb04000.x/abstract. Any help is appreciated! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2017 (UTC)