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"Final group"?

In your langcom mailing list post, you say that those 5 are final group of pre-2010 series requests that are not verified as eligible (are on hold+discussion), but fwiw there's also those requests available:

  1. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Southern Min written with Hanji (you mentioned last year but still have no decision, PS: I suggest to reject that one in favor of phab:T165882, where their community agreed to create a namespace for Hanji contents of Southern Min);
  2. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Chinuk wawa (on hold, waiting for native speakers);
  3. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Balochi and Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Eastern Balochi (more complex, mentioned by me at langcom talk page);
  4. Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Pitcairnese (on hold, waiting for native speakers? But they just already have a Wikipedia.)

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Thanks. I know about those.
  • With respect to Southern Min/Hanji, I figured that this one needed to be part of a larger discussion about when it is more appropriate to have separate projects for separate scripts and when to use script converters, extra namespaces and so forth. I wasn't aware of T165882, and frankly that task was a little hard for me to navigate in total. Does it look like this will really happen in some form or another? If so, I'll close it as "rejected by policy" (which it would be), because the issue has been (will have been) satisfactorily addressed through an in-wiki solution.
  • With respect to the Balochi projects, I'm waiting for Satdeep, and figured would address those at that point (along with a later request).
  • With respect to Chinuk wawa, I was simply going to let that sit there. But if LangCom accepts this idea of "rejected as stale", I guess I'll just do that.
  • With respect to Wiktionary Pitcairnese, I could either close as "rejected-as-stale" or make "eligible" since a different project already exists. Any thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 10:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Montenegrin Wikipedia

Regarding the Montenegrin project, we’ve written over 1.200 articles on Incubator. Lots of linguistic differences have been written in the discussion page (I know you wanted the “extra evidence” given to SIL but as Adnan Čirgić, establisher of Montenegrin standard said in an interview linked in discussion, this doesn’t exist since technical mistakes had dragged out the process, not them thinking it’s not a language). We’ve started to show examples of violations of NPOV on other Wikis where they are malicious and directed against Montenegrins. I am afraid that members of LangCom do not pay enough attention to this project, and even those who do such as Amir, missed key points (in the concrete example Amir literally missed the number of speakers, let alone all the points we made). Or that they do not understand the complicated nature of this subject which we tried to explain but most probably exactly 0 of them will read. Are there any further suggestions or ways to develop the discussion in some new ways since I’m afraid that it’s going to get quite a bit heated now that historical topics are being mentioned. And is there a way for LangCom members to actually pay attention to this project and carefully read trough the discussion, and not just ignore everything and repeat the same argument over and over again (it’s same, there’s nothing written in there, political project...) since we’ve dedicated so much time to this, it’d be fair from their side at least to read it.—Lujki (talk) 22:03, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

P.S. I know I’m a bit annoying with all these questions and requests and I’m sorry about that. I just want for this project to get a fair chance to be created. That’s why I’d really appreciate a response to the post above, which I hope you haven’t understood as a critic, it really was not, in any way. Just a concern I wanted to share with you, as I am afraid not everyone at LangCom understands the complex nature of this request (regardless of their position for/against it).—Lujki (talk) 19:17, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

mel vs. bfg

In your [1], you changed mel to bfg, but recently I checked SIL pages iso639-3:mel and iso639-3:bfg, they are really different languages that point to Central Melanau and Busang Kayan. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Things were messed up on that page, and I just made them worse. Thanks for catching me. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikipédia Guyanais !

Salut, excuse moi, est ce que tu sais comment faire pour avoir le logo du Wikipédia Guyanais, STP ?! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 15:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: Va aux trois pages-ci:
Bonne chance! StevenJ81 (talk) 19:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Incubator Nahua languages.

Buenas tardes Steven, como caballero ya le respondí a sus preguntas en menos de 72 horas Incubator:User talk:Marrovi, y estoy para aclarar todo lo que usted quiera saber sobre las lenguas náhuatl, pues para eso somos amigos y cuento con muchos libros sobre lenguas nahuas que pueden servir. Pues no soy un usuario ordinario, tengo muchos años estudiando las lenguas nahuas y he trabajado con muchas personas que hablan náhuatl de forma nativa tanto en mi país como fuera de mi país. Me ha sorprendido mucho ahora que se empezaba a trabajar muy bien con las lenguas nahuas, me ponga el pie y de la noche a la mañana sale un usuario del que nunca he visto hacer cosas positivas por las lenguas nahuas, nunca he leído algún trabajo, web o conferencia, tampoco he visto sus trabajos doctorales sobre náhuatl de Bekerly; hasta este momento solo busca entorpecer mi trabajo, se mofa de mi y se pone de acuerdo para buscar pretextos de violación de todo, haciendo creer a medio mundo que yo soy el culpable de todo y que él un ser inmaculado, por la envidia y coraje que le ha generado todo esto lo único que busca solo bloqueos, bloqueos y bloqueos, haciéndose la víctima de que nunca está involucrado y eso lo provoco yo, pero gracias a muchos usuarios de wikipedia, me mandan los mensajes de lo que les escribe y lo que conspira contra mi, ese es su verdadero trabajo. Si de un amigo suceden cosas de mala leche, ahora imagine usted ¿Qué podré esperar de un enemigo?, no me gusta que se juegue conmigo yo no soy un payaso, soy una persona que le gusta estudiar, le gusta trabajar y mi vida es muy digna como la miles de seres humanos, es mejor ser claro y decir las cosas de frente, así es como la gente noble y de muy buena reputación actúa. Si he dicho algo malo o haya hecho algo que le moleste, le pido una disculpa, nunca he tenido la intensión de afectarlo o pasarme de listo con usted porque usted me parece una persona agradable y recta.--Marrovi (talk) 21:51, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Tengo mucho trabajo bien realizado y además estoy asesorado de hablantes nativos cuando hago mis ediciones; Incubator:Wp/nhn/Tochtli, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Tochmeh, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Alotl, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Huehxolotl, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Ocelotl, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Malinalco, Incubator:Wp/nch/Mexko, Incubator:Wp/nch/Palach, Incubator:Wp/nci/Teutontlālpan, etc. Lamentablemente solo se quiere mostrar lo malo o los errores, pero no se muestra lo bueno de mi trabajo, si fuera una mala mala persona no habría editado este traductor en línea [2].

Tengo mucho trabajo reconocido respecto al náhuatl o las lenguas nahuas, tanto en mi país como en el extranjero, no soy un editor ordinario, creo que tengo conocimientos de las lenguas nahuas y además lo he demostrado. [3], yo ya cumplí mi palabra de explicar lo que me pedían, ahora espero que usted cumpla su palabra de quitarme el bloqueo. Le dejo mis imágenes para que se convenza de que no soy nuevo en el tema de las lenguas nahuas y las lenguas indígenas de México, Ojalá de la misma forma que yo le muestro mis trabajos y mis actividades en lenguas náhuatl, así también le mostraran a usted públicamente sus trabajos y sus actividades, ya que es es muy fácil criticar, ofender y burlarse, pero es difícil hacer equipo, colaborar en conjunto en pro de un proyecto que sea útil llamado lenguas náhuatl.--Marrovi (talk) 01:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Taller sobre lengua náhuatl en archivos, Universidad de Varsovia y Archivo General de la Nación.jpg
Everything you need to know about Nahuatl languages or about any problem, I can help you and respond immediately, I am not a wizard, I can not guess if you want to know something or ask me about a doubt, I have certified knowledge about the Nahuatl languages, but If something I do not know, I can ask friends who are native speakers.

I'm not ordinary editor, I can help you about nahuatl languages, I'm studing Nahuatl languages since 2003, I have meetings with academics and native speakers. I have many books and a lot of material about the Nahuatl languages.--Marrovi (talk) 15:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Again the answer

Shalom Steven.

Question 1. How many pages (approximately) have you copied from Huiquipedia to Incubator? Let me point out to you that ... You are allowed to copy. When you copy, you must add attribution for the source. You have to say where you copied things from. If you did not do that, you are in violation of copyright under CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL. And copyright violation can result in a block.

I was copied 31 articles from Huiquipedia to incubator.--Marrovi (talk) 17
46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Question 2. I note from the discussion we had at m:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Nahuatl Wikipedia 2 that the question of just what language(s) the Nahuatl Wikipedia is written in is not so clear. But it does seem pretty clear that Classical Nahuatl (nci) is certainly a language used in that project. So I do not see why we would have a project Wp/nci. How do you justify that?
Central nahuatl is Life language, Classical Nahuatl is dead language.--Marrovi (talk) 17
46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
The case around Central Nahuatl (nhn) is a little less clear, but on the whole I also wonder why we have a project Wp/nhn. Please explain that, as well. (Remember: two sentences, not a whole essay.)
Question 3. If so many pages you copy of Nahuatl Wikipedia to different tests here are identical, then why do we need multiple tests here? Recall that LangCom is not willing to approve tests when the language is not noticeably different from that of an existing test. Please explain.

Please answer these questions. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:34, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Huiquipedia is a jumble of words, words invented by users, mix Classical Nahuatl language with different life languages, that generates confusion and deception, that's why created (nci), so that once again the articles are hailed, be clear only in classic Nahuatl and not in inventions; that's why I copied them and pasted them in Incubator as (nci).--Marrovi (talk) 17
46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Señor Steven; Ya está explicado todo ¿Ahora que prosigue?.--Marrovi (talk) 18:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I respect a Shabbat, but now you can answer me my friend. You are witness that the questions were answered, as a gentleman I gave my word and my answers. Have you a nice day.--Marrovi (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I write to User talk:MarcoAurelio in Spanish language, because is other witness in this case.--Marrovi (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Bengali Wikivoyage for langcom approval

Hello Steven, Could you please propose to langcom to approve Bengali Wikivoyage? Last 4 months, we have been working on this project, we have good number of editor & 320 good articles. Thank you. --Aftabuzzaman (talk) 13:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Aftabuzzaman: You really are close, and I'm going to add your project at Incubator:Featured wikis. The main question people may have is whether there are really enough pages yet. See Wikivoyage: consider that except for Hindi Wikivoyage, which was approved prematurely, no other independent Wikivoyage has fewer than about 800 pages. LangCom is hesitating to approve another Wikivoyage test about 100 pages smaller than yours. Try to push over 400 mainspace pages, and then let's have another look. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for reply. I will communicate this message to our voyage editors. It will take at least one month to complete 400+ articles. I will let you know. thank you again. --Aftabuzzaman (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Steven, we have created 410+ articles. Please take a look. what do you think about articles quality? Is it possible to request about approval of Bengali Wikivoyage? --Aftabuzzaman (talk) 19:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
It's about 20:30 local time for me. Will try to have a look tomorrow. StevenJ81 (talk) 00:23, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Notification of suspension

For extended use of the admin tools, you have made admin policy useful. As such, your access to administrator tools have been suspended for the 1st of April.

Best regards, --Artix Kreiger (Message Wall) 14:58, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Artix Kreiger: (grinning sigh) Sometimes, I'd be very pleased to have my access suspended! Thanks for your good wishes. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

curious...

An RfC or something similar was announced here, and some people are curious even if we don't contribute. What's the status of that? 71.223.30.3 06:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

It hasn't happened just yet. Remember, we're all volunteers, and the person who really needs to head that up couldn't get to it yet. I expect it to get underway in the next week or so. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Huquipedia

User:Cuiatl wrote this article nah:Gustavo Adolfo Becquer, this person no Mexican, no Indigenous people, but Wikipedia is a free and globalized encyclopedia, that is why I am not opposed to the publication of articles like these even though it has nothing to do with Mexican indigenous culture, it's a sing of the Huquipedia users are not native speakers of Nahuatl languages, they only invent texts and articles that nobody will be able to correct or to indicate mistakes, their references are invented words as Maxaliuhcayotl, in references was wrotten this text; quinezcayotia romanticismo (Ma xiquitta in tlahtoltecpanaliztli tehtlahtol). Maxalihuini (noihuan maxaliuhqui) quihtoznequi apasionado, romántico, embobado, embelesado nozo encaprichado.

Invented words in this article nah:Gustavo Adolfo Becquer; omontetl, tlahtollaliani, Maxaliuhcayotl [2], maxalihuini tlahuehcauhtli, ohuehhuechihualoc, zatepamaxalihuini[3], quixahcicaittac, itetlapanotlaliz, icennenahualiz, mahuizotl, Tlahtollaliztli, tlahtollotl, tlatocalli, tlacehcentlaliztli, amoxcuiloliztli, españayotl. (Electronic classical nahuatl dictionary Search here).

I tried in incubator to improve things but once again Akapochtli sought to close the way for anyone to tell of their wrongdoing in Huiquipedia. He says he writes in (nhn), Central Nahuatl, but you have just realized that Akapochtli has an ignorance of Central Nahuatl confusing it with classic Nahuatl, or manipulating the confusion to ignore the subject. It is regrettable that the amount of invented words and texts that only Akapochtli understands in Huquipedia continues to be defended. If Akapochtli wants to control everything in Huquipedia is because behind his arguments is the manipulation that will always attack any person who is aware of the errors and their bad work, and also for everything seeks blockades becoming the victim that blocks because it's assaulted.

If you are interested, we can review each article published in Huquipedia to show everything that is said there, and you will see the large number of words invented and texts with personal turns of mestizos without acesoría of native speakers, because Nahuatl is not equal to Spanish thought , I am already very tired, I am disillusioned with wikipedia and I do not have much encouragement to edit; but I have knowledge of the subject and for that reason I dare to give opinion, I feel bad that they are rejected of the projects only to clarify the truth, but I can not lie, that is part of my personal values. Regards--Marrovi (talk) 00:33, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Huiquipedia 2

Hello Steven, I am writing to you to see that in Huiquipedia there is no such correction or revision of each article, because anyone who ignores the Nahuatl languages ​​will not be able to realize the amount of errors in the editions.

Once AndresXXV is another Spanish-speaking mestizo with whom Akapochtli tries to manipulate the situation that is making a correct revision of the articles. Well today I was reading the article nah:Opuntia ficus-indica and I found a number of invented words that are not part of the vocabulary of Central Nahuatl or Classic Nahuatl, that does not deceive Akapochtli or AndresXXV of speaking Nahuatl languages, it is very sad that these people defend a project and have created a Nahuatl of them and not a Nahuatl that we have all studied in universities.

The structure of syntax and format corresponds to Spanish and never to Nahuatl languages. To begin with, the real Nahuatlatos do not understand or write in Latin, since the classification of the taxonomy in Latin and to name the plants and animals in Latin or scientific name It is typical of Spanish speakers and never of Nahua speakers; Nahua speakers would say nejpali, nojpali, nohpalli, nochtli, tenochtli, nohpalitl, panujle or tomojli, but never opuntia ficus-indica; Each Nahua language calls this plant in different ways as we have just seen.

in imacehualtoca nohpalli, according to AndresXXV, did he say that the Indigeous people call, but what the natives call nohpalli? In Mexico there are many different groups to the Nahua people and also these are macehualli (indigenous people), buy Nahua people is nahuatlacah, as soon as nahuatlacah itoca nohpalli. Plant in Classical nahuatl and Central nahuatl is quilitl. Akapochtli or AndrewXXV invented the words centlamantli (object?), tlanelhuayotl (plant?), neneuhcayotl (category?) and ixipihtolli (description?), icoquitihuan (gloquidios), words that will never appear in Nahuatl dictionaries but only they understand them because native speakers and students of classical Nahuatl will never understand them (Electronic Classical nahuatl dictionary Search here).

I'm sorry that Steven is tricked all the time by Akapochtli to defend Huiquipedia, you just realized that Huiquipedia is an unsuccessful project that is edited by Hispanic students of Nahuatl and that the structure of the The language is Spanish language but never by native speakers of Nahuatl.

Nohpalli in Central Nahuatl (nhn) is like that, according to the John Sullivan's dictionary; Nohpalli or Nehpalli; ce tlamantli tzontli tlen eli zan cuatitlan huan millah; moquetza zancualtzin; ixihuiyo tilahuac, xoxoctic, pahpatlactic, huan quipiya miac ihuitzo. Inanan Carmela quichiuhqui nehpalli ica nacatl, huan mocauhqui tlahuel ahhuiac; page 332, Tlahtolxitlauhcayotl, 2016., Central Nahuatl is very, very different to Classical Nahuatl language. Regards --Marrovi (talk) 00:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Clarity of the Simple French proposal?

Hi, Steven!

A few years ago I created a proposal for the creation of a Simple French Wikipedia: Requests for new languages/Wikipedia French Simple 3. It is a major world language (it's a very common second language in Africa) and has a standardized simplified form. I am unable to go further with the creation of a test wiki as it hasn't been activated yet.

There have been several Wikipedians who have expressed interest in making simple French articles. How may this go forward?

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 18:34, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Marrovi

Hola Steven; he visto que ya me bloqueó Katxis para siempre en Djudeo-Español, podría yo saber ¿Cuándo terminará la revisión? ¿O cúando será la fecha de la revisión terminada aproximada?, para yo saber si cumplió su palabra de caballero de voy regresar a editar en djudeo-español y no me tomaron el pelo con el bloqueo; lo que pasa es que no veo a nadie revisando el supuesto ladino correcto.

Si esto fue solo un engaño, sería mejor que me digas ahora mismo de favor, Manu no queremos que edites en ladino, nos caes muy mal y no nos gusta trabajar contigo, yo creo que eso debe ser lo correcto y esto si es de caballeros. Yo tiendo que no sea apreciado por vosotros pero lo correcto es decir eso. Así ni ustedes se burlaron de mí y yo no pierdo mi tiempo. ¿Si fui muy claro o debo explicarlo?. Saludos.--Marrovi (talk) 18:42, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Steven, I read through some of the threads about the Nahuatl dispute. Perhaps getting a third party expert to review the claims and counterclaims would be a good idea? Perhaps give a telephone call to the contacts at http://www.inali.gob.mx/ (National Institute of Indigenous Languages of Mexico) and see if they can arrange to have somebody review the material. Getting a third party IMO is important. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:34, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Huiquipedia

Hi. Excuse my bad English.

The old Mexican language is the heritage of all Mexicans. It is not the heritage of an ethnic group or native speakers of the mother tongue. I think that would be racism!

I am Mexican and Marrovi does not represent me. Marrovi says he represents all the Mexican natives, but this was not accredited by him.

An example. Marrovi said that hedgehog ( erizo ) is huitztochtli (Mexican word, Aulex dictionary —Marrovi—). But he says it is now erizo (word in Spanish). Maybe the natives have changed their opinion?

Goodbye.--Cuaitl (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Need your help

Hei Pashto Wikivoyage (ps.wikivoyage.org) is missing in www.wikivoyage.org template, Could you please add pashto wikivoyage also ?

  • Travel Guide in Pashto (د سفر لارښود)
  • Wikivoyage in Pashto (ويکيسفر) --Olasyar (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
@Olasyar: Will work on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Protesting decision on Gronings Wikipedia

Hello (again?). I think you must have copied-and-pasted some parameters for Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Norwegian Wikinews 3 as outcome to "keep" outcome to "delete/redirect" in the proposals for closing projects. Did you mean "close"? May you or I please correct it? --

..Why am I not surprised? I have to say I am quite disappointed that you negate the discussion so quickly without trying to keep an open mind. I've yet to see a definitive answer about how a dialect is too close to having its own wiki especialy when West Frisian and Zeelandic which barely resemble their pasts and that their only advantage over Gronings is that they enjoy some national level status while they lack the richness that Gronings has to offer. Eitanish (talk) 20:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Eitanish: I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to get at with the boxed content here. Also, I'm not quite sure why you think we "negate[d] the discussion so quickly". It was open for nine months, and nobody but you supported your proposals.
Here are a couple of points to consider:
  • Frisian Wikipedia and Zeelandic Wikipedia are entirely besides the point here. They were created before the current policy was established and are grandfathered in. It's questionable whether or not they would be permitted now—but that's a moot point, because they exist.
  • Similarly, it's pretty unlikely that we'd have both Low German Wikipedia and Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia if they were up for approval today—they would probably be combined. Again, a moot point.
  • I'm not sure there is "a definitive answer about how a dialect is too close to having its own wiki". LangCom decides these on an individual basis. But I will say that where there is already a pattern in place where different dialect groups are working together in a single project productively, LangCom is less interested in then spinning one of them off. In this case, there are a few Wikipedias from this part of the world that serve what one might just as easily call a cluster of dialects as a single language:
    • One is Alemannic Wikipedia, which includes content in Swiss German, Badisch, Alsatian and Swabian. Swabian, at least, has its own language code, I might add.
    • Another is the Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia, which includes content in nine dialects, including Achterhooks (ISO code act), Drèents (drt), Sallaans (sdz), Stellingwarfs (stl), Tweants (twd), Urkers, East Veluws and West Veluws (which share vel)—and Gronings.
  • For this reason, LangCom saw no need for a completely separate project.
I would actually like to see you create content in Gronings. For now, create that content in the Low Dutch Wikipedia, in the Category and Portal for Gronings. In a number of ways, you'll find this easier than starting a new project yourself. Infrastructure is in place, policies have already been established, and you can focus on creating content.
Please let me know if you have additional questions. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Next steps for the wish “confirmation prompt for the rollback link”

Logo Feedback round in the Technical Wishes project.png

Hello, a while ago you participated in a feedback round about a proposal how accidental clicks on the rollback link could be avoided. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and ideas!
Looking at the feedback and the rollback situation in different wikis, the development team decided how to approach this wish: As a default, most wikis won’t have a confirmation. But users who wish to have one, can enable it in their preferences, which will add a confirmation prompt to the rollback link on the diff page and on the list pages. The prompt won’t be a pop-up, but an inline prompt like for the thanks confirmation. You can read more about the planned solution and what influenced this decision on the project page. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:52, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia

Oh no, dont worry, in fact it's one of my biggest dream to create the Guianan Wikipedia, so it's surely I was not expecting it to be done in my place !

That is, I created the Main Page and now what should I do to create the Guianan Wikipedia ???

This section was archived on a request by: StevenJ81 (talk) 20:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

speedy deletion

Hi. On meta, how to nominate a user page for speedy like this one: User:Meraj ek pehchaan? Kindly oing while replying. Regards, —usernamekiran(talk) 06:47, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: Yes check.svg Done In the future, simply mark with the template {{delete}}. Please note the reason and add a signature. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
thank you :) —usernamekiran(talk) 06:26, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia (It's me, again) !

Tell us what's missing this time ! The last time you told us that for the project to be approved, it has to have more pages filled than drafts, that's exactly what we did, we filled about 80% of the pages , what do you want more, the rest we prefer to fill them quietly when the project will be approved, but anyway, answer us and di us what we still forgot to do, because seriously we really want to give up, the it becomes more a project, but a test to become president of United States lol -_-  !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 21:03, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: StevenJ81 (talk) 20:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Meta:Requests for adminship/StevenJ81 (2)

Done, you are now a regular local admin here :). Matiia (talk) 17:50, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, and congratulations. Did you requested access to the Meta-Wiki admin list by chance? I got a subscription request from, I think, an email adress of yours. I'd like to be sure, however, it was you. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Marco. Yes, that was me. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks. I'll handle the subscription once I got a minute. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:10, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your work!

Hey, just wanted to say thank you for your janitorial works on here and on Incubator! — regards, Revi 15:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Tanks. Me love cookie. But where me find kosher stroopwafel? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:31, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Uhm, that's a good question, even if I don't know the answer... I found this with "kosher" stroopwafel @ google, but I don't know the what is permitted and what is not under kashrut... — regards, Revi 16:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. Thanks! Emojione 1F609.svg
It wasn't obvious to me if I needed to order a massive quantity of stroopwafels in order to get them to do a kosher run, or if I could put in an order that said something like, "Next time you do a kosher run, make me a box of ..." or something like that. We'll see; anyway, my waistline doesn't really need stroopwafels. (sigh) StevenJ81 (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Western Armenian Wikipedia

I have now added my thoughts on page Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Western Armenian. What is your take on the issues raised by me in the August 2018 section. More particularly, what are your thoughts on allowing us to add test pages in Western Armenian in this new wiki space IF there are NO Western Armenian articles of the subject(s) in present Armenian Wikipedia's Western Armenian content. I would be ready to produce 100 to 200 ORIGINAL MATERIAL articles presently not found in Western Armenian. To promote further discussion, it would be preferable you respond on Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Western Armenian rather than here. Werldwayd (talk) 14:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Shortened form for simple.wiki

Hello, thanks for your work in the LangCom. I just noticed on Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Simple English Wikipedia (3) that the shortening "SEWP" was used. It confused me, because se.wikipedia is the Northern Sami Wikipedia. Out of respect for the Sami projects, I'd prefer the "SE" code not be used for English. Thanks, Nemo 15:09, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: I am happy to change the formal closure, and will do so. However, please understand that such shortening is not uncommon within the communities of the Simple English projects. Accordingly, besides changing the formal closure:
  • I am not going to change all of the appearances of "SE" below that on the page. By context, it is clear that it refers to Simple English, and not Northern Sami. (And it appears in capitals, which ordinary language codes do not.)
  • I will do what I can going forward to make sure that at least on Meta, SE is not used further to refer to Simple English.
  • If you want to try to get the communities at Simple English Wikipedia and Simple English Wiktionary to change their practices even on their own projects, that is up to you; I am not going to go there. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Western Armenian translation

You are doing admirable work and this is very much appreciated. I have now translated for you the rules and regulations of the Western Armenian Wikipedia that you had created on incubator:Template:Wp/hyw Here is my Western Armenian translation of your text that you can use on the same page Check my translation at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werldwayd/Articles-Test1001 I trust you to post it yourself as this will show your posting data whereas had I posted it myself my user name would have appeared... Werldwayd (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipédja Gwiyannen !

Hi, it's me again, sorry if I was not connected in the last few days, it's because I had big personal problems and I'm probably going to live, at least for a while in Canada. next month, I know you think that I purposely harass you, but that's because this project is really important to me and my community, because the original Guianan Creole is disappearing the fact that it is close and very much like French which is unfortunately the only official language of French Guiana, and I thought that by creating the Guianan Wikipedia, the language would have had a chance to be reborn in some ways, and I wanted to do that with the community and my association before going to live in Canada, but I do not know what we forgot to do so that you did not want to approve this project, please help us, tell us one last time what to do and we promise we will !

Maybe if we delete all the useless pages and we keep only 500 pages that we fill as much as possible with at least 5 paragraphs, you think that it will be enough for a possible activation of the project, or something other than we forgot to do ??! Please help us, help me to realize one of my greatest dreams, especially during this difficult time that I am passing and that I feel that nothing succeeds me if you please help us !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 15:01, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Just because I can't always answer the same day does not mean I'm not willing to answer. We're all volunteers, and you sometimes need to be at least a little patient.
I want to discuss the current status of the project with a couple of people at this point. I want to make sure that I'm not asking more of your page quality than I have a right to ask. I don't think that's true, but in any case it's more than time to have some other eyes looking at this. @MF-Warburg, SPQRobin, and Ooswesthoesbes: Please have a look at incubator:Wp/gcr and let me know if you think the project's pages are still too stubby, or whether it can be considered for approval. (Other requirements are satisfied.) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I just did the usual 10 random pages test. My conclusion is the following:
  1. 3 pages of the Gana-type: too short to even be named a stub
  2. 4 year articles, ranging from the type 1792 until 1907
  3. 3 pages of the Kolonyalism-type: stubs, with Son (fyzik) being the longest
For that reason, I would consider this test underdevelopped, because the contents is still very monotone (country, year-based), and rather stubby. However, as there is not necessarily an absence of contents, I would rather advise the community to halt the creation of stubs, and instead focus on expanding the contents that is already there. It is pretty clear that there are many qualitatively good pages, such as Amérik di Sid, so it should be possible to create a set of pages with the same length and contents as that one. When you got enough pages like that, just present them to us, and - as far as I'm concerned (although I'm not the one who has to deal with that) - the test should be good to go. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I agreee with your assessment. --MF-W 22:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
@LeGuyanaisPure: As you can see, this is pretty consistent with what I've been telling you in recent months.
Still, OosWesThoesBes has a good point that I hadn't quite caught previously: You have a large number of "year" stubs and a large number of "geography" stubs. But what does the rest of the project look like?
I see you have about 2 500 pages now. Figure about 1 000 are year pages. Figure about 500 are geography pages. That leaves about 750 other pages to look at, plus whatever geography pages are not stubs. So I'll try to focus on that a little bit more.
What pages should you and your team focus on? Consider that Guyanais Wikipedia is not likely (any time soon) to become a full substitute for a large Wikipedia (French, in this case) as a general reference source. So what is the best place you can bring value to the Guyanais-speaking community? In my opinion, it would be on subjects of fairly local interest within Guyane:
  • Personalities within Guyane and neighboring places (and France, I imagine)
  • Geographic features of Guyane and neighboring places (and France)
  • Flora and fauna of Guyane and neighboring places
...I think you get the idea. And you should especially focus on items that are notable with respect to local interests, but may not have caught the attention of contributors to French Wikipedia.
Some time in the next few days I will do another "random 10" or "random 20" search, but completely ignoring "year" stubs and geography stubs. And I'll let you know how close I think you are. Hope this is helpful. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:56, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Oooh, uuuhh, okay, now at least we know what you consider "pretty filled article" like "Amérik di Sid" and okay we don't create more articles, we focus instead on filling existing ones, and above all we are busy filling out articles about Guiana, its neighboring countries and France.

@StevenJ81: you see it, you still give us work, while we could have done it calmly without stress, once the Guianan Wikipedia created, but okay we go back to work !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

There is no need to be stressed. If you show us your good will to expand the short articles and present us with a decent list of articles, LangCom will be more willing to accept the new subdomain :) --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:46, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Archive notice

For anyone looking for archived discussions here: I just reorganized things a little bit. So please look at the archive index if you want to find something, rather than depending on the bot's edit summary. Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ottoman Turkish 4

Some days ago, you converted the status of this request from "verification ongoing" back to "discussion".

After that, I started a survey under "General comments" section that if those users are still supporting or opposing it, none of supporters responsed, and two opposers said that those supporters are political harasses only, and the entire project is just machine transliterated from trwiki, I've also sent an ombudsman privately to run a Checkuser and they said that contributors of incubator:Wp/ota are Likely Likely sockpuppets, so in my opinion we should reject this. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

As for the test project, as per above, this should even not be migrated to Wikia or Miraheze, that should be deleted immediately, and for Wp/ota itself, it should mention that a non-Wikimedia project in this language should be created on Wikia or Miraheze from scratch. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

  • @Liuxinyu970226: Neither you nor the ombudsman had any business privately running a Checkuser. If there was reason to believe there was a violation warranting a checkuser, it should have been stated publicly and put in as a steward request. If not, it shouldn't have happened at all. Please do not ever do that again.
  • Moving on, I moved this back to "discussion" because I couldn't get anyone on LangCom to comment one way or the other. I figured I'd circle back to it in a couple of months. That said ...
  • I think what you're telling me is that (a) there is no substantial quantity of original content at Wp/ota, and that (b) the content that exists there has been copied in (transliterated) from trwiki without proper attribution. Is that correct? If so, then please put in a deletion request at incubator:I:RFD. Thanks.
  • Finally, in theory someone can create an ota project on Incubator and it can live there indefinitely; that's the normal policy on substantial historical languages, and there are several tests in incubator:Category:Incubator:Test wikis/code/history of that type. (We can encourage people to work on such things outside, but by policy they are allowable on Incubator.) StevenJ81 (talk) 17:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • About the first point: Liuxinyu, what the heck are you claiming? Ombudsmen are not allowed to run checks and they surely won't be stupid enough to do so. I just checked the checkuser logs on Meta, Incubator and Loginwiki and see nothing at all that supports your claim that such a check happened. Please refrain from spreading such lies immediately. --MF-W 18:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
I endorse MF-Warburg request to @Liuxinyu970226:, also I think further clarifications are needed, this is -definitely- a serious matter. --Vituzzu (talk) 18:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg and Vituzzu: How the two of you, as stewards, wish to follow up with Liuxinyu is for you to decide. I will admit that I was pretty shocked when I read that, but I think my response above was about as far as I could go on my own.

MF-W, that said, we probably should at least look into the question of whether the content of the Wp/ota test is simply unattributed, transliterated copying. There are a couple of Turkish speakers around the community whom I trust, though I don't know if they could read it in Arabic script. Unless you have a better suggestion, I'm going to ask them to have a look. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:35, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Sure, it makes sense to investigate that. Please ask whom you have in mind. Maybe also User:HakanIST can help. --MF-W 14:49, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

@HakanIST, Universal Life, and Vito Genovese: I wonder if any or all of you could help us with this question. There is content written in the "Ottoman Turkish Wikipedia test" (at incubator:Wp/ota). In principle, of course, there are differences between Ottoman Turkish and modern Turkish besides the fact of the conversion of Perso-Arabic script to Latin script. In practice, someone has alleged that the content in the test project is effectively nothing more than content copied from Turkish Wikipedia and transliterated. If any of you is capable of reading Turkish in Arabic script, can you tell us if this is true?

  • The practical consequence of this is that if the content is actually meaningfully different from that of Turkish Wikipedia, the project can remain in place at Incubator. If it is copied, then it constitutes a copyvio and should be deleted.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:57, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello StevenJ81 , thanks for the ping and summarizing the issue. Unfortunately I cannot read Arabic script. I've left a message to 2 wikipedians who can read Arabic script. I'm also pinging them here @Turgut46 and Akay Çelebi: ,in case they might respond here.--HakanIST (talk) 20:31, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
@Turgut46, Akay Çelebi, HakanIST, Universal Life, and Vito Genovese: I've heard nothing further from any of you. Putting all of the discussion together, both here and on the request page, I've created a proposed decision on this subject, which I have published at the request page. Please comment there. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:24, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry Steven, the last couple of days have been hectic. I'm afraid I suffer from the same problem, namely the inability to read the Arabic script. I'd have pinged Turgut as well, so I am also curious to see how things will unfold.
Vito Genovese 18:28, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikisource Neapolitan

Dear Steven,

My last read page was on january 2017. There are 10024 pages tagged as nap.source (huge!). We worked traditionally only with backing scans, so we are offering high quality proofreads of Public Domain works. The request is this: Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan. Is there any possibility that we open the nap.wikisource? We have been working since 2013 reading works for the good of the oldwikisource and we stopped in 2017 due to lack of support from the langcom. We could resurrect easily, but at this point the support/incentivation must come from the langcom itself. Itwikisource was aware already of the works and they gently helped us to transfer all of them. I think we have been forgotten somehow by this world of spreading free (sourced) knowledge in all languages. Thanks team for all the good work at wikisource and at the translatewiki @Candalua: @Alex brollo: @Chelin: @Silvio Gallio: @Stefano mariucci: @Ruthven: <3. --C.R. (talk) 21:25, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@C.R. and Ooswesthoesbes: (Calling OWTB for assistance for Multilingual Wikisource project)
C.R., you make a compelling case. And I have to admit that I have been quite frustrated with LangCom at times, because they were letting the ball drop on things quite a lot. But I am now watching closely, and I will promise you support if you can resurrect.
Do understand that part of the reason for LangCom's concern about activity is that it doesn't want to approve a project, and then have nobody working on it after approval. And that's also a reasonable concern. But if your team comes back together to work regularly on the project, and will continue to do so after approval, then I will work to get you approved. So here is what I need you to do:
  • Get a team back together—at least three registered accounts.
  • Have the team be sure to make at least ten edits each over two (not three) calendar months: there is still time in September, and then October.
  • Then I will take your case to LangCom for action, and I will argue the two-month-activity point on the grounds you have stated, provided that you and your team commit to me that you will stay with it after approval.
Fair? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The Neapolitan collection at Oldwikisource is one of the largest and qualitively the best, therefore I highly support the ideas put forth by Steven to get it to an own subdomain. Candalua is still active, so it shouldn't be too hard to get three active contributors. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:44, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Here I am, just the time to revive my js edit tools if needed.... --Alex brollo (talk) 21:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes, Alex brollo, Candalua, Tegel, and C.R.: You got September, even if two were OWTB and Tegel. Get me October and I will go to LangCom. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

German Simple Wikipedia

Hello, just a comment to this here: Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Simple_German_4. I was today in a live radio-show of the SRF1 (first swiss national radio program) and a teacher was excactly complaining what could be solved with a german simple wiki: That the articles in the german Wikipedia are too complicated and we don't have a real solution for it. So I couldn't really answer anything meaningful expect that the Wikimedia Foundation obviously don't see the problem here. I'm sure there would be an enough big community for doing this and obviously you didn't approved it against the majority of opinions here. It's really stupid that you just want a simple wikipedia for one language, the english one, and ignoring it for every other language because of a "policy" you basicly already broke when you created the english simple one. Best regards from switzerland, Fundriver (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

And I just saw, you allowed it for the french one. Doesn't make your descisions more reliable here. Fundriver (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Fundriver: WMF and the Language Committee do see the problem. They have a preferred way to address it.
  • Simple English Wikipedia existed before the policy did, so it was grandfathered.
  • Current policy states two prerequisites for future "simple" projects:
    • There has to be an established and documented "simple version" of the language serving as basis for the project. (This requirement is effectively the same as we would need for any constructed language.) The French project will be based on français fondamental, which fits the bill. The version of German created at the University of Hildesheim, described here, might well fit that bill.
    • The simple content is not to be created in Incubator. Instead, it is created within the parent project—in this case, within German Wikipedia. (The French project is to be created within French Wikipedia.)
In reality, what the current policy says is that we'd be very happy to see the different Wikipedias—especially the large ones—start including sections of simplified content. On the whole, we think things would work better if the simplified content stayed merged in the general wikis and weren't spun off as independent projects. But if, over time, enough simplified content is created, and the parent project agrees, we could then spin off the simplified content as an independent wiki.
  • Alternatively, another approach would be to create a Simple German encyclopedia project somewhere else. There is an Incubator Plus on Wikia where projects not formally meeting WMF requirements can be started. And we are currently in the process of creating an improved Incubator at Miraheze; it should open in the next month. You could create a simple German project in one of those locations. And if the test created elsewhere meets the first prerequisite above—it's based on an established, documented version of the language—it might get approved anyway, and brought back into WMF.
Now, perhaps you see those as being pretty indirect approaches to the problem, and you find that frustrating. I don't entirely blame you. But understand that we don't want to host everyone's random simple version of a language—hence the requirement for an established, documented version. And having Simple English and English in separate projects has led to inconsistencies that on the whole WMF would like not to duplicate—hence preference to create the simple content within the larger project.
If you have any questions about what I have just written, please feel free to respond here. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia

Here is it, @FanmDjok, @Léon973 and I, have filled all pages related to Guiana, its neighboring countries, France, South America, some European countries that are related to France, some languages​​... We had planned to fill at least a hundred pages, but lack of time with the job, I hope it will be enough to approve this project.

Below, there is a list of pages that have been filled, as you wanted :

  1. Lanmérik
  2. Lafrik
  3. Lazi
  4. Lanmérik di Nò
  5. Lanmérik santral
  6. Lanmérik di Sid
  7. Lagwiyann
  8. Lafrans
  9. Kayenn
  10. Kourou
  11. Kriyòl Gwiyannen
  12. Fransé
  13. Sourinanm
  14. Gwiyannan
  15. Brézil
  16. Karayb
  17. Lézanti
  18. Sen-Laurent-di-Maronni
  19. Lanmanzonni
  20. Lanmanzonn
  21. Lanmanpa
  22. Listwè di Lagwiyann
  23. Lanmérik laten
  24. Sant èspasyal gwiyannen
  25. Loséyan Atlantik
  26. Lis dé koumin di Lagwiyann
  27. Plato dé Gwiyann
  28. Frontchè ant Brézil ké Lafrans
  29. Djosèz di Kayenn
  30. Pari
  31. Konsèy jénéral di Lagwiyann
  32. Konsèy réjyonnal di Lagwiyann
  33. Annglé
  34. Potidjé
  35. Néyèrlandé
  36. Lérazi
  37. Lanng
  38. Rwéyonm-Ini
  39. Létazini
  40. Vénézwéla
  41. Loséyanni
  42. Léròp
  43. Lèspangn
  44. Politik annan Lagwiyann
  45. Loséyan Pasifik
  46. Loséyan Argtik
  47. Loséyan Endjen
  48. Loséyan Ostral
  49. Lanlmangn
  50. Larjantin

LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 13:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: Thank you for these. I like what you've done so far. I am consulting with others on next steps and will get back to you soon. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:04, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Okay, great ! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 14:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

BG Wikinews

Can I rely on two or three months to try and revive the project? (If it will be closed / deleted sooner, I see no use in cleaning it up.) -- Григор Гачев (talk) 10:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Григор Гачев: You have your chance. Don't waste it, and don't blow it on biased news. Good luck. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:31, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. There is no unbiased news, but at least I plan to not allow fake ones. Already talking to journalists across the entire political etc. spectrum. -- Григор Гачев (talk) 09:17, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Great. Don't forget that contributors on Wikinews have to allow their contributions to be made freely available to anyone. Certainly make sure that if you have professionals working there that they understand that. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:50, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Please remove Verdy_p translation administrator!

He is removing my valid translation on request pages, Thus He Can Also Remove Others, which is dangerous for future translations!!! --117.15.55.22 06:17, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Help! Seereer

Hi Steven, can you please help me as per our discussion here by checking whether I have done this properly [4]? As stated in that discussion, new Wiki projects scare the day light out of me. I don't know where to start. That article is about the Seereer people. How do I create other articles on this language in incubator? Thanks. Tamsier (talk) 16:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Steven how can i make active Wikiuutiset

Steven what i can do to make Finnish "Wikiuutiset" (Wikinews) active again i like doing Wikipedia and i maybe would love do Wikinews too in finnish' --AkselHelp (talk) 15:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC) Steven miten voin tehdä Suomen Wikiuutiset aktiiviseksi taas pidän Wikipedian kirjoittamisesta, mutta tykkäisin varmaan kirjoittaa Wikiuutisia --AkselHelp (talk) 15:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Gondi

As this request points to a macrolanguage code, it's unlikely to be eligible without more explains, so why not just reject instead? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikisource Interlingue

This request is created after your bunch verifications of late 2018 requests. Do you have time on verifying it? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:56, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Sure. I have one more batch of 2017s to get out today, and then I'll do it. But I'm sure it will be eligible. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Also: You won't need to notify me on every late-2018 request. I intend to sweep back through before the end of the year to make sure I get anything else new. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Just a question

Hi StevenJ81, I just have a question that I would like to ask if you don't mind. I am currently the contributing to the wp/srr/ incubator pages. I've made a request at translatewiki.net [5] to activate Seereer (srr) and to grant me translator rights as you've advised. There is one part of the request that I don't understand and perhaps you can help. For MediaWiki, do I have to ask them to make English (and/or French) to be the fall back or does it have to be Seereer despite the fact that the Seereer Wikipedia project is still in the incubator stage? Please help! Thanks. Tamsier (talk) 18:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@Tamsier: The purpose of everything there is to provide a Seereer wiki interface once people are ready to use it. They never have to; people can always choose what language they want to see in the interface.
There is absolutely no hurry to translate the messages over there. The point at which it becomes important is if/when you want the test project to be approved as a fully independent project. At that point the project will not be approved unless a certain minimum number of the interface messages are translated into Seereer.
That's where fallback comes into play. There is an enormous number of interface messages to translate, and smaller languages don't always manage to get them all translated. The "fallback" language defines what appears when the user chooses Seereer as the interface language, but a message needs to appear that hasn't been translated into Seereer. It would then appear in the first fallback language, then the second, and so on, until it finds a language to display. If French is the language a Seereer speaker is most likely to know, that should be the designated first fallback language. Just about all messages are available in French, but French falls back to English if it must.
I'm happy to answer any other questions if that wasn't clear enough. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much for explaining that. In that case then I can put Seereer as first fallback (as the whole purpose of this is to get it approved and translate the interface), followed by French as most Seereers speak French as a second language, then English. Thanks. Tamsier (talk) 07:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Seereer is not a "fallback" for Seereer. Seereer is your primary or target language here. If someone selects srr as their interface language, the first option is for them to see as much Seereer as possible in the interface. "Fallback" only means "what you see when the primary or target language is not available". So that should be fr, and after fr would be en. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Of course, silly me. Thanks for clarifying. Tamsier (talk) 04:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikisource Malay

Hello StevenJ81/Archives/2018. I need to figure out something for Malay Wikisource. I typed ms.wikisource.org but it didn't direct me to Malay language. It brought me to Wikisource homepage. Is there no domain for Malay language in Wikisource? CyberTroopers (talk) 07:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@CyberTroopers: There is not a domain for Malay yet. The reason you were redirected to the Multilingual Wikisource (also known as "Old Wikisource") home page is that all Wikisource content in Malay is currently located there. See s:mul:Main Page/Bahasa Melayu and s:mul:Category:Bahasa Melayu. There are a lot of good reasons for languages with only a little Wikisource content to leave it in Multilingual Wikisource, and there is never a hurry to move it. However, if you want to work toward getting Malay Wikisource moved to an independent subdomain, then you'll need there to be sufficient content, and a sufficient community, to meet the requirements here, especially the section "Requisites for final approval".
Good luck. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Literary Chinese

You've said we can't discuss something there,and I still have a problem.So I talk with you about them here. You've told that "you must (1) PROVIDE EVIDENCE, and (2) explain why you think that Chinese Wikisource would not be able to make sufficient changes to address your concerns." I want to ask why should we care these. I mean ,a language havs got enough evidences to develop, why shouldn we care if there are amounts of works in this language are included by others and if that subjuct has many basic developing? Thank you. Because I think that each proposal of Wikisource should effort in the long run rather than considering how to save time now.--Bobo alcazar (talk) 02:20, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Message about Wikinews

There is a message for you. Click here. --More Good News News (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@More Good News News: I saw it. We're all volunteers here. Be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:39, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you. --More Good News News (talk) 18:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
What is your desicion? It may became popular wiki or not. By the way, we have created a nice amount of articles, but for some reason that wiki shows all the time that there is only 390 news articles. That wiki has well over thousand news articles... and has been several years. --More Good News News (talk) 10:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
However, I don't know is there going to be more contributors or not. It might fail again, if nobody won't write new articles. But you can always soft close it again. --More Good News News (talk) 12:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
I think you're OK. I will go to SRM and get the stewards to take care of this. (For the moment, I am going to request that the restored main page remain semiprotected.) But it might take a day or two, so please be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you. Semiprotection is fine. Old page has been on that level. So just basically move Wikiuutiset:Etusivu/vanha to (by deleting Wikiuutiset:Etusivu) Wikiuutiset:Etusivu and protection levels and else is automatically fine. --More Good News News (talk) 14:16, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Or however you like. I saw your request on steward board. It creates bit messy edit history. But its also fine. --More Good News News (talk) 14:23, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia !

Here is it, 100 pages filled, I hope that it could help you for the approval of Guianan Wikipedia !

Here is the list of filled pages :

  1. Lanmérik
  2. Lafrik
  3. Lazi
  4. Lanmérik di Nò
  5. Lanmérik santral
  6. Lanmérik di Sid
  7. Lagwiyann
  8. Lafrans
  9. Kayenn
  10. Kourou
  11. Kriyòl Gwiyannen
  12. Fransé
  13. Sourinanm
  14. Gwiyannan
  15. Brézil
  16. Karayb
  17. Lézanti
  18. Sen-Laurent-di-Maronni
  19. Lanmanzonni
  20. Lanmanzonn
  21. Lanmanpa
  22. Listwè di Lagwiyann
  23. Lanmérik laten
  24. Sant èspasyal gwiyannen
  25. Loséyan Atlantik
  26. Lis dé koumin di Lagwiyann
  27. Plato dé Gwiyann
  28. Frontchè ant Brézil ké Lafrans
  29. Djosèz di Kayenn
  30. Pari
  31. Konsèy jénéral di Lagwiyann
  32. Konsèy réjyonnal di Lagwiyann
  33. Annglé
  34. Potidjé
  35. Néyèrlandé
  36. Lérazi
  37. Lanng
  38. Rwéyonm-Ini
  39. Létazini
  40. Vénézwéla
  41. Loséyanni
  42. Léròp
  43. Lèspangn
  44. Politik annan Lagwiyann
  45. Loséyan Pasifik
  46. Loséyan Argtik
  47. Loséyan Endjen
  48. Loséyan Ostral
  49. Lanlmangn
  50. Larjantin
  51. Kriyòl
  52. Katibaj
  53. Linyon éropéyen
  54. Rémir-Monjoli
  55. Makourya
  56. Matouri
  57. Maripasoula
  58. Mannan
  59. Kanmopi
  60. Wannari
  61. Sennmari
  62. Senjòrj-Loyapòk
  63. Roura
  64. Mousinéri-Tonnégrann
  65. Réjina
  66. Irakoubo
  67. Papaychton
  68. Awala-Yalimapo
  69. Sentéli
  70. Gransanti
  71. Apatou
  72. Sayil
  73. Langlétè
  74. Anlman
  75. Èspangnòl
  76. Léro
  77. Lachin
  78. Bolivi
  79. Chili
  80. Lakolonbi
  81. Pannanman
  82. Lourougwé
  83. Pérou
  84. Lékwatò
  85. Paragwé
  86. Lostrali
  87. Kòrsika
  88. Laréynyon
  89. Japon
  90. Dolar
  91. Kannanda
  92. Léjip
  93. Taylann
  94. Nouvèl-Kalédonni
  95. Polinézi fransé
  96. Laljéri
  97. Lafrik di Sid
  98. Janmayk
  99. Maròk
  100. Mègsik

LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 23:42, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: C'est fantastique! Merci!
My good news for you is that LangCom basically agrees to approve. The only thing that needs to happen first is that they need a professional linguist (academic or other) to confirm that your project is written in good Guianan Creole. (This is standard for all first approvals in a given language.) Do you have a linguist available (preferably, one without strong ties to your project)? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:49, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Ah, but what should I give you, a number, an e-mail or the Facebook link of a linguist ??? LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 18:16, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

I managed to contact a company that fights for the defense and the transmission of Guianan Creole, which has no connection with this project, if you want I give you his e-mail and/or his number, if that you seems enough ?! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

That would be fine. But please send by email, instead of posting here. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:01, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, if I understand correctly, you want me to send you the email and company number by e-mail ? If so, give me yours, because I don't have it ! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 19:04, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Use the link <Email this user> to send me a message. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:26, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Take the third email that I sent you, because in it I gave you the email of a linguist from the University of Guiana, as you wanted ! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 17:36, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi and happy new year ! Have you made contact with the linguist ? If not, I send you by mail his mail, he is a linguist from the University of (French) Guiana, as you wanted. LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I've had priorities IRL to address. Hope to get back to this shortly. StevenJ81 (talk) 23:02, 7 January 2019 (UTC)