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Related Peeragogy Educational grant proposal[edit]

Dear Wikipedia Educators: We're advancing an Individual Engagement Grant here. If this is something you and your students might like to be involved with, please add an endorsement. Comments or questions in advance of the September 30th deadline would be most welcome on the proposal's talk page. In particular, our project involves translation work which we hope might be interesting to students.

--Fabrizio Terzi (talk)

Upcoming IdeaLab Events: IEG Proposal Clinics[edit]

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Hello, Babylon! We've added Events to IdeaLab, and you're invited :)

Upcoming events focus on turning ideas into Individual Engagement Grant proposals before the March 31 deadline. Need help or have questions about IEG? Join us at a Hangout:

  • Thursday, 13 March 2014, 1600 UTC
  • Wednesday, 19 March 2014, 1700 UTC
  • Saturday, 29 March 2014, 1700 UTC

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According to a RFC in German Wikipedia each user and bot have to sign comments on talk or project pages, but the user de:Benutzer:Translation Notification Bot doesn't follow this rule. Could you fix this (adding --~~~~ to the messages of the bot)? Thank you! --Filzstift (talk) 09:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

As far as I know, the bot does sign messages. Can you formulate your request more precisely? --Nemo 20:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
@Nemo bis: I believe he means the bot is using a wrong format (the "--" are missing before the signature and there is no page where the signature links to). Vogone (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
It could probably be mostly fixed in MediaWiki:Translationnotifications-talkpage-body de translation, assuming that it everyone on dewiki translates to de, but it would be overkill IMHO. Th current message seems fine. Do "--" really matter that much? PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
The problem is, there is no link to the bot's user page (that's the main part of the RFC). --Filzstift (talk) 21:18, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


The current Centralnotice, MediaWiki:Centralnotice-template-Wikimania2014Final, already has plenty of translations which are ready for publishing. Why are they still not published? -- Yueman (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I wonder, too. No banners appeare eg. in Ukrainian lately, though we translated and proofread them. Should we every time jerk specific admin as edits on Babylon or RFH are not enough? -- Ата (talk) 07:05, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Replacing a translated page[edit]

I am currently working on completely replacing some pages in Grants:Evaluation in order to implement a redesign. Some of these pages have already been translated. Does anyone have recommendations for how to go about replacing an entire page? Do I simply delete all the translation tags and wait for fuzzybot to do its work? If there is a wiki page about this, that would be helpful as well - can't seem to find anything. Thanks so much! --EGalvez (WMF) (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

IIRC it works like this: When you remove (any number of) translation sections from a page, and mark it for translation, these sections will simply be removed from the Translate interface for that specific page. The existing translations are preserved; when you create new translation sections, they get numbers which are not yet used. --MF-W 22:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks MF-W! I may have answered my own question - I'm pretty sure I need to delete all the old translated pages using Special:PrefixIndex (For example, for Grants:Evaluation, I would delete only the pages above the /About pages). I did a test page in my sandbox, and the old version of the page is displayed when I click "español". Would this be a good approach? --EGalvez (WMF) (talk) 01:09, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
The old version was still displayed on the Spanish page because FuzzyBot didn't yet run over it. A subsequent edit to the original page now made that happen. I don't know the logic behind this delay, maybe User:Nemo bis knows. --MF-W 14:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so muchMF-W! This answers my question. --EGalvez (WMF) (talk) 18:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Mass migration tools approaching conclusion, feast now[edit]

It will be a tough ride to finish the project (if at all possible), but I highly recommend to use Special:PageMigration now: just today, with its help I managed to make almost a thousand edits and migrate several pages including some huge ones. Even in big pages it often works surprisingly well (almost nothing to do manually), while in others it fails spectacularly (but we have some ideas on how to fix it).

With only ten days of coding left, more than ever it's useful if you use the tool on at least one page and comment on the bugs to help us prioritise, or even better report new problems/ideas we've not identified yet. --Nemo 23:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

A fine example by MF-Warburg: [1]. --Nemo 08:46, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
It was a great pleasure to use this tool. Billinghurst suggested to convert the page to the Translate extension, so I finally had an opportunity to use this feature. After I understood that Special:PageMigration first wants the page to be already converted to the Translate extension, I found out about the existence of Special:PagePreparation and soon afterwards had 500 edits more \o/. This is really very helpful for converting old pages, I wish it had existed earlier. I will now file some bugs. --MF-W 18:42, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Translation tag mess up[edit]

I don't know what happened, but could someone explain (and/or fix) me the mess up with the translation tags happened on the following pages?

I don't get it. Thanks in advance, --Jcornelius (talk) 16:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jcornelius: Fixed all. See this diff. {{TNT}} should be used for translatable transcluded pages. --Glaisher (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@Glaisher: Thanks a lot, Glaisher. --Jcornelius (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry again (still learning and trying to understand those translation tools), what happened here? I did use the TNT tag. --Jcornelius (talk) 12:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Not sure why that happened but fixed it somehow after special:diff/9575005 (pretty sure that in CSS, things does not break just because there was a ; at the beginning). --Glaisher (talk) 18:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Translation memory slowdown[edit]

Because I see some people wondering about it: if you don't see suggestions from Translate's translation memory where you'd expect them, that's for a known bug which is being worked on by WMF sysadmins. In short, we've been too busy adding translatable pages and translations ;-) and the system became slower than expected. More updates will come in this area.[2] --Nemo 15:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC)