Talk:Language committee/2009

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Requested updates

Wikipedia Bakhtiari

please update the page of unoficial analysis of the bakhtiari Wikipedia.[[1]]--Gh-b 17:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Request maded for "Dalmatian"

[2] Seams to be an spamming user. The languages he prefer, does not have an ISO 639-2 listing. All of them are dialects of croatian, serbian and bosnian. The arguments he give, are nationalistical attacs against croatian and bosnian integrity. Please take a look at his edits he is here to provoke. Thanks. --Seha 14:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Done, proposal had been rejected. --Millosh 03:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Aproving multiple arabic languages

As you recently approved the Egyptian language Wikipedia would u be willing to approve an Iraqi, Lebanese, Saudi, Syrian, Jordanian and Yemeni language Wikipedia on the same basis of the Egyptian language Wikipedia? All of them are not dialects but include words from English, French, Turkish and other language. These are not official languages but are daily spoken by the countries with millions of people speaking these languages.--Diaa abdelmoneim 01:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Projects which do not line up with actual language codes

May I ask if there are any plans to "correct" projects whose MW codes do not conform to the ISO codes, which presumably have greater weight and magnitude than our local MW codes? To clarify, I am speaking of projects such as the Norman Wikipedia, which is currently in the possession of the SIL code for Narom, and the Alemannic Wikipedia, currently using the SIL code for Tosk Albanian. Certainly, I have to imagine that, in the absence of a project move tab, such an undertaking would be a sizable one, even for smaller projects, and would be a disruption to its editors and readers. However, considering the chances that the ISO codes will change to fit us, I wonder if such a thing might be worthwhile, longterm. Many thanks for your time and consideration. Atelaes 15:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

We have been waiting on it for a long time too, but a while ago Brion announced that he will rename them. SPQRobin (inc!) 16:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Interestingly, however, he did not mention either of the issues which I have brought up here. Does anyone know how to bring them to his attention? Atelaes 03:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Those cases have been brought up in the rest of the discussion (there are links to "next message"), and he said he will do them as well. SPQRobin (inc!) 16:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks very much for your help. Atelaes 23:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I hope you guys realize that while handy, many SIL codes are based on erroneous classifications. The reason for this is simply that the goal of the Ethnologue is not to have detailed reports on European languages and such, but to document lesser known languages in third world countries. Due to this, basically any Joe Blow can submit a report on languages that SIL does not bother investigating, and this is what has assumably happened with Alemannic. The current classification of Alemannic by SIL and the "gsw" code is at odds with about 150 years of dialectological research. We are currently working on a proposal draft to the Ethnologue to update their report and codes for Alemannic, see here als:Benutzer:Chlämens/Ethnologue. So I am pleading for a little bit of patience here so that we won't have to move the Alemannic Wikipedia yet again once the Ethnologue rectifies their classification. --Clemens 02:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
The Alemannic and Norman Wikipedia should never have taken a code for another language in the first place. This was insane at the time and it still is. Your assertion that anyone can request a language is right, however getting one is a different thing. It is good that you try to work out the issues with the ISO-639-3 folks however the ISO-639-6 folks are likely to be of as much or even more interest to you. Thanks, GerardM 07:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
The choice of code was a decision taken by the developer at the time of the wiki's creation in November 2003 (Brion Vibber, I guess). So tell him, his decision was insane. I personally disagree with that notion. ISO 639 codes were created to make computers understand what language a document is in (well, for librarians too and everybody else who has to handle many different languages but cannot possibly distinguish them by just looking at them). It's a good thing to inform the computer about the language the document is written in and we should always do it if possible. But if it is not possible (for example if there is no valid code for the language), well, that's the computer's problem. Any code is better than having no project. The code should serve the machine to serve the human. And not the other way round. --::Slomox:: >< 17:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Best practices is that you do not mix correct codes with made up codes. Certainly not with codes that are squatting other codes. It is also an infraction on the code of use for the standard. The standard allows for made up codes. Your notion that any code is better then no code is sadly and completely wrong. Thanks, GerardM 00:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I am not defending the als code. I am saying that the gsw code is not a suitable alternative; the gsw code doesn't even stand for Alemannic as a whole because it excludes Swabian and other variants. I've even seen a crazy proposal once that suggested that the Alemannic Wikipedia should be split up along those lines to match the non-factual classification of the Ethnologue. --Clemens 00:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

May I point to the no: wiki which is Bokmål (nb:) only and not Nynorsk (nn:); while its language code means that both language forms should be allowed. Is it right that the language commitee do not wish to take a stance on this particular matter, because of the age of the language code assignment? There is currently a vote going on the Bokmål wikipedia, and unsurprisingly, it's going the wrong way. How this is something that should be voted over is beyond me.

I made a more thorough post at the Wikimedia Forum --Harald Khan Ճ 15:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

sync'ing and existing/new language tags

Quoting from the closed discussion on Akan/Twi above:

There is no precedent against macrolanguage tags if they are applicable, but new wikis are synchronized with existing wikis. Even if the existing wikis use an incorrect tag, new wikis will be created using the same tag to keep them in synch. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:12:16, 02 September 2008 (UTC)

I do not quite understand that, can you explain? Imho, an existing wiki cannot created be a 2nd time, and a closed wiki could be reopened under any name without a need to be synced (with what?) Thank you. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The subdomain used for a language is the same for all its wikis. If an Example Wikipedia were created at, the Example Wikisource would be created at even if ex was not the correct code. —Pathoschild 17:49:39, 06 January 2009 (UTC)
Aah, now I got it. Sync'ing has nothing to do with content. Thank you. --Purodha Blissenbach 18:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Status of Wikipedia Aceh

How is the status for Wikipedia Aceh now? Thanx. Si Gam Acèh 04:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

One last message is needed to complete the requirement for localising the "most used" messages. GerardM 08:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
We think, we have fulfilled all requirements for Acehnese Wikipedia Incubator's final approval (here is the statistics). How do you think? Thanx Mon Tasik 03:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
As you know, we have translated all MediaWiki messages (mostused) for Acehnese. But, we do not know why there are still untranslated messages. But now, we have translated them again. This is not our first time retranslate them. We hope Acehnese Wikipedia soon. We have waited for long time. Thanks, Danke and Cabaih. Si Gam Acèh 16:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes new messages are added to the software. You should keep them updated, even after your Wikipedia is created. SPQRobin (inc!) 17:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I see now. Thank you very much. But, how is the status for Acehnese Wikipedia now? Si Gam Acèh 02:55, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Requests ready for approval

There are two requests ready for approval the Western Panjabi wikipedia and the Bakhtiari wikipedia. They have done their localisation and they have been active (3 editors per month with more than 10 edits) for more than 3 months.--ZaDiak 21:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The Bakthiari proposal is not ready. The articles are very much two three lines for an article. We need more substantial articles before we can make any conclusions that are more positive. Thanks, GerardM 22:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

So-called "Pecheneg" language in the incubator

Hi! I have found a very strange project being maintained in the incubator: so-called "pecheneg language". It is a great problem occured. We just have another one "siberian" project but by Turkish now. The real Pecheneg language had been extincted 8-9 centuries ago! But here we can see both the project and the near-nonsence page in English Wiki with 12 speakers and almost 99% of turkish words :). I think it should be closed. Sura 22:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

People can do in the Incubator whatever they like. This does not mean that they have requested a project and it does not mean that they are likely to get their request approved. The language committee only looks at things when it is put in front of them. Thanks, GerardM 07:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I think, as long as there's no official request the language committee is not involved. But of course the Incubator project can decide to stop the test project if it cannot possibly lead anywhere. They could for example send them to Wikia. --::Slomox:: >< 16:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
So anyone could think out any artificial language by himself and start a project in the incubator? Sura 23:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
It's a wiki. So yes. Incubator is a test project. Tests can fail or can be doomed to fail right from the start. Pecheneg Wikipedia will never be an official Wikimedia project under current rules and it's highly unlikely, that the rules will ever change in favor of it. So we should tell this to the people behind the test project. Tell them to create a Wikia project. It's in their own interest to find a safe hosting place. --::Slomox:: >< 08:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
@Sura: no, you can only start a project in Incubator if there's a valid ISO 639 code, which is the case for Pecheneg (we moved the whole test to match with ISO 639). I once explained them they won't get a Wikimedia project, but they continue (I don't know the details anymore..). Test projects without a valid ISO 639 code have priority to be deleted. SPQRobin (inc!) 18:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Vegliot Dalmatian proposal

The same issue as above for Dalmatian [3] [4] Crazymadlover

For the record, Dalmatian (dlm) is not the same case as Pecheneg. It is a well-attested dead language with a valid code, not a constructed one bearing the name of a barely attested dead language. And second, Dalmatian has not been rejected yet, since there hasn't been any proposals for it. The proposal on Cml's 2nd link refers to the Dalmatian dialect, a modern Slavic dialect with no ISO-code. Of course, if someone actually makes a proposal for opening a dlm-Dalmatian wiki, it will be rejected per the current policy of not allowing projects with no native speakers. Finally, although there were two articles in the incubator written in Romanian, bearing the the dlm-code, I personally deleted their content and rewrote them using real dlm. --Omnipaedista 10:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Found it. --Omnipaedista 05:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for update for Mirandese - MWL

I wanted to know what are the formal steps to approve the Mirandese Wikipedia. We have translated 100 essentials articles (some have been reviewed by me or by Amadeu Ferreira, one expert from Mirandese) and there are already more articles. Also, "Most Used Messages" have been localized. Thank you Cecílio 01:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Mirandese

Updated. SPQRobin (inc!) 11:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary Mirandese

Updated. SPQRobin (inc!) 11:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Requesting Middle English

I want to request for a Wikipedia for Middle English. On the Surface many might think Middle English is the same as Modern English, but it is quite different. Especially Non-Chaucer forms (since it was his dialect that the standard was based) show an incredible difference. I think this would be another interesting Wiki. -- 21:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

You probably want to visit incubator: and start a project, then. 23:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Simple english


Several users raised the question of the existence of simple english wikipedia. Does it fall within the remit of this committee?

Ghaag 07:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

No, the committee is only responsible for managing requests for new wikis. —Pathoschild 10:43:12, 05 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Korean Wikiversity

At the moment the MediaWiki messages are done. The extensions are not yet done. I can state this on the page however the requirement of full localisation is at the moment of assessment. Therefore I can but it does not take away the need to maintain the localisation for the MediaWiki messages. Thanks, GerardM 07:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


There are still no full archives for January and February. --Partheus 21:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

And now it's April... --Partheus 21:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
May, yeah! --Partheus 00:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
And after that soon it was June. --Partheus 17:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Do not deny, do not deny, that on 6 of July, it was still not done... --Partheus 23:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
And on August 2nd, as you may have reckoned, my dearest son, the archives are still undone. --Partheus 19:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I want to remember: now it's September. --Partheus 13:58, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Some new archive pages have been created, but they are not completed and linked. Look here: February 2009, March 2009, April 2009, May 2009, June 2009. With regards, --Holder 14:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Requests for approval Mirandese Wikipedia

I want to request the approval of Mirandese Wikipedia. I think Mirandese Wikipedia already passes all criteria for final approval. Thank you. --Cecílio 09:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Palatinate German Wikipedia

Could you please update Language committee/Status/wp/pfl? The "500 most used messages" have been translated. Thank you very much. Holder 17:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Updated. SPQRobin (inc!) 00:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you please update Language committee/Status/wp/pfl? I think now there is an active test project on incubator. What are the next steps? Thanks, Holder 07:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

You need an active test project for at least three months (here is an analysis). SPQRobin (inc!) 11:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! ;-) Holder 05:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Requirement for Living native speakers

"The proposal has a sufficient number of living native speakers to form a viable community and audience. (Wikisource wikis are allowed in languages with no native speakers, although these should be on a wiki for the modern form of the language if possible.)"

Would this not entail that Wikimedia projects are supposed to be usable products, rather than repositories of knowledgeable information? Why Latin, is it grandfathered in? —Centrxtalk • 01:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: "Latin". Yes, it was created before the language committee was created and they have no control over it. They only deal with new wikis. Cbrown1023 talk 03:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Requests for approval Lower Silesian Wikipedia

I want to request the approval of Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lower_Silesian. I think Lower Silesian Wikipedia already passes all criteria for final approval. Thank you. 13:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I think first you have to translate all "most used messages" on With regards, --Holder 16:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment (

ISO retired the language code eml and splitted it into two new codes: egl (Emilian) and rgn (Romagnol). Is there a possibility to split the into two different wikis? As you can see from the eml:Main Page, there is a different Main page for each dialect spoken in w:Emilia-Romagna. There is a discussion now on --FollowTheMedia 18:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

A discussion on it: is _completely_ irrelevant to the fate of the eml wiki, and what ISO does with its codes is irrelevant too. Only if the community of eml: wants to be split, that will happen.
And of course the language committe has no say in this too. The committee is only relevant for new projects. --::Slomox:: >< 17:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
The language might formulate an opinion. Not having a say is not the same as having an influence. GerardM 18:44, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Only if the community of eml wants to be split, that will happen.

Which way?
I'm very involved with it.
Sentruper , 11 May 2009

Requests for approval Meadow Mari Wikipedia

Hello! I want to request appoval for Meadow Mari Wikipedia. We have already translated all most used messages and I suppose that our community is rather active. --Сай 04:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

At this stage there are not enough people working on it. GerardM 18:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi! We have Meadow Mari Wikipedia on incubator since November 2006. And it was edited and active since March 2008 (look at automated statistics). Last few months the activity was not so big, because of translating the interface messages.
I know people that haven't registered on incubator yet. They are waiting for Mari Wikipedia, because it is not comfortable to write articles in incubator(you need to always write prefix Wp/mhr, you don't have a tool recent changes and so on). Thats why I am asking you for approval. Take a look at previous months, our community can be active. Recently we have translated interface messages, and now we are ready to make efforts on writing good articles. And writing articles is more comfortable in wikipedia than in incubator.
If you don't want to approve our wikipedia at this stage, please provide us information on how many editors should be in incubator for approval, and update our status page, please. --Сай 09:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
What's the problem, Gerard? Mari is important and endangered. We should help. Evertype 23:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I count three non-bot users who have contributed to the Mari test Wikipedia in 2009: Azim, Сай, and Leonst. That meets the criterion of "at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months". It's not super-active, but I think Сай is right that people will be more likely to contribute to a real Wikipedia than to the test. I see no reason not to move to final approval. Antony D. Green 17:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
But if we treat this request with the thought "people will be more likely to contribute on a real Wikipedia" then we should treat every request like that. Every test has the same situation [on Incubator]. SPQRobin (inc!) 13:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello! Come on, guys. Antony D. Green said that Mari Wikipedia meets the criterion of "at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months". Most-used MediaWiki messages are already translated, so the criteria of "complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language" meet too. If we need something more for approval, tell us, please, what is the problem. I really want to see real Mari Wikipedia. --Сай 03:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
It is activity. The request meets the criterion if you *combine* all not-grayed out editors. I thought the criterion means there need to be three not-grayed out editors for each month. Apparently it can be interpreted differently... SPQRobin (inc!) 07:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Please, update status page, most-used MediaWiki messages are already translated. --Сай 04:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Done M.M.S. 12:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi! I want to request appoval for Meadow Mari Wikipedia once again. All most used messages are already translated and now we have an active community. For two last monthes we have at least three not-grayed out non-bot users. --Сай 19:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this should be approved. 09:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi there! I am glad to inform you, Language committee, that now Mari Wikipedia Incubator commutity has three active not-grayed out editors for last three monthes (look at statistics). So, the last requirement is meet now.
Also I want to add, that there will be a big conference in July, 10. There would be around 150 young mari. I will take part in this conference and intend to talk about Mari Wikipedia to involve more people to contribute. There are more chances that new participants will contribute to Wikipedia than to Incubator. So, I am asking you to consider approval of Mari Wikipedia before the start of conference(before July, 10). As for me, I have some technical skills. I can help you, for example in creating subdomain or in moving pages, etc. And of cource, if you think that mari wikipedia don't have something for final approval, please, write it here immediatly, so we can fix and solve all the problems before July 10. --Сай 11:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, this is very good. I don't know who pushes the button to turn the new Wiki on but if you're reading this please DO IT. Evertype 07:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
If all requirements have been met and a detailed investigation finds no unresolved problems, the language subcommittee will notify the Board of Trustees of pending approval. If the board does not veto the decision within at least four days, the request will be approved and developers will be asked to create the wiki. - these is the final approval process. Evertype, you are the member of language subcommittee, so now you and other members of the committee should notify the Board of Trustees of pending approval. And the button to turn the new Wiki on would be pushed. --Сай 11:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The policy says it has to be verified by external sources before final approval. This is the same for all current requests which have been proposed at the langcom mailing list. I asked what the state is of current requests but there is no real answer. SPQRobin (inc!) 19:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to Tim and others from Wikimedia tech team! Wikipedia in Meadow Mari has been created. --Millosh 19:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for creation of Mari Wikipedia!!! Azimbaj 21:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for Mari Wikipedia! You have done it just in time! It is great! --Сай 14:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorani activity

Hi, I left the following note at the incubator:

Attention: The incubator is actually not being used for ckb at the moment. Since the new wiki will probably be created by transferring the existing 500+ Kurdish Sorani pages from the Kurdish Wikipedia, transferring them here and later to ckb would be useless double work.

Hope this is ok. Pathoschild's question about Sorani activity is answered here. --Erdal Ronahi 09:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Korean Wikinews

It is up-to-date. The MediaWiki core messages are translated at this moment, but they should be updated regularly so therefore they aren't marked as "done". SPQRobin (inc!) 18:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for close

Is it possible to close this proposal as "rejected"?. Thanks. —Dferg (talk) 15:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Requests for approval Lower Silesian Wikipedia

Hello! I want to request appoval for Lower Silesian Wikipedia. We have already translated all "most used messages" and I suppose that our community is rather active. Thank you. 16:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Mirandese Wikipedia

I believe the Mirandese Wikipedia already fulfills all the necessary requirements to have its own wiki. Take into account that, if this is approved, it will be the first wiki in Mirandese, not the second as it may seem from the apparent necessary requirements: the Wiktionary is also underway but still has not formed a necessary community. Malafaya 15:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Nobody replies? I don't understand why the Mirandese Wikipedia isn't already approved. Can please someone give me one credible answer? In Portuguese national TV where announced some "works" done for MY language, like translating big sites used in Portugal, but it seams that Wikipedia just doesn't want to approve Mirandese Wikipedia. Who looses is the Wikipedia itself, the Mirandese Language, and worst, many children that may learn something with the work that is already done, but they won't visit it because the URL is too ** long; besides they are native Portuguese speakers but in portuguese wiki articles there is no connection to mirandese. É para amanhã ou quê? Pardon my English. --Cecílio 06:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for update - Western Panjabi Wikipedia


Could someone please update the Status of Western Panjabi Wikipedia?

Thankyou very much. --Jose77 23:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Lower Silesian Wikipedia

Could you please update Language_committee/Status/wp/sli? The "500 most used messages" have been translated. I think there is also an active test project. Thank you very much. Holder 12:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. SPQRobin (inc!) 16:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Requests for approval bakhtiari Wikipedia

I want to request the approval of [[7]]. I think bakhtiari Wikipedia already passes all criteria for final approval.Could you please update [[8]]?. Thank you.--Behdarvandyani 14:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Behdarvandyani.
There must be an active project until approval. The Bakhtiari Wikipedia Project on Incubater is rather inactive at present (look here). A project is called active, if at least three users make ten edits per month for at least three months.
So look for some native speakers and and build an active project.
With kind regards, Holder 09:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

egl.wikipedia and rgn.wikipedia

A discussion on it is _completely_ irrelevant to the fate of the eml wiki, and what ISO does with its codes is irrelevant too. Only if the community of eml: wants to be split, that will happen.

That sounded totally strange to me! Back in 2006 (!) I already proposed a Wikipedia in Romagnol:

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Romagnolo

This was the final decision:

This discussion was created before the implementation of the Language proposal policy, and it is incompatible with the policy. Please open a new proposal in the format this page has been converted to (see the instructions). Do not copy discussion wholesale, although you are free to link to it or summarise it (feel free to copy your own comments over). —{admin} Pathoschild 02:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ehi! Pathoschild is you!
Please, help me to understand: NOW meta.wikimedia has new rules.
But I can read this:

  • Requisites for eligibility
    1. The proposal ...
    2. The language must have a valid ISO-639 1–3 code (search).

Sentruper, 11 May 2009

Türkçe Vikihaber projesi (Turkish Wikinews project)

Request for korean wikinews

Language committee/Status/wn/ko

I think that it can be final approved. -- WonRyong 06:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello WonRyong. I think there are two requirements, which aren't met by your project:
There must be an active project until approval. The Korean Wikinews Project on Incubater is rather inactive at present (look here). A project is called active, if at least three users make ten edits per month for at least three months.
Second point is that for a wikinews project the "extensions used by wikimedia" have to be translated on The localization statistics for Korean: extension used by wikimedia foundation 86.40% (required: 90%), so first you have to translate these messages on With regards, Holder 12:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

new project creation timeline?

Is there a new project creation timeline available anywhere on Meta already, that tells me - in chronological order - which project was created when? I'd be interested in the creation ratio. --::Slomox:: >< 13:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI, all creations since 2007 are on the page incubator:I:SCL. SPQRobin (inc!) 12:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Have a look her: Wikimedia_projects. But I don't know whether these dates are correct. Holder 07:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Requests for approval Georgian Wikisource

Hello, I would like to request approval for Georgian Wikisource. There seem to be many people who are interested in creating it. Also this is the Test project.--George Mel 16:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi George Mel
for an approval of a Georgian Wikisource project all messages and extensions used by wikimedia have to be translated on
Kind regards, Holder 08:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Greetings Holder, first of all thank you for your reply.

All the necessary Mediawiki messages have already been translated & are used across all Mediawiki projects. Generally speaking, these messages aren't translated in Wikipedia itself, so asking us to translate this seems unrealistic. Also, I'd like to mention, that creating Georgian Wikisource is a very up to date deceision, as there is just one normal library in Georgian Web. It's possible to find a dozen of reasons why Georgian Wikisource is worth creating for example that growing number of people is getting access to Internet. I agree with you up to a point, that rules must be obeyed, but sometimes bureaucratic rules must be ignored. Best Regards, --George Mel 16:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

When the messages in Georgian have been localised elsewhere, it can be requested to have them imported in The developers at this site will run some checks on it. Only when the messages at are at 100% for the two required categories will we consider your request. Thanks, GerardM 10:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for approval Mirandese Wikipedia

Please, what more do we have to wait for see a Mirandese Wikipedia approved? We have already done all the requirements. Please, approve it as soon as possible. -- Chabi

Request for update Coptic & Ancient Greek Wikisource

Can you please update Language committee/Status/ws/cop & Language committee/Status/ws/grc so that they are categorized under their respective categories under the Multilingual (aka: "Old") Wikisource? They have been transferred from Incubator to Oldwikisource recently and have subsequently met the requirements for a test project at Oldwikisource. (See my notes for Coptic Wikisource & Ancient Greek Wikisource.) Thanks, ~Troy 20:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Done SPQRobin (inc!) 22:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Palatinate German Wikipedia

Could you please update Language committee/Status/wp/pfl? --Holder 08:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the test project is active since March. --Holder 14:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Lithuanian Wikinews

Hello, could you please update this page Language committee/Status/wn/lt? Matasg 22:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

The current statistics are 99.350% for the Wikimedia core messages and 37.96% for the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation. Thanks, GerardM 10:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Matasg,
this means: for an approval of a Lithuanian Wikinews project the extensions used by wikimedia have to be translated on
Kind regards, Holder 17:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for update the Adyghe Wikipedia

Could you please update this page Language_subcommittee/Status/wp/ady. If any! كهيعص 06:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello كهيعص. I think there are two requirements, which aren't met by your project:
There must be an active project until approval. The Adyghe Wikipedia Project on Incubater is rather inactive at present (look here). A project is called active, if at least three users make ten edits per month for at least three months.
Second point is that for a new project the "media wiki messages (most used)" have to be translated on With kind regards, Holder 08:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanx alot كهيعص 10:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Vegliot Dalmatian Wikipedia

There are test wikipedia on Vegliot Dalmatian language (revived historical language). We have comunity of 4-5 people and 40 articles and it is groving everyday. But on lists of test wikipedias there are no wp/dlm. Please update it .

Hi! "Which lists of test wikipedias" do you mean? Which list should be updated? According to the Language proposal policy, a Wikipedia project in a extinct language will not be approved (the projects in Latin or Gothic were appoved before the new Language proposal policy has been established). In the list Requests for new languages the projects with a request are listed. As I see there is no request for a Wikipedia project in Dalmatian (and if there would be one it would be rejected), there has been a request for a Wikipedia in the modern Slavic dialects of Dalmatia (look here: Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Dalmatian) but it has been rejected. With kind regards, Holder 04:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Vegliot_Dalmatian is not same as Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Dalmatian and Dalmatian is not entirely extinct , and you can see that our test project has 50 articles , and there are lot of wikipedias with 5-10 articles which are not closed. Where does justice gone ?

Sait viva Dalmaćia deliberuta e viva nuestra biala langa Dalmata !!! Ju sai Dalmata e Dalmata langa sant maia langa e cuond jultri pota faular e scriber in jali langa e ju potai in maia langa. Ci langa dova sait favlut in Dalmaćia mui na langa Dalmata ?

I see, I've read the wrong request ;-) On Requests for new languages your request is now listed, but Dalmatian is still an extinct language and your request will be rejected according to Language proposal policy. I think Wikipedia is not the place to revive an extinct language (this would be a kind of original research). If you built a language community, which revives this language outside of Wikipedia, well, perhaps there may be the time to creat a Dalmatian Wikipedia! Don't stop working for this language - even if you request will be rejected. With regards, --Holder 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
As foreseen, your request has now been rejected by the language committee. With regards, Holder 17:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for update, Hiligaynon Wikipedia

Hello Sir! Could you please update this page

Thank you very much! --Tagimata 16:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. The localisation is currently done, however the test project at Incubator is not active enough. SPQRobin (inc!) 16:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for update and approve, Mirandese Wikipedia

Please, update the page of unofficial analysis of the Mirandese Wikipedia. And Mirandese Wiki be approved? --Cecílio 02:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It has been approved by the Language Committee. Now it awaits Board approval, and then a bug will be submitted for the creation of the wiki. SPQRobin (inc!) 16:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for Update: Sorani (ckb) WP

Please check whether you can approve the split away from the generic Kurdish Wikipedia now. You can see in the list of new articles there that the activity of articles with Arabic script is really high and sustained. --Erdal Ronahi 17:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

It has already been approved by the language committee. Now it is waiting for Board approval, and then a bug will be submitted to create the wiki. SPQRobin (inc!) 11:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I see finished Translating Mediawiki Messages

I see finished Translating Mediawiki Messages. -- 13:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Greek Wikinews

Hello, could you please update Language committee/Status/wn/el? The localisation has been completed. --Consta 14:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for inclusion of Wikipedia North Frisian 3

I created a new request for this Wikipedia at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia North Frisian 3. I'd like to see it included here too. Thanks in advance, Fentener van Vlissingen 18:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Done--ZaDiak 21:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Georgian Wikisource

Please update the unofficial Language committee/Status/ws/ka status.--George Mel 18:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Central Nahuatl (nhn)

It seems the Classical Nahuatl nhn ([9]) Wikipedia test did not have a propper request as new language. The test has already two active users and 20 articles, but is this lack of approval supposed to stand in its way to become an actual Wikipedia? If it does, please tell me what can I do. Shall I request it? Briefly, nhn is a valid ISO 639-3 code [10], certified as "Central (Modern) Nahuatl", living language with over 40,000 speakers. Though a Classical Nahuatl Wikipedia already exists as nah, it is a dead language, thus, this new Wikipedia would be useful for people who actually speak and understand the language as a living tongue.--Fluence 17:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Status for the Zazaki Wiktionary project

Hi, I am writing for the Zazaki Wiktionary project. I and my friends are just wondering where are we in the approval process. We initiated the project in February 09. Since then, we have not receive any feedback or status update. We will greatly appreciate if we get any feedback or status update. Here is our request: Wiktionary_Zazaki Request. Thank you. --Xoser 20:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

The localisation of your language is at 27.37%, 0.28% for the MediaWiki core and for the messages of extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation. WHen they are both at 100% we will have a look at the other requirements. Thanks, GerardM 21:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for update of Wikipedia North Frisian 3

Nearly a month ago, User:Pyt completed the localization into North Frisian of the 500 most used MediaWiki messages. I would like to request an analysis and a verification of eligibility for the project. Fentener van Vlissingen 00:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Poking is good.. There is one message left to do.. it is currently fuzzied.. I have asked the lc about giving the project the eligible status .. with a positive recommendation. Thanks, GerardM 07:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


Hello members of the language committee!

Sometimes it seems that the LC is rather inactive. I know that most activity of the LC is not public but:

  • Sometimes there are questions on this talk page, which aren’t answered for weeks.
  • There are new requests that are not verfied for eligibility, e. g. Main Frankonian. I think the vmf code is perhaps problematic, see discussion, but it is not completely wrong. On the other hand there are very engaged people working on Main Franconian test project, so it would be helpful for them if the language committe decides in a early stage of the procedure if the language code is accepted and the request is verified as eligible. Otherwise the community has to optain a new code, so perhaps all work will be with no avail.
  • For others there are requests for an update of the status page (e. g. Palatinate German has an active test project since six months but on the status page the criterion is still "inactive")
  • There are requests which met all requirements but even in such cases it seems that nothing happens, e. g. Lower Silesian.

If time is a scarce good for you - a common problem for all projects that are based on voluntary contribution: what about admitting two or three more people into the language committee?

For example somebody, who’s responsible to hold the contact to new project communities. Sometimes there are enthusiatic people, who don’t really understand the requirements in Language proposal policy. Perhapse in such cases it would be beneficial if there is somebody who conducts new interested users through the application procedure.

I don’t want to importune you but I fear that sometimes enthusiastic people could be scared because after months of work it seems that nothing happens.

On the other hand there are of course new projects that have been created like Turkish Wikinews or the Wikipedias in Acehnese, Kurdish (Sorani), Meadow Mari, Mirandese, and Western Panjabi. Thank you very much for these decisions!

Kind regards, --Holder 13:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

You cite Lower Silesian, it does not have a 100% localisation of the most used messages consequently it does not register as a language that needs attention. When a language gets to that stage, we are happy to be pinged.
One of the admins at Incubator is a committee member.. that was exactly to make for better communications.. Thanks, GerardM 07:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
@Lower Silesian: Sorry, I just had a look on the status page, where it is stated that "most used messages" are complete, of course on translatewiki there is the real status ... ;-)
@Palatinate German: I've now translated all most used messages, that have been changed or added. --Holder 07:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
You don't need to pay attention to Silesian cause it has no full localisation. But as a matter of fact Silesian had a full localisation, but nobody paid any attention until the full localisation deteriorated due to one added message and three fuzzied messages.
When a language gets to that stage, we are happy to be pinged. The status pages are fully templatized. It should be easy to implement some logic to add a category that is added to all status pages where all requirements are fulfilled. Then you don't need to be pinged. --::Slomox:: >< 11:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Something like:

{{#ifexpr: {{#ifeq: {{{status|}}} | eligible | 1 | 0 }} and {{#ifeq: {{{new|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} and {{#ifeq: {{{code|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} and {{#ifeq: {{{unique|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} and {{#ifeq: {{{scope|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} and {{#ifeq: {{{test|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} and {{#ifeq: {{{l10n main|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} and ({{#ifeq: {{{l10n core|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} or {{#ifeq: {{{l10n core|}}} | optional | 1 | 0 }}) and ({{#ifeq: {{{l10n ext|}}} | done | 1 | 0 }} or {{#ifeq: {{{l10n ext|}}} | optional | 1 | 0 }}) | [[Category:Language status pages ready for approval]] }}

--::Slomox:: >< 11:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Unlock of Kirmanjki Wiktionary project

For reasons of time, I have neglected the Kirmanjki Wiktionary project and so it is now closed. I would like to continue the activity in this project again. How can we undo the closure? --Mirzali 21:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

You can request the re-open here. Barras 21:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks for the quick reply! --Mirzali 21:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
But there is already a request for this project since 04-Jul-2009 and it is also verified as eligible. Because of very little editing on the new project for several months, the wiki has gone inactive. There are not any analysis about the project. How can I continue the project, and who can unlock it again? --Mirzali 21:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
The project can be found in the incubator link. Barras 21:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
You lead me back into the wrong path. You know it well that this is a different project. Who gives you the right to mislead me? Please refrain from it! If you're dealing with the matter (namely, with the closure), please do it right again. Otherwise, I would contact the necessary lever into gear. --Mirzali 21:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, now I got it. You want to move the project to its own url. Well, I don't know how to and who is allowed to do this, but I think it would be a good idea to ask the user who "closed" this a eligible, Millosh. He probably knows more. Barras 22:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Just continue to work on the project and after it becomes mature enough, you'll get separate wiki for Wiktionary. (If I understood you well. If it is not what you've asked, please explain it to me more precise.) --Millosh 02:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

With the project in the incubator, the requirements for getting it out of the incubator are the ones for starting a new project. One of the requirements is the localisation in your language.. At the moment the statistics say 35.30% for the MediaWiki core messages and 0.04% for the messages used by extensions used by the WMF. Important to note is that the "most used" messages are at 87.71%. Thanks, GerardM 22:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Request for update, Zazaki Wiktionary project

We translated all of the messages in "MediaWiki Core" and "Extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation". Can we please get a status update? Thank you. Here is the request: Wiktionary_Zazaki Request --Xoser 06:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Pemon, external links

I have a question: what external links are needed? I want to know if external links are necesary and if so, exactly which? I want to submit a proposal for Pemon, a native American language spoken in Venezuela, Brazil and Guyana. The language is currently spoken by some 30000 persons, it has its ISO code, it has gone through a strong revival, it is recognized as one of the official languages of Venezuela, there are textbooks in that language, dictionaries, grammars and a couple of links, but not much on the Internet. I am not a native speaker, but there are several native speakers behind this idea and I am writing on their behalf as I speak a little bit better English than they do. Thanks for your answer regarding external links.

--Periergeia 22:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

What is required is a link to the ISO-639-3 page for the language at SIL. In this way the recognition of the language and its scope is defined. Thanks, GerardM 10:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
The ISO code is aoc (for who is interested :) ) GerardM 10:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Badaga Wikipedia and wikibooks

Can Any one please check and update the status of the Badaga projects. Can I know when it get approved . thanks --Wijayan 15:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It takes time for the language committee to reply to the request that had been made.. A sufficient quorum is fine with the request so there is a new state of "eligibility". Which of the two requests should come first ? Thanks, GerardM 10:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Lower Silesian Wikipedia

Lower Silesian has now (again) a 100% localisation of the most used messages. Will Lower Silesian Wp be approved? --Holder 05:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Palatinate German Wikipedia

Also Palatinate German has now (again) a 100% localisation of the most used messages. It had an active project for about half a year. Will Palatinate German Wp also be approved? --Holder 05:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


re: bugzilla:021791 - "migration of names.php to a relational model using ISO-639-3, ISO 15924, directionality, variants, etc."
Dear friends is there an actual translation table of the codes from Names.php to ISO-639-3 ? My old lists at ISO-639-3, ISO-15924, directionality did never work and are partialy outdated. Oter wikis containg similar attempts where disclosed etc. Thanks for your efforts in advance! Best regards ‫•‏לערי ריינהארט‏•‏Th‏•‏T‏•‏email me‏•‏‬ 01:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Request for update Bulgarian Wikiversity

Hello Stanqo.
I think that status page is up-to-date.
There are two requirements, which aren't met by your project:
There must be an active project until approval. The Bulgarian Wikiversity is rather inactive (look here). A project is called active, if at least three users make ten edits per month for at least three months.
Second point is that for a new project the "media wiki messages" and the "extensions used by wikimedia" have to be translated on
With kind regards, --Holder 12:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. --Stanqo 17:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Yue update

All MediaWiki messages have done.-HW 07:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)