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Hainanese Wikipedia

main page Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Hainanese)
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

Does not have its own ISO-639-3 code

Proposal summary
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Hainanese is a branch of the Min Nan group of Chinese spoken in the southern Chinese islands and province of Hainan. It is mutually unintelligible with other Min Nan dialects, such as Teochew and Hokkien–Taiwanese. Its pronunciation is very different from other languages in the whole world -It has the complete Clicks sound pronunciation system. So it's very valuable. But now, the Mandarian Chinese is attacking the Hainanese language culture. And it's a danger in Hainanese language culture. We must try to protect it.

Arguments in favour

  • Support Support It's a good idea, to spread Hainanese which is my motherlanguage! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 海島之夏 (talkcontribs) 06:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support I would support a romanized Hainanese Wikipedia. Hainanese is unintelligible with the Southern Min language. The Romanized Vernacular Bible in Hainanese known as Hainan Junjiahua was published as early as 1890. The writing system was locally known as Hái-nâm bǽh-oe (海南白話). Here is some sample text in Hainanese. --Jose77 06:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I think we can write Hainanese by Chinese character because Hainanese is a dialect of Chinese. We can use Traditional Chinese character to write the Hainanese. For example: 汝卟去処啲?(lu-beh-hu-dae-tih)means where are you going. We can try to find and write the orignal Chinese characters(本字) in Hainanese.
It's better than using Lantin I think. So I think It can use ISO 639-1 code for Hainanese Chinese character. Refer to Yue language(Cantonese粵語) and Wu(吳語)--海島之夏 09:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Both scripts can be used; Although it would be preferrable to write in the Latinized script since the uniqueness of the language could then be distinguished to non-Hainanese speakers. See here.
The Cantonese and Wu wikipedias were created before the implementation of the new Language proposal policy. The new policy requires that each new language proposal much have an existing ISO 693-3 Code. For example, it is "yue" for Cantonese and "wuu" for Wuu. Hainanese needs to obtain an ISO 693-3 Code before this request is to be approved. --Jose77 21:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
OIh thank you. I see...I agree with you!--海島之夏 02:04, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The Hainanese Test-Wikipedia has been created here. Currently, Hainanese and Teochew are both classified as 'dialects' of the Southern Min language. Therefore when creating new articles on the test-Wikipedias, both of them need to use the ISO code "nan" in the short term. Of course, when both Hainanese and Teochew are assigned their individual ISO codes, then they can be separated. At the moment, there is a request for the Southern Min language to be split into two more narrowly defined languages [1]. An application for Hainanese is also required. --Jose77 00:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Regarding ISO codes, they are not entirely necessary as there is no concrete rule regarding them. The Classical Chinese Wikipedia is known as "zh-classic" which is not ISO, so why can't this be rendered "zh-nan"? -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs 11:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I think other varieties of Min Nan should be separated, including Zhenan, Zhongsan, Longyan, and Leizhou Min. Not just Hokkien, Teochew, and Hainanese. Bloodmerchant 02:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Budelberger 03:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg).
  • Support Support Mr Tan 14:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support It is very different with other Minnans. A map. Luuva 13:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support Willy2000 13:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Jep 04:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support Use both POJ and Chinese character. (Just like Incubator:Template:Wp/vi-nom/NomHover) --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) 01:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support A rather different language which should not be excluded from having its own encyclopedia, which then opens the potential for expansion. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs 05:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support I support the creation of a Hainanese Wikipedia, but only in Han characters and Guangdong Romanization. Bloodmerchant 02:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • 'Support'suppoet--Ffaarr 02:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Arguments against

  • --Shizhao 02:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  • OpposeOppose,Strongly oppose,Hainanese is not an independent language.I have read some articles writen in Hainanhua,I can't find any difference between Hainanhua and Minnan Chinese.--冰热海风 14:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Other discussion

Obtaining a Hainanese ISO-639-3 language code

It has ISO 639-1 codes which is zh.

Sorry for my pool English~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 海島之夏 (talkcontribs) 06:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The ISO 639-1 codes are no longer applicable. You must use ISO 639-3 codes.
The current Language proposal policy states that: "If there is no valid ISO-639 code, you must obtain one". The current organisation which sets the ISO-639 codes is SIL International.
Hainanese currently does not have an ISO code and new language codes must be applied. I would suggest using "hnl" for the ISO code. If you prefer anpther three-letter code, then check here to make sure it has not been taken already.
Here are the two request forms which are required to be completed and submitted by email to iso639-3@sil.org:
Request form 1 (Change Request Form)
Request form 2 (New code request form). --Jose77 07:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Who got the idea that this language had click consonants? It is common knowledge in linguistics that there are no usual language outside Africa with them. Circeus 02:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The dialect code is nan04 - Wiki, Source. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) 11:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)