User talk:Beetstra

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Notice of review of adminship[edit]

Hello Beetstra. In accordance with Meta:Administrators/Removal and because you have made fewer than ten logged administrator actions over the past six months, your adminship is under review at Meta:Administrators/Removal/October 2015. If you would like to retain your adminship, please sign there before October 09, 2015. Kind regards, MF-W 03:57, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: .. again .. contributions - those are apparently not taken into account. This is just the same as what happened in April.

COIBot not seeing trusted users, when initiating cloak protected commands[edit]

Hi Beetstra. Trying to issue "report xwiki ...", "quickcreate ...", etc. " and other cloak protected commands to no luck. In the circumstances where COIBot talks back it is stating User wikisource/billinghurst is not in my list of trusted users. I have checked the file (present) and re-edited the file (just in case), restarted commander (successful), ... all to no avail.

COIBot is running, saving files and generally reporting, all as expected. The LiWa3 are there as _1, _2 and _4. There are 871 files in backlog, and that is slowly growing. So something seems a little askew. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Sigh, something is wrong with the db. Something has been changed, bots are unresponsive altogether. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 03:23, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
See T121094. Basically the bot has been throttled to death. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 03:33, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Thx. You will see that James commented. He did get some extra commentary from me about the lack of outreach, among a few lesser points. He said that he will follow up.  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:12, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Outreach from WMF? .. where did I complain about that before .. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 05:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I've killed the Analysers - so nothing goes into the db, all goes into the analyser queue now. As long as there is one connection, the db is further quite useless probably. I presume that it is a faulty query or a missing index that is the problem, but ... --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 11:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
OK, LiWa3 is now really dead.  :-( --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 11:37, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
User:COIBot/XWiki/ was in a loop.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: Whatever, I've taken COIBot, LiWa3 and XLinkBot offline, and have replied to the Phabricator with an angry remark. This is not the friggin' first time that they (last time it was the devs) do things without announcing it, and it takes me hours and hours to take them back on. First shoot, then ask questions seems to be a WMF motto. The databases will run just fine if bot operators will choose to use another place to run them. You've got a spare server in your basement? --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 11:51, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

1h 6m fwiw[edit]

… that is the current amount of time that COIBot takes to respond to "whereadded", "report xwiki …" commands. :-/ and that other responses are still pending and that time gap has passed.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:34, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Still the old problem - the database is growing so unseemingly big that it starts to seriously lag in counting .. I need to restrict COIBot in a different way. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 11:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Grants:IdeaLab/Bot to detect and tag advocacy editing[edit]

Would be interested in your thoughts on this, if you didn't see it. Jytdog (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the remark. I'll think about it for a moment - part of this is done by edit filters and COIBot, but this goes further than that. You'd need the input of that antivandalism bot system on en.wikipedia, that scores vandalism. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 03:17, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Hm! I have no idea how the back-end of all these things works. One of the criteria in my mental filters is "unsourced content" so if that is part of what vandalism-bot looks at, that would be helpful. I imagine some of the semantic filtering too. But i have no idea. ack. Thanks tho for considering this. Jytdog (talk) 03:41, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
The following things are easy:
  • COIBot: check username / IP vs. domains added or text added. If 'CompanyX' adds text mentioning 'CompanyX', or the page 'CompanyX', then there is .. reason for concern (it may be fine).
  • SPA-like accounts. Editors focussing on one company/organisation. COIBot does follow that as well.
  • Typical text is filtered in e.g. - though only for non-draft userspace edits. One could do something similar on mainspace (but we've been reluctant because that may be heavy on the server).
One of the antivandalism bots works on the basis of heuristics, it 'learns' which terms or type of edits are bad (if 'poop' is bad, then likely 'pooop' is also bad), and the smarter it gets the better it gets. Problem with COI edits is that they should not necessarily be reverted, just tagged (as opposed to vandalism) - but you could teach a bot 'suspicious' content in COI terms in the same way ('we are the best in ..' should be flagged). So I'd consider an edit filter-like system, not a reverting or tagging bot. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:40, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
super helpful. do you think that project is likely to get picked up, and if so would you be interested in getting involved? I will be mostly useless as I understanding nothing of the technical aspects here. but i am happy to learn and do whatever i can bring... Jytdog (talk) 23:57, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I am certainly willing to help and give suggestions. I may not have time to actually create bots or edit filters (or whatever) for this. --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 06:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Gorgeous, thanks! Jytdog (talk) 13:13, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

COIBot/LiWa bots lag[edit]

Hi. Is it possible to restart all those bots? They ain't replying to any commands on IRC. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 14:24, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: - COIBot seems to have responded this morning to some commands (I saw an IRC-commanded revertlisting on XLinkBot), is it only the linkwatchers, XLinkBot? --Dirk Beetstra T C (en: U, T) 09:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi. Yesterday none of them were answering my commands (whoadded/whereadded). I'm not on IRC now so I can't test. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 16:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)