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Fantasy Balloon logo3[edit]

Fantasy Balloon logo3

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Comments and discussion[edit]

  • I really don't like the font, particularly the "W" · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • The basket looks a bit too narrow · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Not only too narrow.. I think the style could be changed to fit with the balloon a lot more. Balloon looks 3D, basket looks 2D; balloon has gradients, basket is solid; balloon is abstract and tapers, basket is a simple shape. Having said that I'm really happy this made it to the final round, it's an exciting design and with a few tweaks (definitely the font too), I think it would be an excellent logo for Wikivoyage. --tiimta (hello) 10:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Why we cann't save Lenka font for this logo? May be use alternative color scheme, change basket, minimum rotate it ccw? Digr (talk) 12:28, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I only recognized the shape as a hot air balloon after I read the comments above. It looked like a big bud to me.---<(kmk)>- (talk) 15:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Rather a cool logo, but yes, the font needs adjustment. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:42, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • It absolutely needs different colours. The current scheme makes me think of off pickles. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • A pickled caper? --Danapit (talk) 08:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Too much of similar colors, IMHO. Could you please made a version in standart Wikimedia colors? Ain92 (talk) 10:17, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Wikimedia colors shouldn't be used in of these logos. Wikivoyage is a standalone content project like Wikipedia, not a meta project like Commons, Wikidata or Meta-Wiki. Also, it has a long history (since 2006) outside the WMF. Globe-trotter (talk) 14:03, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
      • I agree strongly with Globe-trotter that aping meta WMF projects is not something we should aim for. We should aim for originality and individual personality in the color scheme, which I feel this logo has. --Peter Talk 18:37, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
          • Not to mention that WMF's color scheme is absolutely unsuitable for any logo. (At least not if you're not seriously working on the tones of the green and the red.)--Toter Alter Mann (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
        • No project ever will ape this colour scheme for sure, except for WikiComposting perhaps, but it is still bad. Needs other colour options. PrinceGloria (talk) 06:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
  • This is the only one that works as a logo, the other two options are heavily text reliant Oxyman (talk) 11:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Best of the three, it's not childish--Seonookim (talk) 05:46, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
  • It's the best one. Not all the travels are in plane, but the ballon is like a metaphor of travel. It's classic and brilliant.--CarlosVdeHabsburgo (talk) 03:44, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

basket, pitch, font[edit]

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Made basket not look like a parachute bomb, pitched (rotated) ballon a bit more, changed font, separated "wiki" and "voyage" for readability. I am sure many other variations can be better. Sorry I don't know how to remove the text for small sizes. Also, characters must be kerned better. Nicolas1981 (talk) 01:54, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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  • I cropped the viewBox. Hope you don't mind. -- Rillke (talk) 07:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Nicolas1981 (talk) 09:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Better. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • The basket is definitely better, the font is more readable, and I can't notice the rotation. Ain92 (talk) 10:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • The font is very slick and minimalist, it doesn't really fit with the playfulness of the logo. The basket is an improvement. Globe-trotter (talk) 13:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I like this logo the best. — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree with Globe-trotter that this font less fits the playfulness of the icon (which I love). I'm not sure why people object to the former font, perhaps they could clarify specifically why, and hopefully offer alternative suggestions? --Peter Talk 18:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Basket with gradient, Lenka Stabilo font in greens
  • Here's a version with a gradient for the basket (to make it look a bit more 3D per concerns above) and with the old Lenka Stabilo font in shades of green for a comparison (also per a suggestion above). I very, very slightly rounded the corners of the basket also. I prefer the basket in this version slightly over the above, but I don't think the Lenka font works as well as the original font above. --Peter Talk 18:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
    • I love your version with Lenka Stabilo font in greens! Looks like the balloon is travelling above Brazil forests :-) My font was not playful enough indeed. Nicolas1981 (talk) 03:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Yea I love this too. Maybe there is still a better font out there, but this basket is great and I like the use of green in the font. --tiimta (hello) 11:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Another comment: The wider basket looks much better at small sizes, but I think it's a little too wide when larger, as in the sidebar version. I presume we could use a slightly different version for these different purposes, right? --Peter Talk 18:54, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Peter that large basket look bad in larger versions. Make it small for larger versions. Basket design can be tweaked from |_| to \_/ to see how it looks. ( i dont find better way to explain this :)) Try with different fonts also. -Nizil Shah (talk) 19:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Nizil Shah, using an isosceles trapezoid is one of those very simple, should-have-been obvious ideas that really improves the look. I think it looks best at every size. I use it in the following two examples, which show alternate color schemes, and alternate fonts. The fonts are in order clockwise from top left: Trajan Pro Bold, Lerotica, Lenka Stabilo, Linear Regular. I think the original color scheme is still the best--it's bold and eye-catching, classy, and suggests Brazil forests per Nicolas1981 ;) I don't have a very strong opinion about the fonts, but I think I like Trajan Pro Bold the best. The icon is already so whimsical that I think the more staid font works, while Lenka seems a bit overkill. Lenka was necessary to liven up our old, incredibly dull logo. --Peter Talk 21:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
  • This is great. I agree with Peter about the color scheme, and the original font is crisp and appealing. — Scott talk 19:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
If this logo ultimately passes, which I am most afraid it might, it certainly should not be used combined with a cartoonish font, as Peter said. We could use something along the lines of Gill Sans with it - very legible and to-the-point, but not serifed or overly artsy.
The new colour propositions are going somewhere, but I'd ditch the central green stripe altogether as well, and try something in the typical base colours used for balloons, which is blue, red and yellow. Of the greens used, we could perhaps do with the pastel green on the left of the original proposal, the other two are (right one) "composting green" and (middle one) "forest green", neither of which suit a balloon well. PrinceGloria (talk) 04:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey, who snuck aboard our balloon?
I for one think the font should be playful too. I love the Lenka Stabilo one for this reason.
Unrelated comment from a friend: Maybe could you put an earth or a suitcase instead of the gondola (basket)? Nicolas1981 (talk) 05:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Ask and you shall receive. Below are color schemes in blue, red, and yellow per PrinceGloria. I still think the logo author's original color scheme is the best, though--I haven't been able to equal it. It's sharp and classy. De gustibus non est disputandum, but, ah, I think I'm going to have to dispute your gustibus. To the right is the version with suitcase, which has a nice enough aesthetic, but I think it's just too surrealist once you realize what you're looking at. --Peter Talk 07:33, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much Peter! I believe, to quote Beth Ditto, that we are indeed moving in the right direction. Let us not dispute tastes, they are subjective. Objectively, however, the versions with different colours are simply better and don't look like cabbage :D I guess the RBY combo might look a bit too sombre in those shades, I was wondering if perhaps combining the violet and light blue from one of your earlier versions with a third balancing hue (also a pastel one if you find a fitting one) might just hit the sweet spot.
I personally like the suitcase idea. It doesn't change much in lower resolutions and adds a nice touch in the high-res versions, as well as at least brings us closer to the idea of travel. PrinceGloria (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
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I tried a bunch of different pastels for the central band (and desaturated & lightened the colors of the others just a tad), and the bgv variant to the right is definitely the best I came up with. But I still prefer the original at each size, and especially at 16px. --Peter Talk 20:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Yellow might not be very printable/visible? Nicolas1981 (talk) 01:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

There was a suggestion in the poll below that brighter colors might work better. The versions on the right below are higher saturation (with Lenka font), while the ones on the left (with Deja Vu Sans) are in the original color schemes. I actually do prefer the higher saturation versions, particularly for the one in greens. --Peter Talk 22:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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I just translated it to Persian to show how it will look on a RTL language. --ebraminiotalk 15:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Per suggestions below, here is a variant using Deja Vu Sans, with Greek, Russian, and English. --Peter Talk 22:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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Try these in Chinese--I think we don't need to put different colors on the logo. --Super Wang (talk) 12:33, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Votes for basket, pitch, font[edit]


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DejaVu Sans[edit]

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Using Nicolas1981's pitch, my isosceles trapezoidal basket, & DejaVu Sans font. DejaVu Sans has the big advantage of translatability, with support for most alphabets. Peter Talk 06:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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  • Text should be left out when too small to be legible. This will allow the recognizable part of the logo to be bigger for the same overall image size, so is a two-way gain. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Indeed, fixing this now. --Peter Talk 06:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Votes for DejaVu Sans[edit]

  • Support Support My second choice after Lenko. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Of the balloon variants, this one is my favorite. PerryPlanet (talk) 07:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Rillke (talk) 07:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support I don't like the cartoonish font, and this is more translatable than Linear Regular. Can you try GillSans? Ain92 (talk) 07:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support GMM (talk) 07:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Johan Jönsson (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2013 (UTC) The basket shape change is great, also great to have it in non-text colour so it doesn´t look like an accent.

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Lenka Stabilo[edit]

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Using Nicolas1981's pitch, my isosceles trapezoidal basket, & Lenka Stabilo font. Peter Talk 06:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments and discussion[edit]

  • Could you please make some non-Latin versions? Ain92 (talk) 10:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately, Lenka only supports Latin characters. It's based on the author's handwriting, which makes it difficult to apply to multiple alphabets. I'm not someone who knows a ton about typeface design, but I could certainly recommend alternative fonts for non-Latin alphabets. Cyrillic, for example, I think looks pretty nice with Trebuchet MS (although something a little more bold might harmonize better with Lenka). --Peter Talk 16:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Manual kerning can be done easily enough at any stage. Just get some specification on what needs to be adjusted. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Just for consideration (and we're definitely running out of time), here is a variant with the teal-ish scheme LtPowers used on AleXXw's proposal. It also shows a slightly kerned version of the Lenka (to reduce the space between o and y). --Peter Talk 17:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
      • I like the cyan/blue version with Lenka font. Can you submit this? -- Rillke (talk) 17:13, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
        • Thank you! -- Rillke (talk) 21:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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Votes for Lenka Stabilo[edit]

  • Support Support My first choice. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support I'm going to be bold and choose this one too. The gang of Peters... --Peter Talk 06:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Looks great! --Andreschulz (talk) 07:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Adventure! Wildness! Kerning might need to be touched a bit, to reduce spacing between "o" and "y". Nicolas1981 (talk) 09:23, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
    • In the blues version to the right, I made the kerning adjustment you suggested. Does it look better? If people say yeah right now, I'll adjust the variant submission. Otherwise we might have to save such adjustments for after the logo voting ends, if this is the ultimately chosen option. --Peter Talk 17:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support I like the playful style. JuliasTravels (talk) 10:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Tuvalkin (talk) 11:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Manuspanicker (talk) 18:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Cloud668 (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support SupportΛΧΣ21 04:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support. Note: the 32 and 16 px favicons need to be cleaned up--in the favicon versions the light green of the right side of the balloon may need darkening and the favicon's basket may need to be slightly bigger. The balloon with Lenka wordmark says, "Voyager, come write on me," with style! Well done. Rogerhc (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
    • That's a good point, and I've made both changes. It's a little awkward to make changes after people have already voted... but I think they're slight enough where no one will care much. I made the same color change to the larger versions (not the basket sizing change). --Peter Talk 17:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Atsirlin (talk) 05:16, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Moroboshi (talk) 09:17, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Oxyman (talk) 10:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Adehertogh (talk) 19:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support This is my favorite submission. The font complements the fun of the balloon and the colors represent the earth. Nick1372 (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Daniel749 talk 21:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support This or the blue version, definitely. I'm firmly in the camp that using Lenka does not make the logo look childish; in fact, continued use of the font emphasizes the fact that Wikivoyage is, first and foremost, a fun site to be at. --Sky Harbor (talk) 12:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support, I’m not fond of the « k » in Lenka but that doesn’t matter : for me, this font suits the best the project. Cdlt, VIGNERON * discut. 12:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Linear Regular[edit]

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Using Nicolas1981's pitch, my isosceles trapezoidal basket, & Linear Regular font. Peter Talk 06:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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Votes for Linear Regular[edit]


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Lenka Stabilo in blue[edit]

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Using Nicolas1981's pitch, my isosceles trapezoidal basket, & Lenka Stabilo font, all using alternate blue theme. Peter Talk 20:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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Votes for Lenka Stabilo in blue[edit]

  • Support Support An option. A good option. Rillke (talk) 21:48, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support. Digr (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support, because small icons look better as far as the rightmost part is darker (b&w version looks better too), but we should provide a font for non-Latin scripts. Ain92 (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support the best of all Balloon variants. --Danapit (talk) 20:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support SupportΛΧΣ21 00:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support SupportInkey (talk) 00:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 14:14, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support Support Wolf Lambert (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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