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License policy abuse on votewiki[edit]

There's in these with unclear copyright status. Unfortunately common people can't even edit the wiki in order to report the abuse so I'm reporting it here. Please move it to Commonswiki or delete it for good. Such a display of spitting on own licensing policy by WMF is disgusting :P --Base (talk) 16:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC) Omg we don't even have an interwiki prefix for the wiki. --Base (talk) 16:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Have you tried contacting the uploader, Jalexander-WMF to discuss it with him? That's usually a good first step, esp. since he is one of only two non-blocked admin on the project. (Oddly, Reedy is still an admin, though blocked.) Alternately, Philippe (WMF) is also an admin on that wiki and could probably help. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 17:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
The picture was uploaded under fair use and says such along with the author's name. There is no abuse of the license policy. It will be deleted over the coming week as we clean up from the election (probably over the next couple days) since it is no longer needed. I'm sorry that you don't like that it was done, however the image was deleted suddenly from commons (and, to be fair, it should have been) and not having the image or having a red link would have been an unfair disadvantage to the candidate. Jalexander--WMF 07:59, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
As James says, there's no long-term intent to keep or use that file. It was short-term, fair-use, and used to not unfairly disadvantage a candidate for election. Given the circumstances, and the fact that it's being deleted shortly, I think it's probably okay. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 08:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
  • The file was deleted several times commons:File:Timbo-super-serious.jpg, however Jalexander-WMF'a makes sense (however I don't understand his comment that there was no license issue. Image source? Fair use rationale?). If the image is deleted now, I suggest to replace it with File:Example.jpg or "This image was deleted.jpg" (if there is any such file) in the original page where it was used by the candidate. --TitoDutta 10:14, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
In order to use fair use the wiki should have approved EDP — that's per the licensing policy again. Could you give me a link to the one on the votewiki? But still it'd be impossible to fairuse a pic of currently living person per the same policy. Well unless he is imprisoned, a hermit or whatever exceptionally case. As to not contacting the uploader directly — well I just thought it's clear enough case for anyone to act upon it. I still do. As to a candidate not having a picture of himself — well it takes a cam and 10 minutes in order to create one and upload it (another 15min if you use a friend+OTRS instead of a timer). Though active wikimedians usually already have some other pics of themselves on Commons. If they don't then perhaps they are not too much of outreach activity and it's a disadvantage in it's own. --Base (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

The file is still there. --Base (talk) 23:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC) And still. It seems that WMF has absolutely no intention to fix its own abuse :P --Base (talk) 16:28, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

"There are no pages that link to this file" on, there are also no pages using the enwiki picture. These uploads were erroneous, the red links were and still are here on Meta, not on or enwiki. All active admins for the 14 users obviously agree on "yes, we have an EDP, and we will figure out for what purpose", see above.:tongue:Be..anyone (talk) 19:47, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


(I wrote about it. But there was no reaction ?! The reason I am writing again. Please avoid vandalism.)

User:sefer azeri' is engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out.), 2 (Without any major wiped out the picture., , ) , 3 (Fraud. Map changed. 100 years have reduced the state's history.), 4 (Insult.)... Requires block it for at least a year. But it was never punished for their work. Sortilegus always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out), 2 (The name of the state, has been removed.), 3 (Reliable sources wiped out)... Wertuose always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Picture of the article - az:Bakı xan sarayı), is deleted.. 2 (insult; Əxlaqsız ifadələrə görə...). The 3 users blocked me, without any reason! We do not have arbitration and appellate courts. Therefore, administrators dictator. No one can give me an answer?! To whom should I complain? -Idin Mammadof (talk) 22:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Of course you won't get a response, this is not a place to make this report, Request for comment is the correct place to ask about sysop abuse.--AldNonymousBicara? 23:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Perhaps now would be the reaction?. -Idin Mammadof talk 07:55, 14 Yune 2015 (UTC)
Comment regarding that RfC will be made by anyone who read and care about the case. But on the most part other uninvolved admin from local projects should be the one who decide and solve it instead of people from meta.--AldNonymousBicara? 09:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Of course. But our adminstrators will not see any action. -Idin Mammadof talk 05:44, 16 Yune 2015 (UTC)
AldNonymous, there is no reaction. What do I do? -Idin Mammadof talk 18:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


[Labs-l] NFS outage in progress, [Labs-l] [NFS outage] Tools is back
[Labs-l] NFS outage in progress, Adminnotizen deWP

Why has the Tool-Labs server broken down again, while the WMF is hoarding tons of money and personnel, and this server has to be one of the main concerns for the WMF. The WMF has to make sure that it's up at best all of the time, at worst 99,5% of the time. It should spend far more money and personal on the tools then on fluffy stuff like Flow and other unwanted bling. It's one of the core duties of the WMF to have it up and running, like all the other servers. The keep-up-running of the servers is the main job of the WMF, they are the service agency of the communities to do this with its paid staff.
One question regarding this: How is the ratio of spent money to essential things like running this server and perhaps-nice-to-have-stuff like Flow and other bling? --Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden)superputsch must go 05:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sänger: Regarding the Why, the incident report for the Labs NFS Outage is available. Regarding spent money, the Wikimedia Foundation regularly publishes Financial reports. --Malyacko (talk) 14:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
The main job of the WMF is to keep the servers working for the community 99.99% of the time, and invest the main part of it's spending there. What's happening on the servers (content and such) is mainly the job of the community. The very core of the job is to prevent any downtime of any server, or at least any bad outcome of any downtime. If a very central server, the tool-labs server, was down for more than 1h, they did a very bad job. They obviously spend not enough time and money on the essential jobs to do for them, but wasted it on useless stuff like Flow etc. Until the very core of infrastructure maintenance is not fuly served, no money whatsoever should be wasted on bling like Flow, MV etc. --Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden)superputsch must go 14:59, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Who we are ?[edit]

Presenting myself, I'm curious but curiosity have to be canalised. So, i let this bottle in the websea, looking for the parot and his third eye.

Knowledge is a trap. Symbols is a trap. Some people build this babylon tower of knowledge ( fondation and all allegories than you can imagine)

We follow symbols. I do it. But I want to surrunder it. I'm looking for the community thinking by the same way. I'm looking for a team.

NB : I don't like so much screens, I prefer Light from the sun.



—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Plumoo (talk)


Innovation seems important, being one-third of the Call to Action, but did not have its own page, so I have boldly started one. It wasn't clear to me which department or team in WMF oversees innovation, but I invite them to build on that page as a foundation. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 21:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)


Some of the answers seem out of date or indeed have never been written. Is there a member of WMF staff responsible for maintaining this page? Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 11:01, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

No. See mailarchive:wiki-research-l for past discussions of the matter. --Nemo 11:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Then I propose to radically revise the page, mark it {{historical}} or just {{delete}}. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 11:09, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Be bold. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

General requests[edit]

Has the time come to close that page down and merge into this Forum? Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 11:07, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. --Glaisher (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

C-level staff[edit]

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The term C-level is being used increasingly for a certain subset of the WMF staff. Yet there is no formal definition or list of such staff that I can find either on Meta or the Foundation wiki. Could we please have an authoritative definition and list, or have the letter C affixed at wmf:Staff and contractors? Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 10:34, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

In theory they are the leftmost column of the table there and only that. Maybe it's about coordinates! --Nemo 10:58, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Do you actually know that, or is it a guess? Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 14:55, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I know. But then details on the "C-level retreats" and similar sectarian habits are by definition well-kept secrets. --Nemo 16:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
The term "C-level" refers to Chief [fill-in-the-blank] Officers, though they sometimes have different titles than that. They're the Executive Director and the people who report directly to her. As far as I can tell the current c-level positions are:
  • Executive Director
  • VP of Engineering
  • (VP of Search and Discovery?)
  • Chief Technology Officer
  • Senior Director of Community Engagement
  • Chief Advancement Officer
  • VP of Strategic Partnerships
  • General Counsel
  • Chief Communications Officer
  • Chief Operating Officer
  • (Is Chief of Finance and Administration still C-level?)
My, what a lot of positions! harej (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


The page on Transparency could do with some updating, especially as it is one of the Wikimedia Foundation Guiding Principles. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 11:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Done. --Nemo 12:13, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)