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Notifications from Langcom about proposed approvals

Notification about proposed approval of Central Dusun Wikipedia

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T365220

Hi. The language committee intends to approve Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Central Dusun. If you have any objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next 7 days. Meanwhile, the community is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. Thank you. --Sotiale (talk) 13:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It has been 7 days since the notification and there are no objections. I hope we can move forward to the approval and launching of the project. Thank you. Rombituon (talk) 03:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

See phab:T365220. --Sotiale (talk) 05:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Rombituon (talk) 07:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussions

Request for verification of Sylheti Wikivoyage

Dear Language Committee members, requesting verification of Incubator:Wy/syl (Sylheti Wikivoyage). There is a common misunderstanding among those unfamiliar with the process who mistakenly believe that this project is not open for contributions. It is one of the most active Wikivoyage project of the Wikimedia Incubator, currently featured on the main page. Requesting verification and we hope soon we will see the project on its own domain (https://syl.wikivoyage.org) based on its own merit.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 04:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Could you explain who is of the mistaken belief "that this project is not open for contributions"? --MF-W 09:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

In Wikimedia, there are many users who are not familiar with the Incubator. A few months ago, one of our community members asked where to start a new Wiki project in a different project. The process is not very smooth. In the Sylheti Wikivoyage's history, we have many registered users but not many unregistered users. Generally, if the verification step is unnecessary and Langcom members are reluctant to perform it, I propose its removal from the proposal template. If it remains, it's better to clarify it so that users unfamiliar with Wikimedia Incubator, LPP, and new language projects do not become confused. —ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 02:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Bump to prevent archival. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 20:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery: Is this really beneficial from bumping? All of what I can see is that, for all eight RFLs of Sylheti, the key problem [1], about the script these Sylheti test projects are using is still pending resolve ways by either ways, the requestor said "we have consensus to reject implementation of language conversion", but other langcom members (than MF-W, I think) don't believe it. That said, really unless, and really until, this script matter can be resolved in a win-win way, none (believe that, no one) of the Sylheti test projects may have dawns for approval. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Don't tell me. I added a bump comment because Special:Diff/26644931. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

No Pppery, in the actual case you're the one should really be told, not "don't tell", see reasons at archive. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: You may address a letter to Langcom stating that this language community lacks literacy skills, but the reality is quite the opposite. The community not only sustains itself but also garners strong support for its projects. We respect their cause; if the community deems a gadget unsuitable, we won’t impose it upon them. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 21:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Consider revoking the "verified as eligible" status for these two requests?

• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ter Sami
• Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Votic

By reviewing their deletion requests, there are probably some good reasons that the eligibility of both requests are being contested, both are having scowiki-like faux articles before deleted, having fake grammars and cited with unreliable sources, of which some sources are from fraud sites. There are also off-wiki points that both eligibility status are granted by bribes, although I can't see if there are enough evidences to support. Based on the above situations, I'm afraid that both eligibilities shall be re-contested as both are re-controversial now. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

"verified as eligible" means that the language is theoretically eligible to get a project if the test wiki is developed enough. It has nothing to do with the content of the test wiki. And at least for Ter Sami the bribery accusation is clearly bogus - looking at SJ81's edits and mails on the langcom list from around that time reveals they were going through all old requests and processing them. Votic is long enough ago that the records aren't publicly available, but I suspect its bogus too. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 04:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery Let @Yupik: tell you why that status is in wrong position:

“ the language doesn't even have an orthography, so there is no possibility of contributing even if those two wanted to. ”

Ter Sami has only 2 L1 speakers as per Ethnologue's survey, and many Incubator contributors confirmed that Tamara Ustinova, one of the former "active contributors" of both projects, isn't one, but rather another pro-scowiki behavior maker. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter if the eligibility is removed or not. I asked Yupik on that Incubator deletion request about maybe starting a Langcom discussion (for one of the languages), but she hasn't done so. With page creation on Incubator being prevented, the risk of a new Wikipedia with questionable content being created is zero. And what's this nonsense about "granted by bribes"? Do you really think my comment on the Votic request "The language is eligible; for the approval it will be necessary to prove that the content on Incubator is written in true Votic, of course." was bought? It seems like the cheque never arrived. I hope you can badger the bribers for me about it. --MF-W 09:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

It still meet the basic criteria for project verification. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 14:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ Even in cases they don't have enough native speakers? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

In this case, you make a valid point; the projects may remain in the Incubator indefinitely.--ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 05:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

About approval of central Kanuri Wikipedia

It's been a while since we made a request on meta, we have been active since then, creating and editing articles we have answered questions about the varieties of the kanuri, but we are yet to get any proper response from the Langcom. so what's the future of the central Kanuri Wikipedia? MohammedBama123 (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@MohammedBama123: Hi, I guess things haven't progressed while I've been away on a business trip for a while. I'll let you know about what's been going on so far. The main problem is your language code domain, which is a bit complicated because you are currently contributing from central kanuri but previously contributed from marcolanguage. In this regard, discussions were held in the direction of asking linguists or related experts about Kanuri. I was wondering if you could recommend a Kanuri expert or linguist, someone neutral who has never edited your project. In that case please send me an email. You can email me their affiliation, name, and email address(not here! here is public). This is selective but will facilitate quick decision making. --Sotiale (talk) 12:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sotiale Alright I will do that. MohammedBama123 (talk) 21:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@MohammedBama123: Hello, I would appreciate it if you could reply to my email. --Sotiale (talk) 13:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sotiale Alright thanks.

Approval request for Czech Wikivoyage

Dear Language Committee, I'm requesting approval for Czech Wikivoyage. Czech Wikivoyage is the last missing Wikimedia project in the Czech language, so the Czech language and the Czech community is generally very active. In the past year, a stable active Wikivoyage community has formed. Now it is active every month. We kindly request your review of this project and hope that the Committee can approve it soon. LiMr (talk) 19:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I am positive about the activity of your project, and I plan to monitor the activity until this month and then proceed with the review for approval process. --Sotiale (talk) 05:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Request for verification of Sylheti Wikibooks

Dear Language Committee members, requesting verification of Wb/syl (Sylheti Wikibooks). I believe there should be a basic verification process after each proposal. This would demonstrate Langcom’s acknowledgment of the proposal’s validity and provide an avenue for feedback. Unfortunately, there has been a lack of Langcom members performing these verification checks since User:StevenJ81. Additionally, a project has been featured in the Wikimedia Incubator for over six months, meeting both basic verification requirements and the criteria for its own domain. Out of numerous Wikibook projects, this is the sole active project here. I kindly request verification and initiation of a Langcom discussion for consideration of the project. --ꠢꠣꠍꠘ ꠞꠣꠎꠣ (talk) 01:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for Komering Wikipedia

Hi Langcom, I would like to ask for approval forWikipedia Komering. This is our seventh month, and we hope to get it approved, so we can move forward with other projects like Wiktionary and Wikiquote. Es Krim 5 juta Rasa (talk) 07:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, there is something I would like to ask of you before we start reviewing your project approval. Your language must be verified by a linguist or expert because no other projects have ever been created in it. In this regard, I would like to ask if you could recommend to us a neutral expert or linguist from your community who is not affiliated with your project. They must have never edited your project and must be able to perform their role in a neutral manner. Could you please let me know their name, email address, affiliation and position via email? This is personal information, so please do not post it here or on talkpage. Thanks! --Sotiale (talk) 05:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sotiale I have sent it to your email Es Krim 5 juta Rasa (talk) 11:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Request for Addition of Devanagari and Khudabadi ( Hatavaniki) Script on Sindhi Wikipedia

Currently the Sindhi Wikipedia is only in the Arabic Sindhi script, but in India alongwith the Arabic script, Devanagari script is also used and Khudabadi (Hatavaniki) is also used to a small extent. But since the Sindhi Wikipedia is only in the Arabic script, many Indian Sindhi users are unable to use the Sindhi Wikipedia. It would be helpful to them if the Devanagari and Khudabadi (Hatavaniki) script is added in the same way as the serbo croation Wikipedia allows to switch between Latin and Cyrillic and konkani Wikipedia gives the option of Devanagari, Roman and kannada script. How can this be done and where shall we put a request for this ? Thanking you, Siddharth Talreja Siddhu Talreja (talk) 04:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Approval request for West Coast Bajau Wikipedia

Hello Language Committee, the West Coast Bajau Wikipedia project has been active for 6 months and the community would like the project to be approved. The request for the approval has been made here. If you need to find an expert on the language, we are ready to provide the contact details. Thank you. Zahirulnukman (talk) 12:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Since the verification process generally takes time, I plan to do it in parallel with a review for approval. If you know of a neutral expert or linguist not affiliated with your community, please email me with their name, email address, and affiliation information. This is personal information, so please do not post it here! --Sotiale (talk) 05:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sotiale, I already sent it to your e-mail. Zahirulnukman (talk) 17:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Approval request for Shan Wikinews

Dear Language Committee, please review our progress for approval. Thanks.Saimawnkham (talk) 15:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Note: @Saimawnkham This question was once discussed on their mailing list [2], but there's a negative problem blocks the process, that there are too many recent changes entries are only about creating multiple templates? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226 Only about creating multiple templates? Please check the recent changes again. You can check published articles here. Please let us know if we still missed something. Thanks. Saimawnkham (talk) 07:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)