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MoreMenu gadget

Hi fellows, there is a request to implement this gadget here on Meta. I have no objections, more opinions? Syum90 (talk) 08:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

As there have been no objections for more than one week I've proceeded to add the gadget. Regards.--Syum90 (talk) 11:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Temporary user rights and "flooder" right: proposed that should be the practice for this right

With the addition to the mediawiki capacity to temporarily assign rights, I believe that as we have and utilise the "flooder"/"Flood flag", that the community could reasonably have the expectation that this right would only by assigned by 'crats, and self-applied by admins on a temporary basis. Also hopefully that it could be applied for periods of hours at most.

I also feel that we should amend the text Flooder to talk about good practice would be only to assign this temporarily.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:23, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

There are some technical issues being investigated ATM IIRC about the system not working very well with short periods of time due to caching or something else I don't quite remember. MusikAnimal will know better for sure. Other than that, yep, to avoid ghost flood flags, temporary assignements looks okay to me.Thanks, —MarcoAurelio 08:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Display issue only. The right expires on time, however the userrights page doesn't catch up through caching. Fix has been coded, so resolved and not an inhibitor.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

If this is technically feasible, it wuld help (in my capacity as a Wikidata crat)--Ymblanter (talk) 11:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

It is technically feasible, been there and had it work at enWS.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Excellent point! StevenJ81 (talk) 14:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Translation

The "Interested" section of Wikimedia User Group Hong Kong is not being translated properly. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks, Jc86035 (talk) 08:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Should it be translated at all? It's just a signature list, why bother? It's just far out of date, because it's somehow stuck in limbo without preparing for translation. Is there a way to exclude this paragraph from the translation block? Grüße vom Sänger ♫^(Reden) 08:50, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Probably grist for the mill for Meta:Babylon  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Gadget / Gadget definition namespaces - are they operative?

Thanks, —MarcoAurelio 10:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Ping? —MarcoAurelio 12:42, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Editing News #1—2017

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can review your changes visually?

When you are finished editing the page, type your edit summary and then choose "Review your changes".

In visual mode, you will see additions, removals, new links, and formatting highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.

Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.

The wikitext diff is the same diff tool that is used in the wikitext editors and in the page history. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and adding the new visual diff tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes

• A new wikitext editing mode is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. The 2017 wikitext editor has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures to enable the New wikitext mode.
• A new visual diff tool is available in VisualEditor's visual mode. You can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. More features will be added to this later. In the future, this tool may be integrated into other MediaWiki components. [1]
• The team have added multi-column support for lists of footnotes. The <references /> block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. [2]
• You can now use your web browser's function to switch typing direction in the new wikitext mode. This is particularly helpful for RTL language users like Urdu or Hebrew who have to write JavaScript or CSS. You can use Command+Shift+X or Control+Shift+X to trigger this. [3]
• The way to switch between the visual editing mode and the wikitext editing mode is now consistent. There is a drop-down menu that shows the two options. This is now the same in desktop and mobile web editing, and inside things that embed editing, such as Flow. [4]
• The Categories item has been moved to the top of the Page options menu (from clicking on the "hamburger" icon) for quicker access. [5] There is also now a "Templates used on this page" feature there. [6]
• You can now create <chem> tags (sometimes used as <ce>) for chemical formulas inside the visual editor. [7]
• Tables can be set as collapsed or un-collapsed. [8]
• The Special character menu now includes characters for Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and angle quotation marks (‹› and ⟨⟩) . The team thanks the volunteer developer, Tpt. [9]
• A bug caused some section edit conflicts to blank the rest of the page. This has been fixed. The team are sorry for the disruption. [10]
• There is a new keyboard shortcut for citations: Control+Shift+K on a PC, or Command+Shift+K on a Mac. It is based on the keyboard shortcut for making links, which is Control+K or Command+K respectively. [11]

Future changes

• The team is working on a syntax highlighting tool. It will highlight matching pairs of <ref> tags and other types of wikitext syntax. You will be able to turn it on and off. It will first become available in VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode, maybe late in 2017. [12]
• The kind of button used to Show preview, Show changes, and finish an edit will change in all WMF-supported wikitext editors. The new buttons will use OOjs UI. The buttons will be larger, brighter, and easier to read. The labels will remain the same. You can test the new button by editing a page and adding &ooui=1 to the end of the URL, like this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox?action=edit&ooui=1 The old appearance will no longer be possible, even with local CSS changes. [13]
• The outdated 2006 wikitext editor will be removed later this year. It is used by approximately 0.03% of active editors. See a list of editing tools on mediawiki.org if you are uncertain which one you use. [14]
• If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!

—Elitre (WMF)

18:05, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Toolbox not appearing

Apparently, I don't see the editing toolbox appearing. I wonder why. Also, typing the signature is becoming a pain. --George Ho (talk) 03:35, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I think it has been a temporary issue, now I can see and use the editing toolbox perfectly.--Syum90 (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Not working again. We also have the same problem on n:ca: since several days ago. Syum90 (talk) 11:23, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Syum90: It's working again on Meta-wiki (and probably most Wikipedia sites). Not the same for Catalan Wikinews. n:ca:Viquinotícies:La cantina is full of automated announcements, so notifying Catalan users isn't easy. Also, at that site, the notification button and subpage are not loading well. Seems to me that Catalan Wikinews may have technical issues at the moment. --George Ho (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

All was working perfectly on the Catalan Wikinews until several days ago. Probably a change has been implemented in the MediaWiki software that has made many things stop working; "HotCat" and other gadgets are also not working since then. Syum90 (talk) 13:00, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Catalan Wikinews is one of my home wikis, along with Meta and Spanish Wikibooks. We are mainly three active local users there, and all of us know what happens. Syum90 (talk) 13:25, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Besides Wikimedia Forum, where else to report the technical problem with those sites? --George Ho (talk) 17:00, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

We can go to mw:Project:Support desk. I've been waiting because it could be a temporary issue.--Syum90 (talk) 19:00, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

JavaScript is completely broken for many users on hundreds of wikis, see phabricator:T122755. Nemo 21:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Already filed the ticket case. --George Ho (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "ticket case", but mediawiki.org is not an issue tracker. As already explained on phabricator:T122755, JavaScript was intentionally broken for many users and wikis by MediaWiki developers. I'm going to leave some notes locally. Nemo 09:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both for your help.--Syum90 (talk) 09:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

New project - WikiBarCodes

Hi there. We have a new idea for Wiki sister project. Please, take a look at that (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiBarCodes), give your opinion, and so on. I appreciate any help. Thank you in advance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexandrKalaur (talk • contribs) 13:10, 14 May 2017‎ (UTC) (UTC)

WMDE policy RSS feed update

At https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165285, Leszek required an update of the RSS URL to https://tagteam.harvard.edu/hubs/wmde-policy/items.rss. Framawiki provided a config change, I deployed it and updated the RSS here.

I assumed this URL change was an upkeep trivial request, and so merged the change, but let me know if in the future you prefer to discuss such config changes and reach consensus before we merge URL updates (as previously done to *add* this URL for example) . --Dereckson (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Editing and translating the Kreyol Wikipedya

Greetings and sak pase. I am working on translating some of the content that is used on the Haitian wikipedya. Translation requests have been prioritized by others and I would like to translate specific language that readers see before I translate the messages that have been assigned by WM. For example, the very common word User should be "Moun kap itilize li an" instead of the French "itilizatè". It is difficult to translate the thousands of words and phrases when I have a different priority. Can the list of needed translations be prioritized by me instead of WP? Best Regards,

Barbara (WVS) (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Barbara (WVS): Actually, MediaWiki is translated at translatewiki. See https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:SupportedLanguages/ht. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:37, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

This I know - but I can't enter my translation of highly used words on the ht Wikipedya. I suspect that the words and phrases I want to translate are buried deep with in the list authored by WM translators. I want to find the terms to translate according to my priorities rather than what I am assigned. Regards,

Barbara (WVS) (talk) 19:22, 20 May 2017 (UTC)