Talk:Wikinews and Blogs/Notes
Chat between Amgine & SJ: January 31, 2005[edit]
Notes from transcript for Amgine:
- Get/learn/use Skype - done (Amgine_Neilson - someone has my account name! bah!)
- Get address of cgi chat, add to drafted invites - done
- Revise agenda
- Write up Wikinews and Blogs
- Wikinews and Blogs
- Get Wikipedian bloggers to comment
- Wikinews and News
- Specific articles
- How Corp. news handled them
- How big bloggers handled them
- How wikinews handled them
- Compare - link density, # of opinions covered, variance of opinion linked to in sources, # of editors involved
- Invite editors/bloggers cited to the chat
- Specific articles
- Wikinews and Blogs
- Organize/discuss w/ de, fr, sv, nl, & es editors to have someone at the chat
Amgine <nod!> But I should be picking your brains about the chat! _sj_ please. Amgine What am I missing, and how can I get it! Amgine Are there any good aggregations of bloggers? _sj_ how large do you want this to be? Amgine I dunno. Last I asked Erik he just said "the more the merrier" Amgine But at the same time, he's the one who said "leading bloggers".... _sj_ and what does |draft| mean? Amgine It means I've already written that person's invitation. _sj_ ooh _sj_ individual invites? _sj_ :) _sj_ asking them to do specific things? _sj_ or is everyone just showing up? Amgine :) He said it would be better, but they're really just the boilerplate text Amgine Everyone is just showing up, as far as I know. Amgine Chatmag is setting up an IRC java, but that's abou tit. _sj_ what's that? Amgine I'd love for there to be an audio chat at the same time, but don't know how. _sj_ oh, I see now. Amgine Just an applet for people who don't have clients. _sj_ I have a little cgi that should work in some non-java browsers. _sj_ I'll add a link to that too. Amgine <nod> That would be nice. _sj_ It's not dangerous to give out the address, _sj_ since it's limited to the channels you let it connect to. _sj_ sound... _sj_ I've never done that either. _sj_ we don't have lots of sound-freaks on wp yet. Amgine Heh... I know... weird. Personally, I use Mac's iChat, and yes I have the camera. _sj_ ever used skype? _sj_ hey, ichat, cool Amgine No. Amgine I could learn to use Skype tomorrow... Amgine Do you have an ichat account Amgine ? _sj_ one mo _sj_ no _sj_ no mac either. _sj_ can I get one anyway? _sj_ I'm writing some geeks... Amgine <nod> You can get ichat for other platforms... Amgine It's basically AIM. _sj_ ah so. _sj_ okay, mail away _sj_ we'll see what they say Amgine <grin> Okay. Anything you can think of that I should have asked? _sj_ well, we need a better agenda. _sj_ there should be some pre-chat discussion. _sj_ people should be able to get things off their chest ahead of time, _sj_ and should have time to research their opinions and say things backed up by links Amgine Should this be written out, then? _sj_ esp. if we're going to have serious people showing up. Amgine There are a couple links there. _sj_ 1) wikinews and blogs _sj_ get some bloggers who are wikipedians to comment. _sj_ not just joi and me, either _sj_ 2) wikinews and news Amgine <nod> Good idea... Can I put a link to wikiwiki thing? _sj_ use some specific examples _sj_ sure :) _sj_ specific examples of articles, _sj_ how big media picked them up, _sj_ how big bloggers picked them up / cf technorati's opinion of popularity _sj_ and how wikinews picked up and provided npov overviews/summaries _sj_ compare : link density _sj_ # of different opinions covered _sj_ variance of opinions from across the spectrum linked-to in the refs section _sj_ (most blogs only link to agreeing or disagreeing articles, either for support or to ridicule/contradict) _sj_ # of editors involved in the articl3e. _sj_ make sure some of the active editors of one or two example articles show up for the chat _sj_ you might specially ask bloggers used as examples to show up, too. _sj_ I want to learn things I didn't know before about the news process _sj_ and I think the others will too... Amgine Heh... at the moment, it is scheduled to take place in our working channel - six different language wikinews use that. _sj_ how big bloggers really get their stories, how their process differs from the process used by the active wikinewsans _sj_ good. _sj_ we should pick examples that were reported by us in different langs Amgine <nod> I've invited journalists/bloggers from Brazil, Italy, Japan, and UK specifically. And I have invited all the major editors on all the wikinews. _sj_ hmmm, maybe I'll write a meta-retrospective of the webcred conference _sj_ we could compare that to jay rosen's meta-retro _sj_ (where he went out and asked people questions, doing original research that way) Amgine <humphs> Jay Rosen is quite dense to explicate. _sj_ and the typical meta-retros that just linked to a few non-meta retros by attendees _sj_ I was just thinking of mentioning that he did original research for his retro; whereas we are just linking to lots and lots of viewpoints. Amgine Okay, I also specifically invited some of the bloggers who were negative about the heavy journalist/academic balance of the webcred. Amgine Wikinews is also (occasionally) doing original reporting. Amgine Including original photojournalism. Amgine I'm going to copy this conversation to notes, if that's all right with you? _sj_ 'course Amgine <grin> _sj_ I know we are doing some original reporting. _sj_ but on the whole, that's not our bag yet. _sj_ and we should focus on what wikinews naturally does better than anyone else: _sj_ provide links out to ten or twenty different povs. Amgine Definitely. We need more infrastructure. _sj_ don't let people pin us down about original reporting, _sj_ since we don't do enough to know what it will look like yet _sj_ I'll think and add some big-media names to the list. Amgine <nod> We also don't want to get pinned down about bandwidth/hosting. Amgine At least one group has already brought that up with me... "can you host our podcasts?" _sj_ hmmmm, right. Amgine Which also brings up mailing lists. There are a few of them for bloggers. I am leary of broadcasting an invitation. What do you think? _sj_ since we don't have a good editing structure for sound/video yet, that's complicated. _sj_ I wouldn't broadcast like that. Amgine There has been an ongoing discussion of putting together an hourly-type short report. _sj_ bloggers will, you know, blog about it Amgine Both in video and sound. _sj_ hourly? _sj_ how long is the chat? Amgine The chat is set for two hours, from 2200-2400UTC Amgine Plus post-discussion _sj_ it would be nice to have an agenda _sj_ so people who don't have more than 20 minutes can drop in for what they care about _sj_ just a general "here's what we hope to address in each half hour" Amgine We can formalize the agenda Erik has written. _sj_ with no promises... _sj_ cool. Amgine And you suggest a pre-discussion? _sj_ yes, on-wiki Amgine Plus a few pages discussing issues, right? Amgine Oh, okay. _sj_ right. _sj_ get that conversation started _sj_ so people can say "here's my thought [link]" _sj_ instead of spamming the channel. Amgine <nod> Amgine http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews_and_Blogs _sj_ we'll probably have more people than #wikipedia for part of the chat; I hope it doesn't get too hard to hear signal. Amgine That should probably the base page, plus as many subpages as you think appropriate _sj_ I saw. _sj_ re: invites, do you want me to send them to people I know personally? _sj_ and how many international people do you want? _sj_ it would be hard to have non-english discussion, I'm afraid :( Amgine <nod> Yah, I will probably cover some of them, too. Amgine Me too. We can open a few extra channels too. Or add in the regular lnaguage channels. Amgine Like #de.wikinews. _sj_ hmm, that might work. _sj_ then there should be someone in charge of monitoring those chans and conveying what they're talking about _sj_ to the main channel _sj_ so one designated person for each of de and fr, maybe? Amgine I can try to organize that with the other wiki editors _sj_ ok. _sj_ else we should just stick with one chan _sj_ and let people post whatever lang they need Amgine <shrug> That' Amgine s what they do now. _sj_ with the understanding that people will use english unless they get really fed up. _sj_ I asked in the context of inviting bloggers _sj_ who don't write in english Amgine I would love to have other languages present, but this is likely to be a babble. Amgine So I focused on dual-language bloggers. _sj_ we only have three? Amgine No, there's about a dozen of them. Amgine Not all will attend, of course. _sj_ hehe, who suggested mary hodder? _sj_ she's a dear Amgine I did, actually... It seemed she was. _sj_ she ended up writing an article about the puzzle-hunt I was in a few weeks back _sj_ hmm, I'll find you many, many more int'l lists. _sj_ what do you think about sending out anothr 50 or so invites to bloggers outside the us/europe? Amgine Great idea. _sj_ I've been working on a bridgeblogging project this weekend Amgine bridgeblogging? _sj_ trying to identify people in each part of the world who are conveying what's going on in their part of the universe to everyone else _sj_ reporting on local culture, news, politics, travel... to people in other countries/cultures Amgine Where? _sj_ bridging, rather than just offering a window into, the local events _sj_ http://cyber.law.harvard.edu:8080/globalvoices/wiki/index.php/Ghana Amgine 8080 Amgine ? _sj_ :) Amgine Zephyr Teachout? _sj_ the one and only. _sj_ she knows a lot about blogs around the world... and knows a wicked number of languages. Amgine <nod> Amgine Hoder too... Amgine You have quite the cabal. Amgine Can you invite some of these as well?