Requests for new languages/Wikinews Limburgish

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[edit] Limburgish Wikinews

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Proposal summary
Language details:
Limburgish (limburgs, lèmburgs, plat, li ISO-639 1)
Users interested in forming an editing community:
Add N beside users that are native speakers, and P beside the original proposers' names.
Ooswesthoesbes (NP) Tim (N), Bergman (N)
Relevant pages:
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Please also take a look at Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Limburgish, thank you!

  • Number of speakers:1,600,000
  • Location spoken:The Nederlands (Limburg), Belgium (in the province of Limburg and also in some villages in the northeast of the Walloon province of Liege), and adjacent parts of Germany
  • (almost) all edits

[edit] Arguments in favour

  • &Y  Support This project was created on August 14 2007 and has recently recieved a new user. I think it has started to grow now and therefor I post this request. --OosWesThoesBes 08:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arguments against

  • &N  Oppose A project like this requires much more manpower than say a Wikipedia or a Wiktionary. The Dutch Wikinews already barely functions. This is something for the (very) distant future, only to be considered if Limburgish ever becomes a full-fledged cultivated languages, more so than Frisian is now. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 18:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
    Recently an editor came, so why too ambitious? First wait a month or two and than rejudge. I know it's hard to keep a Wikinews alive, but I trust Limburgish and all Limburgish speakers. There just needs to be a little bit advertising I think. --OosWesThoesBes 18:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • &N  Strongly Oppose Although saying the Dutch Wikinews bearly functions might be a bit overdoing it, Limburgish would not function at all. And before we even get there it is not a language, it is a dialect. (Red4tribe 04:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC))
    Please note that at this moment the Limburgish Wikinews is more active than the Dutch one... Who's a dialect now? :) --OosWesThoesBes 08:39, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
  • &N  Strongly Oppose As said, (a lot) more than one user needs to be active here. Hardly any edits occurred in 2008, and the Limburgish used is of a poor quality. Being more active than the Dutch Wikinews doesn't say anything about the activity here (it's not about the relative number of edits but about the absolute number!). - Pahles 08:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    Poor quality? The Limburgish Wikipedia definitively uses another writing system (or language) than we do. We use a spelling that points to the independence of Limburgish and not a spelling that tells everybody "this is a dialect, not a language". Unlike the Limburgish Wikipedia our users may choose how they want to write, in Veldeke or other spelling. This is nothing more than a pure revenge argument. --OosWesThoesBes 14:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    This has nothing to do with revenge (for what?). On the LI wiki user OosWesThoesBes again and again has spoken against the use of a standardized spelling, because he thinks or feels that it is not adequate. Using your own devised spelling doesn't do any good for Limburgish as a whole! - Pahles 15:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    Some corrections: About the use of the Veldeke standardisation. I've never said that it's my own spelling and it isn't. Euver "revenge": ich wös gei good waord te verzinne, zuuch ouch dien euverlègk óp li.wp. --OosWesThoesBes 16:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    Now pages are written in both orthographies, Veldeke and High Limburgish. For example: [1] and [2]. --OosWesThoesBes 11:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

  • You are working hard on the localisation of Limburgish.. but is it not a bit ambitious to want to start two new projects at the same time ? Thanks, GerardM 19:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
    No. I'm currently working on a few projects. 2 Lozi projects, 1 Zealandic and 5 Limburgish projects. I know there are many people who speak Limburgish and are willing to learn how to write and are willing to contribute to one of my projects. The reason why I've posted this request was the first real contributor besides me, so I think this will become a good project. When I've finished the localisation I can work harder on the test-projects. --OosWesThoesBes 06:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
    The localisation efforts of Limburgish by this user is of a very poor quality. Being active in as many projects as possible seems to be his hobby (as you can see he refers to his projects). Status seems to be his only drive! - Pahles 08:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    Then translate it yourself! --OosWesThoesBes 14:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    I do every now and then, but time is not on my side. I'm talking of poor quality because different translations made by user OosWesThoesBes contain different spelling of the same words again and again. If you want to translate do it consistently at least! - Pahles 15:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    Haj. From now on I'll use Remunjs, because it shows the 'sjl' just like AGL (zjwömme vs zwömme, sjlang vs slang). Everyone is free to put it into AGL at any time, your edits will always be useful, even if you make them over two years. --OosWesThoesBes 11:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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