WikiCite 2016/Report/Group 7
Group 7: Using citations and bibliographic source metadata[edit]
- Merge of Lounge and Room 123
- Etherpad: Group 7
Attendees[edit]
Alphabetical by first letter
Group 1 / Lounge[edit]
- Andrea Zanni (Wikisource) / Aubrey
- Chiara Storti, (Wikimedia Italia, Rete bibliotecaria di Romagna e San Marino)
- Chris Keene (Jisc)
- Chris Wilkinson (eLife Sciences)
- Erika Herzog (Wikimedia New York City)
- Jens Nauber (Die Sächsische Landesbibliothek – Staats- und Universitätsbibliothek Dresden (SLUB) (Saxon State and University Library Dresden (SLUB)))
- John Kaye (Jisc)
- Katie Filbert (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
- Lambert Heller (Technische Informationsbibliothek (TIB) (German National Library of Science and Technology))
- Luca Martinelli (Wikimedia Italia)
- Lydia Pintscher (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
- Mairelys Lemus-Rojas (University of Miami Libraries)
- Marielle Volz (Wikimedia Foundation) (attending remotely)
- Markus Kaindl (Springer Nature)
- Merrilee Proffitt (OCLC Research)
- Nettie Lagace (National Information Standards Organization (NISO))
- Rachael Lammey (Crossref)
- Susanna Giaccai (Wikimedia Italia)
Group 3 / Room 123[edit]
- Adam Becker (Open Journal, Freelance Astrophysicist)
- Adam Shorland (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
- Daniel Kinzler (Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikidata)
- Daniel Mietchen (National Institutes of Health (NIH), organizer)
- Elizabeth Seiver (Public Library of Science (PLOS))
- Joe Wass (Crossref)
- Jonathan Dugan
- Karen Coyle KarenCoyle.net
- Laura Rueda (DataCite)
- Terry Catapano (Plazi Verein / Columbia University Libraries
Report[edit]
This session included report-backs from each of the previous sessions, from Lounge and Rm 123. The group then had a vibrant series of discussions explaining issues and resolving the understandings learned from each smaller session with the combined, larger group.
Notes and links[edit]
Data Model of Citation[edit]
See (bottom of) https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WikiCiteRoom123
- UUID
- Citation Target (pointer to bibliographic metadata, during transition contains wikitext)
- Target Anchor
- Citation Origin
- Origin Anchor
Example Citation Object:
{
uuid: 12399392929
target: {
resource: wikidata item or uri or plain old wikitext, for legacy support
anchor: difficult! needs to be robust, depends on type of resource. See Hypothesis project
},
origin: {
resource: wiki page name or id --> can be turned into a URL
anchor: difficult! some kind of offset? <-- two anchors next to each other might compete with other ideas
}
}
Made available via the MediaWiki web API for every revision of a page.
Questions[edit]
- Do we need qualifiers for the type of citations (eg. critques, agrees with)? -> see CiTO Ontology
- Has to be resistant against editing.
Existing inline citations {{#cite:PMID:234939}} will be surrounded by an anchor:
- _-_{{#cite:PMID:234939}}_-_
- It is a function not a template: Compare {{cite|PMID:123}} and {{#cite:PMID:123}}
Wikitext references would stay as they are (with a wrapping template):
- <ref>{{cite|title=Something}}</ref>
For consumers of the data more structure is an advantage.
from the 123 etherpad:
- UUID #UUID-identities citation object. generated on demand. do we need this in wikitext?
- Citation target (URI) #bibliographic database object /or/ wikitext (with templates/parameters)
- Target Anchor #chapter, page, etc. This is optional, but can only come from the wikitex
- Citation origin (URI) #Wikipedia page specific revision
- Origin anchor #point or range. some kind of offset
How to refer to a source?
- You can use items to store a reference <-- scalability problems
- You can link to a statement (but the references may change and suddenly not support a claim) (or even be "imported from: $language Wikipedia")
- You can link to a reference to a statement <-- a bit controversial
- Reusing a reference is an indicator that a reference should be converted to an item.
- There are claims that can be sourced with references that already have an item (es. "Italy has this list of regions" <-- source: QCONSTITUTION OF ITALY (QConstitution of Italy))
Cultural problems:
- Treat all citations the same?
How do the statics change when Wikidata community decides that something is notable or not.
- If source is not notable, they won't be items, and won't show up in certain statistics.
References should lead you somewhere. The ones in Wikidata are actionable and the ones as <refs> don't. Creating two types of references.
A possible solution would be to have a separate Wikidata for citations and references that can "discuss" with Wikidata proper and other sources repositories ( = Librarybase?)
- Who would maintain it (access, maintainance, policies, ...)?
- Who or what would fill in the necessary data? Will we need to found a new community?
Blast from the past: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Source_items_and_supporting_Wikipedia_sources <-- a much more restrictive RfC we had in the past about setting up a new namespace (with different rules) for RELIABLE sources