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Please add any questions or feedback to the language committee here on this page.

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request for approval for Wiktionary Cantonese[edit]

It is pretty active right now and the language is widely spoken.It also has more than 1700 pages right now.—Asdfugil (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll have a look in the next few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 02:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@Asdfugil: I need one more consecutive month of activity with three registered users making ten or more edits each (during September 2018). If I get that, I will put this project up for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:Yes check.svg Done—There are not less than 3 contributors with more than ten edits this month.You can put this project up for approval. —Asdfugil (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
@Asdfugil: Thank you. Give me a day or two and I'll get it in front of them. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
@Asdfugil: Please see your talk page on Incubator and respond. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

2013 non-Wikipedia requests[edit]

I think verifying them can be easier than any ongoing verifications, and here are what I suggest:

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I was planning to try to address 2017 requests next, but will get at these soon. StevenJ81 (talk) 10:48, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, IMHO the Pipil Wikinews is a problem, because it's the only one Wikinews that is under Nahuatl languages umbrella. The solution is still waiting for that, which as a Collection of languages (see iso639-3:nah), Nahuatl does illegally have a Wikipedia that mixed a huge number of member languages. -- 09:51, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Good point, some months ago, this problem bumped a question: should we rename nahwiki to nciwiki or nhnwiki? and why? After that, the entire discussion dead, nothing happened on this panorama, really, nothing. Now the Wikidata issue bumped this problem again, because an IP user on that sent me an email that he wanna use nci, nch, ... instead of confusing nah, so we need a final target now, that nahwiki really need to be splitted finally, otherwise there're really no answer for all questions about Nahuatl. Note that I said three "really", so this is really a long-term problem now! --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
It really is. There is a LangCom member who said he would address this; let me bug him again. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Consider approving Wikinews Limburgish?[edit]

Per [1], I can see at least 3 contributors contributed many contents in their test project, while there are some oppose users on the proposal, as a real legal fan, I'd say that those oppose reasons are mess-political, that claiming Limburgish is just dialect of Dutch, which isn't always true as per [2], to me I don't see any other reasons than this "kind of nonsense" to against approval of it. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: Your call as to whether this project is ready. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, as it looks like it has kept its current activity level for half a year with nearly each day a new page, it might be ready. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Fine. Per a discussion we had elsewhere, though. You're part of the current activity level. Will you stay involved? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, as long as the community remains active, I will make sure new contents is regularly added, the same way I do now. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:53, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
OK. I will put this in for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikinews Min Dong Chinese[edit]

I request an early-bird verification of this proposal, because FWIW they're going to run an edit-a-thon in their test project, but without eligiblity verified, their edit-a-thon may be illegal. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Illegal? What utter nonsense. --MF-W 13:45, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Who knows what's illegal in the PRC? I don't know. But it's eligible, in any case. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Limburgish Wikinews[edit]

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Limburgish Wikinews. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Shan Wikipedia[edit]

The test project is active enough and have more than 1000 content pages. Please review the Shan test wiki for the final approval. Thanks. NinjaStrikers «» 12:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

They have been working hard and focussed on creating long pages, so the stub ratio has decreased a lot. I think that's a good sign for final approval. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 16:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
I think I can take this to LangCom now. I will do so tomorrow, my time, as I have a couple of other items to address today. In the meantime, @Ninjastrikers, please be prepared to identify an academic/linguist expert on the language—preferably one without strong ties to the test—who can verify the content of the test (from a language point of view). StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks @StevenJ81. I will inform about this to Shan community. @‎Saimawnkham, could you please find someone who is a Shan language expert? NinjaStrikers «» 15:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes @Ninjastrikers. We have one, a Shan language expert and he is ready for participation. Thank you all. Saimawnkham (talk) 14:02, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Manchu/Xibe language[edit]

In Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Manchu 2, it was said that, "Xibe and Daur are different languages. If you want to create projects in Xibe or Daur, please make separate requests.". However, I have recently encountered an extract from a document published by Tsumagari Toshiro, a linguistics professor who specialized in Tungusic languages, when he participated in a meeting about Manchu Studies at Korea University in year 2016, which mentioned that there are limited amount of information about spoken information on the Xibe language [as in text that transcribed how people in Xibe language say things directly] despite the relatively large amount of speakers it have, because the literary language used by Xibe speakers are de facto unchanged from the literary language of Manchu. However I cannot locate the source of the publication as I was reading it from an anonymous post on internet that quoted this extract by taking a photo of it.

Given this information, should the precaution be removed or re-worded so that contributors are also encouraged even if they are speaking the Xibe language, as long as what they wrote are standard Manchu?

C933103 (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@C933103: Makes sense. It would be worthwhile if you could find the source and add it to the the request page for reference. But I'll try to play around with the language on the page a bit. (Might take me a day or two to get to; I'm not sure.) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Anyway, Xibe does have its own ISO 639-3 code sjo; likely Daur dta. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Look, policy still dictates that languages that are "not different enough" (definition open for now, and let's not go there for the moment) do not necessarily each get a project. And in this particular case, Ethnologue on sjo says "Inherently intelligible of Manchu (mnc)". So if the written language is the same, even if the oral language is different, someone has to prove that there is a reason to create a future Xibe (or Daur) project anyway. As I said, I'll work on the wording, but I'm ok with this (conceptually) for now. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for Saraiki[edit]

As Wikipedia is thinking about creating projects in also in those language which have no ISO_3 code. In this sense if saraiki is given code sar. It would be easy to understand that it is saraiki language. So it is suggested that be created.Sraiki 15:32, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Saraiki already has code skr, and that is the code that will be used for Saraiki-language projects. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81 Thanks, Wikipedia be approved so that work be made faster.Sraiki 16:01, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

:::Why don't you use the word will in any place? -- 09:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81 Now we have improved Saraiki Wikipedia. Now stubs are less than 20%. so this wiki be approved.Sraiki 11:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
@Sraiki: I will look at the test late next week. (That's the soonest I can do it.) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
@Sraiki: I'm still checking on a couple of things, but I'm hoping to present Saraiki Wikipedia to LangCom by next week. Keep up the good work. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226 @StevenJ81, Saraiki language speaking people are in wait for Wikipedia in Saraiki.Sraiki 15:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
@Sraiki: This is now waiting on LangCom to find an expert who can verify that the test's language is Saraiki. (Don't take this personally. This is a requirement every time the first project in a new language is to be approved, and happened because of problems in the past.) Do you have the name of an academic or professional linguist—preferably one not strongly involved in your test project—whom LangCom could contact? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81 Dear, These are some professors in Saraiki.

See: 1. 2. Sraiki

@Sraiki: Thank you. I will forward to LangCom. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:19, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Mongolian language written in Mongolian script[edit]

Actually is it supposed to be represented by the ISO-639 language code cmg: Classical Mongolian? C933103 (talk) 12:24, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

There seems to be a difference between modern Mongolian written with the script and the extinct en:Classical Mongolian language. --MF-W 15:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
The thing is Encyclopedia Britannica list Classical Mongolian as an alternative name for Literary Mongolian, and then Harvard University also wrote on introduction to their Mongolian program in a way of "Classical (literary) Mongolian". There's also book that describe "Classical Mongolian" as the literary language of Mongolian. Is the "Classical Mongolian" being described by the code "cmg" being the same thing as what the Encyclopedia Britannica is describing, or is it some other thing that is not being well documented? What exactly is the "Classical Mongolian" being described? C933103 (talk) 06:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
We follow ISO 639-3. According to that, Classical Mongolian is an extinct language. So I guess this follows the definition of "some scholars [who] restrict that term [=Classical Mongolian] [...] to the latest period of its history (17th-20th centuries)" (quote from the Britannica snippet that is visible at your link). --MF-W 19:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
However, an language is consider "extinct" when there are no speakers anymore. Since Literary Mongolian is a language specifically for writing, there should not be any speakers of the language and thus the language should be extincted as it is supposed to even if there are still active use of the language in writing. I think it is similar to Literary Chinese or use of Latin after middle age era. Anyway, I think it would be the best if someone can ask ISO 639-3's RA what that Classical Mongolian actually isC933103 (talk) 21:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't really understand the issue. There is no request to create a Classical Mongolian Wikipedia at the moment, so we don't need to know what it is. --MF-W 10:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg: There are request to create a Wikipedia for Mongolian written in Mongolian script, and then also a request to create a monolingual value for Mongolian text in Mongolian script, however both of them are not proceeding at least partially because of the language code problem. If Classical Mongolian with its language code being cmg was actually the intended code for Mongolian language written in Mongolian script, then those requests can be proceed accordingly. C933103 (talk) 14:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@C933103 and MF-Warburg:
  1. Indeed, the status on SIL can sometimes be confusing, too. This is just the problem that Ancient Greek meets.
  2. For "and then also a request to create a monolingual value for Mongolian text in Mongolian script", it looks like that you're asking phab:T137810, that said, @GerardM: will not allow introducing any new codes with dash, if they're begin with macrolanguage code, and I was also actually asked SIL that if changing Mongolian from macrolanguage back to an individual language is possible or not, the Melinda from SIL respond me two emails that No, there are really variets of Mongolian that make benefit to define "Mongolian" as macrolanguage", so I cried to ask you, C933103, can you please accept the Azerbaijani mode? To allow using mvf on Wikidata, and just by local definding that "mn-mong=mvf" on modules? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
The Azerbaijani comparison isn't really appropriate, see my user talk page reply for further detail. C933103 (talk) 14:12, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Another example to what I mentioned: xwo, "Written Oirat", is listed as "extinct" despite information indicate that Oirat people are still writing in such script. That indicate language would still be marked as extinct despite they are written language and in active written use. Therefore the ISO labelling for languages extinct status is meaningless for language that are only written but not spoken. C933103 (talk) 14:12, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

So I asked SIL via email about information of what is the Classical Mongolian language in ISO 639-3. They pointed me to but the site seems to be having problem now. However as I understand the Multitree site would show users a list of resources on Lingulist. And thus there are about a dozen or so different form of materials about Classical Mongolian that are available on Lingulist. It also linked a few Linguists who are listed as related to Classical Mongolian. Some of those linked document specify Classical Mongolian = Written Mongolian, some of those doesn't mention it, some of those imply they're talking about written language with classical mongolian listed as subject language for their mail, but some of them seems to be using the code to talk about ancient speaking language and some even seems to be using the code to talk about vowels of the language being spoken in modern time in Chinese part of Mongolia. Not sure what it imply. Maybe someone can contact one of those listed linguist for detail? C933103 (talk) 07:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@GerardM: Will you have time to contact them? Because for random one of those 6 linguists, their email address are not publicly shown, and by clicking that blue button I got a captcha-like popup, but between texts and login button, I can only see "404 Not Found" --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: You can google the name and institution of those linguists listed on the site and you can usually find their email or social network accounts in the first few results. C933103 (talk) 18:34, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
@C933103: I've tried, but non of all those linguists published their email addresses in anywhere. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: How about emails listed at or or (page 2 left hand side) or or C933103 (talk) 00:13, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Then @C933103: I can confirm that the wickhamsmith is failed, because I've got an automated refusion message that "host[] said: 552 For explanation visit (in reply to RCPT TO command)", I'm trying other four. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@C933103:I've transfered a copy of response email (from Benjamin) to you, please read it in your inbox. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:56, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, so it seems like it is inappropriate to use cmg: Classical Mongolian to represent Mongolian written in Traditional Mongolian Script. And then mvf is also an ill choice to represent anything. So, what now? C933103 (talk) 14:25, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

In this situation, what would be the most suitable code? C933103 (talk) 07:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Shan Wikipedia[edit]

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Shan Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

To the community there: thank you for having an expert ready. LangCom will probably ask around using its own resources first, and then I'll get back to you if they do not have someone in a reasonable amount of time. Please be just a little patient, though: approvals of first projects in a language tend to take longer than approvals of subsequent projects in the same language. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

New language project: Ladin Wikipedia[edit]

My name is Alexander Senoner and I am a native speaker of the Ladin language. I would like to contribute to the creation of a Wikipedia in the Ladin language. I would initially set myself a goal of writing 1 or 2 articles a day in order to slowly build it up. I was wondering whether this project could continue. I have added some information about possible settings in Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ladin. Due to the small number of Ladin speakers, I have not yet found anyone else who would support it, but I have a few people in mind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asenoner (talk) 12:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Alexander, welcome. We're glad to have you.
Go to Wikimedia Incubator, at page Wp/lld. There you will find a community already at work creating a Ladin Wikipedia. I'm certain they would be happy to have you join them.
Additionally, there is a group adding Ladin-language documents to Multilingual Wikisource. I am certain you can help there, too.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
PS: Always sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end.
StevenJ81 (talk) 14:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Saraiki Wikipedia[edit]

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Saraiki Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

So two weeks past and any concerns available here? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: I cannot mark this approved until LangCom verifies the language. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


There's currently a topic on on Wikidata's translators' noticeboard asking for Asturian to be renamed to Asturleonese (link) but this isn't really anything to do with Wikidata. Can someone here help?

A couple of people from the Asturian Wikipedia are opposed to it, but there seems to be a bigger issue here, since they say that Leonese isn't allowed on the Asturian Wikipedia, but the ISO code "ast" appears to have always included both Asturian and Leonese (according to this page, it was added to ISO 639-2 in 2001 with the names "Asturian", "Bable", "Leonese" and "Asturleonese" and hasn't been changed there or in ISO 639-3 since). I have no idea what Wikimedia does in cases like this.

- Nikki (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Nikki: Hi. This ends up being not at all simple.
  • You're absolutely right about how SIL and LOC address names in ISO 639–3 and ISO 639–2, respectively. But I am told that language names at Wikimedia are drawn from the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR). That's why language names are not available for definition at As far as I know, the only way to change a language name is to get it changed there first.
  • As I know I don't have to tell you, projects generally have nearly complete autonomy in decision making. Consequently, it would be very hard to force the Asturian Wikipedia to accept content in the Leonese variant/dialect. On the other hand, there are other projects who manage that quite nicely; see, for example, Allemanisch Wikipedia, which has content in Alsatian, Swiss-German, Badisch and Swabian—and Swabian has its own language code, as far as it goes. So I would certainly encourage that project to be more open about variants.
I'm not sure what else I can do, except perhaps to copy and paste this over to Wikidata. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Activity at Kazakh Wikibooks[edit]

I raised an issue at Kazakh Wikipedia about recent activity at Kazakh Wikibooks, but I've not yet received a response. I am concerned that most of the content at Kazakh Wikibooks is either not educational or not resembling textbook material. One user's contributions concern me the most; one page looks like either a fictional story or something. I can't tell whether it's educational or not; I couldn't understand the language. If here is not the suitable venue, where else can I address this? George Ho (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@George Ho: Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
  • Kazakh is in Google translate; can you take a first stab at checking this?
  • Similarly, you could machine-translate your question, at least, at kkwiki.
  • In most cases, content within a project is autonomously managed. "Central Wikimedia", whatever that means, rarely jumps in unless there's a copyvio or BLP issue involved. Why not ask the question at kkwikibooks itself?
If you get no response at either wiki in another week or so, I'll take to LangCom. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
kkwikibooks's community portal is rarely visited, especially by reading the history logs. Also, kkwikibooks currently lacks local admins and bureaucrats. I figured that I can raise the issue at kkwikipedia, but as said, I've not yet received a response for one month. BTW, here's the translation of one page and two more pages via Google Translate. George Ho (talk) 03:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: More than a week later, my post at kk-WP got translated into Kazakh, and only the involved party replied. After that, no one else replied. Also, I also posted the notice at kk-WB, but I still got no replies there. George Ho (talk) 02:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@George Ho and StevenJ81: So is soft-closure also applies to Wikibookses? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Can something be done about bad content first before soft-closure, Liuxinyu970226? George Ho (talk) 06:14, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
There s no closure request, and as far as I can see no reason to close, even if certain items need to be deleted as out of scope. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Any word from LangCom or Board of Trustees about this? George Ho (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@George Ho: What, exactly, do you want? There is not a request to close the project, and as far as I can tell, nobody is asking to do that. There is presumably some valid content in the project, too. What I think probably needs to happen is for you to go to SRM, give the stewards some evidence that (a) someone is using the project inappropriately, and (b) some content should be deleted, and ask them to act.
I don't think soft closure applies here. Either there is valid content—and then the stewards should remove invalid content—or there is no valid content at all, and then you should request a project closure. Try working through the stewards first. StevenJ81 (talk) 23:33, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hindi Wikisource[edit]

Hi, What does need to be done to create the subdomain for the Hindi Wikisource, i.e. m:Requests for new languages/Wikisource Hindi? Regards, Yann (talk) 05:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

:There are still 159 untranslated messages in MediaWiki. Also, the following untranslated messages need to be translated because these extensions are used for Wikisource: Cite, Collection, Confirm Edit, Gadgets, Ogg Handler, Proofread Page, Vector, Licenses, Wikimedia messages. John Vandenberg 06:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

@Yann: Last 8 years the Hindi community not fulfill this minimum task. Jayantanth (talk) 18:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
And it is quite impressive that Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Hindi and Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Hindi approved so quickly, but this request have been hang by 10 year span, requested in 2008.Jayantanth (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
It does not appear that the project has been active enough. We need to see at least three registered users having ten or more edits each for at least three consecutive months. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, I have forwarded this to several people who speak Hindi. We had a workshop in Bangalore last month, and several people have expressed interest to work on this. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Narom should be protected for a period now[edit]

Because it seems that some destructive discussions made by some IP users. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:06, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm watching. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
That "IP user" has now admitted that this was you, Liuxinyu970226... You've lied repeatedely and used these IP as a very bad way to create a "sockpuppet"... Worse, you've definitely compromized your privacy on Wikimedia and associated your online activiy with everything you've done elsewhere on any other site (so now search engines and advertizers can add your public Wikimedia profile to your private IP-based profile they've collected everywhere else) ! verdy_p (talk) 04:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm not Liuxinyu, to the best of my knowlwdge, I'm Xu Jiayi, although I'm also currently living in China (I was born in Malaysia). You pointed a wrong man in this section, Please cancel your invalid point. -- 05:41, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Also Your so-called point of I'm Liuxinyu does not have any evidence in either ways, Please say sorry to him, and the edit war is based on you not me. You're insulting all the Chinese peoples around the world. -- 05:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The real lied man is you, Please say sorry to Chinese communities!!! -- 06:01, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
You are also not right: the policy is using ISO codes not BCP47 codes, Please also say sorry to StevenJ81 because you're lied here not Liuxinyu! -- 06:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
StevenJ81 Please also remove his translation administrator because he is damaging my real translation!!! -- 06:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm not did such admitation! Please say sorry for your anti-Chinese-ism here to me and to @C933103: you're insulting all Chinese peoples! -- 06:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm not lieing here! He isn't using my IP addresses!! I'm not his sockpuppet!!! I'm also not compromizing my private because I never published them!!!! You are using all caps to insult Chinese such as NEVER (which means that No Evidence Verified that you're Born in People's Republic of China but Russia) which is antiethnographism!!!!! --- 06:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Please don't spam messages here and don't ping people for irrelevant things. C933103 (talk) 06:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Liuxinyu970226 you're bedding with Verdy_p to remove my real translations Please restore them otherwise I'll kill you both!!!!!-c 06:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@ I have read what you wrote on the proposal page, please try not to be irritated and retaliate with offensive comments even after reading messages that you perceived as offensive, especially please do not make comments that contain personal threats. C933103 (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@Verdy p: If I am reading the edit history correctly, what Liuxinyu970226 said in this edit is probably related to the comment he made at this edit where he was simulating the tone of the IP user, which he later retracted and said sorry about it probably after feeling inappropriate about it and thus in no way show they're related? @Liuxinyu970226: please comment and clarify about it. C933103 (talk) 12:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, I'm trying to warn the 117.* to not insult that user, I don't know why such warn can also make connection between that IP and I. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Given the constant agressive tone of IP 117.*, and the fact he never stops and now spams everyone else, it's time to ask for blocking that IP user. He does not even help the Narom community that will feel better without this IP user to defend calmly their position and better negociate about what they can do. We have a solution for them, if they exist. But let's not confuse a whole community oif legitimate Name users with what one of them is doing abusively (he would likely be as well agressive with other Narom users if there's any disagreement on minor things and it would be equally dangerous for them to start working on the wiki, with that IP user not being able to negociate anything with anyone and spamming insults and nominative attacks everywhere he can to force his position like he does.). So I request a gradual response to educate that IP user: a temporary ban of at least one week. If he comes back and restart with the same attitude, the ban can be reactivated for a longer time. An admin with IPCheckUser privilege should inspect the Wikimedia logs to see if he is continuing or if he has other accounts. verdy_p (talk) 13:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Note: some Google search on that IP address shows easily that this user is wellknown for abuses on various websites in Chinese, Russian, Arabic, Greek, Korean... Various links are found associating that IP with "term of uses", "spam complaints", "insults", "harassment"... Apparently I don't think there's a way for Wikimedia to educate him, given his past everywhere else. And it seems that many IP addresses in this range are used by malwares/spambots. Most probably this is an anonymizing proxy built from stolen resources. I don't think there's lot of risk for Wikimedia to block that range which was used voluntarily to hide real users. verdy_p (talk) 13:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The address is a normal address being assigned by China Unicom to its users within the Tianjin province, according to first google search hit. C933103 (talk) 14:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I have closed the previous discussion and summarized it. I have called for a much narrower second discussion on the page. For the moment, I am going to leave that discussion unprotected. However, I will be very aggressive about reverting inappropriate conduct on the page. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Tacawit Wiktionary[edit]

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

The LangCom intends to approve Tacawit Wiktionary. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

Note: the interface translation for this language at is coded as shy-Latn, not shy. Nevertheless, it exists, and meets requirements.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

So this is the first ever (IIRC) language to have its Wiktionary approved before Wikipedia? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


In 2008 someone started the discussions about start an Neengatu Wikipedia. Someone may see if it is ready do be accepted or denied? Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Erick Soares3: The project remains eligible. It is not, however, anywhere close to being approvable. Here's what's missing:
  • There has been no interface translation at
  • There is not enough activity on the test project. There must be a minimum of three registered editors making at least ten edits a month over three consecutive months, and continuing until approval.
  • The project is not remotely complete enough to be considered for approval. The test project has fewer than 100 mainspace pages. The project needs at minimum several hundred pages, and a good portion of them need to be more than stubs. (There is not a minimum number of pages set by policy, but as a practical matter, unless the project is being explicitly backed by a Wikimedia Foundation affiliate, we can't even start thinking about an approval until there are 300–400 pages there, most of which are not stubs.)
If you have any further questions, please let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)