Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Russian
Russian Wikiversity
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Please help translate Beta page (English to Russian) at http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0#.D0.94.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.BA.D1.82.D0.B8.D0.B2.D1.8B
--Lenev 19:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC) Помогите с переводом http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0#.D0.94.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.BA.D1.82.D0.B8.D0.B2.D1.8B --Lenev 19:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Support
[edit]- Support --Lenev 17:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Support, of course. S.L. 18:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Support. --Zserghei 06:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Support for sure.Edward Chernenko 10:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)- Support --ShurShur 11:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Support Intresting Kneiphof 12:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Support -- Voevoda 23:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Support --Kojpiš Anton 12:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support --Kuban kazak 18:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support --Glyad 21:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Oppose
[edit]Oppose--Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti? 19:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)indefinitely blocked user —Pill δ 16:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 22:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose --Absar 16:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per this(ru). Wikiversity is just the same as Wikibooks, nothing new in this project, but just different names for the same things. There is NO NEED in duplicating Wikibooks under a new title. Edward Chernenko 07:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- I strongly Oppose to the creation of such a website, for any language. “Wikiversity” is nothing more than an attempt take an old idea (a wiki community for making didactic literature; see Wikibooks) and present it as a new beginning. Being a loyal supporter of the Wiki ideology and the sole curator of the Russian Wikibooks for several years, I can assert that Wikibooks’ goals and policies implicitly cohere with those of an open-content, free online educational institution. See also: the English Wikiversity’s mission statement; a Russian discussion and, last but not least, the origins of Wikiversity. To summarise: Wikiversity has no place, for it has been taken by Wikibooks: founding a website like this “Wikiversity” is like opening another Wikipedia (and calling it, say, “Wikiknowledge”) at the time when the first one is only developing. The only reason I see for such an irrational undertaking is a few individuals’ strive to be credited as “The People Who Started The First Open-Content University, Akin to Wikipedia”. Yeah right. Sorry, bu I can’t resist quoting the English Wikiversity’s creators:
“So, if you want to read about a topic, you may be better off visiting, say, Wikipedia or Wikibooks, but if you want to learn about this topic, you can do so at Wikiversity.”
- (If you think that this makes sense, I deem you an idiot.) Ramir 09:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Russians almost have no Wikibooks. The majority of articles in ruwiki are stubs and political not NPOV. What Wikiversity can be?
- So, why have you voted support for Ukrainian wikiversity? True, Russian wikibooks are undeveloped now, but still, it has much more content than Ukrainian wikibooks. True, there are also a lot of stubs on Russian wikipedia, but it is so much bigger than Ukrainian one, so the total quantity of good articles is bigger in Russian wiki. Considering POV, don't forget that the gross majority of uk wiki artcles comes from old encyclopedia, published by Ukrainian nationalists abrod, so they are everything but NPOV, but probably you don't notice it, because it is the same (Russophobic) POV you have... Kneiphof 19:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Не пойму к чему Вы упомянули украинскую википедию, но не забудте вспомнить, что большая часть статей на русской википедии с безнадежно устаревшей более чем столетней энциклопедии, еще часть болванки с никому не нужными мобильными телефонами и галактиками, залитые ботами, еще часть - эссе на свободную тему или гомоспам. Собственно, если отбросить весь этот мусор, то число хороших статей не так уж и велико и не намного больше чем в украинской. Кстати, уважаемый Kneiphof, если Вы настолько хорошо владее украинским языком, чтобы делать столь далеко идущие выводы о NPOV, добро пожаловать к нам будем вместе работать на улучшение статей. --Yakudza 00:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Может я был излишне резок, но я действительно не понял с чем был связан "наезд" на украинскую википедию. Yaroslav Zolotaryov не является ее автором и выражает здесь лишь свое личное мнение. --Yakudza 00:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- So, why have you voted support for Ukrainian wikiversity? True, Russian wikibooks are undeveloped now, but still, it has much more content than Ukrainian wikibooks. True, there are also a lot of stubs on Russian wikipedia, but it is so much bigger than Ukrainian one, so the total quantity of good articles is bigger in Russian wiki. Considering POV, don't forget that the gross majority of uk wiki artcles comes from old encyclopedia, published by Ukrainian nationalists abrod, so they are everything but NPOV, but probably you don't notice it, because it is the same (Russophobic) POV you have... Kneiphof 19:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Прежде всего приношу извинения, если я кого-то обидел. Я совесем не хотел ни на кого наезжать. Просто дело в том, что основным аргументом Ярослава против русского викиверситета была неразвитость русской Википедии. При этом за украинский викиверситет он проголосовал.
- Что бы объективно сравнить оба проекта я провёл небольшое исследование. Оно, разумеется. Не слишком академическое, но общее впечатление, думаю, даёт. Я сто раз нажал на кнопку “случайная статья” в русской википедии, и сто раз - Випадкова стаття в украинской. Далее, я выделил из выпавших статей стабы и полноценные статьи. В качестве критерия стаба я прежде всего брал не метку, а размер - примерно больше 5 кБ. В итоге у меня получиось следующее распределение стабов/полноценных статей: для русской – 68/32, для украинский – 74/26. Таким образом из 80 000 статей в русской википедии полноценными являются 25 600 статей (примерно 20 000 статей составляют статьи из Брокгауза, болванки о фильмах и галактиках и т. д., см здесь). Эти 20 000 я не учитывал при проведении статистического эксперимента) . В украинской Википедии из 28 500 полноценными являются 7410 статей.
- Такие вот подсчёты. При этом я отнюдь не хочу наехать на украинскую Википедию. Я считаю, что она уже достигла неплохих результатов, особенно если учесть, что сообщество её меньше, чем у русской Википедии, да и активное развитие проекта началось несколько позднее. Но в то же время нельзя не отметить, что русская википедия более развита. Впрочем, я не считаю, что уровня развития украинской Википедии недостаточно для открытия своего Викиверситета - как видите, я голосовал "за"Kneiphof 16:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- Может я тоже излишне резко высказал тут свое личное мнение, но по поводу содержания российской википедии вы, Якудза, совершенно правы. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 07:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's not true. In fact that is blatant disinformation in my opinion. Russian Wiki has now more than 100000 articles (Catching up wih Spanish!!!) and the overwhelming majority are of outstanding quality.--Lenev 23:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- The Russian Wikiversity can, and will be one of the best.--Lenev 23:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- That is my opinion about the articles. But really wikibooks are more usefull for wikiversity, and they are definitely very poor. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 00:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please stop your separatism. No reason for it, only your prejudgement --ShurShur 11:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Are you crazy? Even here you do not cease speak about your politics, showing that my words are true. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 12:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not crazy. You support Wikipedias on Ukrainian, Belorusian, Surzhik, Siberian and other languages, but you extremely oppose Russian. It isn't not a truth, it's your prejudgement to leading language of post-soviet countries. Only one reason for you: your offence to some Russian Wikipedians, who was not afraid to say you their opinion.
- Russian Wikipedia is biggest of all ex-USSR Wikipedias and Russia *must* be viewed as the first pretender to be a first ex-USSR Wikiversity. It is a fact, not opinion. --ShurShur 13:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Big, but stupid))) Ok, I am speaking about wikivercity and wikibooks, and you begin with political accusations in separatism etc., this is offtopic, aren't you crazy in politics? Let us stop offtopic speaking here. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 20:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Are you crazy? Even here you do not cease speak about your politics, showing that my words are true. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 12:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please stop your separatism. No reason for it, only your prejudgement --ShurShur 11:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- That is my opinion about the articles. But really wikibooks are more usefull for wikiversity, and they are definitely very poor. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 00:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Зачем русским Vikiversity, когда они вполне могут освоить украинский язык?
- Вот как раз для этого и пригодится. В этом Верситете они смогут организовать курсы по изучению украинского языка, . --Yakudza 00:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Да, действительно:-)
- Зачем русским Vikiversity, когда они вполне могут освоить украинский язык?
General comment: This is not a vote on whether the Russian Wikibooks or Wikipedia are successful - but rather to see if the creation of a Russian Wikiversity is warranted. The criteria for setting up a new language Wikiversity is ten active contributors - if Russian meets that criteria, it should be set up. Multingual coordination should continue on http://beta.wikiversity.org Cormaggio @ 19:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)