User talk:לובר

A decision made in the He WP Parliament

Hello,

I write to you as the moderator of the U4C.

The reason that I ceased participating the U4C talk page was this reply.
Briefly, I did not create any RFC nor U4C application. After my comment in the RFC, Neriah and נריה (the same person) called me a "troll" here, here and here. Afterwards, they requested Funcs to anchor their untrue statement. It was untrue because I created at least 11 new articles in the He WP. They also pinged EPIC with their request.

I had referred PurpleBuffalo (Buffalo) who blocked users without performing any checkuser. Some users for example were אידריס who wrote nothing in the He WP, 35 of May (May) (who was also declared as a "troll" by Nerian due to this block) and D&Dr.

Buffalo terminated the He WP bureaucrats from being checkusers. The vote was here.

Afterwards, Buffalo tried to terminate the He WP admins from being oversighters. The proposal was not accepted: 12 supports, 28 against.

Buffalo acted like a liberal editor, although they were right-wing. They went against Dorian Gray Wild (Dorian) in the talk page of Dov Ber Borochov, misleading also La Nave Partirà who wrote: "כבוד ל-תאו הארגמן שהגן על היושרה של ויקי עברית והוביל לביטול המחלוקת הראשונה של חיים". The truth was revealed when Buffalo wrote: "האם הדהוד של תיאוריות קינספירציה לפיהן דמות ציבורית מסוימת אחראית לטבח 7.10 (תוך טענה לשיתוף פעולה ישיר בין בן משפחה של אותה דמות ליחיא סינוואר) היא פרשנות מחמירה של הכללים?" as a reason for oversighting, which should be terminated from the admins.

Buffalo chased Dorian, who was quite left-wing creating the He "Dov Ber Borochov" article, and blocked at least 3 non-involved users without performing any checkuser. An evidence of chasing May, for example, was keeping a mass deletion of מלחמת הכוכבים: באד באצ' although Buffalo was a Starwars fan, and an editor wrote to the user that such a deletion was not accepted.
Today their proposal to eliminate other admins was declined, after they have already succeeded to eliminate the bureaucrats.

The best, _Louvre|Talk 18:56, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

@לובר what do you mean by "after they have already succeeded to eliminate the bureaucrats."? he:ויקיפדיה:בירוקרט doesn't indicate they've been eliminated. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Barkeep49, I related Buffalo in plural. They passed a rule that the bureaucrats would not be checkusers any longer. I linked it here. _Louvre|Talk 22:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello Barkeep49, I hope you saw my former reply, with its link concerning the He WP bureaucrats who lost any checkuser permission, as Buffalo made in the parliament.

Buffalo wrote on their page that Yitzhak Shamir attended their brit. It strengthened and validated my comment about them and the He WP articles which they were involved with. _Louvre|Talk 21:51, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

I would add that Neriah and נריה called me "troll" three times, and threatened me twice: 1, 2, when I redacted it. They also claimed that I "deleted" articles which they wrote in another project, although I did not participate there, and they did not request checking user. Another user was blocked for a week by Erez, after asking if a third user had been Dorian, but Neriah was not blocked after they harassed me at Meta and requested Funcs to declare Dorian as a troll. They wrote me as a troll on the Dorian's user page, although checking me took more than two months, based upon a troll's request (Sasson), as Barak a (Barak) wrote, and נהג published it in a Meta RFC, tagging me, which was a harassment and LTA. יונה בנדלאק (Yona), a checkuser like Barak, requested to block me on Meta due to "outing", but ignored another outing which was made in the He WP. There was no outing, because they wrote on their user page their work place, and came to the Wikimedia meetings more than once, being photographed with their name. Yona and Geagea also requested to block He WP users who applied the U4C. When Barak pointed me as a checkuser, basing it upon a troll's request as they wrote, the rest of their three fingers pointed at them. Neriah kept calling me a "troll", but kept their name on the Wiki projects like Barak.

26 days ago, Civvì requested my text would remain, but I did not see how my question it was handled.

Today Neriah declined a user request to be extended confirmed, just because the user asked it. Neriah did not examine the editings of that user, but declined the request. They saw the permission as a "prize", but claimed that it was not a prize. It goes altogether with their claim: "You are still trying to smear my name", although they did it, not me. I am not an extended confirmed user. For creating 10 excellent articles about Brigitte Bardot films, I did not need this permission. I am a qualified editor who did not deal with the severe issues of the He WP administrators, bureaucrats and checkusers. _Louvre|Talk 20:13, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

The evidence about the case should really on the case page. That way every U4C member and party can see it. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Barkeep49, you may copy, link or email it (not move) wherever you wish. _Louvre|Talk 22:10, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't think it's helpful long term for the U4C to allow someone to participate by post on a user talk. I understand you're choosing not to participate further which is a choice you can of course make, but if that's the case it's going to mean evidence you have which might be valuable for us won't get considered. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:47, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi Barkeep49, I have raised here three new issues, which were concerned with the conduct of the He WP checkusers and admins:

1. Revoking the CU rights by Buffalo from the He WP bureaucrats.
2. A failed attempt of Buffalo to revoke the oversight rights from the He WP admins.
3. A refusal of a He WP admin to grant XC rights to a user, because that user requested it, without checking if they were eligible for it.

Other issues I have already written in the U4C application.

Here I describe an incident which happened today:

Yesterday, Buffalo requested to check a troll. It was checked and was identified as the troll Sasson.

Its talk page was not deleted, and its user page was not redirected to Sasson.

My talk page was fully deleted by Barak in December 2024, although I was not declared as a troll, and my user page was redirected to Dorian's page, also by Barak. It was my user page. On the U4C talk page at 17:02 on 11 April 2025, I have stated the deletion of my talk page by Barak.

Sasson was identified today after 5:38 hours, but it took more than two months to check my user. The checking of mine was requested by a troll, and Barak wrote it.

I have written it on the U4C application, and do not find a reason to rewrite it there, after what they wrote, especially when I used the talk page, not the application itself. On the other hand, it does not justify making a new U4C application.

The conduct of the He WP bureaucrats, admins and checkusers against Dorian was just because he did an RFC, and Ajraddatz wrote it. The He WP permission holders involved me with Dorian, due to a trolling of a troll, although I wrote articles in Hebrew about the Brigitte Bardot movies. _Louvre|Talk 22:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Please post on the front page of the case. Ghilt (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to vote for Barkeep49, Civvì, Luke081515 and other U4C members who handled the He WP case, as well as a candidate from Africa (woman). I am very sorry I missed it. I even do not know if my vote would be visible or not, because it was secure. Was it visible? _Louvre|Talk 12:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

All votes are done in a way to be private. The list of voters is public but there are several measures taken to ensure that it's impossible to find out who someone voted for. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

An attack made by a troll

Hello Civvì and Barkeep49, this attack (which was intentionally written in Hebrew) was made by the troll Sasson. It always takes the most inappropriate time to post its trolling, and posted it in the midst of a war in Israel, which caused serious injuries among Israeli civilians, and was also the reason I missed the vote. Just now I got an alarm (2:33 am local time). _Louvre|Talk 23:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Undoing an edit of a He WP admin

There was an application (בקשות הגנה / הסרת הגנה) in the He WP admins' notice board, which dealt with the article Yoseph Haddad.

ניב is a He WP admin, and made an edit as an uninvolved admin, but their editing was undone by אייל, who was not an administrator.

אייל is a right-wing editor, and ניב requested to declare Dorian as a troll, without pointing any specific reason. They just stated that they did not want Dorian. The result was that I became a "troll", due to a false CU which took more than two months. _Louvre|Talk 17:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Greetings for being elected

Hello Civvì, Barkeep49, Luke081515 and BRPever, greetings for being elected to the U4C for two years! :-)

Shall I link it and it in the case of the He WP? _Louvre|Talk 09:02, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind wishes. I hope you will resume activity at the case itself because you have a lot of knowledge and evidence that we would benefit from. Thanks and best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

An appeal

Shabbat Shalom ארז האורז,

I appeal my block on the He WP, which was done on 29 December 2024 by Barak. Barak also deleted my entire talk page on the He WP, which was full of praise, and it was not accepted.

The reason for my appeal was a CU harassment which was done by a troll, which endlessly stalked and intimidated Dorian. Dorian wrote it, and Barak also wrote it: טרול קרוליס התגלה גם כן כטרול, שקשור להיסטוריית העריכות של דוריאן. גם הוא נחסם לצמיתות

A troll is not allowed to request a CU against a contributing Wikipedian.

TheStriker, a He WP CU, also wrote it on 28 October 2024, more than four days after the harassment of the troll: ממצאי הבדיקה העלו בינתיים קשר בין המשתמש כוכב קטן לבין טרול מביע עניין החסום לצמיתות. הבדיקה לא הסתיימה, והתוצאות לגבי יתר המשתמשים והכתובות יתפרסמו בהמשך

Immediately afterwards, ביקורת, who was a complete bureaucrat in the He WP, wrote: בעבר עודדתי את 'מביע עניין' לחדול ממעשיו ואמרתי לו (כפי שאני אומר תדיר לחסומים) שיוכל להירשם בשם חדש ואם לא יחזרו לסורם אף אחד לא יזהה אותם ויתברר שאכן הצליחו ליצור פרסונה אינטרנטית חדשה ונטולת אשמה

ביקורת repeated it here: and here:
אני אברך על כל מי שימצא את הדרך לחזור כעורך תורם, לא מזוהה פוליטית, לא "בצד הזה" ולא "בצד הזה". אם ויקיפדיה חשובה לכם, בואו ותכתבו אנציקלופדיה. את הפוליטיקה תשאירו לרחובות

הדבר היחיד שאפשר לדרוש הוא אי-הזדהות פוליטית/ערכית (מצדי גם במרחבי שיחה, יש מספיק פורומים כדי לדון בהם מה "לדעתי" נכון פוליטית או ערכית) ועיסוק משותף בכתיבה אנציקלופדית

Nizzan Cohen, a Wikipedian since 2009, wrote: אם משתמש חסום עושה עריכות לגיטימיות ותורמות ממשתמש חדש ואנונימי, שיהיה לו לבריאות והמיזם המשותף שלנו רק מרוויח מזה. נדמה לי שהבירוקרטים (אני כבר לא זוכר אם הנוכחיים או הקודמים) אפילו כתבו דברים ברוח זו בעבר במזנון

שמיה רבה, a Wikipedian since 2020, wrote: זה לא מוזר, אין לנו רצון או יכולת לחסום אנשים, יש לנו רצון ויכולת לחסום חשבון־משתמש אם מחשבון זה נכתבו דברים לא הולמים (my prominence, Louvre).

יונה בנדלאק, a He WP administrator since 2013 and a user since 2006, wrote: משתמש חדש שברור שהוא לא חדש אבל פועל בצורה תקינה, אין רדיפה לגלות מיהו ואם הוא באמת פתח דף חדש אז אין עם זה בעיה

ארז האורז wrote as a complete bureaucrat: מכיוון שהמטרה המרכזית של כולנו כאן היא לכתוב אנציקלופדיה איכותית, אנחנו לא דוגלים בחסימות כעונש, אלא רק כצעד מניעתי במקרה שצעד כזה נדרש

And ביקורת repeated their words: אני כתבתי כך בעבר ואשוב ואומר שוב. מי שבאמת רוצה לתרום ולא היה לו רקורד תרומה מטורף שחבל לו לאבד, יכול פשוט להירשם מחדש בשם אחר ו'מעשיו יקרבוהו ומעשיו ירחקוהו'. כשזה לא המצב, ההתעקשות לחזור בשם הקודם בדרך כלל מעידה על נצחנות לשמה

It seemed that I was blocked because I thanked the bureaucrats and the CUs. Barak saw it as "נצחנות" and deleted all my drafts about Brigitte Bardot films, although I thanked them for the possibility to move it to the mainspace after the words of ארז האורז:
"המטרה המרכזית של כולנו כאן היא לכתוב אנציקלופדיה איכותית"

As I have written on the case page, I was not Dorian. I asked Barkeep49 twice for the CU log, but got no reply. A CU which took more than two months and was based on a harassment of a troll, was not valid.

Funcs declared Dorian as a troll after a request of another admin, who continuously called me "troll" on the Meta pages. Funcs claimed that the reason was "outing". Worst outing was done against Dorian, and dozens of links were sent. Funcs claimed an off-wikimedia activity, and I asked Dorian about it. Dorian replied that U4C determined that U4C dealt only with Wikimedia projects and had no knowledge or influence on the off-Wikimedia environment. La Nave Partirà made an RFC about it and got the same reply.

Therefore declaring Dorian as a troll is not valid, and I am not a troll either. Louvre★Talk 19:08, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

I would clarify that I do not write anywhere from any i.p. nor any passing account. If I accidentally do it, I immediately request hiding it, as I have done here. This trolling was of Sasson. In the beginning Funcs was trapped, then she got the point. Louvre★Talk 02:08, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

The He WP bureaucrats have not registered my appeal on the He WP; therefore, I extended it.

On 19 August 2025, ארז האורז wrote: כל אחד שהיה נתפס בשימוש בבובת קש בצורה לא חוקית בהצבעות או בהטייה ודאית במרחב הערכים/מרחב ויקיפדיה היה נחסם, לא משנה מאיזה צד הוא

I did not participate in any vote, nor biased the mainspace.

Dorian was declared as a "troll" by Funcs due to "outing" outside of the He WP, but it was not shown anywhere.

Chen worked for the Wikimedia Israel (רכזת קהילות של ויקימדיה ישראל). Please see here.

On 17 August 2025, Chen attacked the WMF on Kikar Hair in the He WP as well as on Commons and Geektime.

For my best knowledge, Dorian did not post anything on Commons, definitely not against any He WP admin who requested to globally lock them (1, 2).

Chen was not blocked anywhere for this attack against the WMF, which included outings of the WMF itself (detailed physical address), but Funcs declared Dorian as a troll due to a non-existing "outing", and the result was also declaring me as a troll. My name appears on the Dorian user page! Louvre★Talk 02:55, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

Drop the stick

The i.p. weeped: "Why were they released?", harassing another user with an identical pattern of harassing me. If the troll (per Barak a) did not fake a CU against me, which took more than two months with an identical pattern of faking a CU against 35 of May, which has not been done, as they wrote on their appeal, I would not apply to U4C. I am not involved with the filer, did not vote nor edit mainly internal links, but wrote articles about Brigitte Bardot's films. Almost all of them were deleted, without nominating them for deletion. Louvre★Talk 21:58, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

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