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Latest comment: 18 years ago by ChongDae in topic Unjustifiable removal!

안녕하세요. :) --Puzzlet Chung 00:52, 7 May 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hello ChongDae. Please re-apply at Requests for permissions once you have permission at the English Wikipedia for Chobot. Angela

Re: Chobot


Hi, I'm an administrator at the Vietnamese Wikipedia. Feel free to run the bot; just make sure to follow the rules, of course. We don't have our own policy yet, since a number of interwiki bots pass through vi: all the time, but you're the first to ask for permission. Thanks! :) – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 03:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi again, could you please setup Chobot to sort interwiki links according to their display name, rather than by their ISO codes. This is the practice at the Vietnamese Wikipedia, and I've noticed that your bot is using ISO codes instead. Please see vi:User talk:Gangleri#Re: Interwiki guidelines and User talk:Gangleri#alphabetical order. Thanks. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 18:51, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

I stop running bot on vi:. Could you explicitly write down the order of languages? I cannot decide the order of non-latin alphabet languages in vi:. If it is done, I will report the bug on pywikipedia developers. (Other bot operators also use the same program.) For your reference, the order for english wikipedia is as follows. It sorts "Bahasa Indonesia" as "I", not "B". -- ChongDae 19:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

       self.alphabetic = [

Here's my modified list – I just put all these into an interwiki link list, transliterated any non-Latin-based name as it appeared in the list, then alphabetized it all:

       vi-sorting-order = [

I found some ideosynchracies in the order, such as putting vi: directly after tlh:, which doesn't make sense for any sorting scheme. In addition, I removed any duplicate entries (there were a few of those). The sort order that you provided above is decent – for example, it puts fi: under S, not under F. I suppose putting languages like Indonesian under I instead of B makes more sense, but this is the way we've been sorting the links at vi: for a long time now. In the future, we may come back and review this practice.

Thanks for your help and understanding!

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 03:21, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Please keep this list somewhere in vi:. And I fill a bugreport on the sorting order. -- ChongDae 05:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

And your suggestion is similar to sorting order in et:. Please compare and double check it. -- ChongDae 06:24, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

           'et': ['aa','af','ak','als','am','ang','ab','ar','an','roa-rup',

Actually, the et: order is pretty close what I was looking for, but there are still several languages out of order, so here's my revised version:

       'vi': ['aa','af','ak','als','am','ang','ab','ar','an','roa-rup','as','ast','gn',

There are a few codes that don't work because the wikis haven't been setup yet: ban:, bug:, gay:, chm:, and udm:. Also, there are Wikipedias currently in testing at Test-wp, so these codes can be added once those editions are setup:

[[nds-nl:]]Nederlaands-Nedersaksische, placed before nl:
[[zh-yue:]]中文(粵語), placed at the end
[[gem:]]Seeltersk, placed after sco:
[[bdf:]]Basa mBanyumasan, placed after jv:
[[mis-ryu:]]Ucinaːguci, placed before uk:
[[chn:]]Chinuk Wawa, placed after ny:
[[lad:]]Ladino / לאדינו, placed after ku:
[[war:]]Waray-Waray, placed after wa:
[[gem-zws:]]Zeêuws, placed before zh:

Hope this helps.

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 18:23, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

copy from w:User talk:Tarmok#Interwiki sorting order:

When talking with a vi: user, their order is simiar to et:. It can be merged into one. I guess that you are responsible to the order in et:. Please visit my talk page in meta and leave your opinion. -- ChongDae 19:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

first clarification, in ET I just happen to be more interested in this sorting, but that's about it, no one have given me honour to decide and rule about how the links should be sorted. We have general agreement to use language own names for sorting (vs language codes) and currently is going "official" voting to make it official policy.

So my lists and notes for bots are basically expressing one's opinion. this said, now about the sorting. I have been involved with this sorting as building my own small tool to ease manual sorting and related to this made some research. The ordered list is visible here w:User:TarmoK/TKtools. I added there also "real" links so it can be seen how the links look in reality. As I have made best effort to get this list correct, I'm sure there may be errors and I'm updating as getting know them. (And Bahasa Indonesia-type of cases i've been using always first letter)

in this list are some, noticed above, wikis which are not yet existing; I have left them as they don't influence the tool work. about the rest I see some differences some I'm able to justify but the ones which are not based on latin alphabet I can't be sure.

here's the differencies I noticed whne comparing it with VI version (excluding the non existent wikis):
  • 'to','fa','fo','fr','fy','ff','fur' different order
  • 'csb','kw','ky','rw','rn','sw','kv','kg','ht','kj','ku','lo' different order
  • 'nah','fj','nl','cr','ne','ja','ce','no','nb','nn','oc','or','om','ng' different order (nb doesn't exist anymore, it's no)
  • uz is too early and generally from there until end there's a lot of different order cases
  • tokipona doesn't exist anymore in wikimedia domain

ET list in bot software is earlier version of the list (based on earlier version of my own list) I left to bot development page when I got a bit annoyed of all the bots who visited ET and sort of "messed" things around

Hope you can make something useful out of it --TarmoK 21:54, 29 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Here's my revised array:

       'vi': ['aa','af','ak','als','am','ang','ab','ar','an','roa-rup','as','ast','gn',

Some explanations regarding my changes:

Gayo language (Bahasa Gayo) – it was in ChongDae's version of et: (Eesti)
Balinese language (Basa Bali) – doesn't exist yet; should be right before jv: (Basa Jawa)
Buginese language (Basa Ugi) – should be right after su: (Basa Sunda)
Tongan language (faka-Tonga) – should be right before fa: (Fârsi)
Faroese language (Føroyskt) – should be right before fr: (Français)
I'm in opinion that it should be after fur (Furlan), because ø is in end of the alphabet, see en:Faroese_language#Alphabet --TarmoK 18:41, 31 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
Kazakh language (translit. Qazaq) – should be right before pi: (translit. Pāli)
where you took this translit.? (It seems to me be just english way of writing) If we look the language name link what appears in left, then there is қазақша which freely turned to latin alphabet from cyrillic is kazaksha (see also en:Kazakh language --TarmoK 18:41, 31 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
Kyrgyz language (translit. Kirgizca being used) – should be right after rw: (Kinyarwanda)
Lao language (translit. Lao being used; ພາສາລາວ, which is much longer, is translit. as Phaasaa Laao) – should be right before la: (Latina)
Nahuatl language (Nahuatl) – I put it right before fj: (Na Vosa Vakaviti), since I don't account for spaces when alphabetizing
Ndonga language (Oshiwambo) – should be right after om: (Oromoo)
Uzbek language (translit. O'zbek) – should be right after ug: (Oyghurque)
Klingon language (tlhIngan Hol) – should be right after ti: (Tigrigna)

Thanks for pointing out that page to me; I hadn't noticed many of the mistakes I made.

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 00:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

The order is similar to [[1]]. I think that these three order can be merged and maintained together. It will be helpful for pywikipedia and other interwiki tool developers.-- ChongDae 07:27, 30 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

The order that TarmoK and I have worked out seems more comprehensive than the one at fi:. Who should we contact about their list (or where should we ask about it)? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 20:52, 30 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

I've made a page Interwiki sorting order. -- ChongDae 14:54, 31 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
This finnish page was my starting point, but there are many changes and additions, what have come along. For finnish page option is to leave note to this page talk page.
It's nice page you, ChongDae, have made. I think, It maybe good to add (sub?)page with table of language code, language own name in language alphabet, language name in latin alphabet and maybe also link to language article(?) I added to the talk page there something for starters. --TarmoK 19:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)Reply



Hi ChongDae, pt:Usuário:Chongbot has been blocked. You have to ask the community for approval before running the bot. Best regards, 22:19, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Merge Sakura with Prunus serrulata?


You have requested that the en:Sakura article be merged with en:Prunus serrulata. I strongly oppose this suggested merger. The Sakura article is as much about a cultural phenomenum as it is about the plant, while the Prunis serrulata article is only about the plant (and should be only about the plant). (en:user:BlankVerse) 20:34, 9 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

이 주의 번역 후보


어린 왕자 대신에 ko:프티 프랭스는 어떨까요? 천문학, 문학, 역사, ... --Puzzlet Chung 03:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC)Reply



Can you please make sure that it's not messing up other interwiki links? Please check out this diff. 17:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC) (aka en:User:Wikibofh)Reply

See en:User_talk:Wikibofh#from_Chobot_operator.. for my answer. ChongDae 14:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply



This bot stripped a lot of the interwiki links for [Butterfly]. I replaced the one to the German wiki [Schmetterlinge], as it's the only one whose translation I am sure of, but maybe the others should be replaced as well? I'm kind of new, so I don't want to overstep here, so if they were removed for a reason, I can go back and pull mine off. (Maaya 21:39, 14 July 2005 (UTC)) (de:Benutzer:Maaya)Reply

See de:Benutzer Diskussion:Maaya

  • Hmmm. Here's the best I can explain it. The word Schmetterlinge itself is the plural form of Schmetterling, which means butterfly. In the German Wikipedia, Schmetterlinge refers to the order 'Lepidoptera', which includes moths and butterflies (as you know). However, the de:Kategorie:Schmetterlinge includes listings for both moths and butterflies. The German word for moths is de:Motten, which links to the English page for en:Moths. I'm not really sure why the de:Lepidoptera page redirects to the Schmetterlinge one, maybe Schmetterlinge is more easily recognised? (Maaya 14:24, 15 July 2005 (UTC)) (de:Benutzer:Maaya)Reply

Please register as bot


Dear ChongDae, Please have your bot registered as such at the Danish Wikipedia (User:ChoBot). --Bruger:Manscher 13:30, 21 July 2005 (CEST).

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

bot status on NL wikipedia


Hello ChongDae, you asked for bot status on NL wikipedia. Can you please anser my question on http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg#Bot_flag_for_Chobot. Thanks, Ellywa 19:17, 24 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply



Please request your bot flag for continue editing on rowiki. Also, please add your information at this bot info page. Thank you -Romihaitza 07:58, 25 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Please register as bot on sk wiki


If you want to operate a bot at the Slovak Wikipedia, please register it. -- 10:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Chobot – fi


Hi, ChongDae! See fi:Wikipedia:Botit for information about getting a bot flag in the Finnish Wikipedia. Please sort the interwiki links by the order given here. --Tsemii 19:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
This is the order of links in fi-wiki: [2] I got the impression you were looking for those. -Samulili 21:42, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Italian Wikipedia


Please have the bot flag set ASAP and fill in your relevant information on the bot page. Thanks a lot, M/ Lug 6, 2005 21:54 (CEST)

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

ChongBot in nds.wikipedia.org


Hi ChongDae,

please have a look at [[3]] which describes the bot rules for the nds wikipedia. Please make sure that you get you robot flag set. Drop me a note in [[4]] once this is done. I have blocked the account of your bot until then as I do not like to see bot activities in Special:Recentchanges.

Kind regards,

HeikoEvermann 12:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Please read my E-mail. I cannot write on your talk page. -- ChongDae 14:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Slovene WP


Please, request a bot flag for SLO WP. Regards, --Klemen Kocjancic 12:43, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Please register you bot for use on da:


Please don't run your bot on da: before you've registered it; you've already been asked to do so by Manscher on 21 July (see above). Otherwise we'll have to block your bot. - Kaare 15:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

See the talk page of Manscher -- ChongDae 16:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
ChongDae, Why does your bot remove valid interwiki tags (see this edit)? Manscher 16:40, 28 July 2005 (CEST)

zh-min-nan's page(zh-min-nan:Ang-á-oē) is not about Manga(japanese comics), but general comics. The links should be in da:Tegneserie, not da:Manga. In east asia, we are using same word "漫畵/漫画"(both are same chinese letter. Traditional/Simplified) for comics, but the pronounciation is different. Manga is japanese pronounciation for "漫画", and it means japanese comics outside of japan. (In japan, it means comics.) Similarily, "만화" (en:Manhwa) means korean comics outside of korea. In en:, there are three "漫畵/漫画" pages - en:Manga, en:Manhwa, en:Manhua.

In korean wikipedia, to make it clear, I mapped en:Comics = ko:만화(Manhwa), en:Manga = ko:일본 만화(Japanese Manhwa) and en:Manhwa = ko:한국 만화 (Korean Manhwa).

And I run bots on Manga and Manhwa for other wikipedias, since it is easy to check the correctness. But I don't run bot on Comics to prevent unaimed mistakes. -- ChongDae 18:21, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Please register you bot for use on he:


Please don't run your bot on da: before you've registered it. Troll Refaim 21:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

in progress. See Requests_for_permissions#Chobot -- ChongDae 08:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hi, ChongDae. Changes to the Israel wikilinks in w:ca and w:gl were done following a recent warnfile; I don't read Arabic, and am furthermore unable to display it in my console,so I can't check the accuracy of these. Thanks for mentioning it. es:Usuario:Taragui



Thank you for running your wikilinkbot on ia:. However, I want to ask one favor -- could you please have your bot alphabetize the wikilinks in its summaries, so that (say) 'Modificado: zh, tl, no, gl, eo, vi, sl, nds, bg' shows up as 'Modificado: bg, eo, gl, nds, no, sl, tl, vi, zh'? This way, it will be easier for humans to go through and 'spot-check' any changes your bot is making. Almafeta 07:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

patched in recent version of pywikipedia -- ChongDae 16:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hello. Can you please translate this fundraising letter (Fund drives/2005/Q3 planning/Fundraising drive letter/en) for Wikipedia into Korean? If you are too busy, can you find someone who can translate it. Thanks Danny 10:37, 15 August 2005 (UTC)Reply



Why did you remove the fa: interwiki link on nn:Fluor? [5] --EIRIK\talk 15:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Because the page in fa is about "Carbon"! -- ChongDae 11:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Bot question


Hi. Your Chobot made an edit in sr (Serbian) wikipedia. Namely, it found a doubled article, erased one of the two and made a redirect. The problem is: we didn't know the two coexisted and both have different facts, so merging would be optimal. After I have seen your bot's edit, I merged the articles, but I'm writing to you to prevent such further happenings. So, I was wondering if you could just notify the community or just me, e.g. by creating a log of doubled pages instead of erasing them (and then redirecting). Thanks in advance. --Dungodung 12:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC) (but I'm more active here.)Reply

I see. -- ChongDae 13:14, 27 August 2005 (UTC)Reply


Your bot made an weird edit here:

20:30, 1 September 2005 (hist) (diff) m Kirchhoff's laws (robot Adding: ko Removing: ar, fr, ja, pl) (top)

Is it suppose to remove ar, fr, ja, pl? --AllyUnion 07:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Furthermore, your was approved to run on en, but was restricted to add and modify only Korean links. --AllyUnion 07:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
ar/fr/ja/pl pages are about en:Kirchhoff's circuit laws. So I've remove them from the en:Kirchhoff's laws. -- ChongDae 09:35, 2 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Not sure if you have seen this: I filed a bug2867 a while back with a patch to solve this exact problem - interwiki's sorting. I think the patch that i submited should be revised a bit to allow for admins to change sorting order without changing php files. Please take a look and contribute if you can. Thanks!


Mass Inerwiki Linking


Hi, I don't think that that mass linking to other Wikipedias - some with some dozen articles ...  ;-) - as done by Chobot on de:1865 and others was a good idea. That looks completela ugly (at least with skin "Classic". and is not useful. We are just discussing that here. -- Rainer Bielefeld 05:29, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Chobot exceeding its approved behavior


Please visit en:Wikipedia talk:Bots regarding a complaint about the behavior of the Chobot. Thanks! -- Beland 02:05, 5 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your contribution at 2005 South Asia earthquake. Please keep it up!!! Pradeepsomani (talk)

Need help for my multilanguage project www.cucumis.org


Hi, I need help for my translation help project. You can find it on www.cucumis.org . It's a community of translators that help each others. The translations value is evaulated trough a system of points that allow to avoid abuse of the system. The user interface is translated in many languages, it's very hard for korean and vietnamese. Thanks for your help! JP

hanja in templates


hi, just wondering why you reverted my deleting of hanja from some templates. as i explained in [6], i made the change when nobody objected in the discussion.

i don't see why we should have hanja in most cases. north korea does not use them at all. south korea rarely uses them. they are usually not on street signs or guidebooks or general webpages. remember this is the ENGLISH wikipedia, not for korean or chinese audience. even hangul is not really necessary, but just shows what it looks like in the local language. if hanja is sometimes necessary or relevant, it can be in the article, but i don't think it is for most korean topics. (Appleby) 14:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)Reply


Hi! You also seem to be interested in SVG flags, so I thought I could come to you with my problem: The Korean Wikipedia seems to use a template system similar to ours for including country names with flags in articles. The only problem is that it's horribly difficult to find out how to change links to the obsolete file... Could you do that? The obsolete images still used by ko: are Image:Flag of Marshall islands.svg, Image:Flag of Comoros.svg and Image:Flag of Czech Republic.svg. Thanks! en:User:Nightstallion, 09:16, 25 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Fixed -- ChongDae 17:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! You wouldn't happen to know someone who could do the same for the Estonian Wikipedia, would you? en:User:Nightstallion, 13:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
Never mind, got them to do it. Thanks again! en:User:Nightstallion, 16:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
Another few changes, these should be the last one: Image:Flag of Taiwan.svg to Image:Flag of the Republic of China.svg, and Image:Flag of China.svg & Image:Flag of Peoples Republic of China.svg to Image:Flag of the People's Republic of China.svg. Thanks! en:User:Nightstallion, 11:08, 27 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
I won't say "this is the last one", since I've been wrong every time I've said it, but... Please change Image:Flag of México.svg to Image:Flag of Mexico.svg. Thanks a lot for all your help! en:User:Nightstallion, 15:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
No problem. -- ChongDae 18:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Chobot's IP


Since Chobot is an approved bot, I've unblocked the IP. I don't know too much about our bot policy, or really how bots work, but I think if you are having this problem, you should alert en:wikipedia:bots and see what they think or if there is a solution. Bots are never supposed to be editing from an IP address. Sorry about any inconvenience. Please direct any replies to my Wikipedia talk page. Thanks. en:User:Dmcdevit

Laute and Ud


Hello ChongDae,
Chobot sets wrong interwiki-links in the german article "Laute" for tr: and ar: since Ud and Laute (lute) are different instruments.

de:My (Begriffsklärung)


You removed erroneously it:Mu from the interwiki link list. Please correct your bot. - de:Benutzer:Jörg Knappen

It is intentional. I think that it is better to link it:Mu to de:Mu. What's your opinion? -- ChongDae 09:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Unjustifiable removal!


Hello, can you please explain to me the reasoning behind the removal of the Greek translation (el) of Nouachott, in the homonymous article? Just wondering... 17:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Because the greek page gl:Νουακσότ is not available. -- ChongDae 17:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply