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I discovered nn:Mal:Link AA and no:Mal:Link AA. What should be done with these? -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

nominated the first, and leave the second.

Am blocked at Urdu Wikipedia, please unblock me[edit]

Hello Billinghurst, Today I tried to add articles in Urdu wikipedia but they blocked me without explaining any reason. There is a user known as USMANKHAN who repeatedly reverted my edits and then another user Obaid Raza blocked me from editing articles. He also deleted my added articles without any discussion or any pre-warnings. Kindly help me get unblocked and to be able to add articles. Here you can see that he has blocked me without explaining anything. --Khangul (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Mr billinghurst it has been the second time that I am being blocked by the admins of urdu wikipedia without any explaination. I am trying to translate articles and publish the articles in Urdu wikipedia but they dont let me do that. Kindly help me with this issue.--Khangul (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
@Khangul: I have left a message on your urWP user talk page asking for the blocking administrator to address this issue.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:35, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi billinghurst, thanks for asking the actual reason behind blocking. In fact user:Khangul does not know Urdu language, but he tried to write articles in urdu using pushto alphabets and wordings. some admins noticed this vandalism and asked the user to stop creating articles, but the subjected user did not notice this message. Eventually I blocked him explaining reasons in urdu language, and that's why user:usmankhan reverted his edits and user:Obaid Raza blocked him for 2 hours before me. Hope you understand our problems and issues, thanks. Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 11:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
@Khangul, محمد شعیب: I just want to see an end to the squabbling, and would like to see a plan to how to cooperatively edit. I know that having to talk to users takes time, and can sometimes can be painful and infuriating, but that is truly one of the responsibilities of an admin. I also see nothing on the user's talk page about stopping, and would hope that urWP community could look to ensure that you do communicate on user talk pages AND that they do not block user talk page access unless totally necessary. Blocks are the lazy and dismissive way to handle things, and should be used as a last resort, where people can be editing in good faith.

I looking forward to seeing who can be more mature in their approach.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Billinghurst, محمد شعیب: Mr. Muhammad Shuaib the information you have posted here about me is totally wrong. I can speak, read and write Urdu. Most of the Afghanis can speak and read and write Urdu langauge since they have lived many years in Pakistan as refugees. Vandalism is not defined as adding articles in wikis. It is a process of spreading misinformation or deleting content of articles. I to add to the information regarding Afghan writers, but every article I have added was deleted for unknown reason. They also blocked the access to my talk page or their talk page so that I could discuss and refer to the problem locally. I had to come here to meta and write here to billinghurst. Mr. Shuaib you claim that i didnt notice the message, kindly put a link of the message that you have posted to me before imposing a ban on me. If you dont show the proof then it means that its just a lie. Mr Usman khan reverted every message and its content because he is doing rivalry without any reason. He has already come up with false claims about me to billinghurst and other stewards and they removed mine and other admins rights from Pashto wiki. Even in Pashto wiki whenever I write something he show up for no reason and try to oppose any suggestion i give him.--Khangul (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I am still blocked in urWiki. Please unblock me--Khangul (talk) 18:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
@Khangul: Local administrators act on urWP, it is not for me to individually override their actions. Your place for conversation is w:ur:User talk:Khangul. As I understand it, you were blocked for three days, and by my calculation that block will now have expired, and you should be able to edit.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:47, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I do not understand the two standards here among the Stewards. When it was Pashto Wikipedia local issue, you were actively involved. And I think it was you who made the decision to remove all the admins from their rights but when its again the same blocking case in some other wiki, you have written me that Local administrators act on urWP, it is not for me to individually override their actions. I dont understand this. Please elaborate. --Khangul (talk) 19:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

emoji filter[edit]

It looks like the emoji filter is pretty much 100% vandalism at this point. Do you think it would make sense to switch it to actually prevent the edits (instead of just warning and logging)? Kaldari (talk) 18:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

It isn't 100% vandalism, there has been appropriate use on some wikis, especially Wikidata. Communities have been doing a great job following up. Now if we could identify the addition of emojis from mobile apps, that might be a great fork to follow for blocking, though again WD would be an interest to monitor first.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for staying on top of it. BTW, it looks like the phone symbol ☎ (U+260E) is commonly used on English Wikivoyage (see the 'Do' template for example), so we may need to make that character an exception as well. Kaldari (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
The light dawns, I see that the emoji declaration is a regex, I have made that exclusion emoji := "[🌀-🙏🚀-🛳☀-☄☇-♬♰-✒✙-➿☎]". Thanks to the pointers Kaldari.  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

AbuseFilter change[edit]

Hey Billinghurst, as an AbuseFilter power-user I was wondering if you have any thoughts or concerns about a patch I wrote to fix the long-standing AntiSpoof/AbuseFilter bug T29987. I know most of the AbuseFilter users are used to this bug and it will take some adjustment if the fix is merged. Do you think it would be super disruptive or do you think users would be able to adjust to it without too much difficulty? Kaldari (talk) 17:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

I would hardly call myself a power user, just a persistent copier with global access and tenacity to lessen the crap and the abuse of system. I will presume that you have seen my comment on the bug, and I think that if we are correcting errors and making things easier to write quality filters that we can all put up with fixing workarounds. Thanks for your efforts and the pointer.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #161[edit]

Userpage renaming[edit]

Hello Billinghurst, my name is Sarvaturi, my Global account is Sarvaturi, and my Home wiki is (Sicilian Wiktionary). I wrote a message here because a maintenance bot changed my Meta userpage from Sarvaturi to Sarvaturi~metawiki but I don't like this. Please I would like to have the userpage Sarvaturi~metawiki (with my corresponding contributions) renamed into Sarvaturi (or moved to my Sarvaturi userpage). Best regards and I hope you have a good day. --Sarvaturi (talk) 06:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Sarvaturi: Please place a merge request at SRUC and sign that with both of the involved accounts. When we have the tool available we will get the merge done.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:53, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, you already have the request. :-) We will get to it.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:55, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I thank you for your answer. Yes I have done a renaming request (merge request) too in the page SRUC you have shown me. Good day. :) --Sarvaturi (talk) 07:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

An apology from Willy on Wheels to WMF stewards[edit]

I would like to apologise to the stewards and wikipedia admins for my page-moves that was seen 2005-2008. I can tell you though, there were a lot of impostors, particularly some user called Sunholm, who is not me, but a wannabe (and a role account per their own confession on!).

Either way, I want to edit constructively on WMF projects. I've been doing so on non-WMF projects as it is; in any case, a mirror of Wikipedia with copies of articles like en:w:Mexican Canadian etc.

Willy on Wheels

--WoW1b (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

not up to me, as an individual, but to the community. You have no global ban so I don't see that you are necessarily restricted.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:23, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, if Meta would like to open a Request for comment on me, Willy on Wheels (who has been blocked numerous times, but not every on wheels account was mine), then please, feel free, open this to the wider community. It makes no sense for me to open an RfC on myself, does it?
I would do page moves here, but only requested moves, and certainly not moving pages "on wheels" again.
--WoW1b (talk) 22:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
To expect anyone to lift a finger for you seems an interesting concept. I am sure others will see this conversation and work out if they want to do anything, I cannot say that it is where I am wishing to put my efforts at this time. Best of luck. You may consider whether you wish to email emWP's ArbCom and prostrate yourself before them with a humble apology.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Request for help[edit]


I am requesting your view and guidance at at :mediawiki:Thread:Project:Support_desk/Whether_edit_filters_do_count_preview_actions.

What I am trying to find out In brief:
Edit action hits which are only flagged or tagged by a filter (but without warn or disallow) are usually (technically) are supposed to get saved. But prima facia we are coming across instances where in few such edits are not getting saved.
Why I am trying to find out :
If the 'edit filter extension' counts, 'user edit actions preceding of pressing save buttons (actions like preview action), then there remains a chance of Edit filters based on number of user edit actions or filters with rate limit may malfunction ocasionally.(nl wikipedia and mr wikipedia have reported some bugs as some edit filters may not be functioning as expected in this respect)
At en wikipedia:
I have listed few such likely instance at Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives/Reports#Study_of_hits_and_false_positives. I need your support in administrative preview of listed instances to confirm that if any blacklisting or any other action might have stopped those edit actions from getting saved. If not then those can be usefull for further technical/bug study

If I can get your support then I can dig further to list more such instances at en wikipedia, and bring doubtfull hits to technical discussion and report at respective bugs wherever necessary. Secondly, I would likely to know, If you are aware of any discussion has already taken place at en wikipedia about above mentioned aspects.

Thanks and Regards

Mahitgar (He who knows ,wants to know and and loves to keep others informed) (talk) 03:18, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

None of this is known to me "off the top of my head" and would involve me having to research, for which I don't currently have the availability. You maybe able to get answers from Glaisher or Hoo man who are more aware of the code.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Note on actions I took in WP space on Ladino Wikipedia[edit]

Hi, @Billinghurst:

None of the administrators there seems active right now, so I thought I'd contact you and mention a couple of things that I did, so you can make sure I did them correctly. (I'm contacting you because you appeared active there recently on some administrative actions.)

  1. At lad:Vikipedya:Administradores, the page hadn't been edited in nearly two years. The current list of administrators I got from SpecialPages was down to 3 (4, actually, but two seem to belong to the same account). So I moved all others to the section of former Administrators. I also renamed one administrator on the page, because he has long used the new name, and the old name is now just a redirect.
  2. I archived two very ancient candidacies for Administrator from lad:Vikipedya:Kandidaturas a Administrador to lad:Vikipedya:Kandidaturas antiguas a administrador. Since there was no closure recorded, I said so on the archive page. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Hmm activity of admins shows at and it does show quiescence, though not enough to trigger stewards taking action. There is no wrong action to take in that regard if nobody else has done it and it needs doing, so wouldn't fuss it particularly.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. (Wasn't happy to write the explanatory notes in English, but I don't speak Ladino [I read it a little] and had no other choice.) StevenJ81 (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #162[edit]

Wikidata weekly summary #163[edit]

Shortcuts (regarding edit summaries)[edit]

Hi Billinghurst (and perhaps others). I'm not sure what the special diff of the single edit displayed in full view is? Tropicalkitty (talk) 00:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Have you tried "Special:Diff/xxxxx"? (mw:Extension:Diff and mw:Help:Diff) Otherwise if you are just after the text change you would be looking for the long url with Special:Permanentlink and look to append it with diffonly=yes (see mw:Manual:Parameters to index.php)  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:50, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Steward attention needed[edit]

INeverCry 04:28, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

the "Tatarnikòv Alexander" vandalism[edit]

hi dear administrator, I found the page cdo:Tatarnikòv Alexander is created in‎ cdo wiki again. can you delete it?-- 14:02, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done thanks for the note.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #164[edit]

ladwiki redux[edit]

Dear Billinghurst:

As I mentioned above, I am trying to contribute to the Ladino (Djudeo-Espanyol) Wikipedia. As you saw when I was here before, it's a pretty quiet wiki. Over the course of the last month or so, I have tried to reach two out of the three administrators there. I have had no responses whatsoever. I have also tried to get some attention in the local lad:Vikipedya:Kafe. Unfortunately, that page is broken up into several subpages, and none of them really seem active. So I don't really even know where to go to try to get consensus, whatever that may mean in a small wiki like that.

Accordingly, I wanted to get your feedback about doing a few things. A couple of them actually require administrator rights. Other changes I am thinking of can be accomplished without that, but normally I would want to gain consensus first.

Requiring administrator rights[edit]

There are several different ways to spell Ladino, and each at least has a template that appears on the home page. Simply put, I would like to add the date on the Hebrew calendar to the secular date on these templates. I consider that to be appropriate, in that (a) Ladino is a Jewish language, and (b) both Hebrew Wikipedia and Yiddish Wikipedia refer to the Hebrew calendar date and the secular date on their home pages. I copy-pasted two of the five templates at lad:Usador:StevenJ81/sandbox so you can see my intention.

  • I do intend to change the hyperlinks, because I just don't expect "day" articles, or even "month" articles, to be written very soon there (concerning either calendar). I thought I would simply link to "Gregorian calendar" and "Hebrew calendar" respectively.
  • The question of how I would spell the months in each place is addressed below.

These require administrator rights because as main-page templates, they are protected. If you went and unprotected (or semi-protected) them for a day, I could take care of this. I would inform you as soon as I finish.

Not requiring administrator rights, just consensus[edit]

Separately, I hoped to import a Gregorian-Hebrew calendar template I have been working on elsewhere. (See en:Template:Today/CE/AM and its interwiki links. I didn't create it myself, but I have ported it from enwiki to simplewiki, hewiki, yiwiki, lawiki and frwiki.) One problem was that as I found things a few days ago, the transliterations for the Hebrew months had not been localized for ladwiki. I boldly made a couple of obvious changes (at translatewiki), and the transliterations there now are reasonable. See my sandbox for where things are now.

The truth is that I am not sure myself where to find absolutely definitive spellings for these (or Gregorian months) according to all four Latin-alphabet spelling schemes; in any event, though, I doubt they would vary all that greatly. I got the idea, though, to look at the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia to see how they handled a dual-alphabet situation. I saw there that they simply put them both together, side by side with a slash in between. So I'd like to do that at the Ladino Wikipedia. I'd be very surprised if it breaks anything, and it would provide both a Latin alphabet version (more common these days) and a Hebrew alphabet version (more definitive, actually). I know how to do that at translatewiki, but just wanted to make sure you didn't think that was rash.

Sidebar: I have to go back to Serbo-Croatian and change the Hebrew months to dual-alphabet, consistent with the secular months and days of the week. I can use what is there—Latin alphabet—and what is on the Serbian Wikipedia—Cyrillic alphabet—as definitive guides. I'm willing to be bold about that.

Two other things, possibly requiring phabricator tickets?[edit]

There are two other things I'd ask your advice on, but wonder if they actually need to go to the coders:

  1. If you set your language preference on any site to he or yi, then go to the place where you can choose a default time-and-date style, you are actually given a choice of the Hebrew calendar date as one of the options. If you set your language preference to lad, not only do you not get that, but you get none of the other, standard choices? Why?
  2. There are pages in ladwiki in the Latin alphabet, and pages in the Hebrew alphabet. But if you look at the pages in the Hebrew alphabet (like lad:אלזס), you'll see that most of them nevertheless left-align, rather than right-align. Is there a way for pages in the Hebrew alphabet to right-align automatically? (I could do subst:-able templates to do what someone did on lad:אסטרונומייה, but better if the server can do it automatically.)

In any event, thank you for hearing me out. I'd appreciate any feedback you have. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I know zero about the specifics about ladWP and the language lad, so I feel really uncomfortable having an opinion about specific matters. @MF-Warburg: who is more language astute and better in these areas.

If there are matters that require immediate admin changes, then the place to request those is Steward requests/Miscellaneous and the GS/Stewards will handle it there. For discussion of admin rights, if there is no specific page at ladWP, then utilise lad:Vikipedya:Kafe for any conversation, and in the end consensus in small wikis means that no one says "no" for a reasonable reason.

I will have a look at the remainder of the questions when I have time to pose reasoned answers.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)