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Initial discussions

What should this group be called? Wikipedia Library User Group, or something else?

  • WeWikiNLib User Group just a thought. Sumita Roy Dutta (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Wikimedia Library User Group --- let's not forget the sister projects! Amqui (talk) 04:10, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
    +1 for Amqui's suggestions. — regards, Revi 12:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
  • A small group of us were discussing this at WMCON17, and we liked both 'Wikipedia + Libraries' and 'Wikibrarians+' We envision this Usergroup not as a group of librarians that work with the Wikipedia Library (although we hope everyone does!), but as a means for librarians and library staff working with Wikipedia to connect with each other. 'Wikipedia + Libraries' gets at this. 'Wikibrarians+' is nice in that it doesn't mark librarians as separate from Wikipedians or vice versa. Megs (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
    Megs, why always Wikipedia ? I have personally used local librairies holdings to contribute to Wikivoyage and they can be useful to so many other Wikimedia projects, why exclude them by using Wikipedia instead of Wikimedia, I do not understand? And if we include archives as some suggest below and not only traditional librairies, then here our biggest partnership is Wikisource and it's very successful. You do not want to exclude librarians from being also Wikipedians, but why not wanting librarians to not be excluded from being also Wikimedians? Amqui (talk) 13:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
@Amqui: I certainly don't want to exclude sister projects. My focus here is on choosing a name that doesn't so directly map to the Wikipedia Library. I view them as separate, but mutually supportive projects. The 'Wikibrarians' and 'Wikibrarians+' suggestions are project agnostic. Megs (talk) 20:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@Megs: Thanks :-) I can see the name "Wikibrarians" hard to translate in many languages though. Unless this group is English-specific, I think this is an aspect we should consider. For example, we already have a working local "Wikipedia Library" on the French Wikipedia with resources in French, and I hope more are to come in many languages. Amqui (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@Amqui: That's a good point! It'd be great to get more suggestions from the group. Megs (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

What do you think of the logo? Should it include the owl? Do you have an alternative proposal?

  • I propose a mashup of the Wikipedia owl and the "GIVE A HOOT READ A BOOK" poster from the Simpsons. Allanaaaaaaa (talk) 19:22, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Heh, an amusing thought. :) Personally, I like the logo as it stands -- it's attractive and uncluttered, although if I have a concern, it's just a question of how clear it will be at smaller sizes. But assuming folks who are smarter about graphics than I am expect that it will be fine, I certainly like the look of it. Jwrosenzweig (talk) 20:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • What about a logo that Wikifies an image like this? I'd love to see something that focuses on people.Megs (talk) 17:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • I would prefer a logo that doesn't have the owl as I think that speaks well to public libraries but not academic, archive, etc. I would like the logo to look similar to the wiki logos but represent the diversity of the group. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎
  • In the Italian culture, the owl is a decidedly negative figure since the dawn of time; ancient Romans thought it could bring death, today it is used to label people who always can at least foresee misfortune and catastrophes. Additionally, very recently it was the subject of a political controversy, so "owls" could also be a political unofficial faction. I personally like it and I think I'm immune to superstition, yet presenting the project in Italy I still would feel a bit more comfortable without it... :-) --g (talk) 20:19, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Is there anything you'd like to add or change about the main page?

  • Many thanks to everyone who created the main page! I think it'd be helpful to have a discussion about the mission of the usergroup. Is it for Wikipedians, librarians, and wikibrarians to extend the work of the Wikipedia Library? Or for Wikipedians to connect with libraries and librarians? Or to connect and support the very active community of wikibrarians? Or all of these things? I don't think the current mission excludes any of these approaches, but I'd like to parse this out. Megs (talk) 18:00, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
  • I personally would be interested in adding details about the advocacy and accessibility elements to this group. Adding citations, etc. progress information access and free knowledge sharing. I think there is a connection to open education here as well. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎

How should the group be organized and organize?

Who should be part of this group? What role would you like to play?

This came up in conversation among a few of us at ACRL, so I thought I'd add it here -- can we position this group to include all the letters in the GLAM world, or is it intended just to be for libraries/librarians as narrowly defined? My work with Wikipedia in a library context has almost always involved (fruitful) collaboration with archives and archivists, and I think including them (and galleries and museums) would be advantageous. Does that make sense to others? (If so, it would certainly impact naming.) Jwrosenzweig (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

There has been an incidental historical distance between Galleries and Museum work, and Libraries. Archives have fell inbetween. There are plans for a separate GLAM group, which would focus on the typical work of bulk image donations and WikiData representation of objects. The lines are not strict--of course there are special libraries with their own collections, rare books and manuscripts, and archives within libraries. The reason this is a libraries group specifically is twofold: 1) In GLAM's history libraries have often been given less attention, used as spaces for editathons but not as outreach targets in themselves (of course there are notable exceptions, but it's the trend). Secondly, librarians as a profession are experts in a different way than museumists. Librarians are reference experts and ideally situated to both contribute content, help others research content, and teach others to contribute themselves. Librarian training happens typically in separate degree programs with their own curricula and there is a bond among librarians that is quite tight. We are not 'removing' libraries from GLAM, merely giving a spotlight to the librarians within GLAM. That's my thinking and so far it seems to make sense to others. As you can see we already have over 100! people signed up who want to work on Wikipedia + Libraries specifically. I think that's a good sign that this is a potent niche that deserves its own focus. Cheers, Jake Ocaasi (WMF) (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
+1 to Jake's comments. Megs (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree it can and should be an inclusive group. I have to admit I had to look up the acronym GLAM though! (Galleries, libraries, archives, and museums, for others who don't know.) I wonder if it is best to represent that inclusion in the name or if it can be covered in the description of the group. Brookfre (talk) 19:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I think inclusion is important here and agree with the discussion above. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎

I think this group's core focus would be on libraries. Not that the GLAM enthusiasts would not be welcome to participate here, but as Jake said, libraries have historically operated differently from galleries and museums. TWL has never been closer to libraries than it is now. TWL always has precisely focused on libraries, since the goal of TWL and libraries are closely aligned. To improve the relationship amongst Wikipedians and librarians, TWL has been constantly pursuing new initiatives, some of which we think the Wikimedia + Libraries community should be leading instead. One instance of the many initiatives is the #1lib1ref campaign which encourages librarians all over the world to add one reference to an article. This absolutely does not mean the "GAM" part of "GLAM" doesn't mean anything to TWL; galleries, museums and archives are just as important for making knowledge available to all. Another fact that impedes us from intervening in "GAM" is that there already is a dedicated program "GLAM" that looks after just that, but with a much bigger scope. And GLAM already has initiated the process of creating a GLAM user group. Two groups with the same goals would be a tad redundant I believe. Also, I believe limiting the scope of the group helps us not only in not getting bogged down by too much to do, but also in planning effectively.--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

What should be the group's scope? What activities should it take part in?

  • Although Open Access Week is an obvious place for this groups activity, I would like to also consider some work around Open Education Week as the work of adding content to Wikipedia really impacts education. Think about the number of students served in a two hour reference shift versus the number of "students" served by improving or writing a Wikipedia article. I really connect my wiki activity to opening education, showcasing hidden collections through citations, and improving research practice. With that in mind, I would like us to consider Open Education Week (March) as a time for engaging in wiki events by this group. Emefie (talk) 9 April 2017‎


Thank you all for providing your input on the questions above. Although the responses weren't overwhelming from a group with 130 signups, the points made here are solid and things that we will still have to discuss. Because participation was a tad on the low side, we're going to go forward with the existing name--Wikipedia Library User Group, and the existing logo. That does not mean the discussions here are discounted. The steering committee (~20 people responsible for directing the group after approval), will start the discussions on the name and logo once formed. The group's objectives, approaches, target etc., will also be shaped by the steering committee, taking into account the points made here. We'll submit our application soon to the affiliations committee and keep you in the loop. Once again, thank you for your valuable opinions. Regards--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

User Group approved

Hello everyone! I'm glad to announce that our application has been approved and the Wikipedia Library User Group has officially been recognised by the Affiliations Committee. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has been part of this initiative, helping it conceptualise, shape and progress. The founding members will meet soon to discuss the initial setup and tasks of the user group. We have a lot of interesting and important things planned for the group, which we will let you know in the near future. In the mean time, you can share with us any interesting ideas you might have. Once again, thank you for being a part of this group! --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Kudos--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Awesome news! African Hope (talk) 15:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Great , hope to star the work soon . --Mohamed Ouda (talk) 18:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • congratulations for us , this is a good news and i'm disposed to giving help to the UG :) --Mohammed Bachounda (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! Good news. -Hasivetalk • 08:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Congrats Sumita Roy Dutta (talk) 10:06, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Suggestions for new resources

All Africa

Are there any librarians in this group that have full-text access to All Africa? Thanks! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: We have All Africa, what do you need from it? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
@Rachel Helps (BYU): I need access to this article for another editor, Alanna the Brave who is writing about Kimberly Anyadike on English Wikipedia. I'm so glad someone has access! I rarely need it, but when I do, it's so frustrating. >:) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
@Megalibrarygirl: We have a book called All Africa but it's not the same as the database you mentioned. We have a really good inter-library loan team though, and I put in a request for the article. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
@Rachel Helps (BYU): Thank you so much! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia and Library related events at Wikimania 2017

Wikimania 2017 in Montreal is going to be a great event for libraries and Wikipedia! We put together a list of events that are Wikipedia and library related for your convenience and scheduling help. So, here it is!

The main gathering, where everyone will attend, is:

Birds of a Feather Meetup: Wikipedia + Libraries meetup on August 11th, 13:00 to 14:00 in Joyce/Jarry (level A) There will be a buffet lunch set up outside starting at 12:30 - get your lunch and then gather in Joyce/Jarry.

If you're in town early, there is a scan-a-thon at the National archives, and various other training and editing activities on Wednesday.

Name of the Event Time Venue
Friday, August 11th
Wikipédia, les bibliothèques publiques et Montréal (head of the Montreal Public Library, translation provided 11:00 - 11:30 Ballroom West (level 4)
Creating a local digital community. Prototyping a collaborative workshop in libraries / Création d'une communauté numérique locale. Prototypage d'un atelier contributif en bibliothèque translation provided 11:30 - 12:00 Ballroom West (level 4)
Centering Knowledge From The Margins 11:30 - 12:30 Drummond West (level 3)
Birds of a feather meetups: Wikipedia + Libraries meetup 13:00 - 14:00 Joyce/Jarry (level A)
The Internet Archive and Wikimedia - Common Knowledge Goals 14:00 - 15:00 Drummond Center (level 3)
Growing a User Group, a roadmap for survival 16:00 - 17:00 Drummond Center (level 3)
Saturday, August 12th
Interview with Alexandra Elbakyan, founder of SciHub 11:00-12:00 Ballroom West (level 4)
Structured Commons: what changes are coming? 11:30 - 12:00 Drummond Center (level 3)
Wikipedia Visiting Scholars 11:45 - 12:30 Salon 5 (level 2)
Wikicite: Citations needed for the sum of all human knowledge 14:00-14:30 Drummond West (level 3)
Journals Cited by Wikipedia: Evaluating the Impact of Journals on Wikipedia 14:30 - 15:00 Drummond West (level 3)
Is Wikipedia ready for videos? 16:00 - 16:30 Drummond East (level 3)
Dana Wager - FactsCan, political fact checking 16:00 - 17:00 Ballroom West (level 4)
State of Video in the Wikimedia Movement 16:30 - 17:00 Drummond East (level 3)
Sunday, August 13th
Frédéric Giuliano & Hélène Laverdure, Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec: Libraries, Archives and sharing knowledge 09:00-10:30 Ballroom West + Center
Brick by Brick: Libraries and Wikimedia building on each other 11:00 - 11:30 Ballroom Center (level 4)
Libraries and Wikipedia: Global perspectives and opportunities 11:30 - 12:30 Ballroom Center (level 4)

You can find the list of all programmes on the Wikimania programmes page. Hope to see many of you there!

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia + Libraries Meetup

Hi everyone! A gentle reminder on the Birds of a feather discussion: Wikipedia + Libraries Meetup that will happen in Wikimania 2017 on Friday, August 11.

If you are coming in-person, come join us in the venue at the time given below!

Venue: Joyce/Jarry (level A)

Time: Friday August 11, 13:00 - 13:30 EDT (17:00 - 17:30 UTC)

You'll be getting a chance to meet librarians, Wikipedians, publishers and other community leaders. You'll also learn how to get involved in your community, how to collaborate and how to take upon projects and create an impact.

If you won't be able to join us in-person, we'll also be taking your questions from the Wikipedia + Libraries Etherpad and the Wikipedia + Libraries Facebook group. Please ask your question in the above forums and we'll try our best to bring them into the discussion.

For more information on the event, please refer to the submission page. Thanks--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Wiley Online Library access

Hi! Another reference request. I can't access this article. It's available on the Wiley Online Library. It's for Jana585. Here's the link: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1651-2227.1954.tb04000.x/abstract. Any help is appreciated! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library User Group meetup

Hi everyone! The founding members are organizing an open user group meeting (using GoogleHangouts On Air) tomorrow to discuss:

  • The user group members
  • User group activities happening so far
  • The user group name and possible name change
  • Governance structure
  • Steering committee nominations and selection

For the convenience of the user group members who are from different parts of the world, the meeting is being held in two different times. The times and the YouTube links are:

Tuesday September 26th 14:00 UTC, which is 7 am Pacific / 10 am Eastern /  3 pm London / 5 pm Tel Aviv/ midnight Syndey (on Wednesday)

Link to the first meeting

AND

Tuesday September 26th 22:00 UTC, which is 3 pm Pacific / 6 pm Eastern / 11 pm London / 1 am Tel Aviv (Wednesday) / 8 am Sydney (Wednesday)

Link to the second meeting

You can use this Etherpad or the YouTube video comments section to post your comments and views on topics.

Please join us in making some key decisions to shape the user group! Thank you--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:16, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (4th 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 18:16, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@AVasanth (WMF): I would suggest next time, send a google calendar invite to the potential participants list. The world timezone is very difficult to cope with, and I personally think to google calendar help to deal with timezone confusion nicely. --Liang(WMTW) (talk) 11:39, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
@Shangkuanlc: Thanks for the suggestion Shang. The problem with that though is we don't collect the emails of user group members. Perhaps we could send a mass message with a link to a timezone converter (such as this). Open to suggestions :) Thanks--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 14:18, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

User Group rename poll!

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The user group's name will be officially changed and announcement be made soon --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 12:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

This user group's name, The Wikipedia Library User Group, was chosen initially by the TWL team primarily as a placeholder due to low participation in discussions at that time. Based on early discussions among the user group's founding members, we've decided to open a poll about renaming the group. What should we call ourselves? How do we want others to identify us?

Things to consider:

  • Independence from the WMF's Wikipedia Library program
  • Global inclusiveness and recognizability
  • Wikipedia or Wikimedia
  • Wikimedia and Libraries, or Wikimedians and Librarians

Below are the names that have been suggested. Please add a 'support' vote for each option that you would be happy with (you can vote for more than one), and you are welcome to add your own suggestions. Voting will remain open for an entire two weeks.

To voice your support for a particular name, click "edit" (where you'd like to add support) and add "# {{Support}} ~~~~" at the bottom of the section. If you'd like to add a comment after your signature (~~~~), you can explain why you prefer one name above the others.

Thank you! --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 02:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

This poll will end on 28th of October

1) BiblioWiki

  1. Support Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

2) Bibliowiki: The Wikimedia and Libraries User Group

  1. Support Support Merrilee (talk) 20:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support --Susanna Giaccai (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support I'm divided between this title and the option with out "Bibliowiki" Wikimedia and Libraries User Group. Shameran81 (talk) 15:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Bibliowiki is catchy! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Support Sodapopinski7 (talk) 14:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support--African Hope (talk) 12:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

3) Bibliowiki: The Wikipedia Library User Group

  1. Support Support Gamaliel (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

4) Wikimedia and Libraries User Group

  1. Support Support Shani Evenstein. 18:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Jessamyn (talk) 01:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support Dan scott (talk) 03:17, 17 October 2017 (UTC) because "Wikimedia" includes Wikidata, Commons, and many other relevant projects beyond Wikipedia
  4. +1. This is the name of a group I could be interested in joining, unlike anything that contain "Wikipedia". --Nemo 06:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Support Luigi Catalani (talk) 07:10, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support --Susanna Giaccai (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Support Support Uomovariabile (talk to me) 09:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. Support. Stryn (talk) 12:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Support Support Lirazelf (talk) 12:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  11. Support Support AllyD (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  12. Support Support Gewild (talk) 12:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  13. Support Support Jaireeodell (talk) 13:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  14. Support Support Samat (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  15. Support Support Shameran81 (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  16. Support Support MassiveEartha (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  17. Support Support Quiddity (talk) 18:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  18. Support Support -Another Believer (talk) 01:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  19. I'd say this is the second choice. — regards, Revi 09:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  20. Support Support. --Csisc (talk) 13:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  21. Support Support Jscammel (talk) 12:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
  22. Support Support Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talkmail) 09:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  23. Support Support Gaurav (talk) 19:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  24. Support Support Aubrey (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  25. Support Support Geraki TL 06:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  26. Support Support Ofek Jerassi - talk 17:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  27. Support Support Tramullas (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  28. Support Support Mardetanha talk 19:20, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  29. Support Support -Hasivetalk • 19:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  30. Support.—Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 19:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  31. Support Support Jason.nlw (talk) 07:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

5) Wikimedians and Librarians User Group

6) Wikipedia + Libraries User Group

  1. Support Support Shani Evenstein. 18:11, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Mylee Joseph. 18:11, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support JacintaJS (talk) 00:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 00:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Support Ouvrard (talk) 9:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support -Another Believer (talk) 01:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Support Support Gamaliel (talk) 17:05, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. Support Support Clifford Anderson (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Support Support Geraki TL 06:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  11. Support Support -Hasivetalk • 19:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

7) The Wikipedia Library User Group (existing name)

  1. Support Support Mardetanha talk 13:56, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support --Xabier Cañas (talk) 05:31, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support Uberlibris (talk) 06:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

8) WikiLib User Group

  1. Support Support Mardetanha talk 13:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Gharouni 07:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. "# Support Support Wshyam (talk) 19:24, 31 October 2017 (UTC)" This combines Wikipedia and Library and is short and sweet.

9) Wikimedia + Libraries User Group

  1. Support Support Proposer. Amqui (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support Dan scott (talk) 03:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC) because "Wikimedia" includes Wikidata, Commons, and many other relevant projects beyond Wikipedia; I also like the "+" because it implies math, as in the sum of the two parts results in something greater
  3. Support Support Liang(WMTW) (talk) 06:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support Uomovariabile (talk to me) 09:28, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Support Thepwnco (talk) 11:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support Deloebrenti (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support Support Lirazelf (talk) 12:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Support Support AllyD (talk) 12:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. Support Support Ouvrard (talk) 9:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Support Support --Mohammed Bachounda (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC) seems and sound good aka Wiki LUG en:Lugh :)
  11. Support Support MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  12. Support Support -Another Believer (talk) 01:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  13. Support Support -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 01:19, 18 October 2017 (UTC) — I would be fine with a "&" instead of the "+" as well
  14. I like this most. — regards, Revi 09:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  15. Support Support Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  16. Support Support Artchivist1 (talk) 16:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  17. Support Support This is a Wikimedia-affiliated user group. The name should indicate such. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  18. Support Support, though I'd prefer not having "user group" in the name. ~ Rob13Talk 15:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
    Having "user group" in the name is pretty much a requirement of the Affiliates Committee. Amqui (talk) 20:25, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  19. Support Support Geraki TL 06:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  20. Support Support 2001:56A:7425:C400:974:7702:2FCC:63C0 14:52, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  21. Support Support -Hasivetalk • 19:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

10) Wiki Loves Libraries

  1. Support Support --Cameron11598 (talk) 04:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support --Mohamed Ouda (talk) 06:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Comment This might get confused with the Wikipedia Loves Libraries campaign, which I believe is planned to be run again. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

11) WikiLibrary

I favor this name or any name with these characteristics -

  • No use of the term "user group". There are a few hundred Wikimedia insiders who understand the term "user group" but outside the wiki community, no one knows what this means nor is it easy to explain. "User group" is not a standard English term so it confuses English speakers and international audiences.
  • No use of the terms "Wikipedia" or "Wikimedia". The WMF gets more involved in groups which use these terms. If this group wants to take up wiki community issues outside the scope of the WMF, then using a name which does not require WMF-brand compliance is better. Some activities which this group might wish to do which could conflict with WMF include stronger partnerships with the Internet Archive, Creative Commons, or other allied organization (equal to the partnership with WMF) or speaking up on political issues which are beyond what WMF does like addressing library censorship, lobbying for open access, or advocating for privacy for library service users.
  • The name should include the term "wiki", which is broadly recognized and does not carry the obligations of using the terms "Wikimedia" or "Wikipedia"
  • The name should be simple and convey a meaning
  • I would prefer that from the beginning, the group not have different official names and nicknames. With many of the suggestions there, the official name is a phrase. Any choice of a phrase will from the beginning be converted to a nickname. I would prefer that the short nickname just be the official name. No one will speak or type phrases consistently.
  1. Support Support Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support Support--Jamie Tubers (talk) 02:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support Support--Suricatem 17:44, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support Support African Hope (talk) 12:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support.—Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 19:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

11) <Your suggested name here>


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Endorsing the Wikimedia 2030 Strategic Direction?

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Endorse the strategy as a group --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello everyone! We'd like to inform you about the Wikimedia 2030 Strategic Direction. If you haven't already heard about that, it is a deep look into our future as a community, where do we see ourselves in the next 15 years, what do we want and what changes should we make?

Today is Endorsement day for the strategy, and we would like to know whether we should as a usergroup, endorse this direction or not. Endorsement doesn't mean 100% agreement but support for continuing the process with this document as a foundation. Please post your thoughts and we'll close the discussion in 7 days.

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@User group members (4th 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Should Endorse

  1. Mardetanha talk 19:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 20:00, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Gharouni 23:40, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  4. --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talkmail) 00:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Pru.mitchell (talk)
  6. Lirazelf (talk) 11:16, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. --Cameron11598 (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Clifford Anderson (talk) 17:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  9. -Hasivetalk • 19:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  10. Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 19:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
  11. --JacintaJS (talk) 01:55, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Should Not Endorse

Discussion

  • What parts (or what general point beyond specific parts) do you think is relevant to this user group? An endorsement from some group carries more weight if there's a connection to the specific contribution the group can make to the discussion. --Nemo 18:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
    • @Nemo bis: thanks for bringing that up. I think the strategic direction is quite generic and we can choose to implement them in whatever way that would suit us. "We will break down the social, political, and technical barriers preventing people from accessing and contributing to free knowledge." Of all the things mentioned, I think this fits us the best. Us endorsing the strategy just means we are committed to open knowledge and we are eager to know and participate in what is in store for us. But that doesn't necessarily mean we will have to implement and follow the steps that comes out of phase 2, as stated here. Thanks--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
      • I feel endorsing it or not doesn't mean much either way from what you are saying. Amqui (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
        • Umm, could be. There are no obligations, we just support the strategy. Thanks --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 06:15, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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Librarians meeting with "real" Wikipedians

In the YouTube recording "Wikipedia Library User Group meetup #2", someone (my apologies I don't recall the name) said that many librarians had never met a "real Wikipedian" and what might be done about it? As a "real Wikipedian" (but not librarian), there are some real barriers to attending events like library conferences, such as the cost (for travel, accommodation, registration, etc) and in getting the time off from other real-life roles (job, child/elder care, etc). It's a pretty big ask for volunteer Wikipedians, so I think we need to find other ways to make it happen. Kerry Raymond (talk) 07:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Kerry Raymond:One of the best ways I would think to get dialogue between librarians and "real Wikipedians" is to get more librarians to admit that they're Wikipedians - or get them to become Wikipedians. The outreach at conferences, etc., can then be more organic. However, I was at one American Library Asssociation Annual Conference one time a few years ago, and there was a Wikipedia table in the vendor area. I can't remember what specific aspect of Wikipedia - or if it was the Wikimedia Foundation - but they were there with stickers, info, etc. I think it may have been back in 2011. I strongly feel that more librarians need to be Wikipedians to be able to better explain to their patrons how the resource works, and outreach would be a natural outcome of this.

Mentorships/buddies

Again in the YouTube video "Wikipedia Library User Group meetup #2" there was discussion about mentorships/buddies. While I realise that there might be issues of scale, I see no reason not to give it a go. I'd encourage use of email (being familiar to the new person ) plus it is much easier to share screenshots in email than via Talk. I'm willing to be a mentor/buddy. But I would suggest trying to assign mentors/buddies by topic area (to the extent possible), as generally it is easier to advise on notability and conventions in one's own topic area. I would be no help to someone wanting to write about baseball. Kerry Raymond (talk) 11:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Updates on the user group election and #1lib1ref

Hi everyone, two quick but important updates:

Timeline for nominations and voting

  • Nominations are extended until 12 January 2018.
  • Candidates will be lightly vetted by the Founding Members (excluding those who are candidates) to help form a well-functioning committee.
  • Vetting will happen from the 13th up to 21 January 2018.
  • Voting will begin on the 22nd of January and end on the 4th of February.
  • To be able to vote, editors must have joined the usergroup before the 21st of January.
  • Results will be announced on or before the 10th of February.

How you can support #1lib1ref

Inviting you to participate in the women editing contest "The women you have never met"

Dear Wikipedia Library User Group!

Hope this message finds you all well :) On behalf of Iberocoop network I want to invite you to be part of the women editing contest we are organizing along with many other chapters and user groups in the movement. You are doing an excellent work on your local context and we will be so pleased to have you on board. In this very early stage, we are asking the organizations to add their interest in the following meta page Hope to see you there soon! Hugs----Anna Torres (WMAR) --Anna Torres (WMAR) (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikimedia and Libraries User Group Steering Committee Election Results

The steering committee election for the Wikimedia and Libraries User Group is over and the results are here! We had many great candidates with awesome skillsets and experience, unfortunately not everyone could make it to the final eight. We are grateful to all the candidates for stepping up and boldly throwing their hat in the ring. It was a difficult choice and they made it. The candidates who made it to the final eight are,

On behalf of the founding members, the TWL team and the user group members, we congratulate the candidates on their successful run and welcome them to the committee. The steering committee and the founding members will soon meet to discuss the handover and next steps of the user group. Thank you--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 17:59, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

March 12 (and 1st) meeting minutes of the steering committee

March 12-13, 2018

Intro

For the first meeting of the new steering committee, we started by going over the history of the user group, and the role of the WMF (to assist not lead or vote). An official handoff from was made from the user group founders to the newly elected, independent steering committee. Everyone introduced themselves, shared their Wikipedia/Library backgrounds and what they’d like to do and see in the user group.

Brainstorm: "What do we want to accomplish?"

  1. Roll out the Wikipedia + Libraries OCLC-style course on a global scale, not necessarily as one big event, but as multiple events in different regions/timezones (in 3 modules: reading and usage, editing, programming)
  2. Move towards Wikipedia work being Business As Usual in libraries
  3. Build the international community of Wikipedian librarians as a social professional and activist network, not just a reference resource
  4. Educate librarians that Wikipedia is a community first, a research resource second
  5. Educate librarians about how Wikipedia fits in with their profession, tenure and promotion requirements, open access movement, codes of ethics, etc
  6. Make use of social media channels to help each other out during edit-a-thons, to exchange expertise and resources
  7. Improve Wikipedia outreach and remote participation to rural libraries
  8. Promote what Wikipedia Library actually provides to researchers and libraries--a lot of librarians don’t know that this exists.
  9. Relieve anxiety about 'doing Wikipedia wrong' and get people excited to join
  10. Present at library conferences and events
  11. Explain "The Wikipedia Library" and how can it help those who already have resource access
  12. Deepen understanding of how to engage with Global South libraries and librarians
  13. Disseminate information about library news and trends happening on an international level
  14. Highlight local, regional benefits from participating in Wikimedia
  15. Showing library institutions how to build Wikipedia into their workflows and even their marketing (reference desk, skills & promotions, programming)
  16. Get global access to Wikipedia Library resources with a single, unique account for all Wikimedians
  17. Develop a consensus approach for the user group strategy itself
  18. Make the usergroup a center of professional engagement, proactively coordinating outreach to library professionals and attendance at events
  19. Changing perception of Wikipedia as an enemy or a competitor, but rather as a collaborator
  20. Revive Wikipedia Loves Libraries
  21. Expand campaigns like # 1lib1ref, and get librarians more involved in other campaigns
  22. Turn # 1lib1ref from a campaign into a year-long, 24/7 branch (Or at least shift it so it isn’t in the middle of the southern hemisphere summer school holidays)

Communications

The group decided to continue using the pre-existing founding members' google group mailing list for official business. A new fully open list will be formed or selected for all user group members to participate in. The user group rename from "Wikipedia Library" to "Wikimedia and Libraries" is pending Affcom's next decision. The official user group contact at the moment is Gamaliel. The next meeting will be held in late March.

You can also check the meeting minutes page for past meetings. Thanks--AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 07:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@User group members (1st 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 16:54, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@User group members (2nd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@User group members (3rd 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@User group members (4th 50): --AVasanth (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Well explained.. -- Sumita Roy Dutta (talk) 08:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)