User talk:Vermont

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Welcome to my talk page! All messages are welcome, provided that they are civil and made in good faith. If you would rather converse privately, please email me at vermont@vtwp.org. Thank you.


Feedback from Estonia[edit]

@Vermont: Right now, this user has been only useful in this project. The Small Wiki Monitoring Team, on the other hand, has yet again shown its harmfulness and inability to use common sense. If you wanted to influence people to stop vandalism and make useful contributions, you could only block them on the wikis where they have done something harmful. Instead, you stop them from being useful - that's harassment, and harmful for Wikipedia. "A man should never be ashamed to own he has been in the wrong, which is but saying, in other words, that he is wiser today than he was yesterday." So, please stop. --Ehitaja (arutelu) 13. detsember 2019, kell 14:33 - You haven't answered yet.(EET)--Savonhelmi (talk) 00:33, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Savonhelmi, please give me a link to where this is posted, and I will respond to it. I seem to have missed it. Vermont (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Please check your e-mail.--Savonhelmi (talk) 00:38, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
vermont@vtwp.org Vermont (talk) 00:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Could you finally show examples of "cross-wiki vandalism" of Risto hot sir?--Savonhelmi (talk) 00:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC) - Savonhelmi has been one of the most active contributors recently as you should see, makes only useful edits. Risto hot sir's sin was that he dared to criticise some holy admins.--Savonhelmi (talk) 01:26, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes. Here are your actions thst constitute cross-wiki abuse: you were blocked on 5 projects, and created a second account to evade those blocks on those projects, as well as with IP's. After your accounts were locked for that, which is unmistakably cross-wiki abuse, you created more accounts to evade your blocks/lock and also used IPs to do the same. Considering that this has been going on for some time now, it has entered the level of long-term abuse. You have two choices: have every account you create blocked and have your IP ranges hardblocked, or to wait 6 months without editing and appeal your lock. At the moment, you are evading multiple locks and blocks in contravention to local policies and the Terms of Use, deliberatey disrupting projects. Even now you continue to edit on projects where your other accounts are blocked. You are actively engaging in cross-wiki abuse, and are a detriment to the Wikimedia movement. Vermont (talk) 01:28, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
And no, your "sin" isn't that you criticse admins, it's that you hold an extremely egocentric and self-centered view of the world and refuse to cooperate with anyone who doesn't put up with your mindset. You're impossible to work with and compromise with, and that resulted in your block on multiple large projects, supported by community and administrative consensus. Stop editing. Vermont (talk) 01:28, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Your attitude is very harmful to the project. Risto hot sir's other user name, Sipe-Mika, was well informed long ago. Savonhelmi hasn't expressed his opinions - what's wanted? Wikiproject has no strict rules, the common sense is important.--Savonhelmi (talk) 01:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Stop creating new accounts and there might be a chance at appeal. You are actively evading blocks on multiple projects. What, do you want to be rewarded for breaking policy on those projects with sockpuppets? No, you're going to get blocked, and your accounts will continue to be locked. Vermont (talk) 01:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
You "forgot" to tell that the account Sipe-Mika was created long ago and wasn't locked at the same time as Risto hot sir's. On those 5 projects Sipe-Mika only updated the user's pages. That isn't harmful in any way. It seems that you don't understand what's the project's aim: to make the sites better. Savonhelmi made over 2500 useful contributions in a short time at 248 projects. 6 months without editing means about 10 000 lost contributions. Are you going to write 'em? And please stop your personal attacks!--80.223.94.186 20:57, 12 January 2020 (UTC)- By the way: "In general, editors should not act as administrators in disputes in which they have been involved. This is because involved administrators may have, or may be seen as having, a conflict of interest in disputes they have been a party to or have strong feelings about."--80.223.94.186 21:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
My actions here have all been in my capacity as a global sysop and meta admin, from the beginning. Vermont (talk) 04:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
So, you blocked me for 3 days instead of answering. That's against the admins' rules. Every objective reader sees that I've made only useful or at least well-meaning contributions. The global block is absurd - for making 5 updates on my user's pages. Don't you trust that the local wikis are able to block if necessary? Why to punish the people at hundreds of wikis? Perhaps I should bring here examples of your hounding.--80.223.94.186 11:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
80.223.94.186 stop your whining. Your edits are problematic. Your account dodging is problematic. You don't wish to change your practices, so you get blocked, and that will continue. The stewards reviewed the request for a lock, and actioned it, so that is supported by an independent review. In short, you don't want to be blocked or locked, then amend your editing practices, what yo uare doing is not particularly helpful.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:40, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, local wikis can block. We did block you, and you made new accounts. That is crosswiki abuse. You are actively continuing to evade blocks on multiple projects while saying you are contributing constructively. If you want any chance at appeal, cease your block/lock evasion, wait about 6 months, and email the stewards for an appeal. Vermont (talk) 11:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I've emailed the stewards in August - no answer yet. The steward who blocked didn't examine the case - it came so quickly.--80.223.94.186 11:49, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

You have no idea what the steward did, or the conversations that took place. Whilst I resigned as a steward years ago, I still maintain advanced rights, and I fully support Vermont's actions, as I reviewed the history. Your edits and behaviour are quite extraordinary, and I support the advice given by Vermont. I would expect a different approach when you return, as if you just return to the same editing methodology the blocks will return, and most likely for years.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:55, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Examples of my problematic edits?--80.223.94.186 11:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Not playing.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
I will say if you commit not to add photos en masse and indiscriminately to large number of wikis, I think the global lock can be appealed successfully. I think you know what to do and we will not play with you.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:15, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
That is not accurate. Most of his blocks are over his refusal to work with people and narcissistic personality to the point of openly insulting administrators (even on projects where he doesn't know the language) who don't regard him as G-d's gift to the wiki. The images issue is less important than his apparent inability to contribute constructively in a cooperative environment, and his continued evasion of those local blocks. Vermont (talk) 12:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
I am aware of those, I am just giving one example. Obviously there are serious conduct issues to be examined too. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I fully accept not to add photos "en masse", 'though I've got hundreds of thanks around the world. I've made mistakes but have learned a lot.--80.223.94.186 12:26, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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You're the best 107.77.173.58 02:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello there, friendly neighborhood LTA. Vermont (talk) 02:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

About Simple Wikipedia block[edit]

I did nothing wrong. All I was asking was for ONE THING: for you to update the Super Bowl LIV article. That's all I was asking. I don't care if you know about the Super Bowl. I was asking that you would help me. I did made constructive edits before you blocked me. --LaurenCox600 (chat me!) 03:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you did, thank you. However, you're also currently evading many locks, and are continually evading IRC bans. Unless you stop for a very long time (1 year+), I doubt there'd be any chance of a successful appeal. Vermont (talk) 03:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)