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New project - WikiBarCodes[edit]

Hi there. We have a new idea for Wiki sister project. Please, take a look at that (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiBarCodes), give your opinion, and so on. I appreciate any help. Thank you in advance. The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexandrKalaur (talk • contribs) 13:10, 14 May 2017‎ (UTC) (UTC)

Revisiting Abuse filter editors[edit]

Hi all, I'd like to spark some conversation about the currently defunct global group "Abuse filter editors". I'm an administrator on the English Wikipedia, and I try to help out here and there on other projects when they get a spike in vandalism - a lot of the time (and especially recently), this vandalism is actually automated bots who proxy-jump and cause a lot of damage in a short space of time. When this happens, we often find ourselves developing edit filters to identify or disallow the edits. A fair few times, we've shared filters with other projects to help them once the bot moves on to their wiki, and although this works when there is a AbuseFilter-confident administrator around, sometimes on smaller wikis there just aren't available administrators, or those who are active don't use the Abuse Filter.

The Abuse Filter extension is due be improved through the Community Health Initiative, with possible features such as user agent matching being discussed. I think it's about time we consider bringing back the Abuse filter editors group, and allowing trusted, technically able editors to help our smaller communities. Today zh.wikinews was hit by one of their LTAs whilst their four active administrators were unavailable - in this situation I would have been able to create a rather simple filter to keep the disruption to a minimum whilst our stewards worked to lock the proxy IPs. Yes, this could have been resolved with more local administrators, and yes this could have been limited by the actions of global sysops - however, I along with many other able editors, don't have the xwiki-ness sought after to be assigned global sysop, and I don't speak Chinese Face-smile.svg

The abuse filter extension is one of the most powerful tools we have access to, and by bringing back the abuse filter editors group, we can enable more projects to benefit from the extension and focus on the important things like writing content -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 13:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Filters which apply to many wikis should be global filters, rather than be copied manually to many wikis. Nemo 14:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Entirely agreed, and the original `abuse filter editors` group had the ability to create or modify global abuse filters -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 14:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
It is not clear what is your specific proposal. Ruslik (talk) 20:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Re-enabling abuse filter editors -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 07:02, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
In the past, the group was open only to WMF staff and a couple of technically-minded volunteers who helped develop it. It was not widely available for "normal" users. As to the utility of bringing it back, it could let some people help out as with editinterface, but would be significantly more powerful. We would need to establish some clear guidelines around where and when to use it in line with editinterface, and membership would need to be quite restricted. – Ajraddatz (talk) 07:07, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Operating on Meta while locked (as per Global block).[edit]

As the global locking page states that global locks are just global blocks for named accounts and the latter doesn't affect Meta-Wiki unless any disruptions are committed here does that mean that I can hang out on this wiki for the duration of my lock? If not then why not? (the global locking page states that It’s only a temporary measure until global blocks for accounts have been developed.)

Also why can’t I be locally whitelisted for Dutch Wikipedia, if it’s Wikipedia's stated goal to have “building an encyclopedia” before anything else then why should my global lock also affect a wiki I’ve exclusively been a positive contributor to?

Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. --118.70.151.49 00:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC) (Donald Trump)

No, you aren't welcome to hang around here while locked. You've appealed through the proper channels, and you'll receive an answer at some point through them. – Ajraddatz (talk)

Meta talk:Requests for adminship#Proposal: Move to Meta:Requests for permissions[edit]

Proposal to move the page Meta:Requests for adminship to Meta:Requests for permissions, to better reflect the page's purpose and improve clarity. --Yair rand (talk) 04:03, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

The Go button? (📌Reader help needs massive review)[edit]

Unless the standard skin is hiding something from me, the Help:Go button page discusses a feature that no longer exists, and hasn't for some time! (I'm guessing it was unnecessary once the letter-by-letter pop-up list was implemented and was removed.) As you can see, compared to the history of the similar page at en.WP, Help:Go button has languished far too long, which indirectly indicates that the entire documentation set aimed at readers needs immediate and then periodic review.

I'm putting this here instead of Help talk:Go button because we need a lot more attention to this topic, which was brought up there already in 2012.

From what I can see, considerations include:

  1. Help:Go button should be changed into a redirect to Help:Searching or some section of it.
  2. Is this lack of review of readers' documentation as common as this Go button page and its talk page's unanswered question makes me think it is? Or this just one feature that just happened to escape review? (I only noticed it when rambling around this site because "Go" was on top of the list at Help:Reader and I wondered what Go could possibly be.)
  3. Should some system or position within Wikimedia be created to monitor mission-fundamental editing...um...realms? within each project that are reader-focused? Editors are by nature much less likely to stumble across them. (Reading so much wuxiaworld.com has deprived me of the right word, so help me out here please!)
  4. If so, once this system/person finds a project's readers' documentation review is needed or overdue, should someone within Wikimedia perform the review if a volunteer can't be found in a reasonable amount of time?
  5. What characteristics would trigger readers' documentation needing a review? Time elapsed since last edit? Changes being rolled out?
  6. Is there a way to integrate this system/position into existing, reliably used procedures so it doesn't fall by the wayside or cause annoyance until it is axed?

Sorry for the data-dump and I wish I could do this myself, but my real-life limitations get in the way of me following up reliably, so I can only do things in one go as long as I last. Plus, I mainly edit on en.WP and en.WT, rarely here, so/because I don't have a good grasp on what to do around here. Thanks! —Geekdiva (talk) 22:26, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

This is certainly about the monobook skin ([1], but this feature exists in Vector too, only it is not a button. When the dropdown search suggestion appear you can use the matching one to go directly for the page — this is the same as go button, or you can select the bottom most option which will look for pages containing the search term — the same as the search button. It must be indicated on that page that it is about something you see only in non-default skin. Nevertherless as that skin is still in use by many editors I do not think it is right to modify that page in a more radical way. --Base (talk) 22:48, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Change administrator permission[edit]

Hello. I stopped my activity as of March 2017 For clean start. My previous username is Aabdullayev851 and with this username I am administrator on Azerbaijani Wiktionary. Now I want change administrator permission to my new username (Drabdullayev17). What can I do for it? --Drabdullayev17 (talk) 07:35, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

You should notify Azerbaijani Wiktionary about your desire to transfer the admin permission to the new account and then request it on SRP. Ruslik (talk) 12:21, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Make WM a namespace alias for the Meta (NS_PROJECT) namespace on Meta-Wiki[edit]

Hello. I'm shamelessly stealing Base's idea from his long list and I'd like to propose that we request that WM be set as a namespace alias for the Meta: namespace. Currently WM: is being used as a shortcut for the Meta namespace (ie: WM:RFH), and currently we've got:

MariaDB [metawiki_p]> SELECT page_id, page_namespace, page_title FROM page WHERE page_title LIKE "WM:%";
+----------+----------------+----------------------------------+
| page_id  | page_namespace | page_title                       |
+----------+----------------+----------------------------------+
| 10131622 |              0 | WM:2FA                           |
|  2244899 |              0 | WM:4WP                           |
|    75898 |              0 | WM:A                             |
|    75897 |              0 | WM:A/C                           |
|   173414 |              0 | WM:A/R                           |
|   229578 |              0 | WM:ABOUT                         |
|   139678 |              0 | WM:ADMIN                         |
|  2328446 |              0 | WM:AGE                           |
|   118330 |              0 | WM:ALPH                          |
|   135537 |              0 | WM:AWB                           |
|   101702 |              0 | WM:B                             |
|   136145 |              0 | WM:BABEL                         |
|  2327395 |              0 | WM:BIRTHDAY                      |
|   278933 |              0 | WM:BM                            |
|   101249 |              0 | WM:Birthday                      |
|   598528 |              0 | WM:CEEM                          |
|   601137 |              0 | WM:CEEWiki                       |
|   101713 |              0 | WM:CHU                           |
|  2229053 |              0 | WM:CNA                           |
| 10208286 |              0 | WM:CPP                           |
|    54475 |              0 | WM:CSD                           |
|  1194372 |              0 | WM:CU                            |
|   255501 |              0 | WM:DEL                           |
|    43926 |              0 | WM:DP                            |
|  2279924 |              0 | WM:EDP                           |
|   139132 |              0 | WM:FORUM                         |
|  2244901 |              0 | WM:FORWP                         |
|    59283 |              0 | WM:FRKO                          |
|   188720 |              0 | WM:FU                            |
|   163003 |              0 | WM:GR                            |
| 10426046 |              0 | WM:GR/I                          |
|    43886 |              0 | WM:H                             |
|    47697 |              0 | WM:HELP                          |
|    51130 |              0 | WM:I                             |
|    58438 |              0 | WM:I/D                           |
|    46924 |              0 | WM:I/RP                          |
|  3669614 |              0 | WM:I/he                          |
| 10186604 |              0 | WM:I/zh                          |
|    51129 |              0 | WM:IAS                           |
|    74195 |              0 | WM:IP                            |
|  8772240 |              0 | WM:IPBE                          |
|  2267438 |              0 | WM:IR2013                        |
|    47663 |              0 | WM:IRP                           |
|    86621 |              0 | WM:IW-WIKT                       |
|  1267848 |              0 | WM:LGBT                          |
|    63683 |              0 | WM:LPP                           |
|    51656 |              0 | WM:LS                            |
|   278937 |              0 | WM:M                             |
|  1532595 |              0 | WM:MED                           |
|  2994963 |              0 | WM:MMS                           |
| 10302180 |              0 | WM:MOREMENU                      |
|    64090 |              0 | WM:MSF                           |
|   133629 |              0 | WM:MSR                           |
|    41964 |              0 | WM:NOP                           |
|    54871 |              0 | WM:NOT                           |
|    72569 |              0 | WM:NPA                           |
|  8772263 |              0 | WM:OM                            |
|    41605 |              0 | WM:OP                            |
|    41967 |              0 | WM:OP/B                          |
|    45920 |              0 | WM:OP/H                          |
|    41607 |              0 | WM:OP/blacklist                  |
|    41606 |              0 | WM:OP/help                       |
|   179559 |              0 | WM:OPD                           |
|  1063718 |              0 | WM:OS                            |
|    88371 |              0 | WM:PAE                           |
|    51343 |              0 | WM:PAG                           |
| 10052896 |              0 | WM:PAGEVIEWS                     |
|    76476 |              0 | WM:PCBP                          |
|    44265 |              0 | WM:PCP                           |
|    47710 |              0 | WM:PF                            |
|    61978 |              0 | WM:PIE                           |
| 10248387 |              0 | WM:POTHI                         |
|    43883 |              0 | WM:PPM                           |
|    44456 |              0 | WM:PPM/2006                      |
|    60932 |              0 | WM:PUB                           |
|  2244495 |              0 | WM:R                             |
|   126081 |              0 | WM:RADIO                         |
|    43706 |              0 | WM:RFA                           |
|  4580127 |              0 | WM:RFAA                          |
|  6553027 |              0 | WM:RFC                           |
|    85334 |              0 | WM:RFCU                          |
|    43831 |              0 | WM:RFD                           |
|    44403 |              0 | WM:RFD/2003                      |
|    44378 |              0 | WM:RFD/2005                      |
|    44376 |              0 | WM:RFD/2006                      |
|    69963 |              0 | WM:RFD/2007                      |
|   130131 |              0 | WM:RFGP                          |
|    68728 |              0 | WM:RFH                           |
|  9977809 |              0 | WM:RFL                           |
|    46867 |              0 | WM:RFU                           |
|   588731 |              0 | WM:RfD                           |
|    75465 |              0 | WM:SALT                          |
|    79301 |              0 | WM:SAND                          |
|    43829 |              0 | WM:SB                            |
|   153705 |              0 | WM:SBL                           |
|   134247 |              0 | WM:SGP                           |
|    71708 |              0 | WM:SMW                           |
|    54879 |              0 | WM:SPAM                          |
| 10426050 |              0 | WM:STRAT2017                     |
| 10426049 |              0 | WM:STRAT2017/BAAU                |
|   939168 |              0 | WM:TA                            |
|   117751 |              0 | WM:TBL                           |
|    89014 |              0 | WM:TEMP                          |
| 10172057 |              0 | WM:TEMP/zh                       |
|   633917 |              0 | WM:TEST                          |
|    22487 |              0 | WM:TOTW                          |
|    89016 |              0 | WM:UC                            |
|  7486345 |              0 | WM:URB                           |
|    44981 |              0 | WM:VIE                           |
|  7486338 |              0 | WM:VN                            |
|  2234099 |              0 | WM:WIKINEWSIE                    |
| 10107197 |              0 | WM:WISHLIST2016                  |
| 10121391 |              0 | WM:WISHLIST2016/Category_button  |
| 10124257 |              0 | WM:WISHLIST2016/Heading          |
| 10107199 |              0 | WM:WISHLIST2016/Proposal_button  |
| 10107247 |              0 | WM:WISHLIST2016/Proposal_section |
|    44979 |              0 | WM:WM                            |
|   598383 |              0 | WM:WMDEBUDGET                    |
|  1246226 |              0 | WM:WMMED                         |
|    71671 |              0 | WM:БОПС                          |
|  7731371 |              1 | WM:I/D                           |
+----------+----------------+----------------------------------+
121 rows in set (4.53 sec)

What's your opinion? Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Thanks for starting this, it would take ages for me to get to this. I definitely Support Support the change. See also quarry:/query/21730 — some things such as CAT, H, and T suggest that we might need more aliases. At least H and CAT are the ones I would support. T redirects are now used for Talk but it is counter-intuitive for me, I though it would be Template. Alas, I do not have a good solution for many other things the query returns, e.g. ヘルプ or Ndihmë. --Base (talk) 01:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
  • "WM" is a weird prefix and I don't understand its value. This wiki is Meta-Wiki, which would traditionally be "mw:", but that's used for MediaWiki.org, of course. "WM" much more naturally conveys "Wikimedia"; shortening "Meta" or "Meta-Wiki" to "WM" feels pretty strange and wrong to me. In many cases, the "WM:" prefix isn't actually pointing to the "Meta" meta-namespace here. For example, WM:FORUM goes to Wikimedia Forum, which is in the main namespace. "meta:" and "m:" are already both globally valid prefixes for Meta-Wiki, so I'm not sure I see the point of these "WM:" links at all. Where are they useful? Instead of WM:2FA, for example, you could write 2FA or m:2FA and both would be shorter. Same with WM:RFH; RFH and m:RFH are both shorter. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
    I think WM: stands for Wikimedia Meta-Wiki or Wikimedia Meta. WMW: could be used too, but I'm not sure. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:18, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
    The idea of namespaces is there could exist "Admins", "Meta:Admins", "Template:Admins" and those would be three different pages with different semantic meaning. For instance for the Template ns the parser knows that it is the page there that the {{}} syntax is to embed something from unless otherwise specified. Perfectly there should not be cross-links between them. It is not a big deal on this wiki, with no article namespace, so RFH can stay, but normally shortcuts are kept in the same ns as the target page. We have various places in the interfaces (GUI, API or database end-points) where you could filter things by ns and it is very unsettling when things work contrary to how they should. For instance ns mess does hinder MassMessage in some wikis as mentioned in the thread linked. While this particular problem is not applicable to what is in question here, there always can randomly appear unexpected different problems. --Base (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
    I understand the value of both namespaces and namespace aliases. In this case, I'm not sure why anyone is using "WM:" or why it would be a good idea to encourage its use. At most, it's saving two characters ("WM:" instead of "Meta:"), but it's doing so by using a really confusing and unintuitive abbreviation. --MZMcBride (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
    I think it is habitual thing. Most of us are Wikipedians and we are used that project namespace pages have WP:XY shortcuts. Some come from WQ and are used to WQ alias for ns4 and so on. WM as Wiki-Meta or Wikimedia Meta-wiki fits well into this (While Commons with COM doesn't but Commons also was the last one to acquire a sane interwiki prefix so it is a different story). But no matter how we ended up having those shortcuts I think it is a good idea to have them organised now, we cannot just get rid of them and brake all the links used for over a decade. --Base (talk) 10:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I don't see a need for such an alias. --MF-W 23:21, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

New userboxes: Template:User Slovakia and Template:User EU[edit]

Hello! I created new userboxes: Template:User Slovakia and Template:User EU. If you want, you can use them. --MDsmajlik (talk, contributions) 18:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)