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Closure of Incubator
Please move somewhere else if unappropiated, I didn't know where else to go. Some user created this: [1] . I don't know if he did it too, but the Incubator Wikipedia test pages are blocked. See for example : [2] Reads this:
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This wiki is closed; see m:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Wikimedia Incubator.
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How can a wiki be blocked if not proper discussion has been held? And it's the second time this month. Please help the Incubator community.--Fluence 20:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Nevermind; solved. Please remove these comments as needed.--Fluence 20:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Redesign
What about a little redesign? For example I would move the "Meta in many languages" box just to the bottom... We did so on Strategy wiki and no one complained... This is so yesterday, language detection thrugh browser or something automatical would be much more useful.--Kozuch 00:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- We're glad of being a multilingual wiki: I think that it's better to show it prominently. --Nemo 12:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikimedia Canada
I am interested in starting a Canadian Chapter of Wikimedia. Is there anyone else interested? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hello Jmh649. See Wikimedia Canada for work being done to set up a Canadian chapter, and the Wikimedia Canada mailing list for occasional discussion. —Pathoschild 05:41:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Redesign and being inclusive
Some designwork would be nice. We might also more actively include and highlight work on other useful wikis, from chapters sites out to cousin sites such as wikieducator and wikitravel.
There are a growing number of projects in line with our work, that we actively coordinate or collaborate with, that aren't Wikimedia projects -- as in the first years of the project when most people who showed up had come from a relatd site elsewhere. A renewed focus on things like interlinks and welcome pages for members of other communities arriving here for the first time might be appropriate.
What about encouraging the use of this wiki for meta-planning for other free knowledge / free culture projects? We're very good at wiki maintenance and moderation, whereas lots of co-aligned projects that need a place for meta-discussion (and even think to set up their own mediawiki instance for the purpose) are not. –SJ · talk | translate 19:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Re: the idea of meta-planning for other free knowledge / free culture projects, we do have the Free Culture Alliance NYC page hosted here.--Pharos 03:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Redesign submission
I began a subpage in my userspace to create a new version of the main page. It can be found here. I posted this on its corresponding talk page: it's largely taken from the code on this version of Strategywiki's Main Page and adjusted with meta's content, a slightly different color scheme, etc. Several people have posted comments and concerns on said talk page, and I've tried to accommodate the ideas posted there. I thought the next logical step would be to present it here. Killiondude 02:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- I do like the existing 'Notification/Goings-on section', and think that would be good to keep. Also, it would be nice if we could have a picture somewhere so everything isn't so dry, maybe something again from a recent real-life event.--Pharos 18:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I thought about carrying that over. However, the last 20 edits go back till May. It seems silly to display something that no one is willing to keep updated and organized well. If we want another content area (either from "real-life events", a "notifications" section, or something else), we could push the current floating box up to the right side of the intro text and put another (maybe larger?) floating box roughly where the current one is located now. Killiondude 18:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- It may not be very actively edited, but it does usually have information on things that are happening this month. And seriously, if we can't at least aim to keep something this basic up to date, what's the point of having meta at all?--Pharos 03:47, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think most people wonder that. This wiki is mostly where banned users can make noise or pages can be imported in order to sit and rot. --MZMcBride 05:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Be that as it may, I do support having another floating box for notifications, as a small strike against entropy and chaos.--Pharos 18:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think most people wonder that. This wiki is mostly where banned users can make noise or pages can be imported in order to sit and rot. --MZMcBride 05:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- It may not be very actively edited, but it does usually have information on things that are happening this month. And seriously, if we can't at least aim to keep something this basic up to date, what's the point of having meta at all?--Pharos 03:47, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm with Pharos here, the "Information thread" definitely should not be removed. Cbrown1023 talk 00:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I thought about carrying that over. However, the last 20 edits go back till May. It seems silly to display something that no one is willing to keep updated and organized well. If we want another content area (either from "real-life events", a "notifications" section, or something else), we could push the current floating box up to the right side of the intro text and put another (maybe larger?) floating box roughly where the current one is located now. Killiondude 18:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at the changes. I see that tswiki:Query_service has been removed, and it isn't in Meta:Requests and proposals neither (this page doesn't contain similar things); but it's really important (a database report can help/organize the work of dozens of user and thousands of edits on a project), and quite active. I agree with the removal of "utilities", but perhaps we should find a way to advertise categories a bit, now that we've removed Meta:Categories. There's a whole lot of pages and categories which are not represented at all in the main page. In particular, I wonder how many users know that there are language specific categories, and navigation of translated content is very difficult (at least we should check that they're visible in the respective main pages). --Nemo 10:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I killed a few links, mostly for balancing the page a bit. The Main Page doesn't need to be an index of every link on the site. The "Query service" is sort of used, but it's kind of a pain in the ass and a mess. I'd rather see a better system implemented at Meta than linking people to a separate wiki (the Toolserver wiki). I agree with your comments about emphasizing categories and other pages. --MZMcBride 16:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't say that it must be on the main page, but it should be possible to find it somewhere, and I don't know where to put it. --Nemo 18:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Community grants wiki?
This is mentioned in the intro, but I don't think such a thing actually exists, at least not yet (there may well be plans for something like this in the future, though).--Pharos 18:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- http://grants.wikimedia.org is long dead. That's all I know. --MZMcBride 18:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Main pages
Unless there are objections, I'm going to unprotect (and likely redirect a lot of) the main pages in other languages. They're outdated and there's absolutely no reason to have them fully protected from editing. --MZMcBride 06:57, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- Makes sense. The previous discussion about this is Talk:Main_Page/Archives/2008#Protection_of_all_language_Main_Pages. --Nemo 10:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- I totally agree here and didn't want them protected in the first place. Cbrown1023 talk 01:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- +1 Agreed, not totally sure they should have been in the first place. Jalexander 01:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Absolutely. The Vietnamese main page languished for years until a couple active Wikipedians finally asked for access. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 04:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. There is no need to protect main page version of other languages, unless persistent vandalism is going. — Tanvir • 17:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Why shouldn't we use a single main page and translated versions of it? Like they did in translatewiki or incubatorwiki. Then all main pages will be up-to-date. Some communities, who think they can frequently update the page, like French maybe, can opt-out this and use their own "localised homepage" instead of a "translated homepage". --Joseph48 21:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. I tried editing the Tagalog page to no avail just earlier today so I can update it to the current version. :( --Sky Harbor (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- I don't understand how what Joseph48 suggests is different from what we're currently doing, sorry: could you explain? I've unprotected all main pages. --Nemo 15:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. I tried editing the Tagalog page to no avail just earlier today so I can update it to the current version. :( --Sky Harbor (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Why shouldn't we use a single main page and translated versions of it? Like they did in translatewiki or incubatorwiki. Then all main pages will be up-to-date. Some communities, who think they can frequently update the page, like French maybe, can opt-out this and use their own "localised homepage" instead of a "translated homepage". --Joseph48 21:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Currently we have independent pages for every language. What i suggest is; we'll only have a big template for translated homepages. We'll only translate words or sentences like "projects", "complete list", etc. We'll not use any formatting or styles. You can check this page to see what i mean. --Joseph48 18:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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- I see. I'm not sure: first of all, who updates the pages? A similar system is used on foundationwiki, but translations (made on Meta by translators) are implemented by few skilled users who know templates etc. Moreover, the layout of the main pages is not updated so frequently; some languages may prefer not to translate some parts but still have their main page, and the untranslated parts should be removed; finally, several main pages are customized, although just a little, and this makes sense, because if you know English you can just use the English main page to find all English pages, but if you don't know English you want a place (the localized main page) where to find all relevant pages and information in your language. --Nemo 22:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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mobile Wikipedia
I'm here from Simple (unification made this one, not me) to ask a favor. Could you guys please support [3] please? There's a request on our main page and I volunteered to ask here. Some mobile users need it. Because it's not supported, they cannot use the simple.m and so they must use the main Simple. That slows their phones. As well as computers under Tor. On Simple I have been making very good edits lately and I wanted to help people. You wouldn't just be helping me. You'd be helping people all over the world. That's why Simple was made, right? So that people could read things in English and have it Simplified for them, so it's not hard. I also kind of unified from En and Simple. I don't use my Simple unified one. It's IanP. Here's a link. [4] No, don't block me. I made the Simple one by accident by visiting this one while I was signed in on Simple. I'll be watching this page for any replies. Ian.bjorn 20:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
In the sidemenu the Translations link is not capitalized, as well as the Community drop-down menu button, planet and the Beyond the Web drop down menu. Is this intentional? Kolrok | Msgs © 10:14, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Translations should probably, as well as planet - for beyond the web/community it depends, when I look at it on monobook (my choice of skin), it is *not* capitalised, but if I look at en wiki or commons on monobook, it isn't capitalised whilst it *is* on vector. Therefore, should probably be fixed for the vector skin. The Helpful One 16:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Although it seems like User:Cbrown1023 removed capitalisation of the "beyond the web" back in February 2008 - so more than 3 years ago to the date, not sure as to why. The Helpful One 16:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Whilst I was looking through the history, I noticed it was customary to update the ** Wikimania 2010|Wikimania-text for each year. Barras removed the 2010 link at the end of the year, presumably as the 2011 page hadn't been created yet. However, now that Wikimania 2011 exists, can an admin update that accordingly too? :) The Helpful One 16:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Although it seems like User:Cbrown1023 removed capitalisation of the "beyond the web" back in February 2008 - so more than 3 years ago to the date, not sure as to why. The Helpful One 16:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
World Heritage addition
I think the World Heritage addition is fine, but the fake play button really ought not be there. That's a mean trick on the user. --MZMcBride 04:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
- Copied from tenwiki: - if only Wikimedia wikis had decent video support. ℳono 18:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Full protect the main page
Main Page is semi-protected. Anything would you full protect the main page, including other languages of main page? This will prevent autoconfirmed users to vandalise them. --Kungfu2187 01:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- We don't get much vandalism on there. I'd rather we keep things open unless there's a pressing need to close them. Cbrown1023 talk 20:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- Finally, someone who gets it. CompuHacker 23:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- No one did some vandalism before so they deiced it to semi-protect it. -- Mohamed Aden Ighe 03:24, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- Must be better than normal as of now.Mohamed Aden Ighe 00:23, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- No one did some vandalism before so they deiced it to semi-protect it. -- Mohamed Aden Ighe 03:24, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- Finally, someone who gets it. CompuHacker 23:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Committees and subommittees
I think both should be included on the main page as they are an important aspect of wikimedia projects as a whole. -- とある白い猫 chi? 20:30, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Templates
I propose a templated structure for the main page where the words seen by the user are parameters, this way translating the main page and keeping it up to date would be less of a daunting task while maintaining the same style. Any thoughts? Unless there is serious opposition I will create the template as a subpage (without changing the main page in any shape or form) -- とある白い猫 chi? 20:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Old style: Afrikaans (af) Ænglisc (ang) Boarisch (bar) بلوچی مکرانی (bcc) བོད་ཡིག (bo) Brezhoneg (br) Català (ca) Cymraeg (cy) Ελληνικά (el) Euskara (eu) Estremeñu (ext) Føroyskt (fo) Gaeilge (ga) Hrvatski (hr) Magyar (hu) Interlingua (ia) Bahasa Indonesia (id) Igbo (ig) Ido (io) Basa Jawa (jv) ភាសាខ្មែរ (km) ಕನ್ನಡ (kn) Кыргызча (ky) 文言 (lzh) Македонски (mk) मराठी (mr) Bahasa Melayu (ms) مازِرونی (mzn) Bân-lâm-gú (nan) नेपाली (ne) Norsk (nynorsk) (nn) Occitan (oc) پښتو (ps) Runa Simi (qu) Română (ro) سنڌي (sd) sou (sou) Shqip (sq) Basa Sunda (su) తెలుగు (te) Тоҷикӣ (tg) tgl (tgl) ไทย (th) Tagalog (tl) اردو (ur) Vèneto (vec) 吴语 (wuu) Yorùbá (yo) Skandinavisk (Skanwiki) Slovio (Slavopedia) +/-
- I went ahead and created three new main pages using the template structure and got them translated with the help of others. The structure is as following:
- -- とある白い猫 chi? 01:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- The template thing isn't a bad idea. But the actual main page doesn't use subpages for different languages. See Commons:Portada, for instance. Killiondude 03:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- With the template structure it will :) It will link to the Spanish main page of commons and etc. The most "complete" one currently is the nl version. You can see how it links to the dutch main page on commons. -- とある白い猫 chi? 04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- I do not agree with moving main page titles on meta. My example was to how commons does it. On meta, currently the french use Accueil. I don't think they should use Main Page/fr. Killiondude 04:26, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- It won't be moved. What for example will happen is Main Page/fr be moved to Accueil. The /fr would remain a redirect. It is temporarily there until it is ready. The very idea of this entire thing is to make meta less English-only club. It currently isn't as non-English pages quickly get outdated and become irrelevant.
- I however did notice a disambiguation problem particularly with Portada so ISO codes may work better (somehow) but this is beyond the scope of the current proposal.
- -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- I do not agree with moving main page titles on meta. My example was to how commons does it. On meta, currently the french use Accueil. I don't think they should use Main Page/fr. Killiondude 04:26, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- With the template structure it will :) It will link to the Spanish main page of commons and etc. The most "complete" one currently is the nl version. You can see how it links to the dutch main page on commons. -- とある白い猫 chi? 04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- The template thing isn't a bad idea. But the actual main page doesn't use subpages for different languages. See Commons:Portada, for instance. Killiondude 03:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Actually I find it hard to believe that all this will make translation easier: at least for me the main page is now a lot harder to update and fix; I liked it so much that it was so simple to edit compared to other projects' main pages... And I don't see how translations are actually being managed. As an effect, I see that for instance the Italian main pages is already less up to date than it would be with the previous system (no October news), effectively forcing Italian language users to use the English main page or interface. --Nemo 10:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
- At least it isn't outdated by several years like other language editions. How is the main page a lot harder to update? You click one edit link to edit individual sections without having any kind of requirement to understand complicated wiki markup or wiki/html tables. If you add a new item to the main page (Template:Main Page/Code) it would show up on every language edition (once the transition is complete) showing people exactly what part is out dated.
- The news section is going to be dealt with later. It will display English if a localized translation does not exist. Italian translation of the news was recently made and before it was completely in English which forced readers to always refer to it in English provided they understand English. Also recurring events like steward elections will not require two translations per year as it will be handled automatically. You are welcome to join the translation efforts.
- -- とある白い猫 chi? 16:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Redesign of news
ar2012 فبراير
2012 يناير
2011 ديسمبر
للمزيد من الأخبار والمعلومات انظر أخبار ويكيميديا و الأحداث الجارية.
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fiHelmikuu 2012
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Lisätietoja löytyy Wikimedian uutisista ja tiedotteista.
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Per maggiori notizie ed informazioni guarda Wikimedia News e Goings-on.
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Daha fazla haber ve bilgi için Wikimedia Haberleri ve Olup Bitenler sayfalarına bakınız.
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ukЛютий 2012
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Інші новини та інформацію можна знайти на сторінках Wikimedia News та Goings-on.
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viTháng 2 2012
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I have redesigned the news part for your consumption. Above are 12 languages to demonstrate. The borders are there for demonstration purposes only. Only one will show up per language. The magic happens in {{Main Page/WM News}}. Comments before I implement it? -- とある白い猫 chi? 20:52, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Italian Wikipedia and Italian law
I noticed that the Italian Wikipedia has a template that finds an issue with an Italian law: it:Wikipedia:Comunicato_4_ottobre_2011/en
But aren't the primary servers in Florida (with an additional one in Amsterdam)? How can this affect the userbase of the Italian Wikipedia? Does the law apply even if the content is hosted overseas? WhisperToMe 14:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. See Wikimedia Forum/Italian Wikipedia. Nemo 20:26, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Wikimedia Main Hub
There should be one linking to all Wikimedia Projects.Pdiddyjr 19:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- Such exists: http://www.wikimedia.org. --Sky Harbor (talk) 10:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Propose full protection for main page
I would like to propose that we up the protection for the main page from edit=autoconfirmed to edit=sysop. For a lead entry page, it really should be better protected, and while the COIBot should not be editing here, and we will look to the fix, it may just be safer to tighten the control anyway. billinghurst sDrewth 15:24, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- Totally agree. -Barras 15:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)