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My other 3 accounts

Hello Johannnes89, thank you very much for unblocking me following this request: Steward requests/Global/2025-w43#h-Global unlock for TitCrisse-Requests for global (un)lock and (un)hiding-20251026100000 . Would it be possible to also please unblock my other accounts which were locked for the same (erroneous) reason: Pramod8375, Zivlo, & Mamani1990? Thank you very much, regards, TitCrisse (talk) 23:44, 1 November 2025 (UTC).

Pinging @LD for their opinion. Personally I don't think we should allow those sockpuppets to be used again. Johannnes89 (talk) 07:06, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello Johannnes89, respectfully, those 3 accounts are not sockpuppets of ConsumersDistributingonline. I made the newbie mistake of not declaring that all these accounts were mine on their user pages. I have corrected this on my TitCrisse account now to clearly state that I use all 4 accounts.

TitCrisse was my first and original account. You and LD have established that TitCrisse is not a sockpuppet of ConsumersDistributingonline. Pramod8375, Zivlo, and Mamani1990 were locked because I wrote in a similar way and did similar actions as my TitCrisse account. So people automatically assumed that those accounts were also part of ConsumersDistributingonline, since TitCrisse was globally locked at the time for this reason. When TitCrisse became globally locked in December 2024, I declared that Pramod8375 and Zivlo were also my accounts and they became locked right after I declared.

So TitCrisse ≠ ConsumersDistributingonline, but TitCrisse = Pramod8375 = Zivlo = Mamani1990. I hope this clears things up. Thank you very much for your help. Regards, TitCrisse (talk) 12:17, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Johannnes89 and @Girth Summit.

From a purely policy-based reasoning at Meta (global lock, sock puppetry): as soon as TitCrisse links their accounts, I'd unlock Pramod8375, Zivlo, and Mamani1990, since there's no DaC lock evasion per se.

If TitCrisse doesn't link their accounts, I'd at least update the lock reason to make things clearer (probably under "cross-wiki abuse" or something similar).

That said, from the frwiki perspective, there's a high chance that Pramod8375, Zivlo, and Mamani1990 will be locally blocked for Sock puppetry and Tag team.

I can't speak for the enwiki side, but from what I've understood from Girth Summit in this topic, Mamani1990 is at least blocked.

> @Girth Summit: I'd recommend checking whether enwiki will block Pramod8375 and Zivlo.

That said, they might still become eligible for a global lock later on if both frwiki and enwiki block them.

I'd then stall the decision to see if frwiki and enwiki block Pramod8375, Zivlo & Mamani1990.

TL;DR: Even if there's no clear ground to lock TitCrisse's other accounts for "DaC lock evasion", there's still a valid basis for local blocks — or even a global lock — for cross-wiki sockpuppetry. I'd nevertheless recommend to wait local decisions to apply the global one. LD (talk) 13:25, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I don't understand what you mean by cross-wiki sockpuppetry. I declared my accounts when asked, I simply forgot to write it in my user page.

Pramod8375 was exclusively used to update the fr and en articles on Louis Lagassé (it was never used to vote on keeping articles or vandalism for example). I have never vandalised any Wikipedia project with any account.

Zivlo never made any edits to any wikipedia project.

Mamani1990 was used exclusively on en wiki, because I thought that TitCrisse would be blocked forever and that no one would believe me that I am not part of ConsumersDistributingonline. I wrote 12 great articles with this account, voted extensively, and fought lots of vandalism and gained user rights. I understand that I made a mistake by not declaring my previous accounts and tried to evade the global lock. Even though the global lock was unwarranted in my opinion. But again, I never used this account to commit vandalism or sockpuppetry (as in using the account to vote many times in a discussion to keep an article, for example).

Thank you, regards, TitCrisse (talk) 14:30, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Using another account to circumvent a block (even if you believe the block to be wrong) is sockpuppet abuse. Johannnes89 (talk) 17:11, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

OK, thank you for clarifying. I respect your decision. Best, TitCrisse (talk) 17:12, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

TitCrisse - you were still blocked on enwiki, but began using the TitCrisse account without requesting an unblock. That is not OK, and I have blocked the TitCrisse account for block evasion. Your accounts may be unlocked, but the local block at enwiki has not been lifted. Girth Summit _(blether) 16:44, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello Girth Summit, I'm really confused here and I apologize for having somehow broken the rules again unintentionally. When you say I was still blocked on enwiki, are you referring to my Mamani1990 account? I tried to request an unblock from my IP but was blocked for doing so. I then submitted an unblock ticket request which is still pending. So I did try to request the unblock. The account was incorrectly associated to ConsumersDistributingonline as the above references mention.

I assumed that I was free to edit when TitCrisse became globally unlocked. Could you please clarify what am I to do now? Thank you, TitCrisse (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2025 (UTC).

You cannot edit on enwiki until you have successfully appealed your block there. If you have a UTRS ticket open, wait for the outcome of that process. If the reviewing UTRS admin tells you to make your unblock request onwiki, then sign into the blocked account and request unblock from there. Do not make any edits to enwiki (aside from posting an unblock request, and responding to reviewing admins who may ask you questions) until the unblock request has been accepted. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:35, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Also - what can you tell us about BoboImportéduPlateau? Girth Summit _(blether) 19:51, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, this was also my account on fr wiki. I used it to remove puffery from fr:Marilyse Hamelin after this news article talked about the incident on Wikipedia I was involved in: [1].

I'm also responsible for these diffs on en wiki: [2], [3], [4], [5]. @Asilvering correctly blocked them all. We've also interacted through Mamani1990.

I take full responsibility. I did this while trying to circumvent the lock. For what it's worth now, I'm sorry. TitCrisse (talk) 20:14, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

The first of those diffs is quite troubling. It is both insulting and threatening, and is the kind of thing that might have earned you a block even without the block/lock evasion. Given that it was just a week ago, I think there is very little chance of you being unblocked on enwiki any time soon. Out of interest, what is the meaning of the phrase Bobo Importé du Plateau? I have enough French to know what the words mean (aside from 'Bobo'), but without any context I'm drawing a blank. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:51, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

I'll add that I don't see a UTRS ticked for Mamani1990 - are you talking about enwiki UTRS? If so, which account did you use to submit it? Girth Summit _(blether) 21:10, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi Girth Summit, I agree that the first diff I shared above is troubling, I was rude. "Don't test the depth of a river with both feet" is a famous African proverb once used by Warren Buffet. It means that one should not commit to a situation without first thinking and assessing the risks involved. The user in question has made repeated problematic COI edits to Wikipedia, trying to publish a page about Nicola Paparusso. I was heavily involved in the 2nd AFD discussion for that one [6], it had AI writing and a positive SPI. I suspect the user in question is doing it most likely for pay. They tried to appeal the deletion and were rejected, [7]. I was surprised to see just one week ago that the article was back up and was among the first results when someone Google'd the name Nicola Paparusso. I asked the new AFC reviewer (LuniZunie) who had approved the article why they did so, and they quickly agreed about their error and nominated for deletion/reverted after I pointed it out, diff: [8]. I was rude, yes, but I have never vandalised or made COI edits.

Les Bobos[9] was a show that ran in QC made by fr:Marc Labrèche, one of my favourite actors. It's a play on words using that show, meaning that I'm an imported Bobo. In the show, the "Bobos" lived in the Plateau Mont-Royal neighborhood of Montréal.

My UTRS ticket is filled under TitCrisse, because that was the original account that got incorrectly globally locked and I assumed that's where I needed to start. The appeal key for this ticket is: c55f055eb453762cecdf0c27ba567b12dc6b205124550c531f59a67d08072ff8627e587113edd2ae56b05dddf2edfbcdea60c4e20bf951d2c2117ec340ffb72f. Should I try and file a new appeal for Mamani1990, while logged in to TitCrisse? Should I temporarily banish myself from Wikipedia for say 2 weeks before attempting anything else?

I still have a lot to give to this community. I know I can write many other great articles about forgotten figures from the 19th century and other topics. I made numerous newbie mistakes when starting out that I never addressed properly, I apologize for this. I would appreciate being given a second chance. Thank you, best, TitCrisse (talk) 23:26, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm no expert on the UTRS appeal system, but I can't find that an appeal was ever made for the TitCrisse account. Did you ever receive a response to your email?

You would be at liberty to appeal the block of the TitCrisse account, since the other accounts remain locked. You could link to this conversation in the appeal. To be honest with you though, I think the most likely outcome will be that you are advised to wait six months per concept known as the 'standard offer' on enwiki. Even if your original block was unwarranted, the fact that you evaded it multiple times, including as recently as a week ago, is not in your favour.

I have never heard of that African proverb, but I'm sure that there are lots of proverbs I have never heard of. I am not saying that the person you directed it towards was a saint - I have not looked at their editing at all - but to someone who has never heard the phrase before, it sounded a lot like someone saying 'mess with me and there will be consequences', which is a threat. My general advice to editors is to avoid using figurative language on Wikipedia, at least with people who you don't already know well. Editors have a wide range of levels of English fluency, and even native speakers from different parts of the world use words and phrases very differently - there is great scope for misunderstanding. If you want to tell someone that their editing is inappropriately promotional and that you suspect that they may have a conflict of interest, say exactly that. Girth Summit _(blether) 14:30, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

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Done Johannnes89 (talk) 13:32, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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