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Location of wikisource and wikimedia commons server.[edit]

Because of the United States non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term, it seems like currently content that are not PD in the US but PD elsewhere might be not suitable to be host on commons or wikisource, among other projects. Since the two projects are apparently affected by the rule most, it's probably a good idea to move them away from the US first? Or alternatively, a region with shorter length of copyright protection so that the rule would no longer matter. C933103 (talk) 23:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Am not sure that the rule of shorter term is so important to warrant moving any servers from USA. Ruslik (talk) 18:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
As an example, on English wikisource's homepage, the December featured content section, one of those featured text was actually hosted on a non-WMF wiki, explicitly due to the US copyright law. On Chinese wikisource, there are also instructions that recommend users to put content onto the non-WMF wiki instead of wikisource for content that are affected by the rule.C933103 (talk) 03:01, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
You should not forget that that there are a lot of content that can be hosted in USA but may not be hosted in other countries. Ruslik (talk) 19:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
What would be some examples of this type of content? And would it be technically possible to have server distributed in different countries and change document storage location according to needs? C933103 (talk) 23:25, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Recently, on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, someone noted a 80000-entries dictionary have become PD in China and rest of the Chinese speaking area, and suggestion have been made to integrate that into Wikiprojects. However that is not possible with the current US copyright law and that wikimedia server follow US law.C933103 (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

C933103 - you could also institute an EDP "fair use" of the lesser term at zh:wikisource. en:wikisource has resisted an EDP. both en:wikipedia and zh:wikipedia have it, but are image focused [1]. see also Non-free content. Slowking4 (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
But how does that work to consider the total content of entire book to be "fair use" in EDP?C933103 (talk) 05:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


New idea for new project. Please check Wikimuseum for more informations.--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 11:44, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

I would also like to invite those who are interested and have technical knowledge to help me in the prototype being created at: pt:Usuário:Felipe da Fonseca/museum.--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 21:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
What is (going to be) the difference between WikiArt and your proposal? Klaas `Z4␟` V:  20:18, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
IMO it might include objects other than works of art. I might be interested myself, though I am quite busy at the moment. On the other hand, we might ask the Commons community whether they would be willing to host the new pages for the time being; basically, they don't seem to be very different from c:Commons:Galleries. --pegasovagante () 12:48, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose, this is what the Commons is. It is a bunch of non-art media arranged in a gallery like a museum. Ups and Downs () 01:25, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
That depends on how much textual content is being envisioned. Commons galleries normally contain only the briefest of explanations (if any) and image captions; extended descriptions would be considered out of scope at present. OTOH this is not set in stone, Commons is already multilingual, and perhaps an additional namespace could be created for ‘exhibits’ with detailed explanations.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:45, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
@Felipe da Fonseca:↑ --pegasovagante () 22:24, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Pegasovagante is right, it's not just about art, but about any museum object, like fossils (but not just that, this Wikiart have, for example, no text.). Is not like Commons, the goal is not to create a file (which is the Commons), but to display the documents in an organized, beautiful and explanatory (text, links etc) way (what commons is not). But commons will be the file for the wikimuseum. Would it be a possibility to change the commons for this? Don't think so, Commons is ok like that, because is a file for many other wikis. I must add that the Wikimuseum will display photos from several angles of the same object in sequence, and perhaps in the future a 3d image. --Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 22:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


Good day!

I am abwiki administrator and want to change Russian version (Module:) "Модуль:" into Abkhazian "Амодуль:", like — Шаблон/Ашаблон. Please help me.--Surprizi (talk) 08:00, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Surprizi: Might be worth adding a request at Tech, and please do that with full wikilinks to the relevant templates and modules at each wiki. Without that clarity it is hard to understand exactly what it is that you want done. Most of us will not be familiar with the templates/modules to which you are referring.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:13, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Maybe the request is to change the way the namespace is translated into Abkhazian. Local community support would be necessary in the first place. Then a new task could be started on phabricator. --pegasovagante () 12:36, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

User group for Military Historians[edit]


"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when we speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talkmail) 11:26, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

RfC approval question[edit]

There's an RfC about 2FA with majority of support or strong support votes. It's hanging there since April and it seems that nothing is gonna change there. Is there any policy to approve or close such RfC? --Rezonansowy (talk) 01:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Main issue still pending here is whether the developers consider it feasible now. I'll look into it over the coming week. (Do keep in mind that people may be away some this week, so I make no promises as to just how quickly I can get an answer.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:21, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
@Rezonansowy: I have a query in elsewhere to the team that works on 2FA. I hope we'll get an answer shortly. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Thank you very much for handling this topic and staying with touch. Rezonansowy (talk) 03:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata request for comment on the ideal data import proccess[edit]

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Dear all

We are currently running a discussion on Wikidata about what the ideal data import process looks like. We want to get the thoughts of people who work on different Wikimedia projects who have different needs and knowledge of different kinds of data to make it our roadmap as inclusive as possible, please take a look.

Many thanks

John Cummings (talk) 01:30, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


Can you help? Pi zero thinks i'm a block evader while i clearly stated that i'm trying to improve wikibooks (; 14:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

See here. --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 15:51, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

How does my Nupedia recreation look like?[edit]


Instead of recreating Nupedia from the ground up, I used FANDOM ( to do so. Here’s the link to it:

Thanks! --Little Jackie (talk) 12:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Rename a maintenance category[edit]


I would like to rename the category Category:Deleteme to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion to have the same name of category in all english wikis (except Wikidata but I am doing). I want to get you opinion before doing this.

Cordially. --Niridya (talk) 18:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, this is not a English wiki. Meta is a multilingual wiki. Stryn (talk) 18:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I know that Meta is a multilingual wiki and not an english wiki. I mean that base name of pages are in english. --Niridya (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Manchu Wikipedia[edit]

If Manchu Wikipedia or Manchu Wikisource would ever be a thing, will it be written entirely in vertical script or will it be written incorrectly to match the style of Latin script (like the Classical Chinese Wikipedia)? --Donald Trung (Talk 🤳🏻) (My global lock 🔒) (My global unlock 🔓) 11:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

What's your point? We have an incubator Wikipedia project at incubator:Wp/mnc that for now is a mix of the two styles. There are two pages of a Wikiquote project at incubator:Wq/mnc that are both in vertical script. It's up to the community to get them fixed properly in order to get them ready for approval. But neither is even remotely close now. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Censorship of Farsi Wikipedia administrators. (Remove 2017–18 Iranian protests images without reason)[edit]

Hello. The Iran Islamic Republic's terrorists remove images of people on Wikipedia from 2017–18 Iranian protests, they get money from the government and have access to remove images. They do not want people to see the protests :( As a typical Iranian citizen, we do not have much familiarity with Wikipedia. Please report to the administrator. if you want see this.. They also reject our edits in the article in farsi wikipedia and they say iranian people do not have problems with terrorists and "islamic Republic of iran" See this Closed this user's access and many other of normal iranian people! Mohammadmosalman (talk) 22:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC) They do not want foreign people to see pictures :( Mohammadmosalman (talk) 22:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Huji: right of response  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:30, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I am deliberately staying out of this matter. The only things I have to say are: (a) Fa WP matters should be discussed there, not on Meta, and (b) if images are truly deleted from Commons against that wiki's policy, that should also be discussed on Commons, not Meta. Huji (talk) 20:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Wiki platform for crowd development of ideas[edit]

I was looking for Wiki pages where people can post ideas and other (or the same) people develop them further in order to render more detail and help realize them. Lot's of people have bright idea's that can bring humanity forward. They not always have a clue on how to realize their idea while others have (semi-)professional experience for this. It should go even further than a common forum where people just ask a question and the crowd answers it : someone posts a (general) idea and the community incrementally comments on detailing, improving and realizing this idea. It's more or less comparable with GitHub for the development of software. there should be votes for feasability, durability, sustainability, ...

For instance : - idea 1 (Elon Musk) : we should have a space friendly and low-energy long range public transportation system.

      - how technically realize this ?
             -> Sub.Idea a: dig tunnel, make it a vacuum tube, let train gliding on magnets travel in it. 
                         - realisiation of the vacuum with muliple entrances
                               -> SubSubIdea a : ... + drawings, sketches ...
           -> Sub.Idea b:  make a bridge, cover is with solar panels and wind mills has y votes
           -> Sub.Idea xyz : .... has x votes 

- Idea 2 : we should have a high capacity, compact, transportable energy source with powerrange 30-50kW

           - Sub Idea a : stapled Li-Ion batteries
           - Sub Idea b : mini H2-turbine

- Idea 3 : we should have software on our smartphones with which we take 5 pictures of the same room from different angles. Afterwards we can get all dimensions between objects. - link to GitHub...

Does such a Wiki platform exist ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kurt7272 (talk)

You can explore Wikiversity for ideas useful in education. Ruslik (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
The Reference Desk on Wikipedia essentially functions this way as long as your original post is framed in the form of a question. ;) Killiondude (talk) 07:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Hosting a UTRS site on personal server vs. toolforge[edit]

Hi, I am currently toying with the idea of developing a UTRS website for zh-wiki that does not yet have it. Right now I am developing it on my own server. But someone in the community said I should really do it on a WMF VPS, just like the en-wiki UTRS, because the nature of the project is such that it should be monitored and intervened by WMF should circumstances warrant.

Is there a policy or convention that such projects are required, expected or recommended to be hosted on toolforge for this reason? Is it a known practice that WMF will intervene a toolforge service when things go wrong with it?

Thank you. Bluedeck 15:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bluedeck: There are no requirements to do this, but it is a best practice to host important tools on a system where multiple people are able to help restart things if they go down. Similarly, please see File:FLOSS Best Practices for Bots and Tools poster.pdf for some good general advice. Lastly, because your project will likely contain sensitive information, I'll specifically point towards wikitech:Wikitech:Labs Terms of use, which you probably would've seen anyway, but just in case. Hope that helps. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Does WMF do anything other than just rebooting on failure, though? Bluedeck 01:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Please note that Toolforge and Cloud VPS are very different things. There seems to be a small amount of confusion over the terms in the original question. Toolforge is a managed hosting environment tailored for the common needs of running bots (long running processes which interact with the wikis), cron jobs (typically used for recurring analytics analysis), and web services (e.g. web based tools for reporting data or interacting with the wikis). Cloud VPS is a virtual machine hosting platform powered by OpenStack which is used by 212 Wikimedia related projects to provide computing resources. Toolforge is one of these 212 projects; Beta Cluster is another; the enwiki UTRS system is yet another.
The Wikimedia Cloud Services team does not offer managed hosting (OS upgrades, system administration) as part of the Cloud VPS. Using Cloud VPS does however make it fairly easy to create a community of maintainers with shared administrative rights to manage the virtual machines for a project. It also makes things like project usurpation possible in the unlikely, but possible, event that the original project maintainers lose interest before their client community does. Additionally it provides its services for free (gratis) to Wikimedia projects. --BDavis (WMF) (talk) 17:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I would recommend reaching out to the UTRS developers and see what they would recommend, and how to share resources/code/etc. Legoktm (talk) 20:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
That is a wonderful idea. I was planning to do this from ground up so that I can add additional features and even support multiple wikis with just this one site. But their thoughts must be valuable either way. Bluedeck 01:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


WikiMiniAtlas. Why the map is not showing nearby articles? Xaris333 (talk) 08:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Announcement: results of Bridges Across Cultures[edit]

We are pleased to announce the results of our multilingual wiki-collaboration contest, Bridges across Cultures, which has taken place among languages from both Latin America and the Middle East & North Africa in October/November 2017.

ِThe contest was organized by multiple Wikimedia affiliates, including Argentina, Brazil and Chile (Latin America) and Iran, Levant, and Turkey (MENA), with the aim of exchanging cultural experiences and values between the two regions; as the contestants from either Latin America or MENA were asked to write and expand Wikipedia articles related to the rich and unique culture of the other region. In total, 832 articles were created or improved as part of this contest: 427 articles about Latin American culture were expanded in Arabic, Persian and Turkish Wikipedia, while 415 articles about MENA culture were done in Spanish and Portuguese Wikipedia. 64 different participants submitted at least one article to the contest.

As for the results, six prizes are designated for the best performing contestants (with three being dedicated for the best participants from either Latin America or MENA). The prizes will be awarded for the following users who achieved the highest points:

Latin America

  1. Rosarinagazo, Spanish Wikipedia (143 articles, 1210 points).
  2. Tuga1143, Portuguese Wikipedia (117 articles, 1150 points).
  3. MarisaLR, Spanish Wikipedia, (97 articles, 850 points).

Middle East & North Africa

  1. محک, Persian Wikipedia (97 pages, 890 points).
  2. Abdou7878, Arabic Wikipedia (80 pages, 810 points).
  3. Mohammed alzaidy, Arabic Wikipedia (88 pages, 760 points).

Hopefully, we intend to continue and further extend this successful experience in 2018 and in the following years. If you are interested in including your language project in future versions, please get in touch with the contest’s organizers.

--Abbad (talk) 09:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC).

Reminder about Wikimania scholarships: deadline January 22[edit]

Registration for a Wikimania scholarship closes on January 22.
If you are thinking of applying, here are some tips from the committee that oversees the applications:
To register, navigate to this page:
Good luck, everyone! María (WMF) (talk) 17:47, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Legal question about the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act[edit]

How is Wikimedia complying with COPPA? Because anyone can create an account, even if they are under the age of 13. Should the WMF amend the terms of use to state that a parent must have given permission to the child and the WMF must receive confirmation that they have parental permission? I mean, Wikipedia has a child protection page, but how is that valid under COPPA? Should underage accounts be grounds for global locking? Ups and Downs () 22:52, 18 January 2018 (UTC)