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::We could use you at [[WM:MSR]] also, Pathoschild. :) [[User:Kylu|Kylu]] 04:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 
::We could use you at [[WM:MSR]] also, Pathoschild. :) [[User:Kylu|Kylu]] 04:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
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== Global bot on wuu wikipedia ==
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Hello,
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I moved your proposition [[wuu:Wikipedia:红茶坊|here]], where more people come.
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I approve this proposition, because the communauty is very small.
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Regards
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--[[User:Hercule|Hercule]] 19:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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AJAX transclusion table

Debugging

Umm...

  • script doesn't seem to work in IE6
  • script doesn't seem to work in Opera 9
  • script breaks for some old skins, e.g. Nostalgia
  • &dontcountme=s is really obsolete
  • notice on MediaWiki talk:Common.js would be nice (I don't watch this forum)

However, the idea itself is nice and I support it. I suggest we move e.g. to Editing User talk:Pathoschild/Scripts/AJAX transclusion table to dicsuss technical details ∴ Alex Smotrov 06:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I moved the discussion to my talk page; I prefer to keep discussions in a few places, so they're easier to keep track of. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 06:53:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
It works in all skins now. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:28:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Now working in Opera 9. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:41:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Today I had the time to look at the code, found getAttribute('class') and table.innerHTML and then saw that you already fixed those, so I guess the code will work in IE soon.
I don't see why you need att object and why you have to "rebuild" the table. Also, 8 lines of code
for(var i=0; i<att.count; i++) {
		if(att.alltables[i].className) {
			if(att.alltables[i].className.match(/\battable\b/)) {
				att.tables[x] = att.alltables[i];
				x++;
			}
		}
	}
could be simple
for(var i=0; i<att.count; i++) {
	if(att.alltables[i].className.match(/\battable\b/)) 
		att.tables[x++] = att.alltables[i]
Alex Smotrov 18:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The object groups everything in a common namespace, which lets us use simple variable names without worrying about conflicts (like "rows" or "tables" or "count"). We need to rebuild tables because some browsers (like Firefox) do not allow row manipulation as table nodes, but only as tbody nodes. MediaWiki doesn't add the tbody element to tables, so we need to add them to the tables before we manipulate the rows. The script checks if there's a class first because some browsers give errors if you use .match() on something that is undefined (when checking an element with no class).
I'm working on it sporadically; it should work in Internet Explorer within a few days. Any other suggestions are welcome, of course. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:19:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

How was that colored brace-matching done? I proposed implementing such a thing for templates here. Snowball 22:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It's handled by the SyntaxHighlight GeSHi extension. I suspect it would be difficult to add wikiML support, since it's not formally codified. It might also be difficult to apply to the edit box, because it uses HTML formatting (which cannot be used in a textbox) and would need to dynamically regenerate the formatting when the text was changed.
Syntax highlighting is possible with Javascript, although implementations that I know of are slow and unreliable. For example, see Cacycle's wikiEd. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:06:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Language subcommittee

Wikipedia Pontic

The following discussion is closed: Moved to Talk:Language subcommittee/2008#Wikipedia Pontic.

Pages grecques dans la wikiversité d'incubation

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Bonjour
En faisant le tri sur l'incubateur des wikiversités, j'ai trouvé cette page qui recense encore des pages en grecques. Est-ce qu'elle a encore une utilité ?
Merci d'avance. Crochet.david 06:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Non, je l'ai marqué pour suppression. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:20:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Hindi Wikinews

The following discussion is closed: Moved to Talk:Language subcommittee/2008#Wikinews Hindi.

Wikisource Venetian

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Hi, I wrote 10 days ago to the langcom (here) asking about the current status of my request, but I didn't get any answer... I'm starting to think that my message wasn't noticed at all... Can you answer my question, or at least ask somebody else to do it? thanks. Candalua 12:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 12:05:13, 03 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikiversity Persian

The following discussion is closed: Moved to Talk:Language subcommittee/2008#Wikipedia Silesian.

Senang Hati

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Please see User talk:Herbythyme#Davenbelle about more sleepers. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 07:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Herby has suggested a Steward and I see that you are one; Hi! The discussion on his page is a bit further along and the sleeper on wikiquote has just been blocked, but there are others. I have a list at User talk:Jack Merridew/Matrix and with a few exceptions they should be blocked. Not on my say-so, of course, but if you look into this, I believe you'll deem about a half dozen block appropriate.

Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 08:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

p.s. Senang Hati means 'Happy Heart' in Indonesian; see w:Senang Hati Foundation

Thanks for pointing this out. It is being discussed on Checkuser-l, and local checkusers will take the preventative actions they deem appropriate. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:17:26, 01 May 2008 (UTC)

custom regex tool

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Pathoschild, Sorry if you have the answer written somewhere already: I would like to set up the regex tool so that /foo/g -> bar is entered into the edit summary automatically. How can I do it? Hillgentleman 15:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC) P.S. At the moment the header occupies the whole page. It would be great if you could reduce most of it to a few lines. Hillgentleman 15:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You can set it using setreason():
setreason('/foo/g -> bar');
You can also manipulate it directly using an alias:
editreason.value = '/foo/g -> bar';
Could you take a screenshot of the header? It's only a few lines at my resolution. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:34:00, 03 May 2008 (UTC)

TemplateScript

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Hello, Pathoschild. I've copied your TemplateScript file to my monobook.js page, but it isn't working. Templates aren't appearing on Sidebar. Please let me know, what I must to do.--Srhat 06:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Srhat. I corrected the instructions and updated your JavaScript. It should work when you bypass your cache. (The script was broken by recently added restrictions for URL access points.) —{admin} Pathoschild 21:07:27, 04 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks--Srhat 15:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

persian wikinews

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hi pathoschild .today i was cheking meta's old pages so i found this and it seems that process was fully done before .check this page. and new voting is here.so i think the project should begin.thanks indeed.--Mardetanha talk 16:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Mardetanha. That process was deprecated in 2006, and is no longer considered for the approval of new wikis. However, the wiki will be eligible for creation when the test project is consistently active with several editors. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:14:59, 04 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. i will try to motivate more people to be active there.thanks for your attention.--Mardetanha talk 21:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Length of submission

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Please note that I have "compressed" my submission from the excessive 1450 to exactly 1200 characters. BTW, I find this rather too little. Former years had longer submissions, which linked to even longer election manifests. But that is not for me to decide. Harel 20:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Harel. The character limit was implemented in 2005 at 1000, and increased last year to 1200. Previous election committees decided that this was necessary to avoid overloading translators, since translating even one of the 2004 candidate statements was a lot of work. We decided to maintain this limit, particularly with the new requirement that the full candidate page be translated before being displayed.
We also decided to disallow linking to unofficial pages due to concerns about unbalanced coverage. Since these unofficial pages are rarely translated, they are only available to a portion of the eligible voters. Disallowing them encourages candidates to state their positions briefly (making informed voting easier with less reading), significantly reduces translators' workload, and ensures fair accessibility of all the information available.
If you disagree with any of the rules, we welcome input from the community. We have already made a few changes to the rules after community discussion. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:08:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Translation/Translation requests/WMF/Our projects (nl)

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Hi Pathoschild,

(Copy from Aphaia's Talk Page)

I made a beta version in Dutch and added an extra category to mark it as translated.
I guess a better way is to use another template so it comes in the category for proofread/correction or whatever.
Can you explain me how, please? Templates are one of my weakest points unfortunately, I'm happy that I can read them ;-).
Greetings and thanks in advance, your would-be translator Patio 13:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Patio,
You can change the status at the template put on the top of Translation requests/WMF/Our projects/nl, now there Dutch version is indicated as "nl /Nederlands (needs updating)". Since the current "beta" version seems not to be updated yet, it would be better for us not to call it "translated" or "proofreading", since it needs more update & translation in my opinion.
If you would like to merge your user subpage version and the current one, please let me or any other meta admins know that.
If you have further questions about this "status" template, ask User:Pathoschild for information (He created it so has the best knowledge). Cheers,--Aphaia 13:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

(end Copy)

Updated en removed extra Category as per Aphaia's request. How to change status to 'proofread' or something when applicable?
Thanks in advance for an answer Patio 10:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Patio. Sorry for the delay in responding. You can do it by editing Template:Translation/Translation requests/WMF/Our projects. In the edit box, there is this line: " |nl |needs updating". Simply change "needs updating" to "done" (or one of the other statuses listed at the top of the edit box). —{admin} Pathoschild 19:12:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I used "Proofreading". Some feedback of colleagues is always handy. Patio 09:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

translation

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Hi Pathoschild. I translated the variables you asked here. Thanks. Atabek 12:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm only waiting for the Sakha translators, and then will file the request to create the wikis. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:15:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Moteurs externes sur ja:

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Bonjour,

J'ai corrigé le javascript pour les moteurs externes sur ja: et je cherche quelqu'un pour mettre la correction en place... ma version modifiée est ici : http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guillaumito/monobook.js (au début, je comptais demander à un admin ja:, mais il semblerait que ceux ayant touché récemment à common.js sont en wikibreak, vacances, etc.). J'ai profité de la correction pour ajouter le moteur wikiwix (il est placé en premier pour l'instant, mais je peux modifier si cela ne convient pas).

Guillaumito 12:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Bonjour Guillaumito. Demande s'il vous plait à un admin sur le wiki; je ne peut éditer l'interface sauf en cas d'urgence ou à la requête d'un admin. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:22:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikisource Limburgish‎

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I will ask the Limburgish community for consensus soon. But I've got a question. When the wiki will be created, can I get import rights, so I can see more easily that all pages are imported correctly? I'm familiour with the import tools (I've used them on wikia for example) --OosWesThoesBes 07:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello OosWesThoesBes. I don't know when the wiki will be created; that depends on Wikimedia's system administrators, and there are wikis that have been waiting months. We've tried to get the wikis created as soon as possible with no success. You can discuss the delay on the Foundation-l mailing list.
To get import access, hold an election or discussion on the wiki and post a request on Steward requests/Permissions. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:18:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, yes, I've seen that delay too. The hungarian Wikinews is waiting very long. 100 days? --OosWesThoesBes 08:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The wiki has been created. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:44:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Please don't change election rules and information

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Hello Anonymous Dissident. Please don't change the official elections rules and information. Every change triggers a large number of coordinated translation updates, and the change you introduced would require additional translation updates to remove it when the elections open next week. This is why the page is fully protected with a message asking administrators not to edit it.

If you'd like to suggest some changes, please add a message to the 2008 elections talk page and we'll deal with it as soon as possible. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:43:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I am very sorry for my action. I forgot to consider the translative difficulties that would arise as a result of the new material. As an aside though, I think it would be prudent to add some kind of outstanding notice at that section, because, as it currently is, it could lead to confusions about whether votes are accepted, and when. --Anonymous DissidentTalk 01:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
That's a good point; I was hoping that the red box at the top of every page would prevent confusion:
The election has not begun. Votes will not be accepted.
The translation period for candidate statements is currently underway.
Do you think some readers are skipping the red box? —{admin} Pathoschild 04:47:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
There's always someone. It's good to have a general warning, but then a more assertive and severe one at the relevant section. As it is now, what with the instructions of how to vote etc., it could mislead those few people who don't read the red box. --Anonymous DissidentTalk 07:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The election starts in a few days, so I think it's too late to add and translate the extra disclaimer. However, soon the boardvote software should be updated to tell voters when the election starts if they try to vote too early. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:59:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Final translation Wp/mdf

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Kranch provided translation needed, pls see [1]. Pls advise if anything else missing.--Numulunj pilgae 12:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; the wiki has been created. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:36:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

ISO code vs. sufficiently unique

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Hello Pathoschild, I'd like to know: do you share the views of GerardM on Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Westphalian#Other_discussion, that the language subcommittee accepts every language with an ISO code, even when the text of the language policy would indicate else? --::Slomox:: >< 12:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

No, Gerard's opinions are his own only. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:46:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
So, do you think his decision on the proposal is correct? --::Slomox:: >< 14:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't know enough about the languages to answer that; we'll need to investigate it more thoroughly before making a decision. Discussion on the page is one excellent source of information. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:05:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Notes for you

af:Gebruikerbespreking:Alias#Renaming, af:Special:Contributions/Daniel. Cheers, :) Daniel (talk) 08:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Gan wikipedia

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Bonjour Pathoschild, je suis tellement content de te dire que Gan wikipedia est enfin crée. On a vraiment bien attendu pendant ces mois-ci. Mais je voudrais savoir quand ou comment on peut changer le logo de Gan wikipedia au lieu du logo de English wikipedia. En plus, il y a une chose grave qu'il y a presque d'un millier de pages de test project qui sont disparues après la création et il ne reste que 22 pages maintenant. Enfin, je viens de trouver quelque phrases mal traduises sur Gan Mediawiki, je voudrais savoir si l'on peut encore les corriger. Je te remercie!--Symane 15:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Bonjour Symane. Si vous avez choisi un logo, téléchargez-le sur le wiki et demandez aux sysadmins d'utiliser cet image (modèle de requête). Vous pouvez corriger les messages sur translatewiki en tous temps (les corrections apparaîtrons sur le wiki avec un petit délai de quelque jours).
En ce qui est des pages manquantes, nous allons nous occuper de ça à l'instant. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 01:03:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Les pages manquantes ont été importées. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:54:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Bonjour. Merci pour votre réponse et j'ai suivi ce que vous m'avez raconté "télécharger le logo sur le wiki", mais je suis désolé que je n'arrive même pas à réussir le 1er étape. On note L'action que vous essayez de réaliser n'est accessible qu'aux utilisateurs des groupes Utilisateurs enregistrés, Administrateurs sur gan:Special:Upload.
A propos des pages manquantes, j'ai vu que le chiffre a augmenté à 535. Je vous remercie pour votre travail et j'espère que toutes les pages sont déjà importées. --Symane 13:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
J'ai réussi à créer un bug pour changer le logo. Mais le problème existe encore, il me semble que l'on n'est pas authorisé de upload des images sur Gan Wikipedia.--Symane 15:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Toutes les pages ont été importées; voyez gan:User:Pathoschild/Sandbox#Titles to be imported ("titres devant être importés"). Si vous voulez permettre le téléchargement des images pour tous les éditeurs, obtenez un consensus pour ce faire et créer une nouvelle requête sur bugzilla. Cependant, il est préférable de télécharger les images libres sur le Wikimedia Commons. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:21:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Merci à vous, c'est très gentil. (Pour le téléchargement des images, on peut les télécharger sur Wiki Commons, c'est pareil.) Alors une dernière chose à vous déranger, peut Gan wikipedia avoir une liste de caractères au-dessous de la zone de modification comme Yue Wikipedia? Cela facilitera beaucoup à modifier les articles parce qu'il y a de nombreux de caractères qui ne sont pas soutients par les méthodes d'entrée générales. Vous m'avez dit qu'il est praticable, donc je peux vous fournir la liste n'importe quand. --Symane 07:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Encore une chose à dire, il est marqué qu'il y a 932 articles à part des modèles et catégories sur gan:User:Pathoschild/Sandbox, mais on dit qu'il y a 535 page sur la une de Gan Wikipedia. Donc doit-il être combien le chiffre dans l'histoire? Merci.--Symane 08:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Tu peut ajouter une liste de caractères en créant gan:MediaWiki:Edittools avec un contenu similaire au suivant: <charinsert>Á á Ć ć</charinsert>.
Les statistique semblent ignorer "les pages minimales (« ébauches »)", ce qui pourrait expliquer le petite nombre puisque la majorité des articles sur le gan-Wikipedia sont encore minimes. Ca pourrait aussi être une erreur qui semble s'avoir produit sur plusieurs des nouveaux wikis (voyez bug 14359, problèmes avec les statistiques sur le Wikipedia Sakha). —{admin} Pathoschild 21:47:54, 02 June 2008 (UTC)
Merci! J'ai ajouté une liste de caractères toute à l'heure, gan:Template:Edittools. Mais on n'a pas d'authorisation de modifier gan:MediaWiki:Edittools. Je ne sais pas comment mettre en oeuvre la liste finalement.--Symane 11:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
J'ai placé {{edittools}} sur MediaWiki:Edittools, ce qui vous permet de le modifier indirectement sans accès sysop. Je suggère l'élection de sysops sur gan-Wikipedia. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:38:21, 03 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, tout est parfait maintenant. Je vous remercie et je reserve le droit de vous déranger en tous temps. :) A plus. --Symane 11:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Encore un petit problème, j'ai créé un page sur gan:User:Symane/MediaWiki:Common.css, pouvez-vous le transporter à gan:MediaWiki:Common.css afin de changer la taille de police des caractères sur Gan wiki. Merci. --Symane 13:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)--Symane 10:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

email ping...

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Ping. (thank you) :) --Emesee 05:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Response ping. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 05:30:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Notification emails

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Hi there,

Regarding the voting stage that's soon to start, I understand you guys are considering notification e-mails and apparently they will be sent out. I'm not very clear about how you're going to use the translated notification e-mails. Should we translate the replaceable placeholders such as "user name" or "name of project you've been active on" or leave them untouched in English? Also, will there be notifications on the various village pumps? Thanks, Harel 20:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Harel. We'll probably replace the placeholders with plain text soon (usernameWikimedian, and project where most activeWikipedia), so that they're easier to distribute. We will leave messages on community pages, for those voters who do not have confirmed email addresses. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:37:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. I still do not understand how you're going to replace the name of the project, for example, in the local language, without the translators preparing the proper terms for that. But maybe there's some cool template that you can use for that. Harel 06:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
We don't have a cool template, but KTC is working on a cool script. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 23:10:45, 02 June 2008 (UTC)

Moldavian-Romanian

The following discussion is closed: Request looks fine.

Hello, could you please have a look at this proposition[2], whether it is placed and listed in the right place and whether the discussion follows the proper pattern. Thank you very much in advance.--Moldopodo 15:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks fine. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:13:14, 02 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem with voter list?

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Hi there,

Two users from hewiki told me that the voting system won't let them vote, although they (quite clearly) qualify to vote. These are he:User:ברוקולי and he:User:ברי"א. Could you please advise? Harel 09:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Harel. According to our voter list, those two users are indefinitely blocked (in which case they could not vote). That's not accurate, although they do have a block history. I have to go, but I'll investigate it when I return this afternoon. Sorry for the inconvenience. —{admin} Pathoschild 09:10:43, 01 June 2008 (UTC)
Both are active, positive wikipedians. I know of a block history for one of them, and at any rate they are definitely not indefinitely blocked - you got something wrong in your data. I'll wait patiently. Harel 09:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Same also holds for he:User:חגי אדלר. I sense you have some kind of system-wide problem. Is it possibly because of the user names with Hebrew characters?? (just a silly wild guess) - none of these users is indefblocked. Harel 09:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
This is most likely the problem. Everyone on hewiki was considered indefblocked and hence disqualified because the script used to generate the list of voters by Tim gave everyones IP as localhost, and that IP was blocked. This seems to be the same problem which is causing similar problems at nlwiki, with the same blocking administrator. Daniel (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, we unblocked 127.0.0.1. I'll ask the voters who couldn't vote try again. Harel 15:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Harel, they still won't be able to. Tim will need to regenerate the list and send it to SPI, which will hopefully be done as soon as possible. Then, once SPI get it and update the list of eligable voters, then they will be able to vote. Asking them to try up until that point will be pointless. Daniel (talk) 15:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I informed them as you said. I hope that's the end of the problems. Harel 16:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, we just heard back from SPI indicating they've updated their global lists. Maybe get one he person to try, and if it works, tell them all it has been fixed. Let me know if it works, also, please :) Daniel (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Problem seems to be solved. Thanks a lot, Daniel! Harel 16:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

New flags for AlleborgoBot

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Hi! Can you set bot status for my AlleborgoBot and AlleborgoBot? These wiki has no bureucrat and bot policy approved. Thank you very much. --Alleborgo 12:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:51:02, 04 June 2008 (UTC)

Vote : problem with the french welcome message

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Hi Pathoschild, i just report here a bug concerning the welcome message in french about the votation (https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:Boardvote) : the message appears speaking about Board Election 2007 and giving a link on Meta to the board candidates in 2007. And this is not due to the translation. Guérin Nicolas 19:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Looking into it... —{admin} Pathoschild 21:24:17, 03 June 2008 (UTC)
Fixed. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:52:11, 03 June 2008 (UTC)
I voted from the wp.fr and everything look all right. Thanks, the french version looks now stable. Guérin Nicolas    Nuvola apps ksig.png 15:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Steward request on Ro:Wikiquote

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Hello! I am a sysop at Romanian Wikiquote and I'd like to request something: see this and please flag "WelcomeBot". It's my own bot and the period for voting has expired. Thank you a lot! --Firilacroco 12:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:16:55, 04 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia nomail list

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Hi, please see my comment at that page’s talk page: it is not at all clear what one should put on the page to be excluded. Simply ~~~~? Cheers, H. (talk) 08:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Follow up about hacking the Board vote

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Please read my response at User talk:Daniel. Shalom Yechiel 02:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


Problem with the voting software: please read carefully!

See the last paragraph of User:Shalom Yechiel/2008 WMF Board elections.

Regarding the final paragraph of my statement: this is actually a very serious problem waiting to happen. Just to make sure I wasn't fooling myself, I actually tried to hijack an eligible account and succeeded in doing so. On English Wikipedia, the archives of WP:CHU are readily accessible, so all I had to do was to find a user who had 600+ edits including 50 edits between March 1 and May 31, 2008, and who had been renamed to another account. I succeeded in doing so. w:User:Ohyeahmormons renamed himself to w:User:Irk but did not create his old account to prevent impersonation. I just now created that account and logged into Special:BoardVote. I am in fact able to vote from that account even though the edits attributed to that account belong to someone else. I have far too much integrity to double-vote on a board election, but if there is a hole in the voting security system, someone is likely to exploit it, especially since I already spilled the w:WP:BEANS. I assume you have the ear of the Foundation representatives who are managing the election. Do me a favor and tell them about this security hole, and see what can be done to rectify the potential problem. I would summarize it like this: even when edits have been attributed to a new username on a local wiki, they are still attributed to the old username on the election software, and the old username can be created by anyone who wants it. I have no way of knowing how many accounts can be hijacked in this manner by someone determined to rig the election: probably a couple dozen. Certainly that's enough to warrant notification to the election governing body.

I'll sleep better at night if you can tell me that you've forwarded this concern to someone who can act upon it. Thank you. Shalom Yechiel 20:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Shalom Yachiel. Ohyeahmormons is not on the eligible voter list. When you go to Special:Boardvote, does it redirect you and say "Welcome Ohyeahmormons@enwiki"? Could you try casting a vote? (We'll strike the vote, so there's no need to worry about double-voting.) —{admin} Pathoschild 20:59:48, 05 June 2008 (UTC)
As best I can recall, on Thursday when I tried to enter the voting screen with Ohyeahmormons, I was given permission to see the voting screen, so I could have voted. When I tried again to enter just now, I was told that Ohyeahmormons is not eligible to vote. I'm not sure what changed.
Anyway, I assume the voting auditors have something similar to "checkuser", and if I had voted, it would have been from the same IP address as my main account. Hopefully that will be enough to deter any shenanigans. Shalom Yechiel 02:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, we have access to the same information as checkusers and are on the lookout for abuse. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:28:34, 08 June 2008 (UTC)

Babel templates vs Babel extension

The following discussion is closed: Babel extension will not be merged with user language system

Working on the translations to the Babel extension over at translatewiki I had a strange feeling of déjà-vu, then remembered fixing the translations of your templates here (Irish is still on your list, but it's done BTW). What I'm wondering is, are you aware of the extension and is there any effort to co-ordinate or merge the two? I notice that the extension seems to have an extra level (professional) in addition to the 6 used here. That's a word that's hard to translate as I don't really know what's meant by it! ☸ Moilleadóir 22:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The babel extension was developed separately from the {{user language}} system. It's based on the system used by the English Wikipedia and has only vague definitions of each level (the {{user language}} system is based on crosswiki discussion and statistics, and has specific definitions). The author has already indicated he has no interest in changing it to merge the systems. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:52:45, 09 June 2008 (UTC)
Ah, that's a pity. ☸ Moilleadóir 21:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Userspace

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Hello,

My english is not so well but i will try anyway. I was so free to steal your userpage en translate it in dutch (my country). I liked it so much i want to use it for my own :)

bye,

Sterkebak 14:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:05:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Poll for global sysops

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May you prepare the voting page for global sysops policy? I am definitely bad with finding right templates and so on... --Millosh 09:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I created a rough draft at Steward requests/Global permissions. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:10:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for confusing wording: I asked you for making a poll for the adoption of the policy :) (While the page for the permissions is needed, too.) --Millosh
You should probably do that on Metapub instead of a separate page. (You don't need any templates, just summarize the proposal.) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:28:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Done. And thanks! --Millosh 11:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

batch bot request

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hi, Pathoschild, I request for several bot flags and list here follwing the instruction of user:birdy. can you help me to authorize the bot flag. Thanks!--Vipuser 14:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I've proposed the bot policy on that wiki. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:16:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! can you authorize gan:user:vipbot and gan:user:CarsracBot right now, because these two bots edited so many times every day and listed on the recent pages influence the human users.--Vipuser 08:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I flagged CarsracBot ahead of the standard bot policy implementation, but Vipbot is not eligible for steward approval under the policy. You'll need to wait for the vote period to be over. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:16:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Open proxy??

The following discussion is closed: No response from user

My IP address has been blocked from editing wikipedia articles because it is an "open proxy". I find the open proxy pages explanation pages difficult to understand. Is it possible that my Ip address has been blocked due to the creation of more than one user profiles from it? I have never vandalized and have only done postive constructive acticities on wikipedia and have started an article as well... so how come my actions have ended up warranting a block?Leif edling 16:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Leif edling. When you try to edit, you should see an error message. Please copy the text that appears in the box at the top, which provides the information I need to look into the block. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:28:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Update

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A lot of work done, especially since Anthere commented in detail which was very helpful. Take a look - I'll pick up comments off IRC later today if we miss each other. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:User language category

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Hello Pathoschild, I figured that it is very hard to find a certain user-language - skill -level in the categories, therefore I added a toc, but N seems not to exist and 5 shows users with level 1 O.o Please could You maybe find out what the problem is, many thanks in advance, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 07:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed; the sort key doesn't match the proficiency codes, which would list users in reverse order. I added the links to the description text: "This category sorts German speakers by order of fluency (1=native, 2=fluent, 3=intermediate, 4=basic)." —{admin} Pathoschild 21:03:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Logo for ext wikipedia

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Hi Pathoschild! I don't know the person i have to talk with, but well... i hope you could help me. We have uploaded a logo for the extremaduran wikipedia at ext:Image:Wiki.png, and i've asked for the change here, but there is a warning that says that configuration changes on the wikis should be requested in a central place by filing a note in our bugzilla, and i don't know how to do that... could you help me? Greetings! Better 14:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Better. To file a request to change the logo:
  1. click this link to auto-start a ticket (register an account or log in if necessary);
  2. review the form and link to a discussion if there was one;
  3. click "Commit".
{admin} Pathoschild 21:41:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Done. Thank you very much! Better 08:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Renomination

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Sallut Pathoschild, je voudrais bien savoir si il faut être renommé aux labs pour l'unified login. C'est le dernier projet où j'ai une compte. Si oui, je dois faire un demande ici? Le projet a seulement deux bureaucrates. Merci beucoup pour votre aide. - Jorge Morais 14:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Bonjour Jorge Morais. Vos noms doivent être identiques pour l'unification. Vous pouvez faire votre demande auprès de Bastique, un bureaucrate actif selon une analyse.
À titre d'information, la connexion automatique au wikis n'inclut pas le domaine wikimedia.org, sauf Meta et Commons (les autres bénéfices de l'unification sont toutefois disponible sur ces wikis). Ceci est une mesure de sécurité, puisque il y a plusieurs wikis privés sur le domaine. Voyez bug 14407: "CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator".
{admin} Pathoschild 15:40:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

hewiki checkusering

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Hi there,

I saw hewiki got central stage in the checkusering related to the board elections. That might be unsurprising, considering our very high turnout this time. I wish there were a way where you could contact some reliable person in our community and verify that certain users are not sockpuppets. We are a small community and we know the people personally. Some IPs are simply university labs and other places where many users edit from the same place. Maybe you can contant one of our checkusers (possibly not me, because I'm a candidate in this election). I can tell you that from looking at the names of users from hewiki who voted, I know the vast majority of them very well and cannot think who among them might possibly be sockpuppets. Harel 19:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you; there are a few cases we might need local checkusers' help with, as I noted in the archival section. We're looking closely at hewiki voters because they often edit from the same IP addresses with similar or identical software profiles; I think many users are voting from computer labs or behind ISP proxies, as you suggested. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:45:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I sent you an e-mail explaining the specific cases you checked (I can view the logs on hewiki... which makes sense). They're all well known editors in our community with familial connections. They turn up at meetups and we know they're different people... Harel 19:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. Do you know the four users I checked after your email? —{admin} Pathoschild 20:19:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes I do. Two siblings (living with their parents) and a couple (as in married couple). They're all wellknown, flesh-and-blood editors. Harel 20:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Board elections statistics

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Hi again. Another issue: some of the data you posted on your election-statistics-subpage here after the elections contains data that seems old and erroneous. It lists projects in a section that should be according to language, not project, and the numbers of voters are smaller than in [3]. It seems the data is both old and that there was some mixup along the way. Can you explain the differences? Harel 04:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:42:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

New bot policy for some wiki

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Hi! Since I've implemented the standard bot policy on some new wiki (ch, ilo) I ask you to give a bot flag to my bot on those wiki:

If you think that has sense there are also these well known bots on that wikies:

Thank you very much! --Alleborgo 10:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

All done except SpBot@chwiki, which hasn't done the test edits required for automatic approval (100 edits or 1 week). —{admin} Pathoschild 14:22:35, 08 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much again! --Alleborgo 07:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Total number of eligible accounts

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I'd like to make an estimate of the turnout in the board vote, but your statistics page doesn't quite give enough information. You quote 31900 accounts meeting edit-count requirements, but some of these are bots or are blocked, hence not eligible. You also quote 21804 unique accounts which are eligible and have a unique e-mail address. My reading of the rules is that you don't have to have an e-mail address to vote, so the question is, how many eligible accounts are there (or if you like, how many eligible accounts are there without e-mail addresses).

I do realise some of these will be multiple accounts belonging to the same person, but we can estimate this fraction based on your data on unique e-mails. PaddyLeahy 21:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Adjusted numbers:
  • 31900 accounts meet edit requirements;
  • ≈28898 accounts are eligible (not bot or blocked);
  • ≈21804 unique email addresses in valid format.
{admin} Pathoschild 14:39:55, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

OTRS permissions

The following discussion is closed: 'kay.

Hey Pathos.

Fecal storm on commons, see OTRS ticket. Apparently numerous images uploaded without permission/source from the actual photographers. Ugh. Thought you should know. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:17:05, 02 July 2008 (UTC)

Cebuano Wiktionary

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Hi, Pathoschild! I'm Abastillas, a Cebuano Wikipedian. I would like to ask for your help, as we would like to "re-request" the Cebuano Wikipedia, but I don't have the slightest idea how. Hope you could help. Thanks! --Abastillas 14:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Abastillas. Please follow the procedure explained at Meta:Language proposal policy, with the request page at Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Cebuano 2. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:48:34, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

LINK FA inflation on Lombard wikipedia

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Sorry for writing in english, neither my italian nor my lombard are good enough to communicate my point. There is a problem in the quality of the featured articles here in the lombaard wikipedia. I would not care, if this problem did not spill over to the german wikipedia: There is a Bot, called LinkFA-Bot, setting star-links in the interwiki menu to featured articles in other languages. However, entering such a «featured article» often reveals a stub or an otherwise very unpolished and imperfect article, leading to the frustration of the users.

The user behind LinkFA-Bot takes a formalistic stance: Every wikipedia decides on their own what articles to feature and the bot automatically assigns the stars. Thus my request: Check all featured articles and unfeature the unworthy.

See also: Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Lombard Wikipedia (in englisch), de:Benutzer Diskussion:Guandalug (the person behind LinkFA-Bot, Discussion in german, I can provide an english translation if needed)

134.96.220.133 17:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello 134. I do not know why you are proposing this on my talk page. I suggest discussing this with the Lombard Wikipedia community instead. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:54:23, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

Applicability of the Standard Bot Policy in wiki with bureaucrat

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Hi, Pathoschild. I would like to ask you a question regarding the applicability of the Standard Bot Policy.

I'm currently a bureaucreat in the Georgian Wiktionary. This wiki has very low activity and I'm kind of a "honorary" bureaucrat. Truth is, I check the site not very often and it's likely that bot requests may linger there for some time unanswered. So, my question is, despite there being a bureaucreat (me), is it still possible to enforce the Standard Bot Policy with automatic approval? Thanks, Malafaya 10:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it can be used if there are local bureaucrats, and there is a template text for such cases. See Bot policy/Implementation for more information, and feel free to ask me if you have other questions. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:58:03, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

Logo at ext wikipedia

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Hi Pathoschild! I have a problem, i hope you could help me. Sometime ago,i ask you about how to change the logo in the wikipedia, i did the request but the problem is that the logo continue being in english :( I don't know if this is normal (may be they are on holidays) but well... i would like to be sure. Thank you! Better 09:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, our system administrators can be slow to respond to individual requests. You can try poking them in the #wikimedia-tech IRC channel, or constructively commenting on the bug request page so that it reappears in the recent changes. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:15:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

TemplateScript

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Hello Pathoschild.

/* use templates */
	if(form == 'edit') {
		/* append */
		inputbox.value += templates[templateid][2];
	}

This code adds text to bottom of page. Many of templates must be added to top of page. To resolve this problem, we must change the code with this;

	if(form == 'edit') {
		/* append */
		inputbox.value = templates[templateid][2] + inputbox.value;
	}

Thank you --Srhat 13:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Srhat. Yes, that script is intended to append (rather than insert) templates. If you want more control, you might like the more advanced regex menu framework. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:09:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Teochew language code request

Hi Pathoschild,

We are currently requesting for the creation of the Teochew language edition of Wikipedia.

The problem now is that, Teochew is currently classified as a 'dialect' of Minnan and so Teochew currently does not have an ISO-639-3 recognition.

According to Glossika, Teochew has an overall 50.4% of mutual intelligibility with the Xiamen dialect (Minnan). (This can be contrasted with the Galician language having an 85% intelligibility with the Portuguese language [4]).

The Writing system used by the online Teochew community is the modified version of the Guangdong romanization system called "Peng'im". (For example, the "Teochew language" would be written as "Dio7 ziu1 uê7")

The Teochew community do not use the POJ writing system which was adopted on Minnan Wikipedia. Most of them have grave difficulty reading and writing in POJ. In fact, the Taiwanese contributors on Minnan Wikipedia admit that Teochew is distinct enough to be given a separate Wikipedia (See the discussion).

Due to these facts, I believe that the Teochew language is unique enough to deserve being given its own distinct ISO-639-3 language code recognition. I also believe that the online Teochew and Taiwanese Minnan community would be willing to support the creation of a Teochew Wikipedia separate from Minnan Wikipedia.

Would it be possible if you could help submit a Request for Change to ISO 639-3 Language Code form?

Regards, --Jose77 23:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not personally well-acquainted with the ISO 639-3 processes, but I think GerardM will be able to help you. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:27:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:User classes

You'd previously removed the "developers" global right from the template. We've got a RfC at Requests_for_comments/Special_global_permissions regarding creation of a "Sysadmin" global right (separate from the Steward global, but otherwise identical, for both transparency and clarity reasons).

I'd like your opinion on both the proposed right at the RfC and if it may/might be applicable to the User classes template as a (proposed). Thanks! Kylu 21:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Existing groups should be linked from the template, but I don't think we should add proposed groups to it. I'm not sure the proposed 'sysadmin' group is useful (per Simetrical's comment and because sysadmins could use the steward group in the same way), but neither would it be bad. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:37:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Gan Wikitionary

Hi Patho, could you please create a Wikitionary for Gan language. Gan has already her own Wikipedia, so I plan to developpe another wiki projet with others, in order to make a good dictionary of Gan's whole vocabulary. Thank you! --Symane 12:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see Requests for new languages for information relating to starting a new project. Cbrown1023 talk 13:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
[5], [6], it's okay? --Symane 11:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, those are fine. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:43:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

re:Request for global rollback

Thanks. I put some links in the discussion. --.snoopy. 07:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Global bot

Can you explain about global bot? I think global bot is cross-wiki bot status. is it correct?--Kwj2772 07:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. There is a list of wikis called 'standard bot policy', which contains the wikis that have agreed to allow global bots. When a bot is approved for global bot access, it is simultaneously flagged as a bot on all those wikis (and any future wikis that agree to global bots). This reduces workload for both bot operators and communities, since it's no longer necessary to make a new request for every wiki (if the bot is only for accepted uncontroversial tasks). —{admin} Pathoschild 08:09:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Pathoschild. About the set of wikis "Standard bot policy", I see the following log:

04:48, 25 lug 2008 Pathoschild (discussione | contributi) created opt-in based wiki set Standard bot policy with following wikis: aywiki, bawiki, bclwiki, bmwiki, bpywiki, cbk_zamwiki, cdowiki, chwiki, crhwiki, cswikinews, csbwiki, cuwiki, diqwiki, dsbwiki, eowiktionary, frpwiki, furwiki, gawiktionary, ganwiki, gdwiktionary, guwiki, gvwiki, hawwiki, hiwiki, hifwiki, hsbwiki, huwikinews, iewiki, igwiki, ilowiki, iowiki, itwikibooks, itwiki, itwikiquote, iuwiki, jbowiki, kawiktionary, kaawiki, knwiki, kowikiquote, kowikisource, kwwiki, kywiki, ladwiki, liwiktionary, lmowiki, ltwiktionary, metawiki, map_bmswiki, mdfwiki, mkwiki, mnwiki, myvwiki, nawiki, nahwiki, newwiki, novwiki, nvwiki, omwiki, oswiki, pawiki, papwiki, pswiki, rowikiquote, ruwikibooks, rmywiki, sawiki, sahwiki, siwiki, sdwiki, simplewikiquote, skwiktionary, smwiki, sowiki, swwiki, tiwiki, tnwiki, towiki, ugwiktionary, uzwiki, wawiki, wuuwiki, yiwiki, yowiki, zh_min_nanwiktionary ‎ (Wikis using the standard bot policy, for eventual sharing of eligible bot access)

You also included the wikis which decided not to join the standard bot policy (they're metawiki, itwiki and sowiki). Please remove them from the group. :-) --Pietrodn · talk with me 13:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

There are no global bots yet, so the group was initially created with all the standard policy wikis (since it cannot be created empty). Now that some wikis have approved global bots, I'll replace the list with those that have opted in. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:21:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Metawiki subscribes to the standard bot policy. I don't think I've ever seen otherwise. Kylu 03:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
It does, but until recently it was mistakenly listed as not allowing steward approval. I corrected that today. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:29:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

And, it can be applied in wiki which doesn't have "standard bot policy"?--Kwj2772 02:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

It is possible, but the requirements and policy for global bots is defined by the standard bot policy. Are you thinking of a particular wiki, or is that a hypothetical question? —{admin} Pathoschild 03:00:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
We could use you at WM:MSR also, Pathoschild. :) Kylu 04:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Global bot on wuu wikipedia

Hello,

I moved your proposition here, where more people come.

I approve this proposition, because the communauty is very small.

Regards

--Hercule 19:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)