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transparent links

maybe COIBot could report transparent links like this: [1].
for background see w:de:Wikipedia:Administratoren/Notizen#Website_in_Wikipedia_-_Social_Bookmark_Backlink_SEO_PR8_.2F_Einbremsen_von_Ebay-Gesch.C3.A4ftemachern. -- seth 22:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

The links get parsed by the linkwatchers, so they appear in the database. I am not sure how to .. force COIBot or LiWa3 to actually report this link-hiding. It is an interesting concept. If I would notice a 'neutral' userpage with hidden spam-links like this on en.wikipedia, I would indef the user immediately, meta-blacklist the links and remove the traces. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 08:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
The user is blocked already. The weird thing about this is that some guys try to sell addition of spam links in wikipedia via ebay. That's why I thought that those links on that user page were such sold spam links. I'm not sure, whether blacklisting can really help against this. What do you think? -- seth 21:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Does not really help, though I do think that it is known in the SEO world that spamming Wikipedia starts to pay less, as if you get caught, and your links end up here, you get punished widely (some don't care - just make new domains) - Problem with this 'payd editing' is that the owner does not care what the one does that gets paid, and the one that gets paid to do it, does not know the problems that it gives to the owner by spamming Wikipedia. If someone else now takes over (or the spammer makes a new account) then at least they notice that it is blacklisted (and I would add this to meta - this is so clear abuse that this is not in any form good faith anymore) - it might send a signal for this specific case. Otherwise you might run behind it for a long time when others start spamming it again (you might want to put this into the alert lists of LiWa3/COIBot - you might see it coming by again, try 'link rl add resolve' (it looks then for sites which are hosted on that server) and maybe also the individual sites ('link rl add <regex>' for each of the regexes). Another trick to get all the current domains listed is by reporting the domains in {{LinkSummary}} templates to a talk-blacklist page.
Hope this helps. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 08:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

User:COIBot/XWiki - 2

Hi Beetstra. Please modify the settings of the bot; so that it doesn't use the deprecated "prettytable" style. I've tried to fix it but the bot continues replacing it. Thanks, -- Dferg ☎ talk 12:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Those are in the settings .. you should have changed it here. Thanks for letting me know. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Beste Beetstra. Bedankt. I'll remember that page for the future. Regards, -- Dferg ☎ talk 21:07, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello Beetstra;

Today, a personal web site, wikipedia "black list" have entered. Kazantip Festival web page with photos, no bad content, the program does not exist .. Just, why the site has blocked photos?

please again check my site.

Thank you. Emre—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emsanator (talk)

I'll have a look. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 11:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I blacklisted that, it was quite unwanted (see e.g. here, where it was persistently re-inserted without discussion). You might want to have a look at en:WP:SPAM, en:WP:EL, en:WP:NOT (and other language equivalents linked from these pages; I am sure you know how to follow the links between different language wikis). We are not a linkfarm, we are not a place to promote a festival. I hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 11:03, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, What i can do to erase the "blak list/spanlist" ? Beetstra, I do not have and bad intetions.. In Wikipedia only "Kazantip" links page with the current. Please help.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emsanator (talk)

well, the repeated removals of your link on the de.wikipedia should already have given you the hint that maybe your link was not wanted. But you chose to reinsert and reinsert. And similarly, you added the link to MANY other wikis. Such unsollicited (and clearly, unwanted) link additions qualify as spamming here, and suggest that you are more interested in having your links here, than in the intentions of Wikipedia.
You can ask for de-listing in the appropriate section of Talk:Spam blacklist, where I will leave the decision to another admin to actually remove it or not. If they don't think it is useful, then well, that would be it. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 13:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for answers Beetstra.. Talk:Spam blacklist, address added. I hope that is the white list..

I just happened to notice your delisting last October. I didn't even have to drop one word on you, not to mention a tome. Thanks. --Abd 22:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

You? One word? But I would not have listened to your arguments, I would not even have read them as they are all besides the point. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 08:02, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Are you saying, Beetstra, that you don't read requests before commenting or acting on them? I suppose that saves you some time. In any case, you have, to my recollection, granted almost every request I've made as to blacklisting/whitelisting, eventually. Sometimes it took a little "discussion," eh? Thanks anyway. --Abd 17:22, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
No, I did not say that. And no, I did not grant your requests. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 08:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
You are correct, you did not say "that." You said that you would not have read an argument. I'd guess you'd mean, you know without reading them, that they are "beside the point." Gee, Beetstra, this was meant to be a friendly comment, actually thanking you for doing the right thing, albeit after a long delay!
In fact, there never was any need for the blacklisting of the web site, lyrikline, content considerations should have militated heavily against it. As often happened, the interests of the blacklist volunteers was given first priority, which is backwards. The user had stopped, and even started to undo his additions (even where they were perfectly okay). The blacklist is supposedly reserved for use where lesser remedies fail. That's not how it was used with, nor with
Too bad, Beetstra, because now I'm exercised to do something about this, since the attitude apparently remains. I haven't seen any abusive blacklistings lately, but I haven't been looking. Maybe I should. A lot of damage was done by those old blacklistings, you wouldn't see it, it's in user frustration and loss of possible content and value to the readers. Lyrikline is actually a reliable source establishing the notability of hosted poets. Anyway, thanks again for delisting it.
And, yes, you did grant my requests, I think every one that wasn't withdrawn. But maybe I forget something. --Abd 21:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
You see .. the same crappy arguments, you keep repeating it, and they are, simply, useless. Yes, there was FULL reason to blacklist lyrikline, plain COI spam, difficult (if not impossible) to stop, warnings were issued, cross-wiki, and the appropriateness of the (chosen) linking was, often, debatable.
And you requested blacklisting, whether I de-blacklisted based on your arguments, or on the basis of proper arguments is something different. In most cases, I de-blacklisted after proper considerations, not granting your arguments. Yes, Abd, we both have the attitude which does not change. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 07:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Adding to this, all the delistings were of links which I did not myself blacklist. I've also regularly refused, or regularly 'ignored' discussions about de-blacklisting. Though you could argue, that such a refusal to de-list would be abuse of the admin bit, I doubt that you could make that hold. Nonetheless, you again use in your arguments 'I'm exercised to do something about this', which reads as a threat. You keep using that, if you see that your arguments don't get through with some editor, you either threat the editor with an RfC or an ArbCom, or you actually do it. Well, I'm not impressed.
But you seem to be very strongly convinced that we (systematically?) abuse the spam blacklist for some hidden agenda (you can't possibly think that we use the blacklist because we think it is fun, do you?). You are beyond good faith when a 'wrong' (or debatable) addition is performed, you regurgitate the same arguments ánd use superfluous arguments &c. You fail to assume good faith on admins who perform a debatable (or even wrong) blacklist (your first post about to the blacklisting admin was a very clear example of that). I am sorry, Abd, I am afraid that the admins who are active in this field have lost faith in you, certainly I did. You can write out your arguments, but I don't care about it, I will do my own research. Maybe it is time to realise that. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 10:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


See here as well. Regards, -- Dferg ☎ talk 21:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I've undone, that is what we have whitelists for, and it was clearly spammed. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 08:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello again. Mind review if my adition here would stop such domains? I thought about \b^stdtesting\.(?:com|net|org)\b too. Who is the best? Att, -- Dferg ☎ talk 11:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
no, \b is an 'end of word', so '\bstdtesting' does not catch 'blahstdtesting'. It will work if you omit the \b. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:39, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Done. Thanks, -- Dferg ☎ talk 09:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Ter informatie

Hoi Beetstra. Als het goed is spreek je Nederlands, dus voor mijn gemak even in mijn moedertaal. Er kwam op nlwiki een verzoek binnen van een globaal geblackliste site, zie hier. Aangezien jij er toentertijd in 2008 bij betrokken was, stel ik je hier even van op de hoogte. (EdBever en Erwin, de andere betrokkenen, heb ik het op nlwiki laten weten.) Groet, Trijnstel 15:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Ik zie dat het verzoek al gesloten is. Ik ben het wel eens met de meningen die daar zijn gegeven. Dank! --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)



Its it so that the spam blacklist helper doesn't work when you are not a admin? Is there a way arround this?


Huib talk Abigor 11:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm .. it should work for the things that do not require admin powers. Erwin wrote this, maybe you should ask him to adapt the script a little (I'm not good with Java). --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

COIBot adding stuff to Innvs signature

Hi Beetstra, long time no see. I discovered something weird here - for every save COIBot has added something to the two places where user:Innv had signed - now making the page ridiculously 1,6 MB long. I couldn't even edit it :( I've got no clue how this came about - any ideas? Finn Rindahl 19:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

The edit is here, some UTF8-problem that keeps propagating in some curious way, duplicating on every edit. I have removed the UTF8 characters from the comment, but I will have a look in the bot as well. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 07:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
There are more of these around. Finn Rindahl 09:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Facebook redirects

Hi Dirk, I keep seeing redirects, such as and Should these be blacklisted or revertlisted? EdBever 12:21, 24 September 2011 (UTC) is probably typosquatting (it will probably redirect to another site), and hence should be blacklisted on sight (there are even typosquatting sites of Wikipedia blacklisted .. often they even go to sedoparked sites, and companies make money with them). IIRC, is an official redirect site, still, that can also be blacklisted, people can use the full link, no need for the shortcuts there (there are pages blacklisted, no need for redirects there to get around it). For as far as I know, there are only very, very few redirect sites which should not be blacklisted, all others can be blacklisted on sight (or even before that .. I blacklist sites when I see them used by some in twitter posts, totally unrelated to Wikipedia). --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Verzoek voor COIBot

Hoi Beetstra. Zou je hier svp naar kunnen kijken? (dat wil zeggen, zou je COIBot zo'n dossier willen laten maken?) Alvast bedankt. Groet, Trijnstel 11:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Nog eentje:, zie hier. Ik heb beide links alvast globaal geblacklist. Trijnstel 10:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
En nog eentje welke wellicht handig is om uit te zoeken: (link). Dank alvast! Trijnstel 13:27, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Ik zal ze aanmaken. Voor de volgende keer: User:COIBot/Poke. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:01, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

About COIBot

Hello Beetstra,

I wonder myself how to force your bot to generate a X-wiki report for a domain which page does not already exist. For example, I saw crosswiki spam with the link, and I would like to know if other links are still there, and if other users / IPs did insert those links, at least on commons and enwiki. Is it possible to do that ?

Anyway, thanks for the wonderful work you do with your bot on the global spam blacklist. Cheers, -- Quentinv57 (talk) 18:35, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

You can force the bot to create a linkreport by posting to User:COIBot/Poke (it listens to users in granted groups (admins) and to specific users. Unless you have access to IRC, there is not a possibility to create a XWiki report now. I'll have a think how I could do such a thing (could do something like having a template 'XWikiPoke', with first parameter the link, and further parameters as usernames.
For those on IRC: 'quickcreate <domain>' creates an empty report, and queues it for refreshing. The nice thing is, you can already blacklist from that report (I use it sometimes for redirects - I create the report from IRC, blacklist, and forget about it). --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:34, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, and thanks for your answer (I just read it now). I just sent a poke on the page you gave me. For the crosswiki report, it would be cool if you could authorize me and tell me in which channel I should perform this command. Thanks, your bot is really useful. -- Quentinv57 (talk) 19:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Is it allowed in Wikipedia?

To keep in the pages of wiki Administrator's personnel thesis? at ? Other problem is We call Computer as same in English, but admin forcibly used his word Ganpukar of Computer. I have proof that thousands of published books called it Computer not Ganpukar. If some one oppose him he started abusive language. That is the reason never got attraction to Sindhi community. Plz check record there. Other things are he locked CSS due to that on the same site there are lot of font styles appeared there. He is not able to set commonCSS or Monocss. We are in trouble to work in our local Sindhi language. I don't know where to say for this problem. Record history says all the situation there. I appeal plz warn him to follow rules, other wise he will continue use his personnel details and personnel promoted articles there. Dear I am sorry If u r not right person to say all about this, Plz suggest me where I can raise this issue. My ID is same. His thesis is not a violetion?ماحولياتي_انتظام_ڪاڻ_اُپُگِرَهِي_عَڪس_ضماءُ_۽_درجه_بنديءَ_جي_طريقن_جو_اَڀياس

Alixafar 00:55, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Hmm .. I understand your frustration, but I am afraid that you will have to find someone who can read Sindhi, and is up-to-date with local policies and guidelines. Not sure how I can help you here. Sorry. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 12:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


I've used for the first time the manual /Poke page for generating reports. Will the bot be generating a report even if the domain has not been reported in the past? I've added myself too to "grantedusers" in /Settings since the previous reports I posted were ignored by the bot (since I caught those spammers quite quickly the bot probably had not had enough time to parser the domains, maybe). Please check if everything is OK. Best regards. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 21:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Nah, that is the second person 'complaining' about that in a short time - reports not saving. First, you should be automatically be 'granted' to be using the /Poke facility, you are an admin. Secondly, it should always save .. if it noticed the template having been added.
I can't figure out why it did not save your pokes. I have further extended the logging in COIBot for these functions, maybe it will come out why it missed your edits (well, it saw your edits, but it did not log why it did not Poke the links). Maybe you could try again to poke a link, so I can then have a look in the log (in an hour or so, COIBot is just connecting again, that does take some time). --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 10:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


Hoi Dirk! To be honest I didn't find anything interesting, I've simply seen an user adding that link and I wasn't able to find any legitimate use for it on Wikipedia :)

See you! --Vituzzu 21:06, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Eh, who did you see adding it, if you remember? --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 08:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Class "attable"

Gday Beetstra, the COIBot/XWiki page was not sorting, so on playing I saw a class "attable" which when removed fixes the non-sorting issue[2]. I couldn't see that class in MediaWiki:common.css so I am not sure what was/is its purpose. As the page itself looks bot generated, I am unsure whether the class is missing, or its addition is an artefact. In the end, I thought lobbing here and asking was probably the best and safest matter. :-) billinghurst sDrewth 02:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I concur, I found the same problem. EdBever 21:14, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Also, would you be able to consider making the wikimedia-wide links in the COIBot scripts to be protocol relative, at the moment, when I am in https:// at toolserver, I have to modify or not use certain links, and I occasionally forget and drop back to http:// and accordingly I lose my login. Thanks if you can do that. billinghurst sDrewth 11:29, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
'attable' must then have been removed. The attributes of the table can be adapted via the settings - see [[User:COIBot/Settings] - otherwise the bot will just overwrite them every time with other settings.
okay, I will work at how and where billinghurst sDrewth 14:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Regarding http/https - that is something that either needs adaptation of scripts (Erwin wrote mose of those), or of the templates transcluded onto the pages - not sure how to do that with the xwiki-diff-links in the list of additions, though. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 13:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Found this bit and have updated and it functions :-) billinghurst sDrewth 14:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)