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2021 Ombuds Commission nomination process now open![edit]

Hi everyone! It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Ombudsman commission (OC). This commission works on all Wikimedia projects to investigate complaints about violations of the privacy policy, especially in use of CheckUser and Oversight tools, and to mediate between the complaining party and the individual whose work is being investigated. They may also assist the General Counsel, the Executive Director or the Board of Trustees in investigations of these issues. For more on their duties and roles, see Ombuds commission.

This is a call for community members interested in volunteering for appointment to this commission. Volunteers serving in this role should be experienced Wikimedians, active on any project, who have previously used the CheckUser/Oversight tools OR who have the technical ability to understand these tools and the willingness to learn them. They are expected to be able to engage neutrally in investigating these concerns and to know when to recuse when other roles and relationships may cause conflict.

Commissioners are required to identify to the Wikimedia Foundation and must be willing to comply with the appropriate Wikimedia Foundation board policies (such as the access to non-public data policy and the privacy policy). This is a position that requires a high degree of discretion and trust.

If you are interested in serving on this commission, please write me an email at kbrown(at)wikimedia(dot)org to detail your experience on the projects, your thoughts on the commission and what you hope to bring to the role. The commission consists of ten members; all applications are appreciated and will be carefully considered. The deadline for applications is end of day on 31 December, 2020.

Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you think may be qualified and interested. Thank you! Kbrown (WMF) (talk) 14:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Children lacking home internet access worldwide[edit]

I read UNICEF report saying that most African children aged 3–17 lack internet access at home. Not just them, most others in South Asia and Middle East and many others elsewhere lack such access. Furthermore, phone network access is too pricey for those children. There are so many questions, but I don't know which ones to ask first. If the reports are true, then those children will likely be unaware of Wikimedia projects, especially Wikipedia. Are those children worth approaching? Why or why not? George Ho (talk) 06:12, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@George Ho: Short answer: yes. Many of them still have spotty access to mobile services. Don't underestimate the exponential rise of mobile availability in Africa and Asia. They are all coming online at a staggering pace, and Wikipedia Zero is speeding up their access to Wikipedia. Voltairacus (talk) 08:17, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
@Voltairacus: Wikipedia Zero has been discontinued for at least two years. I wouldn't raise my hopes up about mobile experience. I wouldn't treat mobile UI experience with the projects the same way I do with desktop/laptop. Mobile editing is still less effective for more complicated editing, honestly. I'm unsure whether those children will enjoy editing pages on mobile.

Well, mobile users are increasing in India. Phones are somewhat still too pricey, so I don't know how most of their parents could afford them at their incomes. Not to mention phone bills. I guess they must have bought cheapest phones available. However, recently, the pandemic has led to declining smartphone sales in Africa. Furthermore, certain Africans are unfortunate in buying malware-infected cell phones, like Tecno phones made in China. Oh boy, there have been phone smuggling and increasing taxes on imports in Pakistan. George Ho (talk) 09:06, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Over 40 % of families in Southern Italy don't have a computer at home and broadband access is declining; most kids therefore don't have any chance at all to participate in online educational activities. Wikimedia Italia has long tried to make inroads in Central and Southern Italy but it's extremely difficult. Nemo 10:11, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
@Nemo bis: The page isn't working in my area. Is it working there? George Ho (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Fixed now, I think. If you don't have JavaScript enabled you might need to scroll a couple pages until you reach the text (there's also a PDF). Nemo 17:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Also: «By the end of 2021, installed PCs and tablets will reach 1.77 billion, up from 1.64 billion in 2019, according to research company Canalys» (Reuters). No idea how precise. Nemo 14:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, Wikipedia![edit]

Happy Birthday Wikipedia!Poxy4 (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Ruslik (talk) 20:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposals for new project: WikiPoetry[edit]

Hey everyone, I apologize if this is the wrong place to put this: I am kind of new to this. I just proposed the creation of WikiPoetry which is a project that, in essence, allows for the publishing of poetry from around the world. Similar to Wikimedia Commons, it has a creative side, with anyone being able to publish poetry that they create (just like anyone can upload fair-use images to Commons), but it also has a more reference side, with well-known poetry also being shown on the site. If a poem is published elsewhere, it should only be edited if there are errors, obviously, but I also think that WikiPoetry would allow for collaborative poetry where anyone can make creative edits to each-others poems. I think it would be an awesome addition to the Wikimedia projects, and I'm curious about what you all think: feedback, suggestions, criticism, etc. If you like the idea, please join as an interested participant and please make improvements to the proposal. Thanks! Ajshul (talk) 16:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Probleme in der Georgische Wikipedia[edit]

ich bin Georgierin, lebe mehr als 20J ahre in Deutschland und deshalb schreibe ich auf Deutsch. Ich arbeite seit 2005, kurz nach ihrer Gründung, in der georgischen Wikipedia und war auch Administrator. Schwierige Bedingungen gibt es in der georgischen Wikipedia schon lange. Die georgische Wikipedia befindet sich seit 2015 in den Händen von nur drei Administratoren, die mittlesweile selbstherrlich handeln. (Der Rest der Administratoren wurde in kurzer Zeit entfernt. Es gab eine Zeit, in der wir 10 Administratoren waren), was auf eine speziell verabschiedete neue Regel zurückzuführen ist: Wenn der Administrator nicht innerhalb von 3 Monaten mindestens 500 allgemeine und 50 administrative Änderungen vorgenommen hat, wird dem Benutzer der Administratorstatus ohne Abstimmung entzogen. s.ka:ვიკიპედია:ადმინისტრატორები/ადმინისტრატორის სტატუსის მოხსნა.

Diese Regel gilt jedoch seitdem nicht mehr für drei verbliebenen Administratoren, z.B. Administrator David1010. Der zweite Administrator MIKHEIL hat dessen Administrator Status, der unter diese Regel gestellt werden sollte, nicht aufgehoben, sondern die Antwort geschrieben: „Hallo. Ich kann bestätigen, dass David1010 in letzter Zeit ernsthafte Gesundheitsprobleme hatte. Folglich ist in diesem Zeitpunkt eine Diskussion darüber für ihn darüber nicht wichtig. Daher halte ich derzeit alle Maßnahmen in diese Richtung für unmoralisch und werde diese Diskussion ebenfalls abschließen. Ich wünsche David1010 gute Gesundheit!” s. ვიკიპედია:ადმინისტრატორები/სტატუსის მოხსნა. Dieser Administrator hat auch derzeit eine nicht ausreichende Zahl von Bearbeitungen, es macht jedoch keinen Sinn, einen Vorschlag zum Aufheben des Administrator Status vorzulegen, da diese dieselbe Antwort schreiben werden. Noch mehr, gemäß der geltenden Regel hat auch der Administrator MIKHEIL keine ausreichende Zahl von Beiträgen. s.ვიკიპედია ( • 2020-11-23 — 2020-12-24. Was sollte das sein? Ich bin sicher, dass dies in einer demokratischen Gesellschaft nicht passiert wäre.

Der Administrator MIKHEIL kandidierte ohne Erfolg 2016 auch für den Steward s. Stewards/Elections 2016/Votes/MIKHEIL. Sehen: Stewards/Elections 2016/Questions.

Vor kurzem hat Benutzer :Jaba1977 meine dauerhafte Sperrung beantragt (siehe Administrator:MIKHEIL Diskussion:ka:მომხმარებლის განხილვა:MIKHEIL#ისევ ცანგალას ცრუ ბრალდებების შესახებ), letztendlich wurde ich für einen Monat blockiert (Vielen Dank an Administrator Otogi, weil er eine dauerhafte Blockierung verhindert hat), weil ich dem Benutzer die Wahrheit gesagt habe.

In der georgischen Wikipedia kommt es vor, dass jemand, der die Wahrheit sagt bestraft wird, zum Beispiel der ehemalige Administrator Benutzer:Rastrelli F wurde für einen Monat gesperrt und der ehemalige Administrator Benutzer:Deu hat ab dem 20. Januar 2019 einen permanenten Block von Administrator:MIKHEIL, weil beide ihm die Wahrheit gesagt haben.

Aktive Benutzer werden gelegentlich, wenn sie ihre Meinung äußern, von den Administratoren bedroht oder gleich blockiert Benutzer:Gobrona (wurde für drei Monat gesperrt). Das ist möglich, weil unsere Reglungen für Benutzersperrung seit 2015 nicht geändert würden, und damit Blockierungen ohne Aussprache möglich sind.

Zwei von drei Administratoren (David1010, MIKHEIL) sind Bürokraten, wir haben kein Schiedsverfahren. An wen kann man sich in georgischen Wikipedia wenden? Der Kreis ist geschlossen.

Sie, die Stewards, sind letzte Hoffnung der georgischen Wikipedia. Helfen sie uns bitte.

Eine schöne Weihnachten und guten Rutsch im Neue Jahr.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen --Zangala (talk) 20:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Project Proposal: WikiEssays[edit]

Hey everyone! I'm proposing a mix between a Wiki and a blogging platform. Unlike the encyclopedic approach of Wikipedia, this would be goaled towards explaining certain concepts/standpoints through a collection of interlinked evolving essays. I'd be extremely grateful for feedback on the idea! Milanandreew (talk) 15:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey! I really see the merits of your project; I think it would be a great way to take advantage of Wiki technology. I recently proposed Wikidiscussion which I think could be somewhat combined with yours to create a wiki for debating various topics through essays and discussions. I'd love to collaborate with you on this if you would like. I also recently proposed WikiPoetry which I think would be a great wiki project. I would love to hear your feedback on that as well. Ajshul (talk) 15:48, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposals for new project: Wikimanual[edit]

Hey everyone! I just created a new proposal called Wikimanual which is a way for people to share instructions/manuals for various products. This is obviously in the very early stages of the ideation phase, so I ask you all for feedback and help! Thanks! Ajshul (talk) 16:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Why cannot Wikibooks accommodate manuals? Ruslik (talk) 05:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
The idea surrounds the collection of instruction manuals for products (anything from a specific model of a lawnmower to a new keyboard piano). Wikibooks doesn't really include these. The purpose of this project is to allow anyone to find instruction manuals for products, a very different purpose than Wikibooks or any other Wiki project. Ajshul (talk) 17:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Can archiving be undone?[edit]

I made a RFC and archived it, using {{Archive top}} and {{Archive bottom}}.
Is it possible to undo it afterwards? I.e., if something occurs and I want to update the RFC, can the archive be undone? Thank you and regards, Dgw (talk) 22:46, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Something that is closed must stay closed unless the closure was in error. Ruslik (talk) 05:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Pedindo uma "gentileza" de ano novo[edit]

@Conde Edmond Dantès, Érico, DarwIn, Renato de carvalho ferreira, Stegop, Fronteira, Ixocactus, WikiFer, JMagalhães, Fabiojrsouza, EternamenteAprendiz, and ChristianH: Em primeiro lugar quero desejar um feliz ano novo a todos e explicar por que estou postando aqui. A minha DB/3 foi aplicada com bloqueio com severas restrições, inclusive de enviar e-mails e editar a página de discussão (o que inclusive não foi deliberado, embora não seja esse o tema que quero focar aqui). O fato é que o bloqueio indefinido não é perpétuo, portanto, eu tenho o direito de pedir revisões (e tenho diversas razões para isso). Bom, então o meio óbvio é a lista de desbloqueio. No entanto, mandei e reenviei umas 3 ou quatro vezes um email para essa lista mas fui ignorado, ou seja, não foi criada a DB pretendida.

Apenas para esclarecer, a proposta que fiz não era nada pretensiosa, apenas queria autorização para corrigir erros de português e afins.

Ocorre que a situação atual (impedido de editar em todo o site, de editar a própria página de discussão e enviar e-mails), além de desproporcional à "infração cometida" (ou seja, nenhuma), me impede inclusive de solicitar qualquer tipo de revisão, o que fere os pilares básicos dos projetos, que deveriam ser acessíveis a "qualquer um". Igualmente perniciosa para o projeto, porque está perdendo edições e artigos úteis por causa de uma teoria maluca de conspiração, mas isso é outra história, que tem que ser esclarecida quando eu tiver o direito de me defender, que foi negado durante a DB.

Mas enfim, o que venho pedir aqui é simplesmente que liberem a página de discussão para que eu possa, através dela, solicitar DBs de revisão das sanções aplicadas, sob o compromisso de usá-la somente para este fim. Estou fazendo este pedido por aqui porque é o único espaço que restou.

Não vejo como esse uso da PDU possa ser uma ameaça a quem quer que seja ou que consequência maléfica isso pode causar, uma vez que ela será usada para um fim específico, constará em "restrições à edição", ou seja, longe de ser um "semiaberto", eu peço apenas um "banho de sol".

Venho então rogar que seja feita essa "gentileza", esse gesto de boa vontade, a título de renovação do ano que está prestes a surgir. Seja qual for a decisão de vocês, desejo muita felicidade a todos. Um grande abraço! Millennium bug (talk) 15:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@!Silent, 79a, Albertoleoncio, Allice Hunter, Biologo32, Barão de Itararé, Chronus, Cléééston, Cósmico, and DARIO SEVERI:. Millennium bug (talk) 20:28, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
@Millennium bug: Liberado o uso da PDU conforme solicitado. !Silent (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Muito grato e reiterando os votos de feliz ano novo! Millennium bug (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

New Project Proposal (WikiMentor)[edit]

I think people will like this project proposal. It's called WikiMentor, and is a place for people to mentor, or to be mentored. Enjoy, and put your name down if you're interested! WikiMentor Link Proposal BlackWidowMovie0 (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Due to differences between project types and between languages, this would be best done "within each project," at least on larger projects. There may be a place for a "multilingual" or "multiproject within one language or set of related language" mentorship system, but it could be hosted here on Meta rather than be its own project. Davidwr/talk 00:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@Davidwr: I would Support Support that. BlackWidowMovie0 (talk) 11:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


Is there someone that could gently help me for the typing the words of the Wikipedia-logo-v2-mnc-mong.svg? Thanks in advance!!! --2001:B07:6442:8903:114C:5B64:1525:4643 11:46, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I believe it says WIKIPEDIA, THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA. - BlackWidowMovie0 (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Appointment & Removal policy for AFH[edit]

There is an ongoing proposal to add appointment and removal policy for the abuse filter helpers global group, see Talk:Abuse filter helpers#Appointment & Removal. Thanks! -- CptViraj (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

New Project Proposal - Wikipragmatica[edit]

Hello everyone. Noob here. I've submitted a new project proposal that re-indexes Wikipedia, but also does a whole bunch of other nifty stuff. I look forward to our discussion. I've included the description below.


This proposal presents a paraphrase graph database extension to Wikidata. The intent is to create a directed graph of paraphrase nodes and retained context edges initially of Wikipedia content, but ultimately Internet wide. Initially focusing on unstructured data (text), the vision is to be media agnostic harvesting sentence equivalent information. This foundational construct is intended to support a wide range of uses from indexing to misinformation detection to knowledge representation to enterprise work management.

History of the single-username policy[edit]

Perhaps some regulars retain memory of the events in 2008–2013.

I am aware that a global account always prevented unrelated homonymous registration anywhere in Wikimedia. But SULs were a minority, probably, as late as in early 2013. And certainly no policy has been in existence against new clashing local accs for years – for example, this registration in December 21, 2012 went through despite existence of the homonymous acc in enWP. But since some moment creation of new conflating accounts, likely, ceased to be possible.

  1. Until when registration of homonymous local accounts has been possible?
  2. When new accounts (provided no name conflict) began to be attached to SULs automatically?
  3. How and when old users (who were reluctant to use Special:MergeAccount and had no name conflicts) were forced to SUL?
    P.S. “3.” perhaps is mostly answered in phab:T41817 and phab:T72392.

And a related question: who is the owner of the first global account?

As a side note, I am also aware of (highly publicized) tilde-making events of March–July 2015 and one has not to remind me about that. Any substantiated suggestion will be welcome. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 09:36, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Much of this is covered in the migration to SUL, there was a migration document produced and it should still be around somewhere. There should also be much information in phabricator. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
You may say I was stupid neglecting to check mw:SUL finalisation before posting, but it is mostly focused on old accounts (my question “3.”) and is cryptic, anyway. Of course I could start an own investigation on phab:project/view/39/ first, including butting into several years-old “tasks” and spreading my questions there, mixing it with staunchly technical minutes about patches reverted due to a bug. Just hoped that here somebody helps to collect essential answers in a convenient place. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 13:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Translating Wikipedia 20 at Wikimedia Foundation's website[edit]

Hey! I wanna translate this to Finnish. Is it possible? Jnovikov (talk) 10:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jnovikov Thanks for offering that. Yes, you can! Send an email to Wikipedia20(_AT_)Wikimedia(_DOT_)org and we will share the materials for your use. Per the Wikimedia Foundation website CC license, you can also copy and modify the site content for new use. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 20:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Great! I sent email. Jnovikov (talk) 20:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

It's time for Timeless ?[edit]


I come to you in order to open a debate on the skin. Is the Vector skin still suitable for our time and uses ? Wouldn’t Timeless skin do a better job than Vector skin ? In order to keep a graphical consistency between all Wiki projects and all languages, I think it would be more interesting to start this discussion directly at the meta project. Excuse me for my English. Menthe 555 (talk) 14:54, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Menthe 555: Hi. You might be interested in the ongoing mw:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements project. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Huge video at Wikipedia 20 page[edit]

The video at is huge, more than 300 MB for a two minute video. Is that a mistake? Vpab15 (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Vpab15! You can find the video here on Commons. It should be smaller in size, if you would like to download it. Hope that helps. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 20:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes you're right Vpab15, it's about 340 MB. Must be a mistake, and it should be corrected swiftly because for some people it can be very expensive. Nemo 20:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that. We're looking at the reason behind the video size on the website right now. Thank you for flagging this!--Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The video is still unplayable for me. It takes ages to load. Not everybody has an ultrafast internet connection. Vpab15 (talk) 12:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)