Wikimedia Forum

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Shortcut: WM:FORUM +/- Afrikaans: Die Wikimedia Forum is 'n sentrale plek vir vrae en besprekings aangaande die Wikimedia Stigting en sy projekte. (vir Metawiki besprekings, sien Meta:Babel.) العربية: منتدى ويكيميديا هو المكان المركزي للأسئلة و النقاش المتعلق بمؤسسة ويكيميديا و مشاريعها (للنقاش حول ميتاويكي ، انظر ميتا:بابل.) বাংলা: উইকিমিডিয়া ফোরাম একটি কেন্দ্রীয় স্থান যেখানে আপনি উইকিমিডিয়া ফাউন্ডেশন এবং এর প্রকল্পসমূহ সম্পর্কে প্রশ্ন এবং আলোচনা করতে পারেন। (মেটা উইকি সম্পর্কে আলোচনার জন্য, দেখুন Meta:Babel।) Brezhoneg: Wikimedia Forum zo anezhañ ul lec'h kreiz evit eskemm ha sevel goulennoù war diazezadur Wikimedia hag ar raktresoù stag outañ. (Evit kaozeal diwar-benn Meta wiki, gwelet Meta:Babel.) Català: El Wikimedia Forum és el lloc central per a preguntes i discussions sobre la fundació Wikimedia i els seus projectes. (Per a la discussió sobre Meta wiki, vegeu Meta:Babel.) Česky: Wikimedia Forum je stránka určená pro dotazy a diskusi o nadaci Wikimedia a jejích projektech. (Diskusi o Metě vizte na Meta:Babel.) 'Dansk: Wikimedia Forum er et centralt sted for spørgsmål og diskussioner om Wikimedia Foundation og dens projekter. (For diskussion omhandlende Meta, se Meta:Babel.) Deutsch: Das Wikimedia Forum ist eine zentrale Seite für Fragen und Diskussionen, die die Wikimedia Foundation und ihre Projekte betreffen. (Für Diskussionen über Metawiki, siehe Meta:Babel.) English: The Wikimedia Forum is a central place for questions and discussions about the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects. (For discussion about the Meta wiki, see Meta:Babel.) This is not the place to make technical queries regarding the MediaWiki software; please ask such questions at the MediaWiki support desk. Español: El Wikimedia Forum es un lugar central para las preguntas y las discusiones sobre la fundación de Wikimedia y sus proyectos. (Para la discusión sobre Meta wiki, ver Meta:Babel.) Eesti: Wikimedia Forum on Wikimedia Fondi puudutavate küsimuste esitamise ja arutelu koht. (Meta-Wiki arutelu on Meta:Babel lehel.) فارسی: متاپاب محل مرکزی برای سوالات و بحث‌های راجع به بنیاد ویکی‌مدیا و پروژه‌های آن است.برای بحث راجع به متاویکی لطفا ببنید.متا:بابل Suomi: Wikimedia Forum on keskeinen paikka Wikimediasäätiöön ja sen hankkeisiin liittyville kysymyksille ja keskusteluille. (Meta-Wikiin liittyvä keskustelu löytyy sivulta Meta:Babel.) Français: Le Wikimedia Forum est un endroit central pour des questions et des discussions sur la Wikimedia Foundation et ses projets. (Pour des discussions à propos du Metawiki, voir Meta:Babel). Frysk: It Wikimedia Forum is it sintrale plak foar fragen en diskusjes oer de Wikimedia Foundation en de projekten dêrfan. (Foar diskusjes oer de Metawiki sjoch Meta:Babel). Galego: O (Wikimedia Forum) é un lugar central para preguntas e conversas sobre a Fundación Wikimedia e os seus proxectos, parecido á Taberna dos proxectos galegos (para conversas sobre o Meta-Wiki, vexa Meta:Babel). עברית: פורום ויקימדיה הוא מקום מרכזי לשאלות ודיונים על קרן ויקימדיה והפרויקטים שלה. (לדיון על מטא־ויקי, ראו מטא:בבל.) Interlingua: Le Foro de Wikimedia es un loco central pro questiones e discussiones super le Fundation Wikimedia e su projectos. (Pro le discussiones super le Meta-wiki, vide Meta:Babel). Bahasa Indonesia: Wikimedia Forum adalah pusat untuk pertanyaan-pertanyaan dan diskusi mengenai Wikimedia Foundation dan proyek-proyeknya. (Untuk diskusi mengenai Meta wiki, lihat Meta:Babel.) Italiano: Il Wikimedia Forum è il principale luogo dove si pongono domande e si discute sulla Wikimedia Foundation e i suoi progetti. (Per le discussioni che riguardano Meta wiki, si prega di guardare la pagina Meta:Babel). Magyar: A Wikimedia Forum a Wikimedia Alapítványt és projektjeit érintő kérdések és megbeszélések központi helye. (A Meta-Wikiről szóló megbeszélésekhez lásd a Meta:Babel oldalt).) 日本語: ウィキメディア・フォーラム (Wikimedia Forum) はウィキメディア財団とそのプロジェクトについての質問と議論の中心となるページです。（メタ・ウィキについての議論はMeta:Babelをご覧ください。） ភាសាខ្មែរ: មេតាផាប់ (Wikimedia Forum) ជាកន្លែងសំរាប់សួរនិងពិភាក្សាអំពី មូលនិធិវិគីមេឌា និងគំរោងនានារបស់មូលនិធិនេះ។ (ចំពោះការពិភាក្សាទាក់ទងនឹងមេតាវិគី (Meta wiki) សូមមើល Meta:Babel។) 한국어: 위키미디어 포럼은 위키미디어 재단과 그 프로젝트에 대해 논의하는 곳입니다. (메타위키에 자체에 대한 논의는 바벨에서 해 주세요.) Ripoarisch: Dat Wikimedia Forum ess è Sigk öwwer'et Wikimädia on dämm sing Projäckcher ze klaafe. (Övver't Metawiki sällver kallt mer op Meta:Babel.) Lietuvių: Wikimedia Forum yra pagrindinė vieta klausimams ir diskusijoms apie Wikimedia Foundation ir jos projektus. (Apie Meta Wiki diskusijas žiūrėkite Meta:Babel.) Bahasa Melayu: Wikimedia Forum ini merupakan pusat pertanyaan dan perbincangan tentang Yayasan Wikimedia dan projek-projeknya. (Untuk perbincangan tentang Meta wiki, lihat Meta:Babel). Malti: Wikimedia Forum hu post ċentrali għal mistoqsijiet u diskussjonijiet fuq il-Fondazzjoni Wikimedia u l-proġetti tagħha. (Għal diskussjoni fuq il-Meta wiki, ara Meta:Babel.) Nederlands: Het Wikimedia Forum is een centrale plek voor vragen en discussies betreffende de Wikimedia Foundation en haar projecten. (voor discussies over de Metawiki, zie Meta:Babel.) ‪Norsk (bokmål)‬: Wikimedia Forum er et sentralt sted for spørsmål og diskusjoner om Wikimedia-stiftelsen og dens prosjekter. (For diskusjon om Meta, se Meta:Babel.) Polski: Wikimedia Forum jest miejscem na dyskusje i pytania dotyczące Fundacji Wikimedia i jej projektów. (Dyskusje na temat Meta wiki toczą się na Meta:Babel.) Português: A Wikimedia Forum é uma central para questões e discussões sobre a Fundação Wikimedia e seus projetos (para discussão sobre o Meta-Wiki, veja Meta:Babel). Русский: Wikimedia Forum — место для вопросов и централизованных обсуждений, касающихся фонда Викимедиа. (Обсуждения, связанные с Мета-вики, ведутся на странице Meta:Babel) Shqip: Wikimedia Forum është një qendër për pyetje dhe diskutime mbi Fondacionin Wikimedia dhe projektet e tij. (Për diskutim mbi Meta wiki, shihni Meta:Babel.) Slovenščina: Wikimedijin Forum je osrednji prostor za vprašanja in razprave o Fundaciji Wikimedija ter njenih projektih (za razpravo o Meti glej Meta:Babel.) Српски / Srpski: Wikimedia Forum је централно место за питања и дискусије о Викимедијиној фондацији и њеним пројектима. (За дискусије о Мета викију, погледајте Meta:Babel.) Svenska: Wikimedia Forum är en central plats för att diskutera och ställa frågor om Wikimedia Foundation och dess projekt. (För diskussioner om Meta wiki, se Meta:Babel.) ไทย: Wikimedia Forum เป็นศูนย์กลางสำหรับสอบถามและอภิปรายเกี่ยวกับมูลนิธิวิกิมีเดีย รวมไปถึงโครงการของมูลนิธิ (สำหรับการอภิปรายเกี่ยวกับเมต้าวิกิ ดู Meta:Babel) Tagalog: Ang Wikimedia Forum ay isang sentral na pook para sa mga tanong at usapan ukol sa Wikimedia Foundation at mga proyekto nito. (Para sa mga usapan ukol sa Meta-Wiki, silipin ang Meta:Babel) Türkçe: Wikimedia Forum Wikimedia Vakfı ve onun projeleri hakkındaki soru ve tartışmalar ile ilgili ana sayfadır. (Meta viki hakkındaki tartışmalar için Meta:Babel sayfasına bakınız.) Tiếng Việt: Wikimedia Forum là nơi tập trung những câu hỏi và thảo luận về Quỹ Wikimedia và những dự án của nó. (Để thảo luận về Meta wiki, mời xem Meta:Babel.) Volapük: El Wikimedia Forum binon top zänodik ad bespikön eli Wikimedia Foundation e dotis tefü on äsi tefü proyegs valik ona. (Pro bespiks tefü vüki it: Meta, dabinon pad: Meta:Babel.) 中文: Wikimedia Forum 是讓大家提出有關維基媒體基金會及其各項計劃的疑問和討論的地方。（而有關元維基本身的討論，請到Meta:Babel。） You can reply to a topic by clicking the '[edit]' link beside that section, or start a new discussion

This page experimentally allows language localisation.

[edit] Problem in printing the PDF created by the Wiki Creat Book feature

Hi, I created a PDF file from 7 pages of Wiki. But while taking printouts it showed a problem. The spaces between words is showing as a box in the printouts. Please let me know if there is any solution for this.

[edit] translation

hi, I don't know if this is the right place, I made a translation of the main page into my native language (venetian - veneto). I put it here: Pazina prinzipal. Can someone please link this page from the english main page? thank yu very much bye bye

[edit] Using wiki methods outside wiki

Hello everybody,

I try to create an external page (just a search field, like the wikipeda splash screen with the search field) before the main page of wiki is entered and don't get it to work properly. I want to use some skin methods (like text(), msg(), and other methods from the wiki library but I just got half of them working. I am not shure if I instantiate them at the right time or if I miss something.

For example if i do

$skin = $wgUser->getSkin();

$skin->tooltipAndAccesskey( 'search-go' ); // --- print the 'search' label for button

works all ok.

But a

$tpl = new UcbTemplate(); // --- init skin 'ucb'

$tpl->text('searchaction'); // --- empty string

returns nothing but an empty string.

My main problem is I am not sure if I initialized everything the right why. I just want to have that splash screen dynamic and try to get all the strings from the wiki definitons just to be dynamic, so the user is able to switch languages of the splash screen and I do not have to define all these strings in that splash screen (to prevent double work). So basically I try to find a way to use the skin methods (also the inherited ones like msg, text, etc

So the initialization part of my splash screen is just the ones that is used in the index php, calling

require_once( "$preIP/includes/WebStart.php" );

require_once( "$preIP/includes/Wiki.php" );

$mediaWiki = new MediaWiki();

If I print out the $skin object to see what in there nothing is initialized, I see not the skin name 'ucb' and all that. So I think my initialization process is wrong or I am missing something. I also googled for an hour but nothing similar turns out. And first of I thought building a seperated / additional start page for wiki would be simple just putting out some strings (defined in wiki) and making that search box, maybe to integrate and outout of the newest additions in wiki. This would be alo interesting if there is a class or method where I could put out newest wiki additions.

Can anybody give me a start point where to look or how to initialze wiki or in what order I have to do the initialization part to use wiki methods? I am new to wiki and try to find out how it works but that can't be done in one day also my time is a little limited at this time.

So any help or hints are greatly appreciated. Maybe there is somebody out there that did the same thing and can drop me some science on that.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Andreas W Wylach

[edit] WikiPorn.org did exist for a while twice as a succesful independent entity.

This project has become a reality not once but twice as a separate independent entity from Wikimedia and in both cases it has been deleted by outside sources. As in outside of the creator of the domain who both times had paid in full for the domain and server only to be nullified by the PTB even when the servers in question host adult content. Go figure that one out...

Anyhow at this point in time no Wiki containing adult material or subjects of any kind worth a damn exist anymore. That is a given. Much to the delight of of probably many here Oh well... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PunkMaister (talk • contribs) 21:40, 22. Mär. 2009.

[edit] Why is it on topics...

Why is it on topics where there is a potential for harm to the general public is there not a section that allows for common sense warning statements

I have noticed that there have been several topic pages that have had what seemed to be common sense warning statements posted that would have been good information for the general public to have in order to better protect themselves from potential harm either to themselves or those important to them.

Two examples are a common sense warning involving the potential dangers to a persons computer where P2P file sharing of any type is concerned on the "Lime Wire" page, and on an even more important level a common sense statement warning people to simply research deeper into the dangers involving the possible adverse health effects of the most common artificial sweeteners on multiple pages involving those products.

Both of these statements (which were removed in a very short time frame) were listed in the areas of the articles involving criticisms or known problems of these specific items.

It would almost seem that any article involving a potential hazard where a profit is being made by someone is being very tightly "policed" by those with a vested interest in keeping knowledge of the potential harm to the public under wraps.

I would hope that a project that puts itself out there as something intended to bring all possible knowledge into the public light for the betterment of the common man (as described by your founder in a TV spot on the "USA" Network) would zealously protect the right of the public to know all sides and would not allow information that could prevent harm to be suppressed.

If I may make a suggestion - simply put a link to a subpage or a discussion board where such public safety minded warnings/statements could be posted without the threat of being removed by someone with an agenda involving keeping information out of the public view (for example a chemical company not wanting the public to know where to look for data challenging it's own PR statements about a highly profitable product) - with a disclaimer that the statements posted are not a part of the official article but are posted responses to the article involved and that the person viewing the sub page/discussion board should use the information contained therein as a potential starting point for further research of their own.

As a matter of fact I challenge you to take this bold step in the spirit of what Wikipedia has claimed itself to be.

Thanks

[edit] Opt-in global sysops

Hello. Comments are welcome on the draft policy for opt-in global sysops. Please don't comment about implementation, which is entirely up to the local wikis who choose to enable them. Rather, is the policy wording adequate? Are there situations it doesn't cover, or sentences that are too vague? Do you have suggestions?

Global sysops will be live (only on wikis that decide to enable them) once the first wiki enables them. —Pathoschild 22:24:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Skinning Issues

I've been looking to install the skin found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles

The one called "Black Background w/ banner, similar to game forums"

I followed the instructions, placing the CSS file in myskin, renaming to main.css, changing the localsettings, however it just wouldn't work. When I manually change my skin to the "myskin" one it doesn't have any formatting at all! I'm probably doing something very simple wrong but any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

[edit] Problem using templates

I recently set up my own wiki using MediaWiki software for a facebook group I am a member of. AANR I am attempting to copy templates from Wikipedia in order to boost the functionality of my wiki, but I am encountering numerous problems that I have so far been unable to solve.

The most apparent one to me at the moment involves receiving an error message of "Template loop detected." I understand what this is, but not why or what I can do to fix it. Example page: Template:!. I've been browsing for answers for hours and am just completely burnt out.

I already have the ParserFunctions extension installed if that makes any difference.

Any help at all would be most appreciated.

Thanks! Adam Christ

[edit] Wiki table cell padding

Has anyone ever run into a situation where a table's cellpadding attribute is being ignored? All the other table attribute commands are working.

Here is my code:

Correction - it looks perfect on this page. What settings in my workplace's environment could be causing the cellpadding feature to be disabled?

[edit] lmo.wiki

Ciao Nick, senti... io di questo qui mi sto un po' stufando... credo sia ora di prendere provvedimenti. Ti linko la pagina in questione: Requests for comments/Lombard wikipedia, urgent desysoping and unblock requests. Ciao, --Fabexplosive The archive man 09:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Già... cmq non vedo l'ora di cacciarli... :-) --Fabexplosive The archive man 12:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

}} (non vedo l'ora di cacciarli = I want to throw them out as soon as possible).
And Nick1915 replyed ([1]), to a recruiter that was elected admin after only 3 edit, as analyzed here [2]:

==Lmo== Ignorali... stanno parlando tra di loro! Solo l'ennesima trollata, niente di ché! :)--Nick1915 - ^{all you want} 23:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Please note that the previous thread was archived by unilateral decision od a user, User:OhanaUnited. More, I'm very unhappy, but I cant discuss on the LMO wiki, because Fabexplosive blocked me 2 or 3 times (only because I analyzed his recruiting action), as reported in this RFC [3].

--Yattagat 10:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Some news from LMO

As already written, I can't discuss anything on the LMO wiki, because I was blocked only because I detailed the recruiting and meatpuppeting action of some admin. Fortunately, some weeks ago, the recruiter Bramfab (alias Barbapedana) and the "temporary" (18 months!) admin Snowolf loose the adminship, as inactive admins. The recruiter Snowdog, past vice president of Italian wikimedia Association, continues to keep the admin rights. --Yattagat 19:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] About License Update

I'm a sysop @ zhwiki and currently I'm dealing with the License Update. I have a question that, in the Terms of Use it said that when reusing the text, re-users should check the footnotes or the history. But I can't find any guideline that tell the editors how to place a notice in summary, or how to change the footer when needed. Can anyone tell me that if I want to add some CC-BY-SA only text to Wikipedia, what should I do? Thanks a lot.--Jimmy xu wrk 13:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

According Licensing update/Implementation, “There is no need for local administrators to take the update into their own hands, and such updates will be overridden by the official update process.”. --Dereckson 18:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] All wiki search engine

I do not know if this is the right place for this, but has it ever been proposed that an all wiki search engine be created? I think it would be a great idea. It could be put in the www.wikipedia.org site, so that people can search for an article and get results in all wikis. This is a service I have always wanted and never found. All search engines that I have found are biased towards some language, even international versions of google and the like (for example http://www.google.com/intl/ia/). I also think it would be symbolic of the linkage of all wikis. --3M 03:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dropdown box with predefined and selectable items.

I am trying to add a dropdown box with a number of selectable entries to a template page.

The help and documentation doesn't mention dropdown boxes.

Can anyone help me out ?

Thanks in advance

[edit] Creating new pages from Templates

I have set a number of Template pages and using {{subst:Template Name}} I am able to create new pages from my templates.

Is it possible to create a page which will allow Users to create new pages from pre-defined templates.

I was hoping that it would be possible to get the template names to appear in a dropdown. Users could select a template name and then hit a new page button thus creating a page from a template without using {{subst:Template Name}}.

Does anyone know if this is possible ?

Thanks in advance.

See mw:Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text. --- Kind regards, Melancholie 02:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cologne blue skin and logout button

I have been using the skin for 5 years, now the right upper "LOG OUT" link does not work (it is not a link?) in any Wikipedia (tried et.wiki, en.wiki, meta.wiki). It does not depend on the browser (tried Firefox, Opera). The source shows <! -- ERROR --> and no link. It stopped working during last few weeks. Fortunately, the link is doubled on the left side, but it is quite inconvenient to find it. I did not put it to Bugzilla, because the out-commented "error" shows that someone is probably dealing with the problem. But I was searching through Bugzilla and didn't find anything. Any ideas what to do? --Jaan513 17:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GFDL 1.2-only images

While English Wikipedia has deprecated the files under GFDL 1.2-only permission, there are many projects (Commons and others) which still allow such files to be uploaded. The easiest way to handle these files is to encourage the uploader to switch the permission on his/her own image(s) from GFDL 1.2-only to GFDL 1.3/CC-BY-SA 3.0 (or both).

Please help us by going to Licensing update/Project Transitions and flag any projects that still have GFDL 1.2-only files. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Permission (temporary status)

Hello. I'm here to know where can i make a Request for Permission (Temporary for Wikinews's Editors). Thanks! Vitorbraziledit ^msg 03:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

It depends which Wikinews. If they already have active bureaucrats, you should ask over on the project itself. If it does not, you could try asking on SR/P. Majorly talk 11:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

See also this discussion and steward's comment. – Innv | d | s: 11:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] IP address for ru.wiki only?

(Copied from w:en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical))

The owner of an ISP in Belarus sent an e-mail to OTRS asking for technical help. Although he charges a per-use fee to his subscribers, he wants to give traffic to ru.wikipedia.org for free. He tried to add the IP to his "free traffic list", but he found that all languages of Wikipedia are aliases for a single IP. He wants to know if there is a way to grant subscribers free access to ru.wikipedia.org only. (For OTRS users, this is ticket #2009062210015755.) Does anyone here know of a solution? Quadell 15:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Filter by domain not IP?  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 15:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks like an OTRS volunteer wrote the guy back, essentially saying "I don't know". If you wanted to contact the user, it would be helpful. Quadell 13:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Opting out of the licensing update

Hi everyone, Commons has now implemented a way to allow creators to opt their works out of the current licensing update. I think that such an idea runs against the foundation's intention and I could not find any mention of an opt-out policy on Licensing update/Implementation. Is such an opt-out procedure allowed? Regards, --ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 11:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

If you could provide a link to where this is or was discussed on Commons I am sure it would be appreciated. Adambro 13:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

A lot of the discussion can be found here. See also this discussion of proposed licensing tag template changes. Kaldari 18:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

This is quite simple. We should not accept content only licensed under the GFDL. Where content is eligible for re-licensing it should be and if a contributor is unhappy with that then their content should be deleted. It may sound harsh but the reality is that the GFDL is a joke in terms of usability, we should only accept content where contributors are prepared to accept the spirit of free licensing, not just have a nodding acquaintance with the concept. Sure, we'd potentially loose a good deal of quality content by alienating some contributors but it would be a price worth paying in my view to maintain the spirit of the WMF projects. Far too many contributors are using the GFDL as a back-door into Wikipedia and the opportunities it offers to showcase their work. GFDL only should not be acceptable. We're not simply trying to create high profile websites like Wikipedia, we're supposed to be trying to create content which people can actually reuse. Adambro 14:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you should post this to the relevant discussion on Commons, this thread here is not about whether or not the GFDL is a sufficiently free license. I'd be happy if someone could answer my initial question: Is opting-out of the licensing update allowed by the foundation? If not, I think it's legally invalid. Regards, --ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 01:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Error while accessing wikipedia URL

Hi all,

  In our project, each one of us used to have access to our wikipedia(customized only in logos and extensions allowed).Recently, one of our project member lost access to it. The eror message that he got is as follows.

Notice:Undefined index:standarf in D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes\skin.php on line 116.

Warning:Skin::require_once(D:\sites\Wikipedia\skins\.php)[function Skin-require-once] failed to open stream. No such file or directory in D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes\skin.php Fatal error: Skin::require_once()[function require]:Failed opening required 'D:\sites\Wikipedia\skins\.php' (include_path=D:\sites\Wikipedia;D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes;D:\sites\Wikipedia\languages;c:\php;c:\php\ext)in D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes\skin.php on line 122.

    Please help me to solve this issue.

I would really appreciate if someone could provide any inputs on this error.

Thanks in advance.

[edit] Two requests for chr.wiktionary

Hi, could anybody help with these two requests: Protection and Main page semi-protection & KᎠᎦᎵ, please? The chr.wiktionary admin, Cherokeekid, does not seem to have been around since the beginning of 2007 and it would be nice if those two issues could be solved. Thanks --83.38.110.109 23:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. Laaknor 07:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Laaknor --83.42.147.250 09:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC) (aka 83.38.110.109)

[edit] Starting a Foreign Language Wiktionary

Hello everyone. I'm trying to determine whether Wiktionary provides the appropriate tools to begin developing a wiki-style foreign language dictionary for the Syrian dialect of Arabic. It would be primarily Arabic->English, but it would be nice to specify English lemma to allow a search in the opposite direction. Furthermore, is it possible to have expressions that are linked to each of the lemmata in the expression? So that "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" could would show up under "bird", "hand", "bush"?

If it seems like Wiktionary would be the appropriate place to start such a project, how do I create a new Wiktionary? Is there a clear guide for developing entries as well?

Thanks!

[edit] Missing Wikipedia philosophy ?

IMHO, Conflicting Wikipedia philosophies lacks one argument which I see more and more on Articles for deletion. There is a meta-conflict between editors who want to take into account the existence (or lack) of interwikis to assess the notoriety/potential and development of an article and others who thinks wikipedias should develop indepently and that interwikis should not be taken into account. What do you think ? How would you call such positions ? --Ofol 09:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The Vlax Romani Wikipedia and its compromised admin

The only administrator on the Vlax Romani Wikipedia (http://rmy.wikipedia.org) is en:User:Desiphral. Desiphral has just been blocked from the English Wikipedia because he shared his account with people who edited Wikipedia for pay.

I quote him from the discussion before he was blocked:

"From what I discussed with them, the guys are determined to continue, but they will be more careful, this is their lifeline. You'll only end up as a police state or as an African National Park with thrilled hunters, paid editing is inevitable and, your biggest problem, it is not immoral."

This is considerably at odds with the mission of Wikimedia. If Desiphral wants to run his own Wiki where paid editing is allowed, this is fine, but he should not be running an entire Wikipedia that is supported by the Wikimedia Foundation.

Although this is not the usual process -- it's hard to start a discussion on a WP for another language about removing its only admin -- I really think we need to de-admin Desiphral. Here's my proposal:

1. Get a steward to remove Desiphral's admin bit from rmy:.
2. Find three trustworthy, active Wikipedians who are Vlax Romani speakers, either off of rmy: or on, and appoint them as the new admins for that project. (This is a bit hard: there is no "User rmy" category on English or Commons. I have not yet found a user besides Desiphral on rmy: who has made more than one or two edits and speaks the language.)
3. If that is not possible -- for example, if Desiphral appears to be the only active Wikipedian who can write in Vlax Romani -- then I would unfortunately have to suggest closing the project.

Thoughts?

Rspeer 17:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

An update: Ronline (rmy | en) might be a candidate. I might ask him about this later when I have more time. Rspeer 17:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I want to draw attention to the way I was indefinitely blocked at English Wikipedia, without any serious reasons, after a kind of a "public shaming" campaign. This coverage from this article captures well what happened there (please, no more conspiracy theories, I have no relation with them, I was just asked for an interview and I eagerly accepted, given the fact that no one bothers to see what happens to my account there):

We found the blocking reason really sarcastic, namely that "he indicated he permitted the use of his account for commercial purposes" (without showing where exactly was that indication, while we could not find anything of this kind in his replies). Even if it would have been true, this is not a punishable offense on Wikipedia... only you'll get intro trouble with those who do not like this. The accusers changed later the reason for blocking to "group account", because he permitted some years ago some people to learn how to edit, using his account. Obviously, a pretext, the same "first shoot, then ask" pattern, since the casual teaching of other people did not amount to what is understood at Wikipedia as a "group account", plus that the respective user was not active on Wikipedia for about a year and a half and at the time scale of Wikipedia such old issues are not considered when judging an user.

The suppressed user also told us that he was not announced by e-mail about the public shaming (he was not active on Wikipedia for long time and for such cases this would be the standard procedure), thus preventing him to present his position. He was not announced also about the following requests of somebody to block him in the Wikipedias in all languages and to close down the one he founded. The most ironic thing in all this affair is that those suspected editing on behalf of Tayzen are free to edit even at this moment (although they keep being hindered), while the one who was wrongly accused to associate with them was taken to the backyard and executed on the sly for sulking against the conduct of the purges. The language and the conduct of this episode suggests a combination of muting the dissent and a seizure of the opportunity by some people who have a problem with the respective user and/or with the Wikipedia he started.

Regarding the last phrase, "muting the dissent"... definitely, it is obvious I was blocked because I talked. There is a debate on English Wikipedia, where a part of the users expressed views close to mine, this must not be a reason for blocking a less visible opinion. The irony is that the real paid users do not even bother to talk about this, probably they have work to do or they already know that no one will listen to them. A normal approach would have been to reply me. "seizure of the opportunity by some people who have a problem with the respective user", yes, just check the previous issues I had with the user Psychonaut and the unjustified description of my activity on English Wikipedia. "and/or with the Wikipedia he started" - here I want to ask Rspeer what kind of judgment made him say that I am compromised (take a look at my edits, I have spent some % of my life editing on Wikipedia and I am not ashamed of what I've done, on the contrary) and that the Romani Wikipedia should be closed because of... what? (and a notice, I did not have the initiative to start Romani Wikipedia, it was Ronline, I became admin because I actually speak the language and I contributed decisively).

And finally, how comes that the users suspected doing paid editing are free to edit even at this moment, while me, because I started to talk there, I was swiftly blocked? Desiphral 08:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why Desiphral should be desysopped on rmy.wiki, he does not seem to do anything bad there, there are several users on several wikis who are blocked on other wikis and who are admins on others... Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið _(:> )=| 10:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Projects aren't deleted because contributors are blocked on the English Wikipedia. The blocking itself is pretty strange, in my opinion, and a result of the moral panic gripping some folks on en.wp at the mere thought of editors being paid to edit - as if, until now, no one had ever created articles on en.wp with a conflict of interest. Nathan ^T 14:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Planet Wikimedia/New language#Romanian / Română

I think there are sufficient users to create a separate planet for Romanian Wiki. It's time :D Cheers. --Gikü 21:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It does look that way. 6 users interested in maintaining one is a pretty good number. -- sj | help translate |+ 08:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] IRC troubles

Since they blocked the Mibbit tool, I have great problems to get access to any Freenode channel. http://webchat.freenode.net gives me 'the page cannot be found' a lot. Is anyone else experiencing similar difficulties? Regards, Guido den Broeder 21:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Importing data from other applications

Does anyone know whether there is currently way to import data (such as a table) from another program (ie: MS Word, Excel, etc) so that they can be inserted into a Wiki page without manually reformatting them???

[edit] NPOV policy and languages

Just a question: would prohibiting Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian language headers in the English wiktionary, and allowing only Serbo-Croatian headers instead, be compatible with the Wikimedia NPOV policy? (see wikt:Wiktionary:Beer Parlour#L2 header Serbo-Croatian instead of Croatian, Bosnian, etc. in order to understand the context). Note that I don't want to participate to a discussion here, it's only a question. Lmaltier 20:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Nobody? Lmaltier 17:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

There is a vote about prohibiting these headers and keeping only Serbo-Croatian headers instead. See wikt:Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2009-06/Unified Serbo-Croatian and wikt:Wiktionary Talk:Votes/pl-2009-06/Unified Serbo-Croatian. An answer from people understanding Wikimedia founding principles and from the Wikimedia foundation is needed more and more urgently. Thanks in advance. Lmaltier 05:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

If I don't ask this question at the right place, please, tell me. Lmaltier 11:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but a sensible decision is a sensible decision. If it is seen that Serbo-Croatian headers are the better/more convenient/simpler option, or whatever, exterior POV shouldn't come into it. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

To clarify my question: this issue is generally considered as a highly controversial, polemic, issue. Is a Wikimedia project allowed to take an official position in such very sensitive issues (which may be political, religious, linguistic... issues)? My question is about Wikimedia principles. Lmaltier 07:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)