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User Group rename poll![edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The user group's name will be officially changed and announcement be made soon --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 12:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

This user group's name, The Wikipedia Library User Group, was chosen initially by the TWL team primarily as a placeholder due to low participation in discussions at that time. Based on early discussions among the user group's founding members, we've decided to open a poll about renaming the group. What should we call ourselves? How do we want others to identify us?

Things to consider:

  • Independence from the WMF's Wikipedia Library program
  • Global inclusiveness and recognizability
  • Wikipedia or Wikimedia
  • Wikimedia and Libraries, or Wikimedians and Librarians

Below are the names that have been suggested. Please add a 'support' vote for each option that you would be happy with (you can vote for more than one), and you are welcome to add your own suggestions. Voting will remain open for an entire two weeks.

To voice your support for a particular name, click "edit" (where you'd like to add support) and add "# {{Support}} ~~~~" at the bottom of the section. If you'd like to add a comment after your signature (~~~~), you can explain why you prefer one name above the others.

Thank you! --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 02:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

This poll will end on 28th of October

1) BiblioWiki[edit]

  1. Support Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

2) Bibliowiki: The Wikimedia and Libraries User Group[edit]

  1. Support Support Merrilee (talk) 20:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support --Susanna Giaccai (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support I'm divided between this title and the option with out "Bibliowiki" Wikimedia and Libraries User Group. Shameran81 (talk) 15:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Bibliowiki is catchy! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Support Sodapopinski7 (talk) 14:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support--African Hope (talk) 12:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

3) Bibliowiki: The Wikipedia Library User Group[edit]

  1. Support Support Gamaliel (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

4) Wikimedia and Libraries User Group[edit]

  1. Support Support Shani Evenstein. 18:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Jessamyn (talk) 01:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support Dan scott (talk) 03:17, 17 October 2017 (UTC) because "Wikimedia" includes Wikidata, Commons, and many other relevant projects beyond Wikipedia
  4. +1. This is the name of a group I could be interested in joining, unlike anything that contain "Wikipedia". --Nemo 06:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Support Luigi Catalani (talk) 07:10, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support --Susanna Giaccai (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Support Support Uomovariabile (talk to me) 09:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. Support. Stryn (talk) 12:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Support Support Lirazelf (talk) 12:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  11. Support Support AllyD (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  12. Support Support Gewild (talk) 12:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  13. Support Support Jaireeodell (talk) 13:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  14. Support Support Samat (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  15. Support Support Shameran81 (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  16. Support Support MassiveEartha (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  17. Support Support Quiddity (talk) 18:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  18. Support Support -Another Believer (talk) 01:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  19. I'd say this is the second choice. — regards, Revi 09:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  20. Support Support. --Csisc (talk) 13:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  21. Support Support Jscammel (talk) 12:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
  22. Support Support Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talkmail) 09:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  23. Support Support Gaurav (talk) 19:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  24. Support Support Aubrey (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  25. Support Support Geraki TL 06:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  26. Support Support Ofek Jerassi - talk 17:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  27. Support Support Tramullas (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  28. Support Support Mardetanha talk 19:20, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  29. Support Support -Hasivetalk • 19:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  30. Support.—Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 19:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  31. Support Support Jason.nlw (talk) 07:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

5) Wikimedians and Librarians User Group[edit]

6) Wikipedia + Libraries User Group[edit]

  1. Support Support Shani Evenstein. 18:11, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Mylee Joseph. 18:11, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support JacintaJS (talk) 00:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 00:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Support Ouvrard (talk) 9:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support -Another Believer (talk) 01:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Support Support Gamaliel (talk) 17:05, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. Support Support Clifford Anderson (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Support Support Geraki TL 06:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  11. Support Support -Hasivetalk • 19:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

7) The Wikipedia Library User Group (existing name)[edit]

  1. Support Support Mardetanha talk 13:56, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support --Xabier Cañas (talk) 05:31, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support Uberlibris (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

8) WikiLib User Group[edit]

  1. Support Support Mardetanha talk 13:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Gharouni 07:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. "# Support Support Wshyam (talk) 19:24, 31 October 2017 (UTC)" This combines Wikipedia and Library and is short and sweet.

9) Wikimedia + Libraries User Group[edit]

  1. Support Support Proposer. Amqui (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Dan scott (talk) 03:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC) because "Wikimedia" includes Wikidata, Commons, and many other relevant projects beyond Wikipedia; I also like the "+" because it implies math, as in the sum of the two parts results in something greater
  3. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support Uomovariabile (talk to me) 09:28, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Thepwnco (talk) 11:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Deloebrenti (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support Lirazelf (talk) 12:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Support Support AllyD (talk) 12:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. Support Support Ouvrard (talk) 9:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Support Support --Mohammed Bachounda (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC) seems and sound good aka Wiki LUG en:Lugh :)
  11. Support Support MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  12. Support Support -Another Believer (talk) 01:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  13. Support Support -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 01:19, 18 October 2017 (UTC) — I would be fine with a "&" instead of the "+" as well
  14. I like this most. — regards, Revi 09:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  15. Support Support Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  16. Support Support Artchivist1 (talk) 16:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  17. Support Support This is a Wikimedia-affiliated user group. The name should indicate such. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  18. Support Support, though I'd prefer not having "user group" in the name. ~ Rob13Talk 15:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
    Having "user group" in the name is pretty much a requirement of the Affiliates Committee. Amqui (talk) 20:25, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  19. Support Support Geraki TL 06:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  20. Support Support 2001:56A:7425:C400:974:7702:2FCC:63C0 14:52, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  21. Support Support -Hasivetalk • 19:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

10) Wiki Loves Libraries[edit]

  1. Support Support --Cameron11598 (talk) 04:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support --Mohamed Ouda (talk) 06:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Comment This might get confused with the Wikipedia Loves Libraries campaign, which I believe is planned to be run again. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

11) WikiLibrary[edit]

I favor this name or any name with these characteristics -

  • No use of the term "user group". There are a few hundred Wikimedia insiders who understand the term "user group" but outside the wiki community, no one knows what this means nor is it easy to explain. "User group" is not a standard English term so it confuses English speakers and international audiences.
  • No use of the terms "Wikipedia" or "Wikimedia". The WMF gets more involved in groups which use these terms. If this group wants to take up wiki community issues outside the scope of the WMF, then using a name which does not require WMF-brand compliance is better. Some activities which this group might wish to do which could conflict with WMF include stronger partnerships with the Internet Archive, Creative Commons, or other allied organization (equal to the partnership with WMF) or speaking up on political issues which are beyond what WMF does like addressing library censorship, lobbying for open access, or advocating for privacy for library service users.
  • The name should include the term "wiki", which is broadly recognized and does not carry the obligations of using the terms "Wikimedia" or "Wikipedia"
  • The name should be simple and convey a meaning
  • I would prefer that from the beginning, the group not have different official names and nicknames. With many of the suggestions there, the official name is a phrase. Any choice of a phrase will from the beginning be converted to a nickname. I would prefer that the short nickname just be the official name. No one will speak or type phrases consistently.
  1. Support Support Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support--Jamie Tubers (talk) 02:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support--Suricatem 17:44, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support African Hope (talk) 12:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support.—Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 19:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

11) <Your suggested name here>[edit]


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Endorsing the Wikimedia 2030 Strategic Direction?[edit]

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Endorse the strategy as a group --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello everyone! We'd like to inform you about the Wikimedia 2030 Strategic Direction. If you haven't already heard about that, it is a deep look into our future as a community, where do we see ourselves in the next 15 years, what do we want and what changes should we make?

Today is Endorsement day for the strategy, and we would like to know whether we should as a usergroup, endorse this direction or not. Endorsement doesn't mean 100% agreement but support for continuing the process with this document as a foundation. Please post your thoughts and we'll close the discussion in 7 days.

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (4th 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Should Endorse[edit]

  1. Mardetanha talk 19:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 20:00, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Gharouni 23:40, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talkmail) 00:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Pru.mitchell (talk)
  6. Lirazelf (talk) 11:16, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. --Cameron11598 (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Clifford Anderson (talk) 17:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. -Hasivetalk • 19:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 19:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  11. --JacintaJS (talk) 01:55, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Should Not Endorse[edit]

Discussion[edit]

  • What parts (or what general point beyond specific parts) do you think is relevant to this user group? An endorsement from some group carries more weight if there's a connection to the specific contribution the group can make to the discussion. --Nemo 18:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
    • @Nemo bis: thanks for bringing that up. I think the strategic direction is quite generic and we can choose to implement them in whatever way that would suit us. "We will break down the social, political, and technical barriers preventing people from accessing and contributing to free knowledge." Of all the things mentioned, I think this fits us the best. Us endorsing the strategy just means we are committed to open knowledge and we are eager to know and participate in what is in store for us. But that doesn't necessarily mean we will have to implement and follow the steps that comes out of phase 2, as stated here. Thanks--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
      • I feel endorsing it or not doesn't mean much either way from what you are saying. Amqui (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
        • Umm, could be. There are no obligations, we just support the strategy. Thanks --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 06:15, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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Librarians meeting with "real" Wikipedians[edit]

In the YouTube recording "Wikipedia Library User Group meetup #2", someone (my apologies I don't recall the name) said that many librarians had never met a "real Wikipedian" and what might be done about it? As a "real Wikipedian" (but not librarian), there are some real barriers to attending events like library conferences, such as the cost (for travel, accommodation, registration, etc) and in getting the time off from other real-life roles (job, child/elder care, etc). It's a pretty big ask for volunteer Wikipedians, so I think we need to find other ways to make it happen. Kerry Raymond (talk) 07:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Kerry Raymond:One of the best ways I would think to get dialogue between librarians and "real Wikipedians" is to get more librarians to admit that they're Wikipedians - or get them to become Wikipedians. The outreach at conferences, etc., can then be more organic. However, I was at one American Library Asssociation Annual Conference one time a few years ago, and there was a Wikipedia table in the vendor area. I can't remember what specific aspect of Wikipedia - or if it was the Wikimedia Foundation - but they were there with stickers, info, etc. I think it may have been back in 2011. I strongly feel that more librarians need to be Wikipedians to be able to better explain to their patrons how the resource works, and outreach would be a natural outcome of this.

Mentorships/buddies[edit]

Again in the YouTube video "Wikipedia Library User Group meetup #2" there was discussion about mentorships/buddies. While I realise that there might be issues of scale, I see no reason not to give it a go. I'd encourage use of email (being familiar to the new person ) plus it is much easier to share screenshots in email than via Talk. I'm willing to be a mentor/buddy. But I would suggest trying to assign mentors/buddies by topic area (to the extent possible), as generally it is easier to advise on notability and conventions in one's own topic area. I would be no help to someone wanting to write about baseball. Kerry Raymond (talk) 11:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Updates on the user group election and #1lib1ref[edit]

Hi everyone, two quick but important updates:

Timeline for nominations and voting[edit]

  • Nominations are extended until 12 January 2018.
  • Candidates will be lightly vetted by the Founding Members (excluding those who are candidates) to help form a well-functioning committee.
  • Vetting will happen from the 13th up to 21 January 2018.
  • Voting will begin on the 22nd of January and end on the 4th of February.
  • To be able to vote, editors must have joined the usergroup before the 21st of January.
  • Results will be announced on or before the 10th of February.

How you can support #1lib1ref[edit]