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ladwiki redux[edit]

Dear Billinghurst:

As I mentioned above, I am trying to contribute to the Ladino (Djudeo-Espanyol) Wikipedia. As you saw when I was here before, it's a pretty quiet wiki. Over the course of the last month or so, I have tried to reach two out of the three administrators there. I have had no responses whatsoever. I have also tried to get some attention in the local lad:Vikipedya:Kafe. Unfortunately, that page is broken up into several subpages, and none of them really seem active. So I don't really even know where to go to try to get consensus, whatever that may mean in a small wiki like that.

Accordingly, I wanted to get your feedback about doing a few things. A couple of them actually require administrator rights. Other changes I am thinking of can be accomplished without that, but normally I would want to gain consensus first.

Requiring administrator rights[edit]

There are several different ways to spell Ladino, and each at least has a template that appears on the home page. Simply put, I would like to add the date on the Hebrew calendar to the secular date on these templates. I consider that to be appropriate, in that (a) Ladino is a Jewish language, and (b) both Hebrew Wikipedia and Yiddish Wikipedia refer to the Hebrew calendar date and the secular date on their home pages. I copy-pasted two of the five templates at lad:Usador:StevenJ81/sandbox so you can see my intention.

  • I do intend to change the hyperlinks, because I just don't expect "day" articles, or even "month" articles, to be written very soon there (concerning either calendar). I thought I would simply link to "Gregorian calendar" and "Hebrew calendar" respectively.
  • The question of how I would spell the months in each place is addressed below.

These require administrator rights because as main-page templates, they are protected. If you went and unprotected (or semi-protected) them for a day, I could take care of this. I would inform you as soon as I finish.

Not requiring administrator rights, just consensus[edit]

Separately, I hoped to import a Gregorian-Hebrew calendar template I have been working on elsewhere. (See en:Template:Today/CE/AM and its interwiki links. I didn't create it myself, but I have ported it from enwiki to simplewiki, hewiki, yiwiki, lawiki and frwiki.) One problem was that as I found things a few days ago, the transliterations for the Hebrew months had not been localized for ladwiki. I boldly made a couple of obvious changes (at translatewiki), and the transliterations there now are reasonable. See my sandbox for where things are now.

The truth is that I am not sure myself where to find absolutely definitive spellings for these (or Gregorian months) according to all four Latin-alphabet spelling schemes; in any event, though, I doubt they would vary all that greatly. I got the idea, though, to look at the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia to see how they handled a dual-alphabet situation. I saw there that they simply put them both together, side by side with a slash in between. So I'd like to do that at the Ladino Wikipedia. I'd be very surprised if it breaks anything, and it would provide both a Latin alphabet version (more common these days) and a Hebrew alphabet version (more definitive, actually). I know how to do that at translatewiki, but just wanted to make sure you didn't think that was rash.

Sidebar: I have to go back to Serbo-Croatian and change the Hebrew months to dual-alphabet, consistent with the secular months and days of the week. I can use what is there—Latin alphabet—and what is on the Serbian Wikipedia—Cyrillic alphabet—as definitive guides. I'm willing to be bold about that.

Two other things, possibly requiring phabricator tickets?[edit]

There are two other things I'd ask your advice on, but wonder if they actually need to go to the coders:

  1. If you set your language preference on any site to he or yi, then go to the place where you can choose a default time-and-date style, you are actually given a choice of the Hebrew calendar date as one of the options. If you set your language preference to lad, not only do you not get that, but you get none of the other, standard choices? Why?
  2. There are pages in ladwiki in the Latin alphabet, and pages in the Hebrew alphabet. But if you look at the pages in the Hebrew alphabet (like lad:אלזס), you'll see that most of them nevertheless left-align, rather than right-align. Is there a way for pages in the Hebrew alphabet to right-align automatically? (I could do subst:-able templates to do what someone did on lad:אסטרונומייה, but better if the server can do it automatically.)

In any event, thank you for hearing me out. I'd appreciate any feedback you have. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I know zero about the specifics about ladWP and the language lad, so I feel really uncomfortable having an opinion about specific matters. @MF-Warburg: who is more language astute and better in these areas.

If there are matters that require immediate admin changes, then the place to request those is Steward requests/Miscellaneous and the GS/Stewards will handle it there. For discussion of admin rights, if there is no specific page at ladWP, then utilise lad:Vikipedya:Kafe for any conversation, and in the end consensus in small wikis means that no one says "no" for a reasonable reason.

I will have a look at the remainder of the questions when I have time to pose reasoned answers.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #165[edit]

Edit filter[edit]

Request help or forward me to someone who could help in creating an edit filter that disallows repeated characters and other vandalism on edit summaries for Ilokano Wikipedia. Thanks. --Lam-ang (talk) 13:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

enWP is probably the biggest writer of filters and most likely already have something close to usable for you. I suggest that you look at w:en:Wikipedia:Edit filter and it's talk page.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
I did look at the edit filters at enWP (and other big Wikipedias) but the ones that disallows vandalism for edit summary are mostly private so I have no access. I did implement a filter for repeated characters but does not seem to work on summaries. --Lam-ang (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
@Lam-ang: On the big wikis, just ask. They are private filters to hide them from the spammers/abusers, I would expect that they will be freely shared. If you see some that you like by name, please let me know which and I will export them from whichever wiki to iloWP. Re edit summaries, it should work the same as "added_lines", etc., just use the parameter "summary".  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Can you export en:Special:AbuseFilter/51 and en:Special:AbuseFilter/52 to iloWP and I'll try to review/modify it for use @ iloWP. Thanks.--Lam-ang (talk) 14:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

One sneaked in[edit]

Just to let you know that managed to sneak in an edit, despite the block you carried out last month. Nothing major but thought you might want to know. Green Giant (talk) 23:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. We had a global block, and meta is excluded from global blocks. I have placed a local block now.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:34, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


Dear Bilinghurst, I've seen you responded to a request about removing syria from the blacklist. Or to be more precise. You said, syria direct will be allowed. Could you please help me, because I would like to use sources from this site in various Hungarian articles. Could you please answer in my Talk page in English Wikipedia? Ksanyi (talk) 19:28, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #166[edit]

User page on huwikibooks[edit]

Hi! I found your user page on the Hungarian Wikibooks, which contains only a soft redirect here (to user page). Shall I delete it, so that your Meta user page appears directly there? --Tacsipacsi (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: If you wish, I have been disposing of them as I pass through wikis on anti-spam or steward tasks. Obviously you have no issues that bring me over. :-)

Link AA[edit]

nn:Mal:Link AA is subject to speedy deletion for more than a month. Should you delete it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Prod their local admins, there are plenty [1]  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

luri lrc main page and other page protect[edit]

I'm test admin of luri lrc wikipedia and I can't protect the main page and other page of this wiki please help me.lrc lori (talk) 09:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
so thanks
please protect these templates [2] and [3] sorry for this request thise page and templates are in first page and other edite them we need to protect them agaist the unsuitable edites. lrc lori (talk) 13:05, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:16, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

could you please protect these pages and templates that only test admin of luri lrc can edite them? please I'm so sorry.lrc lori (talk) 13:20, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
could you please protect this template[4] even luri useres as like as I can't edite that? and no one even luri wikipedia useres can't edite that template please some useres that they are'nt lur edite this template and they are from please help us please protect this template for always I and other luri wikipea useres ask you please.lrc lori (talk) 01:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mogoeilor: I cannot do anything for about half a day, if you need something done earlier, then probably better to place a request at Steward requests/Miscellaneous. Actually that is a better and more timely place for requests as either stewards or global sysops can assist you.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:28, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

For your information he keeps putting "Central Luri" on the main page, while the wiki meant for "Northern Luri" and he need to stop this behavior. Mjbmr (discussioncontribs) 08:31, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest that you take this up with the contributor, and/or within the community. I know not, the content.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I did, I'm asking you to don't do actions beyond your scope. Mjbmr (discussioncontribs) 12:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't and you weren't.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:28, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #167[edit]


Hi Billinghurst. You removed the block on 2001:41D0::/40 per request of OVH and one of its consumers, but sort of reinstated it by blocking the /32 range. Could you look at it please whether this was your intention? And shouldn't we remove more OVH blocks? (I wouldn't be surprised if there were more.) Trijnsteltalk 22:25, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Or am I wrong and does this 2001:41D0:70::/32 block only affects the 2001:41D0:70::/44 range and not the 2001:41D0::/40 range? Trijnsteltalk 22:38, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
@Trijnstel: I was simply softening a hard block that Vito had added and it would appear that the softening resets the base IP from the one that was originally assigned (this really screws up the clarity of the block history and makes them hard to find when the base IP is not specified.) Anyway, I have just removed it as there is a hotchpotch of blocks through that range and it is not worth wasting more time on the issue.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh... well, I just didn't get what had happened. Thanks for looking at it though. :-) Trijnsteltalk 15:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #168[edit]

About spam[edit]

hi Billinghurst i prepared the basilica cistern page in wikipedi simple english and i wrote my reference. please don't delete it and remove my blog from spam list. the website is —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruneme‎ (talk)

@Haruneme: I have a better idea, STOP ADDING YOUR BLOG. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, your links do not equate to authoritative information, and links to your site will be removed. If you continue to add your links, your site will be blacklisted. This has been explained, and this is the last time that I will convey this message.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

i will add topics on Wikipedia about places why don't i add links? Okay i read the rules of adding links please don't delete them okay? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk)

You are not listening. The Wikipedias are encyclopaedias, not directories of links. Your blogs are not, and will not be, authoritative, and the links to them WILL be removed. Stop adding them.  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:27, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

look the pages was prepared by me why do you change them? i am writing a things i share them on wikipedi and i add links. I understand you but don't touch pages that added by me?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruneme‎ (talk)

I don't change the text that you add, I remove links that you add that point to your site that is unauthorative, unreferenced, and a conflict of interest. I will continue to remove the links to your site if you add them again.  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

why do you remove the links? i prepared the page according to the blog. at that time i will delete the informations that i added to Wikipedi

I have explained why I remove the links. If you delete the information so be it, though that would make it clear that you are not here to build an encyclopaedia with no conflict of interest.  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Request for support[edit]


We need your kind support in importing pages included in w:mr::category:Transferable to Marathi Wikisource catgory to marathi language wikisource. While I requested access at this phab bug but still we have not received support on this front. So we request your kind support. Thanks Rgds

Mahitgar (He who knows ,wants to know and and loves to keep others informed) (talk) 15:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


Wikipedia article on St. Joseph's school, Darjeeling reads like an advert, usage of over the top grandiloquent language. Revise is necessary.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 06:52, 31 July 2015‎

I am not sure which language wiki to which you are referring, though please feel free to edit it to make it suitable for that wiki.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:40, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #169[edit]