User talk:Riteze

Messages on my talk page

Dear Riteze, please do not spam my talk page. I have removed your messages. You are not aware of few things or acting like. If user is not active, there is no meaning of informing. If a page is in bad situation from long time, it is not needed to inform. Usually information can be send to all the contributors of the page. However, if technical problem is there, any other user can send the message. There is no harm. User pages are not needed to be send messages. If user have created his/her own page, notification will go automatically. If any other user have created the page, that is not as per rules, so no need to be informed. ☆★Sanjeev Kumar (talk) 16:19, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

This was not spamming but genuine concern regarding possible ignorance of wikipedia policies.

You have not referred/linked to any policies which support your above mentioned claims. Therefore, removing above mentioned messages from your talk page is not justified. Riteze (talk) 02:11, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Which policies are supporting your intentional spamming? Please refer that policy. ☆★Sanjeev Kumar (talk) 08:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

I accidentally wrote policies in place of procedures. After adding page removal tag, following is displayed on the underlying page:

''कृपया पृष्ठ निर्माता के वार्ता पृष्ठ पर निम्न साँचा लगा दें :-
{{subst:शीह सूचना-कारण|सहायता:Interlanguage links|व2: परीक्षण पृष्ठ; विकिडाटा प्रयोग में आने के बाद यह अनावश्यक हो गया।}}~~~~''

Riteze (talk) 12:21, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

So, why do not you do that? You were allowed to do that. ☆★Sanjeev Kumar (talk) 15:09, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Currently I am not allowed to do that, otherwise I would have done it. Riteze (talk) 15:26, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Why are you spamming my talk page? If you are not allowed on that wiki, you should not bring your bad intentions to my talk page. ☆★Sanjeev Kumar (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Bad actions have been done by you on wikipedia which were brought to your notice through your talk page because talk pages are meant for communication of concerns. Riteze (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

@Riteze
Whether their actions are bad or not depends on the thoughts of the local community. You alone cannot represent a community (where you yourself are blocked) and then criticize how the admins are working. Please stop. Next time, if you continue to spam other users' talk pages at Meta-Wiki or importing hiwiki dramas here, the result will be a for you. – Phương Linh (T · C · CA · L · B) 18:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing Meta for 1 week due to abuse of editing privileges. Please note that page blanking, addition of random text or spam, deliberate misinformation, and privacy violations are considered vandalism, and will not be tolerated. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires. If you believe the block was placed in error, you may place an unblock request on your talk page using {{unblock|reasons for unblock here}}. //shb (t • c) 21:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC) Unblock tools: block log • gblock log • blocklist • stalktoy • guc • unblock • gunblock • contribs: +/-

Please take this one week off and reflect on your behaviour – multiple people have had issues with your spamming now. While bringing up issues on another wiki isn't problematic on its own, doing so to circumnavigate your blocks is problematic. //shb (t • c) 21:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

I'll take the week off, but want to assert that this was never to circumnavigate any blocks, but to improve upon the functioning, policies and hence the content of the concerned Wikipedia. I was just urging some power users to follow the wiki procedures before taking any impactful actions as sysops privilege is being blatantly abused on Hindi Wikipedia, for example by blocking a new/inexperienced user (having just 5 edits) within 2 hours of his first contribution without any guidance/information/warning to them. Riteze (talk) 01:34, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Ever considered that you yourself may be subconsciously biased against hiwiki sysops since you're blocked over there? //shb (t • c) 02:58, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

No I am not biased against them for the reason of block. I had been working to improve the Wikipedia since earlier by trying to improve/clearly-define the policies by starting discussions after they nominated some of my articles for deletion based on 'blurly defined policies'. They also nominated some useful templates for deletion which were created (by me) for updating old data based on wikidata's latest values. After they removed my pages, I noticed that they have been removing many pages without warning or otherwise without satisfying the page creators. I then started collecting the satisfaction level of the users based on their interaction with admins, which led to recommendation about my block after which they blocked me.

My concern is that they are not allowing many (new/inexperienced) users to stay on Wikipedia by scaring/harrassing them, due to which only about 648 users are currently active out of registered 8,52,204, most of whom have less than 10 edits in last 30 days. riteze (talk) 14:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm afraid everything happens for a reason. If the community hasn't spoken up, why do you feel the need to speak on their behalf? You don't even have the right to speak there. – Phương Linh (T · C · CA · L · B) 14:59, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

They have not allowed the community to build up there, as mentioned in the above post, by consistently harrassing and scaring away the users. Out of the currently active 648 members, most of them are new/inexperienced (having less than 10 contributions in last 30 days) who might not be knowing how and where to speak on such a vast Wikipedia, though some of them try to speak on talk pages of admins.

More than removal of users and pages, I was concerned about unrestricted, at will (mis)use of power, because of which I tried to balance this by starting this discussion. As a fresh example Svartava (talk · contribs) is on a spree of unrestrictively removing user pages and user testpages at will without warning the creators since last two days. riteze (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Everything you're describing is absolutely normal to me. It's a standard mass cleanup aimed at those who come to Wikipedia purely to vandalize or spam, with zero intention of contributing in good faith. This kind of action happens across many wikis, even major ones like the English Wikipedia. Do you really think you're in a position to question the actions of admins across the entire Wikimedia? No, you don’t. – Phương Linh (T · C · CA · L · B) 17:07, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

I don't think that major wikis like English Wikipedia delete any page 'without informing/warning the page creators'. riteze (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

VOA/SOA/LTA doesn't need to be inform/warn-ed. A lot of accounts were (g)(b)locked without making simple edit. – Phương Linh (T · C · CA · L · B) 04:50, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

VOA, SOA and LTA are related to accounts. Regarding pages, en:Wikipedia:Speedy deletion says, "Users nominating a page for speedy deletion should specify which criterion/criteria the page meets, and should notify the page creator and any major contributors.". riteze (talk) 06:01, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

If you think there is still an abuse of power from such hiwiki sysops, I'd definitely recommend you familiarise yourself with the Universal Code of Conduct over the next few days – try see what sections of UCoC they violated, and if you feel they violated UCoC, file a case at Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases after the 8th of May, once your block has expired. //shb (t • c) 06:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Temporary Section

Pages removed from hiwiki in violation of m:Wikimedia Foundation Universal Code of Conduct#2.1 – Mutual respect (i.e. removal of a page without informing/warning the page creator):

• By Svartava (talk · contribs):

logid	page	creator
4507020	सदस्य:Narendra Sharnagat	Narendra Sharnagat
4507044	सदस्य:Kolkataftafat	Kolkataftafat
4507045	सदस्य:Sagar arya 17	Sagar arya 17
4507046	सदस्य:Mmstarmusharrafofficia	Mmstarmusharrafofficia
4507047	सदस्य:Therulernik	Therulernik

riteze (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

User Svartava

@Svartava:, You have been removing a lot of pages from hiwiki since last few days "without informing/warning the page creators" latest being सदस्य:Tghero2. Removal of a page without informing/warning the page creator amounts to violation of Section 2.1 – Mutual respect of UCoC. Please inform/warn the page creators before deleting any page on Wikipedia. Restoring the already deleted pages shall be appreciated. riteze (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

No, it does not. And those pages were deleted in accordance with the local policy. Users are free to put a range of things in there userpages; however, there are certain things they cannot, and some wikis have rules where they delete pages that are considered a non-contributor's misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. The example you gave is one of those cases. Users are free to recreate these pages with relevant information later. Also, warning/informing users is usually done in case by case basis. It is usually not mandatory, however, recommended in some cases. These are not necessarily one of those cases. The pages above are deleted for spam/advertisement or misuse of wikipedia as a webhost which is both valid cause for deletion. So there is no breach of code of conduct in my eyes.

Also, you have been blocked for spamming users with messages despite them telling you not to. I recommend you take this time to reflect and assume good faith on admins as they are trying to keep wikis clean. If you keep on pinging users and continue what got you blocked, your ability to edit your talk page might be blocked as well. Feel free to ask any questions that you have. Thank you!--BRP ^ever 15:18, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

On en:Wikipedia:Speedy deletion#Requesting speedy deletion, it is written that, "There is a strong consensus that the creators and major contributors of pages and media files should be warned of a speedy deletion nomination (or of the deletion if not informed before).". But I fail to understand why hiwiki has not included this in their local policy. riteze (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Hey I get you're frustrated (and that's perfectly fine!); however, if the hiwiki community chooses not to include this in their local policy, that's their loss, really (and sucks for them). But I don't get how it's a UCoC violation? //shb (t • c) 11:52, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

If I join Wikipedia as a new user, an (automatic) welcome message arrives on my talk page containing a lot of links to policies, technical help, processes and procedures. Initially I add some introductory text about myself on my user namespace or create some other page with my limited knowledge about Wikipedia. Then, I am browsing through the links in the welcome message one by one and expetedly clicking through more links on the opened pages.

After a few days, I find my user page or the other page I created vanished. I again create it, it vanishes again the next day (example), without me getting any clue about what is happening. In that case, I shall feel disrespected by Wikipedia. riteze (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

I am sorry you feel that way but your userpage was never deleted on hiwiki, and the pages you created were deleted for reasons. When you try to recreate it, the reason comes up as a notice. I think instead of re-creating them or spamming the talkpage of admins, you could have tired to understand those reasons better. I know it can be frustrating to try and figure things out as a beginner but everyone else is also just volunteering their time, so you have to be patient and understanding. If you want to contribute to a community that has already grown quite large and had a large set of rules and many admins to assist, you can always try enwiki.-- BRP ^ever 16:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

The example you gave is a self-promotion that is out of wikipedia's scope. It has been deleted for a valid reason of not letting wikipedia be misused as a webhost. BRP ^ever 16:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

It is an envisioned situation put in first person voice just for the explanation purpose. It never happened with me. The example I quoted above has also been picked up randomly from the recent activity. riteze (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

It's alright. As long as you understand the situation. Thank you.--BRP ^ever 16:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

By the way, that message was written not to express my feelings, but as a reply to the question posed by //shb regarding UCoC violation. riteze (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, and Universal Code of Conduct#2.1 – Mutual respect has not been breached in this case. People can feel disrespected without the other parties intent to disrespect them. I do not think admins are trying to disrespect anyone by deleting the page that they consider against their local policy. You can present a case to UCoC if you think one is necessary but let me remind you that it is likely to get declined.-- BRP ^ever 17:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but my contention is not about page deletion but about prior information (and therefore, time for improvement) before page deletion. Because of this, I wanted to request the admins of hiwiki regarding including the following clause:

"that the creators and major contributors of pages and media files should be warned of a speedy deletion nomination (or of the deletion if not informed before)."

into their speedy page deletion policy. riteze (talk) 17:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

You need to gain a local consensus for that which you cannot initiate when blocked. Also, the admin clearly doesn't want you to spam his talkpage further. Your best bet is to get an unblock from local admin. As I reminded you above, if you just go back to doing what got you blocked, you will only be blocked again. I guess we are going in circles, but please consider my points and try not to get the block extended. BRP ^ever 18:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

They don't necessarily have to. That is the consensus enwiki came up with, which makes sense for them. If another wiki chooses to do things differently (and sometimes it makes sense, like they might not have good admins to task ratio) it is fine too. If there are too many tasks for a small teams of admins, it might be wiser to omit making some tasks mandatory. If the issue is persistently repeated then it makes sense to warn/inform them or block depending on the nature of the case you are dealing with.-- BRP ^ever 12:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Svartava:, a new user Jftyku (talk · contribs) on hiwiki has been blocked by you for the reason of spam/spambot without guiding/warning them on their talk page. Wikimedia foundation expects mutual respect and mutual support from all of the users of Wikipedia. Blocking new users without warning or guiding appears to be disrespectful and unsupportive towards them. You are requested to unblock such users and if necessary, warn them regarding their possible block. Thanks. Riteze^Talk 19:11, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Spambots and spam-only accounts are frequently blocked without warning. The page they created was purely promotional page containing various spam links and advertising an app, which any admin can verify from hi:Special:DeletedContributions/Jftyku. – Svārtava (tɕ) 19:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Riteze, I'd hoped you take the one week off to reflect, but you still decided use your talk page to spam hiwiki users despite that being what landed you a block in the first place. As such, I've extended this to an indef with your talk page access revoked. When you feel ready for an unblock (please, take at least 1 month off), feel free to send me an email and I'll reinstate your talk page access when you can demonstrate you've learned from what landed you a block here. //shb (t • c) 05:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

User अजीत कुमार तिवारी

Hi @अजीत कुमार तिवारी:, there are many queries of users of hiwiki on your talk page which have not yet been answered by you. Wikimedia foundation expects mutual respect and mutual support from all of the users of Wikipedia. Ignoring the users queries as an admin appears to be disrespectful and unsupportive towards them. You are requested to kindly answer the queries of the users, at least those which are pending since last three months on your hiwiki talk page. Thanks. Riteze^Talk 18:16, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

User संजीव कुमार

Hi @संजीव कुमार:, a number of users of hiwiki have been blocked by you without guiding/warning them on their talk pages. Wikimedia foundation expects mutual respect and mutual support from all of the users of Wikipedia. Blocking users without warning or guiding appears to be disrespectful and unsupportive towards them. You are requested to kindly unblock such users and if necessary, warn them about the possible block. Riteze^Talk 19:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)