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Guianan Wikipedia[edit]

Hi, I just wanna know why the Guianan Wikipedia project has not been approved yet, because I think I did everything I needed to do ! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 05:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: You need to start filling out some of your pages. You have lots of pages, and you're starting to have enough activity. But I just checked 20 random pages of the project, and they're all stubs. 18 of them, in fact, had no more than two sentences of body text—usually only one sentence. That's not sufficient quality for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
And if you're unsure what to do, translating some more MediaWiki core messages surely doesn't harm. It's ok to do the minimum, but 15 % means e.g. the essential pages like watchlist and recentchanges are not yet usable in the language. --Nemo 20:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, StevenJ81 and Nemo, I think now we did all things we needed to do for the Guianan Creole Wikipedia and i just wanna know why this is not yet approved ?! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 14:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wikitionary[edit]

Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wiktionary are very close to their own sites so these be approved. Sraiki 16:46, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

The activity on these two tests is good, and the interface is translated. However, on doing a check of random pages, I found that at most 6 pages of the 20 I checked on Wikipedia test were more than stubs—and I think I was being generous on three of them. And none of the 10 pages I checked on the Wiktionary test were more than stubs. So please start trying to build out the pages you have and turn them into real encyclopedia or dictionary pages. Only when you have done that will the tests be ready to consider for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81 According to advice I tried my best, Now in my view in Wikipedia Saraiki stubs are very few, most articles have been developed. It is very near to be approved,Sraiki 04:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81, Dear sir, as per your instruction We are working continuosly on Saraiki wikimedia incubator and there are few stubs out of near to 900 articles. Our team is working on this project with passion to promote our language and wikipedia.So It is requested to you, please approve Saraiki wikipedia for further progress and improvement of our passion. We will be gratefull to you. Thanks.

"Engr.ismailbhutta (talk) 07:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)"

I will review this week. StevenJ81 (talk) 02:35, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
I still think the Wikipedia is only 25–30% real articles, and the rest stubs—and that is generous. Please see the definition at en:WP:STUB (or any other language version). StevenJ81 (talk) 19:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81, Sir we are grateful to you for your cooperation and guidanace. We will contact after some time and work for review. Thanks. "Engr.ismailbhutta (talk) 04:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)"

Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Chinese[edit]

Chinese Wikiversity is now big enough to have its own wiki. Would you kindly take a look at it ?

Thank you --CreativeC (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@CreativeC: We have been discussing this. In all respects except one, the project is approvable. The one snag is that there are not three registered editors participating every month. And this is especially unfortunate because there is enormous input from IP users. Is there anything you can do to make sure that at least three registered (non-bot) editors participate every month? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I will notify the last active users to keep editing. --CreativeC (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
@CreativeC: Thanks for the invite. I think that propaganda can only be done if it can be put together. I can now guarantee that some activities will be active to solve this last big hole. --夢蝶葬花@zhwikivoyage 02:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
@CreativeC and 夢蝶葬花: If you get me one more registered user with at least ten edits during May, I'll try to go to LangCom with it. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I have taken this to LangCom. So far I haven't gotten anyone to respond. Will continue to work on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Atayal[edit]

Atayal Wikipedia (tay) should have been approved a long time ago. Translation work has been done and the test has regular, consistent activity for at least 12 months. Therefore, I believe it's time to get the language verified and approve this wiki. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Very stubby, which I've mentioned to the community before. StevenJ81 (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the majority of the articles look like this and this, which is stubby. However, medium-sized pages like this and this are not too hard to find. An example of a long page is this. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
@Ooswesthoesbes: When over half the articles are stubs, is it appropriate to move to approval? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
I think most Wikipedias have over half the articles stubs. Judging from RC, they tend to be expanding old pages (mainly by adding tables), instead of creating new small articles. Which I think is a positive sign. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
That is a positive sign. OK. Let me take the next week to resolve a couple of other issues over at LangCom, and then I'll bring this one to them. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: Part of the problem is that

  • Many existing projects have a lot of stubs, especially if they are small projects that were created before the current policy went in. But at the same time ...
  • LangCom doesn't want to approve projects that are move stub than article.

Now, I just went and looked at Wp/tay. Judging generously, and counting an article with a detailed table as a non-stub, I counted four non-stubs out of 20 pages I just sent. I can't go to LangCom with that low a percentage. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I fully understand. Looks like we've got to be more precise to the community what ís a stub and what is not. If they keep up approving contents, however, the ratio should be looked at with the fact that it started out 20 in 20 pages as a stub. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 14:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Creation of new language Marwari.[edit]

Marwari language is spoken in rajasthan india. This language is much more different than othere language its has it own words,way of speaking etc. We demand a marwari Wikipedia section. For saving our language. Jai Poonia (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @Jai Poonia: This wiki was just marked as eligible. At this point, for the project to be approved, it must be more fully developed on Incubator. Please participate at incubator:Wp/rwr. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Sorani Kurdish[edit]

We have started from scratch on the ckb Wiktionary and we've been REALLY active, working hard and trying our best to create content. @StevenJ81: advised to create content, so we've been doing that and we quickly reached 200 pages (and counting) in the few days we've been working on it. We believe now it's time to consider creating our project. Remember, ckb Wikipedia started small as well, but now it's really big and read by many. The ckb Wiktionary will be the same, because we don't believe in unfinished works.--Épine (talk) 22:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, judging from the analysis, you have not yet reached the necessary goals. One of them is at least three consecutive months of substantial contributions by at least three editors. As it stands, you have only one month of activity. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello @Ooswesthoesbes: what are the other necessary goals? If we hold the project active for another two months, that's it? Also, look at the recent changes, there are three active users.--Épine (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
In general, yes. However, take in mind that LangCom may need some extra time for approving or discussing the project, and the developpers need time to actually create the wiki. The only thing you need to keep doing for now is keep editing and building a strong community. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Got it! Thanks!--Épine (talk) 13:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Also, Épine, remember that with respect to content, page count is not the whole story; quality of content in pages is also important. (I have not looked at your project recently, though I will soon; I've had to be away for a bit. So that's not a direct critique, just a general comment.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm doing my best.--Épine (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: So? Are we on the right track?--Épine (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I think if you ask again after just 4 days that is a bit difficult to answer ;) --MF-W 14:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Mapping of Wikipedias to ISO 639 codes.[edit]

Does the Language Committee maintain a mapping of Wikipedias to their ISO 639 codes? It is not always obvious which language(s) are covered by a particular Wikipedia project. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redpandacat (talk) 14:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

In general, the correspondence is straightforward. See List of Wikipedias. There are some grandfathered projects where it's not quite as straightforward. What is your question in particular? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. That makes sense. It seems in general that the two letter codes follow ISO 639-1 and the three letter codes follow ISO 639-3. The only exception (other than non-standard codes) appears to be Nahuatl Wikpedia which uses ISO 639-2. The list of non-standard language codes is useful. I think there may be a few more instances would be useful to add but I am not sure. Norwegian (Bokmål) uses 'no' but it seems the standard ISO 639-1 code would be 'nb'. Alemannic uses 'als' which is now assigned to Tosk Albanian in ISO 639-3 whereas Alemannic Wikipedia appears to represent multiple dialects which have ISO 639-3 language codes. Emilian-Romagnol Wikipedia uses eml but that ISO 639-3 code has been split into 'rgn' and 'egl'. Belarusian (Taraškievica) Wikipedia uses the non-standard code 'be-tarask'. I would be interested to hear any thoughts on these.
I wonder whether it might also be worth listing under a separate heading the ancient/historical Wikipedia projects which are presumably grandfathered. Per ISO 639-3 these could be Old Church Slavonic, Latin, Pali, Sanskrit, Anglo-Saxon, Aramaic, and Gothic. Redpandacat (talk) 10:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Are you looking for Special language codes? --MF-W 14:14, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
That's just what I was looking for. Thank you. redpandacat (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Looks like @GZWDer: had filed this idea to our Phabricator. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Piedmontese Wikisource[edit]

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

The LangCom intends to approve Piedmontese Wikisource. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Already ten days past, it's time to make decision now. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
If you follow the mailing list, you know we've had a question to resolve. And if you don't, then you've really got to stop holding a stopwatch to the process. Things are moving far faster than they were before, but it doesn't mean that there are never questions that stretch out the process a little.
As it happens, this project is approved. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Nyungar Wikipedia[edit]

I proposed a solution to the Nyungar problem here. The main contributor agrees with this solution; I'm interested in what the committee thinks of it. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 11:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes and Gnangarra: I will bring that to LangCom tomorrow morning (my time). I think they'll be ok with that (though I've been wrong about them before.) Still, they'll want to see as much content actually written in Nyungar as in English before approving. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Of course. If LangCom agrees, I will help with the implementation of this. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
@Ooswesthoesbes and Gnangarra: Submitted. Let's see what happens. (OWTB: The term that would ordinarily be used instead of "tribal", especially in Australia, would be "aboriginal".) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:53, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! Both for submitting and the terminology correction :) Should have known "aboriginal" though. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:57, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Notification about three proposed project approvals[edit]

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Note: these discussions are for objections (based on policy) only. Please do not otherwise !vote.

Pashto Wikivoyage[edit]

The LangCom intends to approve Pashto Wikivoyage. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Bengali Wikivoyage[edit]

The LangCom intends to approve Bengali Wikivoyage. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Just a note that I changed the default time zone on the proposal to UTC from Asia/Dhaka to avoid partiality towards Bangladeshis (folks in Kolkata and Agartala observe Asia/Kolkata instead). Mahir256 (talk) 17:42, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
@Mahir256: As a general rule, it would probably be better for you to go to the test project to get consensus first (or to do so on the request page here). But I see that the default time zone on both Bengali Wikipedia and Wiktionary is UTC. So we'll stick with that. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Sakha Wikiquote[edit]

The LangCom intends to approve Sakha Wikiquote. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Scots Wiktionary[edit]

As follower of the Holy Bible, I am requesting what create the Wiktionary in Scots. The majority (80%) voted in favour at the creation of this Wiktionary. Counting with the entries of books of the Bible in Scots, templates of languages and categories with relation at the Bible that I created in Wikimedia Incubator, already are 423 entries. With it, already is possible create this Wiktionary.

Leonardo José Raimundo (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Leonardo José Raimundo: This project does have an encouraging amount of content. One thing you might try to improve is that many of the pages—even ones with a reasonable amount of content—are incomplete or have broken templates.
Still, this project is not ready to be considered for approval. The main reason that is that it does not have an ongoing community of contributors. The Language proposal policy says that a the test must be an "active test project" to be approved. According to the Language Committee, that means ...
  • for at least three consecutive months ...
  • the test project has at least three registered, non-bot contributors ...
  • each of whom makes at least ten edits in a month.
Over the last five years, Scots Wiktionary has had exactly one month when at least three registered editors contributed to the project, and one of those made only one edit. So Scots Wiktionary is not even close.
If you really want this project approved, try to recruit some other people to contribute to the test project on Incubator. When you have had three or more editors active for three consecutive months, let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:32, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Wikipedia/ Meetei language[edit]

Meetei language is spoken in Manipur (with a population of 1.5 million ),india. This language is much more different than othere language its has it own words,way of speaking etc. We demand a Meetei Wikipedia section. For saving our language.

Kindly give Some procedure about this A Mangang (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I answered this already at incubator:I:RST. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Some old requests that don't have Incubator tests but also “eligible”[edit]

How do we think about that? I think that those are inappropriate. -- 23:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Orang Seletar one can just be rejected, as I explained on that page, I have no idea about two Sign languages. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure I have strong feelings about these. It's one thing when "discussion" or "on hold" projects sit in those statuses for a long time, as that makes it appear as if nobody is moving things along here. But when a project reads "eligible" and is there for a long time, all it means is that the community hasn't created enough content to get a project approved.
Still, I take your point. Let me see if the Committee has a view on this. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia[edit]

Hi, I know I ask you all time the same thing, but it's really important for me ! I just wanna know if it's possible that you can activate the project now because we have filled the pages, as you asked us, we have not filled all the pages yet, but we are trying to fill all the pages pages by the end of this month, we have all already filled over 1,500 pages(we have filled all the pages of these list : Artik vital Nivo 1, Artik vital Nivo 2 and Artik vital) and we just miss it to fill about between 500 and 750 pages, but please activate the Guianan Wikipedia because it will make almost one year I work every week on this project, and it's not really a problem for me because I like to believe that I give my language a chance to grow and open up to the world, but I think it'll be better if you activate this language because I'm losing some hope and especially the community too (FanmDjok and Léon973) about this project, it's not that we wanna give up, it's just, you know, one year and nothing has changed, just please, I don't intend to do for after leaving and forgetting the project, no I wanna develop the project and see it grow again and again and it's really to save my native language who starts to disappear a little because of the French language in French Guiana, I would like to give to my language a chance to be reborn, but for that, we need you to activate and officially create the Guianan Wikipedia, so please activate the project please !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

M. leGuyanais, et vos amis: J'ai vous dis plusieurs fois qu'il faut augmenter vos pages. Un projet où toutes les page sont ébauches ne sera pas approuvé. Ne créez plus d'autres pages; concentrez vos efforts sur l'augmentation des pages qui existent maintenant. S'il vous plaît!
Faites ça pour deux mois, et après parlons-en à nouveau. OK? StevenJ81 (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Encore, on a passé ce mois-ci à remplir plus de la moitié des pages qui existent déjà ! Mais bon si vous voulez que l'on les remplissent toutes, on va le faire, d'accord !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 03:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Approval of santali Wikipedia WP/SAT[edit]

Hi I am Fagu Baskey editor of Santali Incubator page , what I want to say is that our editors are consistently active from last year june 2017, we have comleted one year.All are putting their best effort to make it live. In various discussion of language committee I have always observed the satisfaction of member of language committee over our test page. In the last discussion of language committee on 27th April 2018 it was said about review of our content through Satdeep Gill, but by this two month we have not seen any development on this. Some of our editor are loosing patience and spirit in this long procedure.I request for sincere and strong support from all the members of language committee for early approval of Santali Wikipedia. So, that we can move ahead. Fagu Baskey (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. LangCom is trying to find a language expert that can verify that your project is written in correct Santali. This should be a professor or professional linguist. Is there such a person you can recommend? StevenJ81 (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for response , find the link of santali professors of two university 1) 2) . Language Committee can consult with these for verification of santali project. Fagu Baskey (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I will provide this to LangCom promptly. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)