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Notifications from Langcom about proposed approvals[edit]

Notification about proposed approval of Georgian Wikisource[edit]

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T363085

The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikisource Georgian. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Amir! – Mehman 21:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Users just verified themselves as eligible here, atleast one of the member of the community raised this concern here. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 03:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was in 2009, it has no relevance for this. -- MF-W 07:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. MF-W 09:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions[edit]

Approval Request for Arbëresh Wikipedia (Wp/aae)[edit]

Dear Language committee,

As the Arbëresh Wikipedia administrator, I kindly request an approval of our project. We contributed regularly since March 2022 and at the moment we have 325 articles (including the 100 most important ones).

These last 10 months we were simultaneously occupied with a Wikitongues project for which we received a grant. We created a card game with 50 word cards for children, which we linked via QR codes to their respective Wikipedia articles using this link type: aae.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARTICLE_NAME. But since our project is not live yet, the links do not work. So in order to distribute the cards and promote the Arbëresh Wikipedia in the villages, we need an approved project (or at least working links).

I am happy to discuss details and questions. Best! Ftillimi (talk) 15:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for your efforts. I have looked into your project and there is not enough activity yet, and I have doubts about the sustainability of the community. For example, in January, you are the only one who has had enough activity. Therefore, I hope that your community shows enough activity and sustainability. Thanks! --Sotiale (talk) 03:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ftillimi and Sotiale: Anyway, the eligibility of Arbëresh is also a question to be resolved, as it is one member of macrolanguage Albanian (check here if doubt). Is there any reason a separate project shall be created instead of directly contributing at sq.wikipedia? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liuxinyu970226 Albanian and Arbëresh have a low degree of mutual intelligibility. Arbëresh has a language code and the community wants a Wikipedia. There is no "question" to be resolved.

@Sotiale Can you give us please a quantity of articles that would satisfy the condition to call us active? We spent a lot of time aswell to translate the interface to Arbëresh, that's why on the statistics we show up as less active. Ftillimi (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although it is not possible to speak about any fixed standards, the standard generally considered is that sustainability can be proven by having 3 or more editors working for more than a few months, and the amount of pages can also be considered along with sustainability. Currently, your project is almost entirely yours alone and sometimes disconnected. For this reason, it was evaluated as having low sustainability. Recently approved projects involve 3 or more people working for nearly 6 months, or even in those situations, they exceed 1000 pages. This would be a very sufficient standard for approval, exceeding the minimum standard. --Sotiale (talk) 06:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ftillimi And, how do you explain Fenikals' objection on your RFL page that "Albanian diaspora dialect, not a separate language"? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does it need an explanation? Arbëresh is included in the Albanian macrolanguage. Surely the assumption is that the separation at the language level is correct unless there's real evidence otherwise.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Prosfilaes If this is true, then why are you supporting Arabic dialects for having their own Wikipedias? Why can't they just contribute just one Arabic Wikipedia? And at same time, why are you opposing Low German dialects for having too? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Arbëresh is considered an independent language in ISO-639, just like the various Arabic languages. You'd have to link to the request for the Low German dialect in question but apparently I thought there was enough evidence it wasn't distinct. In Arbëresh's case, the fact that there was separation starting 500 years ago (as per the Wikipedia page) makes a claim that it's a separate language seem very reasonable.--Prosfilaes (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Prosfilaes Then what's the purpose of ar:? A fake website just typed some Arabic letters? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liuxinyu970226 The project ar.wikipedia.org is actually using the language with the 3-letter code 'arb', which is known as Modern Standard Arabic, or Fusha. 'ar' is a macro language, covering a group of languages including 'arb' as well as all the other variants such as 'apc' (Levantine Arabic) and 'arz' (Egyptian Arabic), etc... I think it was a mistake to allow the projects use macro-language codes, but it is too late to fix it. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for verification of Sylheti Wikivoyage[edit]

Dear Language Committee members, requesting verification of Incubator:Wy/syl (Sylheti Wikivoyage). There is a common misunderstanding among those unfamiliar with the process who mistakenly believe that this project is not open for contributions. It is one of the most active Wikivoyage project of the Wikimedia Incubator, currently featured on the main page. Requesting verification and we hope soon we will see the project on its own domain (https://syl.wikivoyage.org) based on its own merit.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 04:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Could you explain who is of the mistaken belief "that this project is not open for contributions"? --MF-W 09:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In Wikimedia, there are many users who are not familiar with the Incubator. A few months ago, one of our community members asked where to start a new Wiki project in a different project. The process is not very smooth. In the Sylheti Wikivoyage's history, we have many registered users but not many unregistered users. Generally, if the verification step is unnecessary and Langcom members are reluctant to perform it, I propose its removal from the proposal template. If it remains, it's better to clarify it so that users unfamiliar with Wikimedia Incubator, LPP, and new language projects do not become confused. —ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 02:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bump to prevent archival. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 20:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approval Request for Mooré Wikipedia[edit]

Hello,

I wish to follow up on the approval request for Mooré Wikipedia, which was submitted on July 12, 2023. Here is the request page:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mooré. Please let me know if you have questions. Shahadusadik (talk) 12:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Shahadusadik, I believe it will be approved if there are no language issues. Regarding this language, can you recommend any linguists or experts who are not involved in your incubator project? Please send me an email with their affiliation, email address, and name; not here or public wiki pages. Thanks! --MF-W 09:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Email sent! Thanks Shahadusadik (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If Langcom approves this, please do take note of my comments at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Mooré#Comments about the interwiki conflicting with a pseudo-namespace on the English Wikipedia. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 02:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I saw that. What will be the way forward? Should spark a discussion about this on telegram? Shahadusadik (talk) 21:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a problem for developers/sysadmins to solve. We (Langcom) will simply request the wiki to be created. Pseudo-namespaces have been "removed" in the past when they conflicted with a new language code. --MF-W 22:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None as popular as this one, though. Whatever. I'll make my case on Phabricator when the wiki actually is about to be approved. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 23:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Wikipedia Mandailing[edit]

Hello, I'm requesting approval for Wikipedia Mandailing. The project already has close to 2000 pages, and has been the past 7+ months. Thank you. ✒ Bennylin 11:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bennylin: Hi, Bennylin. There is something I would like to ask of you to facilitate the approval processes. Regarding this language, can you recommend any linguists or experts who are not involved in Mandailing incubator project? Please send me an email with their affiliation, email address, and name; not here or public wiki pages. --Sotiale (talk) 12:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what for? didn't you guys already contacted linguist or something for Wiktionary Mandailing's approval? This is not the first Wikimedia project in Mandailing ✒ Bennylin 13:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will ask someone first. He's considered an expert on Mandailing, and afaik he's not a contributor yet. What's the process to recommend someone? Do I send you an email or something? ✒ Bennylin 03:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bennylin: Ah, I was mistaken. I didn't remember if this wikt was approved first. Then there is no need for a separate recommendation process. --Sotiale (talk) 10:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So many things came at me at once that I mistook it for another project. I appreciate your efforts for finding the expert. --Sotiale (talk) 10:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consider revoking the "verified as eligible" status for these two requests?[edit]

By reviewing their deletion requests, there are probably some good reasons that the eligibility of both requests are being contested, both are having scowiki-like faux articles before deleted, having fake grammars and cited with unreliable sources, of which some sources are from fraud sites. There are also off-wiki points that both eligibility status are granted by bribes, although I can't see if there are enough evidences to support. Based on the above situations, I'm afraid that both eligibilities shall be re-contested as both are re-controversial now. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"verified as eligible" means that the language is theoretically eligible to get a project if the test wiki is developed enough. It has nothing to do with the content of the test wiki. And at least for Ter Sami the bribery accusation is clearly bogus - looking at SJ81's edits and mails on the langcom list from around that time reveals they were going through all old requests and processing them. Votic is long enough ago that the records aren't publicly available, but I suspect its bogus too. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery Let @Yupik: tell you why that status is in wrong position:

“

the language doesn't even have an orthography, so there is no possibility of contributing even if those two wanted to.

”

Ter Sami has only 2 L1 speakers as per Ethnologue's survey, and many Incubator contributors confirmed that Tamara Ustinova, one of the former "active contributors" of both projects, isn't one, but rather another pro-scowiki behavior maker. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't really matter if the eligibility is removed or not. I asked Yupik on that Incubator deletion request about maybe starting a Langcom discussion (for one of the languages), but she hasn't done so. With page creation on Incubator being prevented, the risk of a new Wikipedia with questionable content being created is zero. And what's this nonsense about "granted by bribes"? Do you really think my comment on the Votic request "The language is eligible; for the approval it will be necessary to prove that the content on Incubator is written in true Votic, of course." was bought? It seems like the cheque never arrived. I hope you can badger the bribers for me about it. --MF-W 09:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About approval of central Kanuri Wikipedia[edit]

It's been a while since we made a request on meta, we have been active since then, creating and editing articles we have answered questions about the varieties of the kanuri, but we are yet to get any proper response from the Langcom. so what's the future of the central Kanuri Wikipedia? MohammedBama123 (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Chinook Jargon (chinuk wawa) Wikipedia[edit]

On the Chinook Jargon Wikipedia (incubator:Wp/chn) We have three active users, 216 articles that are overall bigger and beefier than the articles on most other incubating wikis (a little over a kilobyte on average). Chinook Jargon Wikipedia also has hundreds of edits per month, functional location map templates, a fancy main page, a partially translated interface, a user guide, a degree of quality control, and a fair amount of recognition on Facebook. Chinook Jargon Wikipedia was previously listed as an eligible test wiki, back in 2018.

A decently-sized community of people are trying to bring this 19th-century trade language of the Pacific Northwest back to life, and I'm here to do my part! (See the language's official MetaWiki request page.) POSSUM chowg (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@POSSUM chowg I'm afraid that your post isn't actual seriously, before March, you seems like one of the only two active users for just two months (the another is Jon Gua as I've checked) (fully inactive before this year, for about 2 years), also as per Ethnologue:

“

No known L1 speakers in United States (Wurm et al 1996). A total of 1,000 L2 speakers in both Canada and the United States (Grant 2013). The last L1 speaker died in the mid-1970s. Total users in all countries: none known.

”

Do we have ideas why such language status can also get eligibile status? Maybe this issue above also affects this request? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never knew that a wiki had to have at least three active users for a certain period of time. Yes, we have only had three active users for the past month, I had thought that that was enough...

So anyway, as a pidgin, even in its heyday back in the 1800's, there were very few L1 speakers... | See this discussion on the chinookjargon.com website, including a word or two from Haruo, the very first editor of CJ Wikipedia POSSUM chowg

(talk) 02:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approval request for Czech Wikivoyage[edit]

Dear Language Committee, I'm requesting approval for Czech Wikivoyage. Czech Wikivoyage is the last missing Wikimedia project in the Czech language, so the Czech language and the Czech community is generally very active. In the past year, a stable active Wikivoyage community has formed. Now it is active every month. We kindly request your review of this project and hope that the Committee can approve it soon. LiMr (talk) 19:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for verification of Sylheti Wikibooks[edit]

Dear Language Committee members, requesting verification of Wb/syl (Sylheti Wikibooks). I believe there should be a basic verification process after each proposal. This would demonstrate Langcom’s acknowledgment of the proposal’s validity and provide an avenue for feedback. Unfortunately, there has been a lack of Langcom members performing these verification checks since User:StevenJ81. Additionally, a project has been featured in the Wikimedia Incubator for over six months, meeting both basic verification requirements and the criteria for its own domain. Out of numerous Wikibook projects, this is the sole active project here. I kindly request verification and initiation of a Langcom discussion for consideration of the project. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 01:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]