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Hello, Pppery. Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum if you need help with something (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Also worthwhile acquainting yourself with the functions of global user pages. Happy editing!

 — billinghurst sDrewth 21:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

I guess making a post to Meta:RFH (but not Meta:RFD for some reason) makes me well-known. Pppery (talk) 21:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
Or it was time you were welcomed ... or users with redlink talk pages stand out editing in RC and those who don't need to, shouldn't <grin>  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Restricted viewer access in WikiJournals[edit]

Hi. A few people mentioned the issue of restricted viewer access to some files, discussions, and user identities. A discussion was added at Talk:WikiJournal#Hidden_contribution and I thought I should notify you incase you wanted to further comment. I'm happy to add a note under your comment if you prefer, but I wanted to avoid spamming the discussion section. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 14:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Some oddities around Module:Documentation / Template:Documentation. Could you please assist?[edit]

Hello Pppery, could you please assist me with Module:Documentation? Template:Documentation invokes it and somehow is generating all sorts of lint errors, such as having tt, font, and center tags, yet I cannot find any? Do you have any idea why this might be happening? (an example of a tt error flagged that is just template call, same thing for center, example search). Thank you! --TheSandDoctor Talk 22:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

@TheSandDoctor: Linter is rather far from my area of expertise, but I think that that just means that there is a lint error in the doc page somewhere (in this case, there are <tt> tags in the parameters section of Template:Please see/doc and <center> tags in the parameters of Template:User from WMF project/doc). * Pppery * it has begun 22:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yup, that appears to be it! Thanks so much --TheSandDoctor Talk 22:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thank you![edit]

The redirect was a better idea than I had. I appreciate very much you taking the time. :D --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 16:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Notifying main contributors of the page about XfD[edit]


It is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the articles that you are nominating for deletion.

In English WP, it has been consensus for years to extend the practice to all pages, not articles only. Where is my notification? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

I see no point in notifying indefinitely blocked users, because they can't respond. You can see from my user talk namespace contributions that I do generally notify the creators of pages I nominate for deletion. * Pppery * it has begun 19:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
I obviously can respond. It’s you unwilling to listen. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 05:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

BTW you and Fastily fouled up the only live example of table concatenation at en:Wikipedia_talk:Lua/Archive_1 #Returning the concatenation of numerous words. Note that I don’t seek undeletion; I indeed seek apologies. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 21:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Issues with AfroCine MassMessage list[edit]

Hello Pppery -- I wondered if you could help me with something. I'm trying to remove my Wikipedia user page from this AfroCine MassMessage list. However, my attempted edit is being repeatedly perceived as spam (it won't allow me to properly unsubscribe). Could you remove me from this list? Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Done * Pppery * it has begun 00:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Merry Christmas 2021[edit]

Identifying Lobby Teams[edit]

Hi, You archived my Community Wishlist Survey 2022 contribution, but I feel I did not express my case clearly enough. Certainly I am aware of tools like masz, but I am more concerned with corporate efforts rather than individual efforts, and such approaches are not subject to stylometric analysis; instead they are more likely to be identified via analysis of relations between editors, as well as areas of contribution.

For instance, it is not unusual, given any area of expertise, for editors to agree most of the time - however, if they agree *all* of the time then their relationship becomes suspect.

I am not aware of such tools yet existing for wikipedia. (20040302 (talk) 13:33, 11 January 2022 (UTC))Reply

You are talking to entirely the wrong person. All I did was make an edit to the page after it was archived. * Pppery * it has begun 17:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC)Reply


Hi, I see you embedded Special:Contribs in your user page. Is there any way I can embed Special:CentralAuth in mine? I tried and it doesn’t work. Thanks in advance, -📜GIFNK📚DLM💻MMXX🏰 (TALK⌚️📱⌨️🖥🖨🕹💽💾💿📀📸📹🎥📽🎞📠📺📻📡🔋CONTRIBS) 13:09, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Nope, apparently Special:CentralAuth can't be transcluded, even though Special:Contribs can. * Pppery * it has begun 13:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
OK I see. Thank you very much! -📜GIFNK📚DLM💻MMXX🏰 (TALK⌚️📱⌨️🖥🖨🕹💽💾💿📀📸📹🎥📽🎞📠📺📻📡🔋CONTRIBS) 15:27, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Oops, thanks for that[edit]

Thanks for pulling out those stray translate tags. Proofread the message a dozen times, but I think I threw the header in at the last minute. Just curious, what effect did those tags have? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

They made the page appear in the list of pages proposed for translation at Special:PageTranslation, which I've been trying (without much success) to clean out. * Pppery * it has begun 00:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Ah, that’s sub-optimal indeed. Thanks again! Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Looking at that page I randomly see user:JSutherland (WMF)/autoTranslationMarkup.js; wonder if that would help, or if you use something similar? Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
No, I prefer do it manually. I've seen so many pages with translation markup that's badly screwed up (but can't be fixed easily since their are already a ton of translations), that I'm not willing to risk using a script (especially one with the known caveat that "Please note that this script outputs markup that does not completely follow the guidelines for translation markup - it tags each line, which is messy"). A few months ago I fixed several pages where that or a similar script interpreted the opening bracket in an an altered quote as the beginning of a URL and added an unclosed tvar tag resulting in literal translate markup appearing -- in 2017 and no one noticed for five years. Even after I did fix the page, no other tadmin marked the fix for translation for another 3 months (which was what lead me to request translation admin rights). * Pppery * it has begun 00:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Web2Cit/Early_adopters translation[edit]

Hi, Pppery! Thanks for enabling translation for Web2Cit/Early adopters. I saw your comment in your edition's summary and I apologize I hadn't completed all the preparation tasks I was expected to. Actually, I just followed the steps here, where it just says that I have to wrap the whole content between <translate></translate>. I didn't know I had to split the content into translate chunks, or that I had to wrap variables. Maybe the tutorial should be updated to better reflect this? What do you think? Thanks again! Diegodlh (talk) 03:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

I've copied this to mw:Help talk:Extension:Translate/Page translation example#Should mention more about segmentation?. There is some documentation about proper translate markup at mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation administration#Segmentation and locally at Meta:Internationalization guidelines, but both of those are directed at translate admins like myself, not end users like you, so you raise a valid point. * Pppery * it has begun 03:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Also, for what it's worth, I didn't expect you to do it perfectly (as you can tell, it took me 5 edits to properly prepare the page and even then I made a formatting mistake that I didn't catch until just now). All I was expecting was some effort in markup segmentation and tvaring content that isn't translatable like filenames and bits of code. * Pppery * it has begun 03:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Grammar error on article[edit]

I actually caused the grammar error on the Wikimedia_Highlights,_September_2012 page about 10 years ago. I thought I should at least fix it since it's not grammatically correct to read "the Curation Toolbar, which appears next to a new page, offering..." Offering should be "offers," or else it's a sentence fragment with no active verb. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OjdvQ9fNJWl (talk)

Look at the context; it's a list of noun phrases, not a list of sentences, so "offering" is correct. * Pppery * it has begun 14:31, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Revert wording[edit]

Hello, unfortunately I did an revert of Sustainability_Initiative#How_you_can_help. I just want to let you know, I check the number from time to time, so I hope this is ok. I think we should be credible. But I was happy to read your pont of view. KR, --Wikisympathisant (talk) 09:30, 19 May 2022 (UTC)Reply


The last list item (i.e. GRN) is not an admin-grantable user group and therefore should be split from the others. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 14:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Good point. I did indeed miss the context (it looked to me like you were just changing a standalone paragraph to a list for no good reason and in a way that invalidated translations). * Pppery * it has begun 14:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
Fixed (and I violated my usual rule against marking changes that invalidate translations for translation, which was the motivation behind reverting at first). * Pppery * it has begun 14:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Translation question on Web2Cit main page[edit]

Hi Pppery, sorry to bother you with this, but @Diegodlh requested a while ago to mark up the main page of Web2Cit for translation. Turns out that nobody has translated it and we need to make some major updates to the main page to make it more accesible for people that wants to know in a nutshell what the project is about. We were wondering what's the best procedure for this -- shall we archive this page? What we should do? (aside from learning from our mistakes, such as not asking to mark for translation something that's not yet ready, which we sincerely apologize). Any guidance would be extremely helpful! Scann (talk) 23:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Since no one's translated anything of any consequence, you can just make your edits to the page without worrying about past translations. * Pppery * it has begun 23:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Scann (talk) 11:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! (2022)[edit]

Thanks for mark the translation for ESEAP Header ------- GhoziSeptiandri (talk) 14:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome. * Pppery * it has begun 15:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Template:ESEAP Conference 2022 nav/layout[edit]

Hi, Pppery! I saw you helped us mark the template so we can translate it into other languages. I modified the template recently and need your assistance to mark it again for translation. Thank you, and I appreciate your kind assistance. ··· 🌸 Rachmat04 · 12:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

If you don't mind, this page also needs to be marked for translation. Thanks so much for your help! ··· 🌸 Rachmat04 · 12:42, 21 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
Done both. I probably would have gotten to them in a few hours anyway, but no harm in asking me now. * Pppery * it has begun 13:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)Reply


Can I sign up to get an email when the next question period starts? I got two emails saying it was time to vote, but by then the question period had long expired.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Not via any process I'm aware of, but I have no special expertise on this matter other than happening to notice your edit, so that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. * Pppery * it has begun 03:20, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Who would be a good person to ask?Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Talk:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2022 maybe? * Pppery * it has begun 04:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)Reply


For speedily closing that discussion, I misunderstood what you said, and assumed that it was invalid. I won't di that again. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 01:25, 4 September 2022 (UTC)Reply


You wrote that following site is closed:


Why you made an end to it or supposed they do not exist anymore? They are still present @Social Media like:

1) LinkedIn

2) Twitter last tweet 20220618

3) ?

The only thing I know (noticed myself recently since I'm their tweep the server seems down or there is another technical problem :(  Klaas `Z4␟` V14:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

What are you talking about? Diff? If you mean Special:Diff/22322564, then I closed a proposal for Wikimedia to adopt OmegaWiki as stale, which has nothing to do with the status of OmegaWiki. * Pppery * it has begun 15:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. I misinterpreted your decision as meaning to close the project. Sorry, my fault.  Klaas `Z4␟` V15:06, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Missing Marks for translation[edit]

Hello @Ppery:, Could you please edit this page: Template Ambassadors to make it available for translation, there are now just a few sentences available.--Sandra HANBO (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Done * Pppery * it has begun 19:43, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Barnstar for you[edit]

Hard worker
Hard worker

Hello @Pppery, thank you for your tireless work making muti-linguism our movement's superpower. I often see the hard work you do marking pages up for translation. Thank you! मयूर Mayur Paul (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, and you're welcome. * Pppery * it has begun 01:56, 11 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Flag a page for translation[edit]

Hi, how are you? I would like to know who can I flag a page for translation, so that I may translate it to my native language (portuguese)... thank you. Luís Almeida "Tuga1143 15:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

See mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example. Although I primarily handle keeping up with changes to existing pages marked for translation, not adding new ones. * Pppery * it has begun 23:07, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply


Given your edit, could you please reformat the image gallery in 2023 section? The third image should be in the first row - or at least the alignment should be in center. I am not able to fix it. Thanks in advance. ─ The Aafī (talk) 07:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

I can't reproduce the problem - all of the images look properly aligned to me. * Pppery * it has begun 15:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Pppery, what about me sending a screenshot? ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
No, I have little interest in debugging this issue in the first place, especially given that my edit is presumably not responsible for the problem - all it did is stop some translations from showing up in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. * Pppery * it has begun 17:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ties in site rankings[edit]

Good day, any idea on how to fix Wikiquote#Statistics? --Minorax«¦talk¦» 13:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

The reason seems to be that the Finnish and Serbian wikiquotes have the exact same number of articles as each other, which confuses the code that ranks them. This will probably be a temporary phenomenon that will fix itself, but I'll give GreenC, who maintains the bot that updates these, a ping anyway. * Pppery * it has begun 14:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
User:Minorax: I can't see what the error looks like because the # of articles is no longer a tie. I recently updated the JSON data so ties are shown equally ie. 2 sites can share the same rank. This was requested by User:-jem-. I had no idea how this would impact existing users of the data, but honored their request, because we should post the data truthfully and let the end-user application sort out how to handle ties. This is the first I heard it caused a problem. If you can describe what the error looked like that would help. Also pinging User:Johnuniq who has been involved in the template side of the project. -- GreenC (talk) 15:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
I see the error. When there is a tie, one of them (Finnish in this case) ended up in the last row (#72) and looked like:
[[:en:error: language code: -1 not recognized language|error: language code: -1 not recognized]]
No idea where this error string originates, it's not in Module:NUMBEROF or its sub-modules. But NUMBEROF returns -1 in function rank() which is how it signifies an error. -- GreenC (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Probably the way Module:NUMBEROF/rank is programmed will make this difficult to resolve. The associative array indexing depends on a unique site for each rank. I'll wait for reply from Johnunique in case there is an easy fix, otherwise will need to revert the JSON data to strictly sequential ranking. -- GreenC (talk) 16:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
The problem is that Wikiquote/Table uses {{For nowiki|...|count={{NUMBEROF|active|wikiquote}}}} to generate the table. For example, if there are 72 projects, it will list 72 rows. However, if two projects have the same rank, only ranks from 1 to 71 inclusive exist—there is no project ranked #72. I'll think about that. NUMBEROF cheats and overwrites the duplicate rank so only the last project with a particular rank would be shown for that rank. Johnuniq (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hi. I am sorry that this problem has arisen from my request to GreenC; I understand that in the long run the possibility of ties should be contemplated because they better reflect reality and our code should adapt to that, but since GreenC has separated the data version with ties (thanks!), for me it is no longer a problem. -jem- (talk) 20:56, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Why did you write that useful links are "not an improvement"?[edit]

Thanks. Apokrif (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Because they're not useful. Template redirects to a help page on how templates work. CSS redirects to a pointer to a help page on how CSS works. CentralAuth and SUL both redirects to Help:Unified login. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would want to go to any of these pages from reading the page documenting Global interface editors - they're basic-level help most readers of the page would already be familiar with. * Pppery * it has begun 16:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
How do you know what readers of a page are familiar with? Apokrif (talk) 17:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Of course I don't know for sure, but that doesn't change my opinion that the links are likely to be redundant. * Pppery * it has begun 17:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Fat fingers[edit]

Indeed. Thanks for noticing :) (somehow I had not done so until now) EPIC (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Template:Pie chart[edit]

Template:Pie chart isn't showing proper slices according to the data in this page. Would you please have a look at it? And is it possible to align the pie chart to center instead of right and make it bit bigger? I want to show only the pie charts in this page, no other text. BIDROHI Hello.. 20:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why was I specifically asked about this? I'm not a one-man support forum for stuff I've had no involvement with. * Pppery * it has begun 20:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
talk page stalker comment: Not sure about why you were asked about this. @Mrb Rafi I tested at Template:Pie chart/test to see if the latest version from en-wiki should work, but it didn't help. You should consider asking template expert editors, alongside providing a reason why you are seeking their help so that they get the context and may offer their help. Best regards, ─ Aafī (talk) 20:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Pppery, sorry for semi-randomly asking for help. I found you in my watchlist. I created this page earlier, you did a small edit, it came to my watchlist, I checked your other edits in the template namespace and had the feeling that you are a template wizard :")
I am very noob at the template things but I need to make, use and modify them for my regular volunteer activities. I needed to use this template but wasn't sure whom to ask, my watchlist brought me to your talk page. BIDROHI Hello.. 06:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Page cleanup[edit]

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I'm grateful for your recent edits on the IP Editing project pages. Thanks! 🙇 SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations, dear administrator![edit]

Congratulations, Pppery! You now have the rights of an administrator on Meta-Wiki. Please take a moment to read the Meta:Adminstrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat, and Meta:Requests for deletion, but also Talk:Spam blacklist and Talk:Interwiki map), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages. The majority of the actions of administrators can be reversed by the other admins, except for history merges which must thus be treated with particular care. Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikimedia-adminconnect. You may find Meta:Admin handbook to be useful. Please also check or add your entry to the Template:List of administrators. You're also allowed to subscribe to the metawiki-admins private mailing list (subscription instructions on that page). Again, congratulations and welcome to the team. --M/ (talk) 19:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Need for help[edit]

Hello @Pppery, please can you help me to mark these following pages to translate on the current version ?

Just according to your schedule, I remain patient thank you ! Jmb tista (talk) 10:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Looks like all of these have been done by others. * Pppery * it has begun 23:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
thank you so much Jmb tista (talk) 08:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
But please @Pppery, is possible to mark these?
Thanks ! Jmb tista (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Done all. In the future please post these requests to Meta talk:Babylon rather than bothering specific people. * Pppery * it has begun 14:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply


Hi @Pppery, please can you help me marking the following pages with changes for translation:

Best wishes, Car (WAPerú) (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Done all. For future reference these types of requests should go to Meta talk:Babylon. * Pppery * it has begun 15:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. I am taking note of requesting in Babylon in the future. Best regards, Car (WAPerú) (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply